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asciilifeform: but i haven't any notion who.
asciilifeform: know what asciilifeform won't miss at all when we dump fleanode ? how about the join/part vermin.
ben_vulpes: complete with "gtfo, this won't change anything" from the normal blm suspects
asciilifeform: loads here but is deeply hermetic ameritard rubbish, asciilifeform currently can't be arsed to decode
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh, i recall. except weren't days of ms-dos, were days of dos and ms was barking at the edges to be let in.
asciilifeform: what do you mean, 'does work', it didn't produce anything i can run on arm64
asciilifeform: ave1: you wouldn't be the first to tar up wrong dir for a release, lol
a111: Logged on 2018-05-30 15:14 asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 your newest tarball barfs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FS6l/?raw=true << gmp demands a patch that can't be found, hangs with prompt
lobbesbot: ave1: Sent 3 hours and 12 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> your newest tarball barfs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FS6l/?raw=true << gmp demands a patch that can't be found, hangs with prompt
asciilifeform: ( the others being the z-whatevers, 2 of'em and i can't recall how they differed, the one with 'z-snark' and other other, with the magical rng seed)
asciilifeform: see linked thread, d00d tapped out at 'go read paper', when asciilifeform:'yes i read paper, now say how ring sig doesn't slowly leak' and fluffypony:'[various squid ink]'
mircea_popescu: by now this "won't do what mp says do" is such a bell...
a111: Logged on 2014-10-02 21:28 mircea_popescu: davidlatapie i have nfi idea what monero is because in spite of being invited fluffypony doesn't want to give the group a presentation. the comment is just as to the improbable nature of the name. why mew and what's someone not in on the jokes to make of it.
mircea_popescu: you still don't understand how stealing the having been stolen from works, huh.
asciilifeform: i find it a puzzler, what the cartoon these folx are watching inside their heads, even ~is~. (e.g. it ain't as if, say, lenin, 'accomplished' by 'normal people visiting')
mircea_popescu: most people don't amount to much in this life ; but to manage to amount to ~ a negative value ~ it really fucking takes some negative IQ.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 your newest tarball barfs : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5FS6l/?raw=true << gmp demands a patch that can't be found, hangs with prompt ☟︎
spyked: trinque, no, the bot doesn't do anything yet. but there'll be likely some join/part spam. and I'm also wondering whether it should try to self-voice when it gets a -v
esthlos: I should mention that I had some trouble pressing it using mod6's v. After the press, the thing complained that the hashes don't match. But if you check it manually, it works out
asciilifeform: i went to look for voice, this was the only one that didn't, apparently , do it with mouth full...
Mocky: mod6, I don't mind the learning curve. Back in the day I used emacs in viper mode on a slackware disto built from a two foot stack of 3.5in floppies and thought I was the shit. but a couple decades outta that game, just wondering if there's anything new. The full extent of what I know exists: emacs, vi(m), nano, ed, ex, gedit.
mod6: <+Mocky> vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it << Vi/M can have a steep learning curve, but once you're good at it, it can ramp up your efficiency quite a bit imho. however, if you need something simple, there's always 'nano' or whatever.
esthlos: oh and no, haven't looked at BingoBoingo 's thingy. I'll check it out
Mocky: vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it
Mocky: I used emacs for a while and didn't strictly hate it, although i did strictly hate elisp
asciilifeform hasn't met many emacsists who say anything other than 'i use grudgingly'
asciilifeform: jurov please don't dance around my q, you know exactly what i'm asking
asciilifeform: 'quit , didn't want to be yet another grunt on yet another particle collider', went into ordinary engineering.
asciilifeform: ( without which, lulzily, won't even see usg.google.* )
mircea_popescu: "the world", don't you know. which world ? "oh, you know, the imaginary item we produced". what we ?
asciilifeform: anyone who doesn't have it -- can extract it trivially from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 ball
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, shitgnomes in both the gentoo and musl-overlay portage trees continued their brownian motion and diana_coman for example couldn't build, one day
mircea_popescu: nobody's saying we don't have the parts or that they can't be made or anything.
asciilifeform: generally you wouldn't
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the issue isn't whether we should have proper rt comms ; the issue is why the fuck would i want an intermediate step here. i don't, it's a great way to waste manhours.
mircea_popescu: wtf do i want to reimplement bs irc, end up with a dead genesis that we won't use.
trinque: if the circumstance arose where somebody lifted "asciilifeform" I wouldn't be opposed to changing the alias string for same key to "alfredalfer" as I've handled expired keys in the past, by proving control of key to me
asciilifeform: iirc if nick is proper-banned, you can't sit in it even for 30s
trinque: deedbot doesn't require you be auth'd to nickserv, but does challenge you based on the nick with which you're speaking to it.
asciilifeform: ( or am i mistaken ? trinque , if can't use nick, can still auth with deedbot ? or not )
mircea_popescu: the true part (there's no threat to account security) comes from the fact we don't even use their derpy scheme.
mircea_popescu: i honestly can't be arsed.
mircea_popescu: anyway. rather than the transparent shenanigans, it is of greater concern that ~no one is on freenode. i mean, the fucktards in #lisp still, TO THIS DAY, haven't yet figured their way out of the paper bag of my asking "hey folk, would you like a candi_lustt ?".
