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asciilifeform: possibly even use it perversely to perform certain computations quickly. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but in principle apeloyee is right, one could make a 'page swapped' tile of 'ice's. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it does take nearly whole second tho, to load
asciilifeform: the 8k takes external spi config
asciilifeform: unless there's a seekrit catalogue i dun have
mircea_popescu: why wasn't this in there dec 15th ? pshaw.
BingoBoingo: Apparently takes weeks. Anecdote from datacenter folk suggests 2-3 months of bandaids not uncommon.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: they have very slow-writing storage for the bitstream (nand flash, with ~10k cycle endurance) so definitely not practical
asciilifeform: apeloyee: adder is just a series of xor's. but yes you need shift registers to hold the operands, and one to hold the result ( which then can be shifted )
apeloyee: can you use one 'ice' to generate a bitstream for another one?
mircea_popescu: what happened to "but i must warn you mr bb, "applying for bank accounts:" is a thing, bank doesn't open acct ON THE SPOT, takes 8 years"
mircea_popescu: but today is thurs!
BingoBoingo: Apparently they waited until after the business registration went through Friday to apply for bank accounts.
apeloyee: *double the result"
mircea_popescu: wtf did that accountant or w/e do, "oh, i can find you a house mr bb, it just won't have any walls..." ?
asciilifeform: i still dislike having to use toolchain from hitler to compile the bitstream. and thereby the current fg is the last time i use a xilinx in a product.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And thus my increasing annoyance with the locals. They aren't ustards, but their slow speed to anything is grating.
asciilifeform: and thereby has no attack surface in the traditional sense
asciilifeform: it is also unusual in that it accepts no input from the computer
asciilifeform: there are not many items, even conceptually, that can be audited this way
asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: whole point is to have your own stream.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That or "Hey pete, wanna send a wire for some BTC"
apeloyee: it's the 1 product currently sold, that's worth buying. << and the xilinx item in 'fuckgoats'?
asciilifeform: and it's the 1 fpga currently sold that's worth copying ( scaled-up, naturally )
asciilifeform: even if you need three dozen of'em to fit , e.g., vga controller.
asciilifeform: it's the 1 product currently sold, that's worth buying.
asciilifeform: the only cure for this is to fab own fpga.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the most immediate risk is that 'ice' series simply goes out of print. like anything else.
phf: aaye, boss wantsa one of them servers, brought you eggheads some mulah
asciilifeform: apeloyee: they could in principle try intel-style fascism with built-in rsa sig verifier or the like. but afaik the only vendor to date to attempt any such thing, was xilinx, and it wasn't even in earnest
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what's the plan here, drop upon the dc with brown paper bag fulla cash ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: apeloyee: nothing per se. but the 'fiddled' chip is likely to be reversable with same methods, on account of being homogeneous
asciilifeform: it is sorta how like american hardware store would love to sell plastic pipe wrenches. but you can't actually work with those, so they don't.
apeloyee: what's to stop Lattice from yanking the reversed ice and introducing similar-but-incompatible per the playbook?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well acordding to Uruguay it's a business. How long until there's a bank account is a mystery. Moving discussions ahead with the datacenter with the understanding that if a local bank account isn ready in time, there will be some way to pay them.
asciilifeform: they would have long ago phased out the sane (sea of gates) devices , otherwise.
asciilifeform: so yes, the only reason why anybody sells ice and 95xx -like 'sea of gates' at all, is that for 'glue' (simple boolean functions of signals, for e.g. bus decoding, addressing, simple i/o multiplexing) is that you can't actually do it reliably with the non-seaofgates devices ☟︎
asciilifeform: the smaller ones are 'sea of gates' as they are intended to be used for glue logic, and emphasize predictable path timing ( the analogous xilinx series is the 95xx , as used in FUCKGOATS )
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the larger chips by lattice co are already xilinx-like
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 20:02 asciilifeform: re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc. ☟︎
apeloyee: and you think internals of 'ice' won't be switched?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:49 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 << do I understand correctly that there's nowhere to store the result, as there seems to be enough hw adders in an 'ice'?also, it seems that the same authors are trying to reverse some xilinx nao: https://symbiflow.github.io/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769036 << this is correct, it simply doesn't have enough LUTs to store even the 2 operands, not even speaking of result. however xilinx is a dead end : because it is 1) nonhomogeneous 2) they switch the internals regularly, specifically to prevent a reversing from being useful in the long term. see old xilinx threads in the logs for detail ☝︎
danielpbarron: been a while since i did that
diana_coman: sounds like connection trouble
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 13:46 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768419 << All reg'd now the accounts are filing bank account papers. Datacenter rep did indeed disclose lack of care where wire transfers come from so long as paid
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768945 << "all x except not x.y" bejaysus. how long until you have it all up then ? ☝︎
diana_coman: shinohai, what was the trouble?
