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asciilifeform: ave1: abolishing the standard library would make it quite painless to port gnat to anything to which gcc already has a backend. but as it is, the existence of crappla gnat doesn't help us any, the abi is completely different
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'rockchip' turns out is a completely usable and clean gentoo station. can be used as workstation also, if not in a hurry. ( running 100% asciilifeform-recipe gentoo, albeit not musltronic; running also self-built kernel; no eggogs, hiccups, good disk access times. the 1 item not yet built with own hands: uboot init thing )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/duterte-receives-support-from-russia-and-china-as-usg-state-spurns-another-longtime-ally/ << Qntra - Duterte Receives Support From Russia And China As USG.STATE Spurns Another Longtime Ally
gabriel_laddel: wanted to know how ready-for-anything people are making electronics nowdays, seeing as I know literally nothing about hardware. ben_vulpes hola & idk, never soldered anything before so should be fun
asciilifeform: given as it doesn't expect to be fingered
gabriel_laddel: managed to kill a x220 circuit board by swapping the screen to another, identical while machine was running. is this the sort of thing to 'fry' circuitry, and as a general rule I suppose no life fire electronics around CPUs?
asciilifeform: from earlier $entomo-specimen, https://mindsarentmagic.org/2015/08/06/as-an-aside-something-should-be-done-about-drones << 'something should be done!111'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: sadly i'm too lazy to translate http://trilema.com/2010/familia-traditionala-versus-harem-studiu-comparativ/ ; but the comments are pretty riotous. sampler : "in closing, permit me to inform you that i've taken a shit into one of those cups you drink jeebus blood from, in some church somewhere, as well as washed my cock post-ejaculation in one of those water holders somewhere in some other church. but i'm not going to mention
asciilifeform: https://mindsarentmagic.org/2016/07/18/expressing-computable-ordinals-as-programs << stolen , with 0 attribution, from chaitin
asciilifeform: and wtf is to be 'recruited as unicorn'
mircea_popescu: recruited as a “unicorn” by a Neurologist at a hospital in town. She abandoned me and our middle child who has Autism. She took the youngest and oldest boy and they are considered now Mitch’s children. So, excuse me if I can’t be open minded enough to understand this. I don’t. It hurts incredibly bad and I don’t understand how a doctor, with a wife and six children, could steal my wife and try to take my children."
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 21:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793241 << i've been living for half a year now simply rejecting all websites what are https-only and implement idiotic "modern" ciphers. items such as github etc no longer load for me, and i tell you i don't particularly weep the demise of a bunch of retarded pantsuitsites.
trinque: from there, can consider *their* portage the "overlay", and can port things over as they come
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-05#1793241 << i've been living for half a year now simply rejecting all websites what are https-only and implement idiotic "modern" ciphers. items such as github etc no longer load for me, and i tell you i don't particularly weep the demise of a bunch of retarded pantsuitsites. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 18:59 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, trinque , ever looked into purging sslism from gentoo ? in particular the existence of /etc/ca-certificates.conf and its contents as a ~mandatory package, i find quite irritating
trinque: minor barfs such as douchebag's might just be the sound of purging, who knows til later
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the left is actually cognitively incapable of representing tmsr, from my measurements. about as safe as rats in cretacic.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 20:12 mircea_popescu: this is such a direct equivalent of yesterday's ballistic-gellatin wank it's starting to draw out a profile (for what i previously called the wikitard, but i guess lesswrong is just a particularily thick cloud of them) : asocial beta male that has managed to move the conceptual universe of cartoons into "real life" such as they live it.
mircea_popescu: then they believe (pretend to "think critically", but do no such thing, simply believe) rank nonsense like "global warming" because... THE MODEL!!! the model reminds them of the simplified characters in the manga they loved as children and the general deus-ex-machina atmosphere fits well with their only formative experiences.