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 16:50 asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819514 << because it isn't, lmao. ☝︎
asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: sorta was my point : it isn't that no one can build a convenient ( from user pov ) transmutation reactor ! it can be built. but operation will inevitably involve good deal of regular sweat from the operator, negating most of the automation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819461 << hey, i know a place or two like that around cape cod! though they usually don't get wet. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they don't earnestly try. that's the fucking point, when presented a paper car you don't ernestly try to drive it ; when presented a "social justice" truth / "Global warming" science etc religious nonsense you don't earnestly try to verify it. you're supposed to be excited and fucking clap, what the fuck, they're filming the advertising not asking you what you think.
mod6: up here, we didn't even get a spring. few weeks back (it seems) was getting blizzards, now last weekend, it was 101 deg. F.
phf: it's also that brief time of the year in maryland dc area when the weather is _good_. the rollercoaster of winter is past, but the swampy oppressive summer isn't here yet.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:46 mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it.
lobbes: seems indeed no mysql for /dev-lang/php (but then.. how did you get mp-wp working if mysqli evidently can't cut the mustard and no mysql O_o) >> https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php
mircea_popescu: (and obviously the choice will also be illusory, for the fundamental reason explained by qt in reservoir dogs : "if nobody knows anyone they're going to start arguing on scarce resource division ~AND NOT KNOW WHEN TO BACK DOWN~". nobody knows WHY they don't get to go to $exclusiverestaurant when they want to. nor can they know. so there's nothing to talk about.)
mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Fuck your world where there's no place for me, I thought in despair. If I can't destroy it, at least I'll die a fine death in the attempt, along with others like me. I had no concrete image of how this would come about, but from past experience I knew that he who seeks fate is always provided an opportunity; I would not remain without one.'
asciilifeform: 'You don't like me? You don't want to pay? It's precious little – $278 a month. You don't want to pay. Then why the fuck did you invite me, entice me here from Russia, along with a horde of Jews? Present your complaints to your own propaganda, it's too effective. That's what's emptying your pockets, not I.'
asciilifeform: where he, e.g., : 'I am on welfare. I live at your expense, you pay taxes and I don't do a fucking thing. Twice a month I go to the clean, spacious welfare office at 1515 Broadway and receive my checks. I consider myself to be scum, the dregs of society, I have no shame or conscience, therefore my conscience doesn't bother me and I don't plan to look for work, I want to receive your money to the end of my days. And my name is Edichka
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819298 << during the 1st lolfork, i did this for self, and for a friend, prolly time to revv up the relevant tool again ( if anybody ~really~ doesn't feel like doing his own: gpggram asciilifeform, we'll work something out ) ☝︎
ben_vulpes: i don't care to hang on to any forkcoins, no
diana_coman: eh, wasn't it more ro than en on a wordcount basis?
lobbes: conceivably, the 'pre-prepared !!v string' method also has the advantage that when tmsr transitions its infrastructure to be using tmsr-rsa, you won't need to recode your botworks
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 18:35 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819113 <-- I personally like trinque's proposal because it enforces a certain level of hygiene and because it doesn't require calling gpg from lisp. but I'm more curious about what other bot operators have to say about it. so even if for example the poker bot needs to handle funds into its own deedbot wallet, I'm curious whether this semi-manual scheme would be feasible.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818863 << so you can't consider it a pool while it's filled with algae and bacteria, more correctly a swamp until after the chlorine? ☝︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819191 << maybet get-errno doesn't do what it's supposed to do ☝︎
mod6: fair enough. I was just trying to get a mental idea of where it's at. I don't activly track BCH or BTG. We'll see what ben_vulpes has to say.
spyked: hm didn't showgirls have the guy from twin peaks/blue velvet/other lynch movies? kyle maclachlan.
mircea_popescu: but yes, that's how the dork ended up in showgirls, notwithstanding he evidently didn't belong there at all.
spyked: mircea_popescu, dun think I've seen that one either. first somewhat "creepy" movie I've seen was Twin Peaks cca 1992. but not creepy in the horror sense, and I was 4yo at the time, didn't get much of what was happening.
mircea_popescu: spyked, anyway, i wouldn't say it's a good movie. run of the mill 80s tv camp, with vampires and whatnot. "tales from the crypt" fare, if you recall that show.
