asciilifeform: ( rather than arbitrary 'chop' )

asciilifeform: more or less all prog langs give a clean way to multilineize strings

asciilifeform: a real Lisp world would be so much better. however, a real Lisp world cannot win as long as GUILE is the image people have of a Lisp environment, just like Lisp has suffered tremendously from the Scheme people's insistence that Scheme as taught to college students is what they should expect from Lisp.'

asciilifeform: inefficiency are bad for Lisp, which would have done it a lot better had it been in control, but GUILE doesn't do it any better. GUILE combines the worst of both worlds, in an attempt to bring the best of one world to a world where it doesn't really belong. on top of this, it's Scheme, and it's expensive to run, there's so much wrong with it that nobody can use it without fixing some part of it. so, it's going to be a winner, but

asciilifeform: and, to round off the archaeological dig, https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129467830883882@naggum.no.html >> 'the programming environment model in Unix is an imitation of the Lisp machine, and the way it is implemented is through processes and inter-process communication instead of function calls. functions in the Lisp heap are programs on disk in the Unix model. the optimizations that made Unix able to survive this incredible

asciilifeform: ( the latter discussion was about , approx, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678490 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129441516179845@naggum.no.html << relatedly. >> 'the problem with retrofitting a Lisp or Scheme onto Unix is that Unix really is a C programming environment, and using the C mindset when building Lisp or Scheme applications or systems on top of it loses. the same is true of any other programming language with an environment that takes the role of Unix for C.'

asciilifeform: >> '...when I look at Scheme programs that try to do more than trivial tasks, or at Scheme systems that try to give people a framework to work in, I get the "perl experience" -- heaps of ugly but useful hacks to get some short-term job done. seems to me that the flip side of the "only the most elegant are admitted" argument is that there is no lower bound on the ugliness of what is _not_ admitted, yet necessary to get there in pract

asciilifeform: why not stick to the ancestral 80col, folx?? ☟︎

asciilifeform: some of diana_coman's lines are even longer than 120col

asciilifeform: 'top 2 bits and bottom bit are ALWAYS 1!' << asciilifeform still doesn't get why to weld the next-to-highest ☟︎

asciilifeform: jpxe: see also trilema, e.g. http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123791 .

asciilifeform: ( this is almost possibly the first litmus for a n00b : will he read logs when told to ? show symptoms of actually having done so, and learne d? )

asciilifeform: start him with the obvious starting point ?

asciilifeform: ( luckily for the idjits, was cynical scam, no actual teeth involved )

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: happened. is in the logs.

asciilifeform: ReadErr: when you 'download proggy from shithub', it is exactly same act as if you could, in a restaurant, order '1 cubic litre from public dump' as a dish. complete with whatever happens to be scopped out, used condoms, syringes, rotten vegetables, dead rats

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/FrBep << in other noose re intel crapola , in re the snowjob in particular

asciilifeform: ( or rather, some finite sequence of these )

asciilifeform: ~all ffa ops can be reduced to 'add-with-possible-2scomplement' and 'shift'.

asciilifeform: ( likbez : all you need for the mythical holy grail, 'fast iron rsa', is a very large-bitnessed adder-cum-barrelshifter and a few storage registers that can be programmatically shuffled between. ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: essentially, 'yes we put srams in the fabric but they can't shift, fuckyou'

asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series ) ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: guile appears to fit this pattern

asciilifeform: phf: naggum had a perl rant , re how it typifies fungus-growth media by supplying young cocklets with inexhaustible fountain of trivial breakages to 'cleverly' work around

asciilifeform: itarianism, the perspectives that guide their actions may not favor justice in your organization. '

asciilifeform: 'My conclusion from the interaction is that, now more than ever, when it comes to future collaborators, in any context, it is important for anyone for whom justice matters to probe candidates deeply for fascist tendencies. If they show a sign, pass. Anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-queer, and anti-black behaviors and actions often correlate: if you see one sign, often there are more underneath. Even if the person claims to value egal

asciilifeform: 'the extent to which men's-rights-activist and racist talking points had made it into their discourse, and the way the individualist edifice of their world-view enabled their pre-fascist ideas'

asciilifeform: 'trying to get them closer to a justice-affirming perspective'

asciilifeform: why am i reading about e.g. '...ignorance about the lived experience of women compiler writers, say, can lead to hurtful behavior...' ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: esthlos: sanity, esp when it has a short-term cost, is not the default. your null hypothesis is broken. ☟︎

asciilifeform: phenotype is not unlike 'qbasic', in that http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-10#614261 ☝︎