mircea_popescu: this is such a direct equivalent of yesterday's ballistic-gellatin wank it's starting to draw out a profile (for what i previously called the wikitard, but i guess lesswrong is just a particularily thick cloud of them) : asocial beta male that has managed to move the conceptual universe of cartoons into "real life" such as they live it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, what, walk me throiugh this. let's use lesswrong codex as a basis. so : 1. you are in the hospital for "maybe wanting to kill yourself", after having made ill advised 1970s comments to 2010s paki diversity-"doctor" ; 2. "I remember working with a doctor who wanted to discharge his patient to some kind of outpatient drug rehab. The patient refused to go, so the doctor wouldn’t discharge her, and they were i
asciilifeform: for that matter, would also like to measure demand in l1/l2 for these, as a whole
a111: Logged on 2018-04-05 17:01 asciilifeform: ave1: we had just the other day a thread re 'gnat pro'. it's interesting, in principle, but i sure as fucking daylight ain't ever signing nonredistribution oaths for a compiler
asciilifeform: because somebody got dropped as a child, evidently
asciilifeform: i find busybox to be useful on ancient routers , pogo , & similar , but quite unusable as a unixutils substitute on actual workstation
trinque: "oh sorry, outside world moved while we held still. build is now broke as a joke."
asciilifeform: i.e. sslism is treated as 'special' and 'precious' evidently in >1 place
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, trinque , ever looked into purging sslism from gentoo ? in particular the existence of /etc/ca-certificates.conf and its contents as a ~mandatory package, i find quite irritating ☟︎
asciilifeform: not to mention lets any and all-comers hog sockets for as long as they can come up with fresh ip
asciilifeform: ave1: we had just the other day a thread re 'gnat pro'. it's interesting, in principle, but i sure as fucking daylight ain't ever signing nonredistribution oaths for a compiler ☟︎
lobbes: Archive PSA: Semi-automatic archiving has resumed via my "manual" pulling of the crank at irregular intervals as a temporary "stop gap" solution. Fully automatic archiving to resume once I plug my security holes and build a sane parser for urls
asciilifeform: ( to be fair, not as if there was or is any working alternative. but -- swamp. )
mircea_popescu: that';s the point, the support contract. can ask gingold and actually expect an answer, as opposed to hope for one.
asciilifeform: approx as useful as the x86 one lol
mircea_popescu: now, it may be useful as a stepping stone
mircea_popescu: douchebag as above : according to whom, "the terrorists" ?
mircea_popescu: try to leverage technology to convince the political power to give you some decidous leaves inscribed with flattering but ultimately hollow words such as "glory forever!" which will stick around for a season before turning to dust.
douchebag: same exact thing as what?
mircea_popescu: douchebag as things currently stand, if it's fiats and it's not in the billions you're wasting your time.
mircea_popescu: the ammounts of money involved in all this are so trivial as to not meet the bar for being called money.
douchebag: and I sure as fuck don't get paid to play video games
mircea_popescu: but as the elite increasingly opts out of supporting the "shiny happy faces of drooling imbeciles" modern of postmodern democracy, the thing will fall. it can't support itself, the only way it can live is for as long as you're willing to take $1k in lieu of "tell you what, I OWN tmobile now, you can all go home / hit the unemployment lines"
mircea_popescu: douchebag anyway, i'm not saying the options you're taking aren't on the table. they are. i am however saying that the table won't last ; which of course is about as interesting in the direct as telling a brontosaurus happily chewing on a fern that a meteoir's coming. "so... what does this mean ~TO ME~, should i switch to chewing palms ?"
mircea_popescu: so they "pay" you in the sense of giving you nothing as far as they concerned to get in exchange the very valuable (as far as they're concerned) option to continue exactly as before ?
asciilifeform: note, this beast has a video jack, could in principle be used as gentooistic workstation.
asciilifeform reports, however, that the archaetypical emerge -av --update --deep @world on chinesiumtron , to the tune of 117 various packages, took ~4hr. which is, lulzily, approx the same as on my workstations
mircea_popescu: incidentally, that "'navigating-and-or-avoiding-the-inpatient-mental-health-system" is about as fucking terrible as haskellists code.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in local news bulletin : took slut out shopping yest, bought her a mostly see through and very ass-flattering dress at a shop which identifies itself as : "Punt. San Jose, centro al frente de la puerta principal del Colegio de Senoritas."
