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mircea_popescu: phf in principle and up
to a certain degree
this can be pulled off. but
the management of
that degree
tree is i'd say
the principal job of cultural management. because holy shit
the failure modes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of roman numeral systems,
the dumbest
thing about writing is
that , doesn't come with a symmetric-comma.
phf: i
think somehow lisp symbols
tie into
this, i'd call it sanskrit
thinking, because you also see
that a lot in sanskrit. let's attach as much meaning
to
this symbol as we possibly can, but when we speak
the correct meaning will be communicated because
the other person is also a vedic god
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf not you, but future me. i will be senile one day, in 2075, and i might need
to read
this.
mircea_popescu: phf which is
the fucking problem with
the sort of mind. by avoiding
to correctly order output (ie, most significant byte first!!) and ESPECIALLY by failing
to correctly filter output (least controversial part is filtered, least copacetic part is passed, NOT
the other way around!!!) is what mires
technical discussions altogether.
mircea_popescu: jesus
that phrase came out hard
to parse. let's parens : (well, (it's not clear
to me ((his position) was ((ever pro-unicode) (outside of a (platonic object (unicode (was about as much (as smgl was)))))
phf: hah, you know
that might be
the gift of his delusion
phf: right, platonic unicode, i
think it was more aligned even with common lisp's notion of character object or somesuch,
than what
the spec actually become. i
think he might've ranted somewhere about ms fucking it up and such
mircea_popescu: nihongo
they could figure out how
to amputate was snipped.
mircea_popescu: anyway, jwz's own history, self-serving as it is, nevertheless seems accurate
to me : mule is what was left once all
the inept
mircea_popescu: "computers should do
things" "yaaay" "here's
the
things" "OMFGWTFBBQ"
mircea_popescu: well, it's not clear
to me his position was ever pro-unicode outside of a platonic object unicode was about as much as smgl was.
phf: huh,
the world is a large and complicated place
phf: besides it's only legal
to discharge arms within portland city limit if you're participating in some sort of non-marijuana drug related activity
ben_vulpes: phf: sadly all i have is a porch roof, bb gun, and alley full of squirrels and
the occasional methwitch
shinohai: From
today's
trilema update "Bear in mind
that it is deemed unethical within
the Republic
to write code if you haven't actually learned how
to write it first, and
that orcs' claims
to have
taught you something often
turn out fraudulent upon examination."
phf: the esteemed gentelman of
the Inquisition is still with us, and, at present, is retired
phf: "lord vulpes, drunk with power, shooting
the coolies from
the back of his veranda" engraving, ca 2017
shinohai: Careful ben_vulpes, you might
trigger it
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 18:32 Swant: Because from what some other users have
told me it's for buying and selling porn...
ben_vulpes: which is
the opposite of
the cppmeatfield where a
thing going over budget and
timeline simply results in bigger budgets and longer
timelines
ben_vulpes: well if you ship machines with a screamingly loud resonance because you
took
the pressure-hood's line feed directly off
the air bearings feed lines without damping reservoirs most likely your office will never be
tasked with anything other
than sustaining work ever again
esthlos: I was wondering what happens if you replace "software development" with "physics", and see it
that way.
ben_vulpes: also
the notion
that
technical issues aren't business issues simply points
to
the coolie-nature of
the
typical cpp slave likely
to read such pap. certainly not
the case where i'm concerned;
the quality of code and systems delivered and maintained are of
the *utmost* concern
to
the biz.
ben_vulpes: certainly suspect in
that nowhere does it mention
the supreme import of writing code *to be read*
a111: Logged on 2016-08-03 15:40 phf:
the whole font changes meaning
take
two is coming from
the japanese.
they were actively promoting
this idea back during early unicode standardization days, where
there was a strong drive
to include every idiosyncratic version of kanji in
the standard, because "that's how my family writes it in our last name".
phf: japs hated unicode for own, peculiar reasons, and still mostly do.
the solution
they were
trying
to push
through on emacs actually supported
their peculiar use case.
phf: mule is probably part of
the greater concern within
the overal situation which was japanese and unicode
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect
this was at
the
time
the
true problem : jwz wanted
to unicode
the japanese way and rms didn't even understand what's being discussed (which -- major fucking failure for
the role, incidentally).
mircea_popescu: (the whole nihongo affair may be interesting
to
the student of high functioning autist idiocy because it's
to my knowledge
the only documented case of japanese being incredibly fucking dense in
the sense of "dumber for being smart
than if you weren't smart at all")
mircea_popescu: so
the point of comparison would be i guess either 48 or 55
mircea_popescu: ok, here, jwz variant : emacs 18.48 released 18sep1987!!!! off which
they started epoch, and 18.55 off which
they based both 19 and
through
that venue lucid version
phf: oh ffs, literally down
two lines down in
the logs
mircea_popescu: not
to mention
they were both proceeding off "alpha" 19 which had been brewing at
that
time for at least 18 months.