spyked: I won't dwell on it too much though. could in principle also end up with both implementations and let operator choose via Common Lisp's *features*... if this doesn't mess up the code too much.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-26 15:02 mircea_popescu: re the voicing approach : the above is fine. the alternative, where you keep a dedicated key on the bot, is also fine. the damage it can do is very limited (what, spend money it doesn't have ? rate people ?) and the upside is that you get to find out about possible attacks. neither method is wrong or anything.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819113 <-- I personally like trinque's proposal because it enforces a certain level of hygiene and because it doesn't require calling gpg from lisp. but I'm more curious about what other bot operators have to say about it. so even if for example the poker bot needs to handle funds into its own deedbot wallet, I'm curious whether this semi-manual scheme would be feasible. ☝︎☟︎
spyked finds a moderate amount of time for movies nowadays. has seen http://trilema.com/2009/nunta-muta/ and http://trilema.com/2015/top-secret/ from his list, and was completely blown away by the former. it still didn't fully sink in, might need to watch it again once or twice.
spyked: mircea_popescu, didn't see it. but there don't seem to be any romanian names in the cast, so wtf. made me curious, adding it to the list.
BingoBoingo: But you do have to surround yourself with the language. It doesn't matter if one or a handful of charitable ears understand you, you have to get pronunciation from crashing into everyday tasks of living.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819154 << A girlfriend and girl friends. Mustering attention to pay attention to what the boys are saying usually isn't worth it. ☝︎
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-26#1819137 -> they do indeed so it seems it is the same problem, yes; I just didn't know if anyone had already struggled with it with any success ☝︎
trinque: eh, I wouldn't rely on him for that. he's yet to show any signs he's pressed a trb himself using the previous V
esthlos: I am curious though, if http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817664 was working for phf, because it wasn't for either of us it seems ☝︎
trinque: I don't think %GET-ERRNO does what it seems. mkdtemp returns a null pointer on error, proper pointer otherwise, and I'm seeing that change depending on whether e.g. there's enough X in the pattern.
esthlos: as in (progn (#_mkdtemp (ccl:with-cstrs ((x "/tmp/fooXXXXXX")) (#_mkdtemp x))) (format t "~a" (ccl::%GET-ERRNO)))
trinque: appears to want some C type there as the argument, which makes sense. I wouldn't know how to provide that, just yet.
esthlos: sorry, don't mean CCL::%ERRNO-DISP is causing the trouble. CCL::%ERRNO-DISP is setting errno to -38, even though it seems to successfully create the directory
mircea_popescu: in any case i find the web 2.0 ish approach intellectually repugnant ; if i'm to explain why one "feels his arms pulled" when spinning under the moon, perhaps i'll be next held to explain why the same one doesn't "feel" the normal pressure in his bladder, or the heliocentric nature of the solar system in his horse's clavicle. let einstein, ziggler, marx, godin and friends answer this nonsense ; anil dash stands ready to angri
mircea_popescu: ruks and therefore won't get them into political trouble.
mircea_popescu: re the voicing approach : the above is fine. the alternative, where you keep a dedicated key on the bot, is also fine. the damage it can do is very limited (what, spend money it doesn't have ? rate people ?) and the upside is that you get to find out about possible attacks. neither method is wrong or anything. ☟︎
spyked: otherwise bot won't self-voice.
mircea_popescu: part of the problem is i don't even know if i can receive and can't be arsed to debug something i don't really use anyway. but yes, will clear it nao.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:59 phf: trinque: i like that idea, i'll see if it's easy to implement though. it doesn't map quite cleanly to current search architecture though, which is single pass and stateless
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:58 phf: asciilifeform: i'm establishing scope, rather then actually doing anything. firefox on my x60 has an uper limit on tabs i have open, because it runs out of memory, so i started thinking that this ain't no way to live :>
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818753 << this is actually a fine spec ; unterschrif't ☝︎
trinque: the code I have is to provide the voicing service, which isn't useful for your purposes, but will certainly be released at some point
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 15:44 phf: and i guess you're trying to replace google's uboot with a built-from-src one, that doesn't also have rsa checks etc.
pipp8: thanks, Hi all, I'm a little noob about bitcoin, so I'm sorry, But from your website thebitcoin.fundation I can read you still use bitcoin 0.54(or 0.53 official with bug solved) why you have choose this version? what succesive implementations wasn't in line with your thinking?? you don't want?
mircea_popescu: do me a favour and don't wait on the voice part so as to dump it together with the rss part, either.
mircea_popescu: that's even why eucrypt doesn't want to be outside of the tree of its dependencies, after all.
mircea_popescu: trinque, not the end of the world, the "author1 thionks author2 is an idiot" can be very mild indeed, "i didn't like the patchlength, collapsed some and regenesised"
spyked: mircea_popescu, but say I have a similar itcbot vtree, with logbot on top. then top of it I include trilemabot (handling self-voicing et al.), then on top of that rss bot. then if I want to use rss bot but not logbot (which don't depend on each other), how would I go about that?
trinque: I don't see that eucrypt code includes the ada compiler? why not?