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asciilifeform: (it's a 50kb c proggy)

mircea_popescu: amusingly, it's a converse/correlate concept to the overton window.

asciilifeform: at any rate, whoever wants to do this, knows how, it is not a mega-pr0j3ct

mircea_popescu: nobody gives enough of a shit, but anyway. "army in being".

assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 23:40:46; mircea_popescu: i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms.

BingoBoingo: Yeah, the orphanage kill was a great thing

BingoBoingo: Oh, dulap is the one I've been connected to for a while nao

asciilifeform: this is a press of the programmable-versionstring patch and down.

asciilifeform: and kudos to mircea_popescu for providing a very spiffy box, on which phuctor will also very soon return

asciilifeform: (rotor, if anyone forgets, is a static build from a locally-built gcc toolchain)

asciilifeform: incidentally, gentlemen, please welcome (back) dulap! 46.166.165.30:8333 (nosuchlabs.com), a trb node running bleedingedge-asciilifeform+rotor(musl) ☟︎

asciilifeform: mod6: ideally a vtron would follow along as the patches are applied and actually verify the hashes, yes

assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 23:49:50; punkman: the basic idea of segwit is not bad, should have been there from the start, without the "softfork" complexity, no ANYONECANPAY-looking crap, without making another merkle tree, without blocksize discounts and enlargements, without planning to use it as a vehicle for future "painless" shitgnovation

assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 23:29:25; punkman: https://github.com/jonasnick/ecdsaPredictableNonce attack against libsec256k1 about a year ago

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348027 << this cost a good number of chumps their coin, aha ☝︎

shinohai moves to the Netherlands to become a driving instructor ... http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/19/dutch-driving-instructors-can-now-accept-sex-as-payment-5575568/

mircea_popescu: anyway, to round off that luke-jr inanity from before : you can't "fork off" the real bitcoin. yeah, you can maybe make it appear (to yourself) that you have a coupla confirms. it costs you more than you have anyway, and nobody looks at hte shit you look at, so it's mostly an exercise in masturbation. expensive, but ultimately pointless.

mircea_popescu: but they're kids, with the life experience, intellectual/emotional maturity and general bandwidth of the average pubescent afghan. so... takes a little longer.

mircea_popescu: yes, a sane power ranger would have quit back in 2013, when mpoe-pr published that post on tardstalk.

mircea_popescu: as far as the faux developers are concerned, it's rather obvious that even people with just a little ego will nevertheless necesitate the psychological maneuver of working themselves out of it through "projects" rather than just stopping.

mircea_popescu: point remains : as far as bitcoin is concerned, the thing is as irrelevant as the messages blockchain.info keeps "tagging" transactions with. the people who have no business in bitcoin but for whatever emotional/psychogenic reasons are misrepresented or misrepresenting themselves as involved WILL necessarily find a way out. there's just no way to stay attached if you;'re not attached.

punkman: the basic idea of segwit is not bad, should have been there from the start, without the "softfork" complexity, no ANYONECANPAY-looking crap, without making another merkle tree, without blocksize discounts and enlargements, without planning to use it as a vehicle for future "painless" shitgnovation ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ever since they came up with the idiotic notion of a vulgate, you're stuck playing the calvin. fuck that.

mircea_popescu: i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: speaking of which... we're not expecting a sec investigation, right ? because got better things to do, right ?

assbot: You rated user theymos on 15-Nov-2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: defrauded the tardstalk community by throwing ~half a million dollars worth of BTC at some obscure service provider for kickbacks. a lenghty history of fraudulent behaviour, http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/.

assbot: Segregated Witness, Part 1: How a Clever Hack Could Significantly Increase Bitcoin's Potential | Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE2iLm )

BingoBoingo: And Aaron encouraged the Hebrew people to make a new God of gold rather than Bitcoin while Moses was on Mount Sinai verifying the Godchain https://archive.is/ukHT5

assbot: Segregated Witness, Part 1: How a Clever Hack Could Significantly Increase Bitcoin's Potential : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE2hHm )

punkman: https://github.com/jonasnick/ecdsaPredictableNonce attack against libsec256k1 about a year ago ☟︎

mircea_popescu: had a speaking engagement in the other end of the country, pitching to a huge room full of potential customers. It was an absurd experience. I was crumbling on the inside but had to pose confidently. " << why the fuck ? just... why ? nobody ever asks this. "i had to lie". really ? why did you have to lie ?

