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fromloper: I'm going to join as amberglint now
diana_coman goes to try
mod6: up to 99993
mod6: np. use that to patch 99994.
diana_coman: yay, thank you mod6 !
diana_coman: ha, super-fast trinque !
mod6: how do i search the logs for all the lines that I have said?
diana_coman: k, I'll try that as soon as mod6 finds the patch
asciilifeform: ( i have not tried yet )
asciilifeform: nope. phf afaik has the 1 and only mechanically-correct vtron. mod6 has a prototype of the 2nd.
diana_coman: ah, I missed that then, I thought yours was grabbing leaf by leaf too
asciilifeform: afaik the only correct vtron currently existing , in this respect, is phf's.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it does, this was discussed.
diana_coman: uh oh, it seems asciilifeform's v misbehaves too: when pressing a leaf that has genesis as antecedent it presses ALSO all other descendants of genesis from what I can tell
asciilifeform: i was watching like usual with no audio. if anyone thinks i misses something thereby -- plox to write in.
mod6: diana_coman: you mean the patch for 99993? yeah, i pasted it in here.... lemme look for it quick.
asciilifeform: 'John Mallery @jcmallery_cyber 25 Dec 2017 Declinism is a psyop of adversaries...it was spread before during the Vietnam war.' << ahahahaha gold ☟︎
asciilifeform: why not also nag the statueofliberty, or washington monument.
fromloper: he's also on twitter, might nag him about it for laughs https://twitter.com/jcmallery_cyber
asciilifeform: 'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt. ☟︎
asciilifeform: d00d dun look so old. expect another 30-40 yrs of the dog sitting in the manger.
fromloper: he is talking at "cyber security" conferences
asciilifeform: what he is being paid for TODAY, is not known afaik.
asciilifeform: 'This project ran from October 1, 1993 to October 1, 1997.'
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 21:52 mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I have created a blog post outlining the behavior changes in 99993. Please take a look and consider these changes. Let me know if you have any comments or questions! Thanks in advance. http://www.mod6.net/2018/99993/99993-changes.html
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770368 <- mod6 did you publish this anywhere? it seems I might even have another test-case for it.. (version 99994 dies on it complaining that .vpatch is invalid) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-21 04:58 mircea_popescu: understand that the most economic way to run the economy - now as during 1614 - is to just turn off all machinery, lock all warehouses and bury the key
asciilifeform: what little clue there is, points to his having been an nsa asset since youth.
asciilifeform: but i'll admit that i know very, very little about mallery ( almost nothing is publicly known about him, he is an academic but not many publications in his name )
trinque: if so, how did folks this corrupt build anything worth having? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( and if it is, it is by playing usg piano correctly, rather than by training replacement retis )
asciilifeform: the racket is not , as far as i can tell, intended to outlive the current participants.
asciilifeform: otherwise mallery would have long ago hired a 'spare' or two, and afaik he never has.
asciilifeform: neither dks nor reti are really needed, to provide this 'support'.
asciilifeform: fromloper: i suspect not. because the 'support' is really ceremonial
fromloper: asciilifeform: maybe he'll give up if something happens to DKS and Kalman Reti so he'll be out of people capable to do the job, both of them are rather old
asciilifeform: fromloper: if he gave it out, potentially someone else could bid on the support contract ( under american law, all contracts are theoretically publicly biddable . lockheed et al simply contrive to set up situation where no one else ~can~ perform a given contract )
Covale`: diana_coman ty
fromloper: Kalman Reti said 4 years ago: "The problem is that the Symbolics IP is now owned by John Mallery; he has stated he has plans for making it available but so far (several years) has not yet done so."
asciilifeform: and when he dies they will pay for his sons' yachts. etc
asciilifeform: i suspect that there is no plan, the nsa cheques pay for his yachts and that's it.
asciilifeform: i asked this q here years ago, and to this day have no answer of any kind.
fromloper: I'm curious what John C. Mallery intends to do with his property, other than collect support cheques
asciilifeform: the ones who hoard secrets because they imagine that they have a ticket to being part of some future commercial revival of bolix, however -- those are idiots.
asciilifeform: some people spent $10k's on their collections of bolixiana. and imagine that these will become worthless if an accurate fpgalogical emulator appears. and for all i know , this is true. i simply don't care.
asciilifeform: i -- want. and this is why by and large they do not talk to me. they know about my www, they knew where to find me. they also know that i will publicly and immediately leak any bolixologial document that i am given. and want to make emulator. and for this, i suspect, they do not talk to me.
fromloper: I've read the whisperers discussion here, seems to be plausible
asciilifeform: fromloper: currently i suspect that many, possibly majority, of serious bolix collectors, ~do not want~ there to be an accurate emulator.
asciilifeform: and that if emulator's does not behave exactly same -- it will lead to barf, yes
asciilifeform: similar in fact to the one in everybody's old 486
asciilifeform: re fp, i'll observe that bolix used a weitek fp unit
asciilifeform: this is a q that only he can answer, supposing he feels like answering.