diana_coman: plenty of things for the pick up really
shinohai: Heh I can connect to Eulora again
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, at some point there will be time to get to the bottom of that too
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this time, it pinged. heck knows.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 20:06 asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series )
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 << do I understand correctly that there's nowhere to store the result, as there seems to be enough hw adders in an 'ice'?also, it seems that the same authors are trying to reverse some xilinx nao: https://symbiflow.github.io/ ☝︎☟︎☟︎
phf: diana_coman: yeah, i remember the python 2/3 rants in logs here too. i take it s.mg at this point mails CDs of prefab player AND developer environments ☟︎
trinque: need to do this for sys and proc as well.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 14:41 danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque ok i finally got around to looking at this cuntoo thing. machine can't load the kernel. when i chroot to try to rebuild it, i can't even mount /dev points or df -h
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768950 << can't load your own custom kernel eh? anyhow I'd need the barf to help you, picture of screen even. as for mounting dev in the chroot, you must "mount -obind /dev /path/to/build/dev" ☝︎
lobbesbot: Logged on 2016-11-28 14:51:45: <diana_coman> basically whatever blender version is the last to work on python 2.x
diana_coman: as per http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-11-28.log.html#t14:51:45 + adventures with exporting from it, we ended up freezing blender version at 2.66 and - as usual by now - hosting it too ( minigame.bz/eulora/source/blender-2.66.tar.gz )
diana_coman: phf, quite; Blender 2.66 for the record; the stopping point though was basically latest working with acceptable version of Python
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:03 asciilifeform: they dunbelieve in sidewalks there ( repurposed as orcish parkinglot , as in many post-su lands ) and after coupla days of walking on rubble in 'civilized' shoes , feet resemble chinese bamboo punishment victim's
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769016 <- ahahaha, I walked those sidewalks for years and in high heels too; it's a skill! (leather shoes though, always, proper Romanian shoes) ☝︎
mats: http://blog.talosintelligence.com/2018/01/unpatched-blender-vulns.html perhaps relevant to eulora
BingoBoingo: Eh, ablation is kinda what the sole is there for
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: boots that can take ~removable~ (check into baggage when going by airplane) iron plates would be spiffy imho ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Ah, the uruguayan sidewalks are intentionally textured like rubble!
asciilifeform: they dunbelieve in sidewalks there ( repurposed as orcish parkinglot , as in many post-su lands ) and after coupla days of walking on rubble in 'civilized' shoes , feet resemble chinese bamboo punishment victim's ☟︎
asciilifeform: these would've been ideal for the 100km of bucharest walk
phf: actually texans make those cowboy boots, i've been gifted two pairs at different times, and they are incredibly comfortable. but of course they are not ideal on pavement, and it's also stylistically a bold move on the east coast
asciilifeform sometimes sees photos of africans, straw ebola huts in background, wearing 'nike', tshirts, etc. and wonders if typical ameritard viewer sees 'ooh hey they get Real Clothing, Like Us' rather than 'hmm why am i dressed like ebola african' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well, the adult shoes contain leather
BingoBoingo: Here the trend seems to be Nike plastic de China for the youth and imitation real shoes for the adults, with substantial amounts of flip flops mixed in
BingoBoingo simply went to Rural King, got pair of Redwings off the shelf. Traded ~$200 and began ritual break in process
asciilifeform: for coupla hundy you could prolly get a tailored set . ( asciilifeform did not stay longenuff to investigate ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: in timisoara, 'boot valhalla', walk into ~any shop and for 1.5x of what 1 pair of typical chinese liquishit costs in shitland, you get italian boots , with actual leather, insulation , proper sole, etc
BingoBoingo: Closest thing I could find before leaving were workboots
asciilifeform: prolly banned, like decent milk ( see 'uht' thread )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that decent shoes are somehow illegal in usa. they are ~entirely unavailable in any shop i've ever walked into there. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <phf> heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1" << Old leather always is something you can't get off the shelf
shinohai: I don't expect drastically different results than from first pass, but never hurts to poke these things with a stick some.
mod6: shinohai: ah, alright, i'll probably have a full patch for people to look at here later today.
shinohai: Oh good morning mod6 .... gonna try the changes out later this afternoon, will report back
phf: heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1" ☟︎
asciilifeform: next generation will spend time working on shoes. ( if cardboard duct taped to foot can be called 'shoe' )
phf: my grandfather (and his generation) spent their leisure time working on cars (also billiard and preferance). i can't help but think that working on keyboards is a bit of a step down :o ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty
asciilifeform: the flip side of the medal , is that once the thing is assembled, that's it, for another three decades
asciilifeform: ( and if you make a mistake -- ALL of the flappers fall out: all 122 of'em... )
asciilifeform: phf: exclusing items on wheels , i dun think i've ever owned a mechanical device that was as much of a bitch to reassemble , as the 'f'
phf: i have a second model f that i was promissing someone to make operational, i'll play around with that one
mod6 tips hat to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << subj; for folx reading the thread and thinking 'wtf'
asciilifeform: phf: i even suspect that it is possible to improve the cornall design with... randomized scan. i suspect that the sequential scan, sets up resonances. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( the ones that used soldered wires instead of pcb -- still matrix. )
asciilifeform: at least every single one i've ever seen a photo of the inside of.
asciilifeform: all of them
phf: hmm, they gave up on 1 key 1 wire long before though. those pdp keyboards, dec? was space cadet it? ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: ftr i think the 'matrix' design is ridiculous. esp in a device that cost what a harley cost at the time.