lobbes: as it stood, my own bot's commands on the old directory weren't even represented accurately. plus the spec does specify each bot should have a "help" command listing all other commands
asciilifeform: as of 5min ago.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-04#1792811 << this is not something that can be "grasped" as such. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 23:48 lobbes: I agree this needs archiving (I'm currently working off their version of kritik der reinen vernunft as a german study aid). However, unlike kibo.com I would wager the entirety of gutenberg is much much larger. I'd prolly need moar storage than the ~200gb ssd on the dedicated home craptop I'm currently using (but maybe not) >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792648
trinque: parser implements a given grammar, turning a string (whether considered as text or raw bits) into an abstract syntax tree
asciilifeform: trinque: not as such. BUT he really oughta build the proggy and do in his own shell.
douchebag: Just make sure a problem like that doesn't occur again. Remote code execution is just as bad as it can get
lobbes: I agree this needs archiving (I'm currently working off their version of kritik der reinen vernunft as a german study aid). However, unlike kibo.com I would wager the entirety of gutenberg is much much larger. I'd prolly need moar storage than the ~200gb ssd on the dedicated home craptop I'm currently using (but maybe not) >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792648 ☝︎☟︎
lobbes: and shinohai, as much as I'd like to blame this on supybot, this one is all me (the exploited code was all brewed by yours truly)
shinohai: cheers as well! o7
mircea_popescu: this actually misses the all-important mechanism. "when we need to disambiguate, we add more words such as to contradict one of the two possible solutions the string could eval to"
mircea_popescu: "in natural languages, we are used to context. indeed, contextual meaning is what makes natural languages natural. we have `list' as a verb, and we have `list' as a noun. we have `listless' as an adjective describing something (like a programming language) that does not have lists, and an adjective describing someone who is sort of permanently tired. when we need to disambiguate, we do so with more words."
spyked: also, as a fun-fact: I tried running lispbots on an old first-gen raspberry pi, but it seems SBCL doesn't support threading on ARM (at least not ARMv6 and ARMv7). so I want to test that on ARM64.
mircea_popescu: spyked as described this item would actually make a great node ; whether the practice holds is to be seen in practice.
mircea_popescu: as you don't do a lot of numbers churning, it might be tghe perfect item for you. and if not, well, we see.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-03#1792317 << well conceivably for the same reason alf isn't bringing back phuctor, neh. cuz he doesn't as of yet have where to bring it back from! ☝︎
asciilifeform: the arm gentoo i am cooking up as we speak.
mircea_popescu: yeah, tell you what, i'll be as happy as you are once it's finally done.
douchebag: lobbes: Just make sure whenever you handle any user input, consider all input as potentially malicious
mircea_popescu: lobbes well fine, but i was discussing teh design as such. there's no rule against "i have a crappy box for a server that's not worth placing in a dc so it sits in garage", sure. nor is there any rule against "i just simplified speech, called it homebox, it's not" -- but what you say is all i have to go on, that's all.
douchebag: lobbes: If you want to make a secure application, consider all user input as malicious
lobbes: What would you suggest as a better design? Obvs no passing urls via bash
lobbes: Oya. Hey, this is the peril of "learning as you go"
mircea_popescu: (consider, the way linux works today, if i can run wget as a user i can take the box, the memory leaks.)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 12:30 shinohai: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-3#324610 <<< I'm sorry, been working on my new book "How to set chmod permissions in under 1 minute so users can log into their shell, and other things isp ops should know!" .... but I'll look into that as time permits.