asciilifeform: fromloper: i actually do not know anything re who, if anyone, maintains. aside from phf's admission to having a private fork, linked above.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-21 14:43 phf: i spent (mostly another whisperer and myself did) on getting vlm stable, and i'm unconvinced that some of the issues we encountered were purely "buggy vlm". there is, for example, a crash in floating point instruction that happens when you load document examiner on stock piratebay opengenera. i have no explanation for it still, because vlm code ~seems to do the right thing~. there are other similar instances
fromloper: http://archive.is/zw03T << Rainer Joswig speaks of some secret team maintaining the emulator, I wonder if he means http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701489 ☝︎
fromloper: is VLM's life support built out of that proggy?
asciilifeform: the 'macivory' did not, used a proggy running on the mac.
asciilifeform: afaik the standalone ones, did
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz to the subj -- fep was an entire comp, mc68k, embedded inside bolix lispm, handled i/o and certain aspects of eggogology )
asciilifeform: fromloper: in re ivoryology, another unknown is the fep. virtually nothing is publicly known about the fep.
asciilifeform: there is, theoretically, a working disasm
fromloper: I wonder if it's going to ask for a license key like Macsyma on the same disk does
asciilifeform: and iirc phf has a working ivory -- worth trying there also
asciilifeform: but i never tried it under alpha, gotta try.
asciilifeform: i suspect that the copy on the Official genera disk, never worked.
fromloper: I also wanted to ask, did you figure out how to launch NS in VLM? I'm getting some Xlib error when I try to
asciilifeform: for all i know, the one and only path to e.g. a room-temperature supercon, was found at one of the reagan scamola firms, and died with it, also. i simply do not know about it.
asciilifeform: ( where i know for a fact that they Had Something )
asciilifeform: there is an entire graveyard of these; it simply so happens that i am only interested in the lispm-flavoured ones
asciilifeform: to be fair the company was not really a honest commercial co, moar like one of those unofficial usg research institutes, they proliferated under reagan and died with him ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( in usa for some reason it is traditional for ceo to be paid mega-bonus even when the company tanks )
asciilifeform: and yes the ones still alive, all work ~somewhere~, symbolics did not make anybody aside from the yacht brahmins rich
fromloper: Richard Greenblatt helped with this in 2006 https://projects.csail.mit.edu/films/aifilms/AIFilms.html
asciilifeform: 0 to do with lispm, for ~3 decades
fromloper: so there is at least one possible address, gotta try it ☟︎
asciilifeform: and now that we're on subj , where is, e.g., r. d. greenblatt ?
asciilifeform: 'Comments and criticisms to dave underscore moon atsign alum dot mit dot edu. ' << anybody tried ?
asciilifeform: i recall this
fromloper: that's the last of him I found
asciilifeform: funnily enuff a Dave Moon ran for election to some city dogcatcher post , not far from where i live. but on examination seems to be different d00d.
fromloper: this document refers to Dave Moon's files several times; I've tried to find any public presence of Moon on the net, maybe a mail address - found nothing
asciilifeform: out of fear of usg ? or from vanity ( he thinks it can be sold for millions ? to whom ? ) he is burning his life's work. i have nfi why.
asciilifeform: somebody , maybe same old man, has a bookcase full of typewritten design apocrypha, memoes, etc. from ivory group. he ain't sharing either.
asciilifeform: think, somebody, somewhere, has the source code to ns. and the ns netlist , with comments, to the ivory.
fromloper: yeah, somehow a lot of potentially interesting people on social media end up mostly posting this kind of crap ☟︎
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that reti et al seem intent to take their seekritz to their graves, because they are 'law-abiding' and are still honouring their nda to the dead hand of the dead man
trinque: pretty common to end up LARPing in retirement, even if one lived as a man, unfortunately
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:24 fromloper: asciilifeform: I have noticed that some of the former Symbolics employees are fairly active on Twitter, like https://twitter.com/swmckay (one of the developers of VLM) and https://twitter.com/KalmanReti , do you think it is possible to pry any information out of them?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771995 << in these pages however all i see is claptrap re 'racism of trump', 0 about lispm ☝︎
fromloper: asciilifeform: very good, I'm glad I brought it to your attention
asciilifeform: fromloper: looking at the linked doc, it is indeed very useful, now we have maybe 80% of the necessary info, instead of ~50%.
asciilifeform: fromloper: possibly. my track record for prying information out of bolixologists is ~0 so far, however.
fromloper: asciilifeform: I have noticed that some of the former Symbolics employees are fairly active on Twitter, like https://twitter.com/swmckay (one of the developers of VLM) and https://twitter.com/KalmanReti , do you think it is possible to pry any information out of them? ☟︎
fromloper: though it's still an early version of the architecture, revision 0 if I understand correctly
fromloper: there is a whole section on the virtual memory
fromloper: at the very least, the description of the instruction set is much more complete, all the opcodes are listed and no blanks at all
apeloyee: a hash of the entire tree doesn't take much
asciilifeform: fromloper: i'll confirm, this is a larger and moar detailed document than old one.
asciilifeform: ( and yes mircea_popescu's answer was 'shuddup and suck it' . which is very easily said when you ain't the one sucking it )
asciilifeform: apeloyee: look at the trb tree, and picture what the mass of the patches would have been, if this requirement had been in effect when i made it. ☟︎