phf: yeah, 59 is
the earliest one i have
mircea_popescu: phf also,
the split didn't happen around 18.59, it happened around whatever
the fuck it was, 18.10.
there was a period when both lucid and fsf were releasing "newer" minor versions, skipping
the other's.
mircea_popescu: i can accept
that
terminology ; above statement becomes "of fucking course lucid didn't want an inanimate object seated in
the chair"
mircea_popescu: this is not nothing ; even if it isn't
the something one'd like it
to be.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i can't
think of any project
that actually
thrived under his management. systemd
tard pm'd circles around a decade's worth of collected rms effort in half a year.
mircea_popescu: sure, he's
the only one of
the cuckarmy
that even stepped forward etc.
mircea_popescu: and contrary
to his grandiose aspirations (which came and went, so not uniform at least), he never was more
than
that, alcatel drone X on floor Y.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1990s rms, either. man was possibly
the worst middle management i ever saw.
mircea_popescu: "i would like money from
the internetz on my own
terms kthx"
shinohai:
https://lust.agency/ <<< "a goal
to enable all human beings on earth
to find
their perfect sexual partner anonymously." What kind of sense does
that even make?
phf: and looking just at
the kernel (and generously ignoring various xlibraries and shitplatforms for 22) 497576 and 1439148 respectively
phf: for
the curious emacs 18.59 2039069b where's 22.3 is 48010347b (that's just c,h and el)
mircea_popescu: tbh and fwiw, if i ran
the xemacs i would not permit rms anywhere near any sort of merged variant either.
phf: i wonder of customize- facilitiy was already
there by 18
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect
the political divide is 100% xemacs will only accept merger INTO xemacs, which is
to say,
to get rid of rms, because he's useless / other camp can't get over "rms is useless".
phf: nah, definitely not, now emacs has an ungodly amount of xemacsisms in it. variable sized reflowable inline objects,
that are also x11 windows and such
phf: x was already supported in emacs by
then
mircea_popescu: besideswhich, at
the
time it was entirely unclear x will survive.
mircea_popescu: and rms saw ~no value in supporting x, especially if
that was going
to break any more of
the
thoroughly broken bag of fractures
they were
tending as emacs 18
phf: i can buy
that interpretation
mircea_popescu: eh nfi, lucid
tried
to make it a qt app. except qt didn't exist yet.
phf: so emacs had some architecture, lucid
took
that architecture and
tried making it more of a lisp machine (i.e. better foundation for writing elisp applications),
then
they
tried pulling google.vs.linus and failed
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:48 mircea_popescu: "# fillerchar: A chosen special filler character
to be used.
This character is assumed
to have no occurrence in
the given plaintextstring and is not alphabetical." << holyshit wat.
mircea_popescu: ah. i dunno, i guess not cancerous in
the "but i got id saying im female" sense ; but very much had
the clap.
phf: actually i'm not sure i can, it's been a while since i've seen xemacs internals (i.e. >10 years).
the point i was
trying
to make is
that emacs ascii is
talking about is a wholy different beats from
the 1990s items, which were at
the very least not cancerous
phf: so whatever lucid did on
top of emacs code was probably an improvement
phf: mircea_popescu:
to be fair both xemacs and emacs of
that vintage are
the height of readable elegance, compared
to emacs of any later period
phf: "hey man i just drive
this
tank, i don't know what makes it work" ok
then.
mircea_popescu: presumably
they do
the good where one can at least read
through and not want
to hurt self ?
phf: asciilifeform; first class characters like in common lisp for one, proper defstruct implementation, also
they clarified significantly
the buffer structure
mircea_popescu: anyway, 1990s period /me "emacs is fucked, use vi, at least it's shorter and doesn't do anything" very much related
to all
this.
mircea_popescu: this i judge as
the right move, otherwise might've hanged self in despair years prior
to republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
that may be so, but, again, have you looked at
the data model ?
phf: but i
then used it for a years, and learned elisp with it, and
they were clearly making changes
to elisp
to make it not suck
mircea_popescu: the gui focus of
their endless flamewars was dumb and not particularily flattering, netiehr for
the gabriel/jwz side nor for
the rms+retarded eurobois side
phf: i don't know if you've spent any significant amount of
time with it, but i literally got
tricked into installing xemacs first (cause x means it's gui yes?? 97 me)
phf: that's because you don't look under
the hood
mircea_popescu: discussion is what's under
the hood not how
the gui feels.
mircea_popescu: phf
the only contentious portion none of
the cucks addressed AT ALL is
that lucid also wanted
to
take over. which may or may not be
the right move, but utterly can't be "the one
thing we don't
talk about".