shinohai: yup and it shall rejoin as soon as i get back @ desk. my apologies for inconvenience
shinohai: ben_vulpes is also aware *why* checking if bot is in #trilema these days is kinda low on list of priorities, as i am in field and only read logs.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 12:30 shinohai: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-3#324610 <<< I'm sorry, been working on my new book "How to set chmod permissions in under 1 minute so users can log into their shell, and other things isp ops should know!" .... but I'll look into that as time permits.
shinohai: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-3#324610 <<< I'm sorry, been working on my new book "How to set chmod permissions in under 1 minute so users can log into their shell, and other things isp ops should know!" .... but I'll look into that as time permits. ☟︎☟︎
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-03 01:03 trinque: but, I would recommend a student go build his own by hand. doing so by reading my script would be fine, so long as you research every line to understand why that step was done.
shinohai: logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-3#324450 <<< have used your script, and it's former incantaion from years ago - very useful things. My solution thus far is simply running a binhost locally, which is temporary as I try to tweak recipe for amd64.
mircea_popescu: and as it has to be said : you are not a man until you've played a browser game through curl, pipe and awk/sed.
mircea_popescu: lobbes here's a bonus : suppose you have a lengthy file (such as say a server log) and you want to extract just one column. you got awk : cat hurr.txt | awk '{print $3}' (and -F will set the delimiter if space's no good).
trinque: lol nah I had one of those before, wrong jusrisdiction to straighten her out, as per the definitive trilema.
trinque: but, I would recommend a student go build his own by hand. doing so by reading my script would be fine, so long as you research every line to understand why that step was done.
trinque: but as dianan_coman observed, the outside world moved, while the thing hadn't yet eaten enough of the outside world.
mircea_popescu: (as you might intuit, i was a terror as a 5yo being introduced to darwinism. "so why did the other birdy quit ?" "well the guy was bigger." "so ?" "so he's affraid of him." "why ?" "because he's bigger." "So what if he's bigger ? what could he do ? just flies around like an idiot" "could peck it" "so could the smaller one!" and on and on.)
mircea_popescu: phf that's the issue in my head, of no practical consequence as it is : why, exactly, different beast, and how ?
asciilifeform: phf: this is curable by not using unix diff. the only lines ~produced~ by dir2txt ab initio are the decorative ones and the 1234 @ filepath . all other bytes are copies as-they-are and line-agnostically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me a correctly designed and properly implemented version of trinque 's original doodle, which he summarily described as "bundle all files together and hash" ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your algo as far as i can tell worx perfectly well. mine however is simpler. ( and also worx )
mircea_popescu: file a/hurr/durr.txt hash aba1 matches file b/hurr/hurr.txt hash aba1, durr.txt was renamed as hurr.txt (renaming and moving are, like norton commander correctly identified, the SAME op. it's all a namechange.)
asciilifeform: ( transforms whole spittoon into 1 strand, and back, as necessary )
mircea_popescu: at which juncture i suppose it'd pay to check, huh. hey phf, my memory of logs discussion includes this item whereby the above problem was fully resolved by declaring the path as inseparable part of the filename. you on the same page ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: plz do not treat these as homeworks, mod6 , they are there for illustration
mircea_popescu: ah. so then get the whet back and see from there. maybe new vdiff is ready ; if not and you want to march you can apply spyked's patch on the extant codebase as published by phf, if i understand correctly that should fix your problem. the diffs you produce with the thing thereby compiled will work with later restared vdiff too.
mircea_popescu: piddly $100k career take for "elite" representatives of the embattled government ? vulnerable as all hell.
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5351133/Eastern-Europeans-10-times-faster-farm-work-Brits.html << fucking hysterical. entirely useless precious cuntlets somehow stop short of wondering why the fuck their government has to import muslims by the million as the only people troglodyte enough to fuck their dumb cunts.
mircea_popescu: "3x as many male managers are now uncomfortable mentoring women in the wake of #MeToo. This is a huge step in the wrong direction. We need more" << roflmao.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't recall being as infuriated with computers hence.
asciilifeform: given as we are 'on space station'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the idea is to keep a spare there in any case, even if we don't use it for anything, "to make up for lost time", live a little as it were ?