mircea_popescu: "My presentation was ok. The mandatory Q&A afterwards was horrible. The only two people in the room that we hadn’t gotten prior support from were skeptical to say the least. As I left the room I was shattered. And as my contact at Accelerace didn’t call me later on that day I knew where it was going. My chairman didn’t either. Not a good sign. I left messages and they didn’t return my calls. In the afternoon I

punkman: BingoBoingo: perhaps a good project for students, dump all the blocks from a therealbitcoin node, verify sigs with python-ecdsa or other

asciilifeform: (and 'rng with whitening' which IS a prng)

mircea_popescu: this is not a conjecture, but a self-evident axiom

punkman: with a single signature leaks the current private key, and with 16 signatures leaks an additional 256 bit secret (e.g. a master private key, with a failure rate of around 1:1000 for 16 signatures, ~1:1e6 for 17 signatures)." interesting

punkman: "I actually have two implementations of example malicious signers: One produces non-deterministic signatures and leaks a 256 bit private key, to the holder of a specific public key and no one else, in ~33 signatures with very high probability (failure rate of 1 in 1000 for 33 signatures, around 1 in a million for 34). The other produces a seemingly RFC 6979 like deterministic signatures and ☟︎

asciilifeform: the up-side of slow and finicky comps was that there was a lower limit to the dev iq and a hard upper limit to code bloat.

mircea_popescu: well a coupla, at any rate.

asciilifeform: anyway ipnohe devs think they have a terrible time, but try being a '90s game dev for consoles

ben_vulpes: there is a big user-friendly button: "run this on my ipnohe or in the simulat0r"

ben_vulpes: there isn't much of a separation of concerns in the ios toolchain.

mircea_popescu: see, NOW we got a good reason not to like it.

asciilifeform: you get the leak in a straightforward way if k is REUSED

asciilifeform: 'Also note that one of the key benefits of using this construction is that you need not worry about a weakness in your PRNG being exploited in the signing process. For example, signing different pieces of data with the same k value instantly leaks your private key. A similar attack can also be exploited if the PRNG is weak enough to determine the relationship between different k values used when signing the same piece of data.

asciilifeform: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/36142 << i am unable to grasp how the claims could possibly be true

mircea_popescu: hence the massive "coding streak" and other "productivity' measures, as if coding is a sort of stationary bicycle and who knows, "maybe you wanna know" aka "your boss does"

asciilifeform: punkman: i am still hard pressed to see how it is anything other than a disastrously bad idea

ben_vulpes: because github is a thing sillyconvalley bizwrapper around a versoncontrolatroncumhoster for people who don't actually want to or know how to use computers

punkman: we had a few threads about deterministic k etc

asciilifeform: aha because we can agree on what a word is

mircea_popescu has a wordcount with references thing for trilema.

asciilifeform: because in cpp a 'function' is a complicated notion

mircea_popescu: and sure, graph would be nice, but just a damned list ? really ?

mircea_popescu: "here's a list of all oither lines where this string appears"

asciilifeform: btw that is the ONLY supported nonce gen fuct ~despite~ a carefully crafted appearance to the contrary

mircea_popescu: "here's a list of filenames"

asciilifeform: each of the latter individually enclosing a totally nonportable turd

asciilifeform: 'portable' on my planet means PORTABLE and not a gaggle of #ifdef's ☟︎

mircea_popescu: Intended to be portable to any system with a C89 compiler and uint64_t support. << a large part of why it'd be large.

asciilifeform dredged through it a while ago, but will not sign anything

asciilifeform: was there a commissar standing, 'add moar codez'

mircea_popescu: PeterL more often than not, a different flavour of stupid.

asciilifeform: except at the end you simply get a new aristocracy

mircea_popescu: "listen you dumb cunt, who the fuck told you must deserve a roof over your head, can't just wash stuff by hand in the river ?"

mircea_popescu: mortgage has actually a very respectable history of unhinging idiots from their own money.

asciilifeform: PeterL: there is also a large group of people trying to convince anybody who will listen how great afterlife is

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assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 18:20:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347241 << the thing scammers never tell the scamee is that investing is a professional activity. no fucking exceptions. ☟︎

PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347457 << there is a large group of people (mortgage originators, real-estate agents, etc) trying to convince people how amazing a mortgage is ☝︎

asciilifeform: phun phakt: a conforming ada implementation has ~internal bignum~ BUT won't let you use it for anything constructive.

asciilifeform: punkman: there was one, at one point i even cleaned it up a bit and posted to trb ml. BUT i was never actually able to get it to work

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shinohai: !rate liquidassets 1 welcome to #b-a

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asciilifeform for some reason pictures a variation on 'intercal'

asciilifeform idly wonders what a caliphate-approved programming system might look like

asciilifeform: IF I CAN'T READ IT IN AN EVENING it is a turd ☟︎

asciilifeform: polarssl - also a turd

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mircea_popescu: well, at least it's a [mostly] different one.

mircea_popescu: just making the point that he's got a single appendage, still sticks it into strange.

mircea_popescu: dja have a ru equiv ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for an accurate analogy, it has to be on a planet where dentata exist

mircea_popescu: what would it take for you to plug your only penis in the folds of a new hussy ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wot sig.

mircea_popescu: but yes it would, in typical manner of the shitgnomerism that it is, exist solely as a leech-wrapper on something else.

asciilifeform: what, approximately, would it take for mircea_popescu to plug in a replacement for openssl in a live battlefield btctron of his own ?

mircea_popescu: jurov introducing various crashes along the way and a whole pile of complex strange.

mircea_popescu: anyway. the thing leaks like a sieve.

asciilifeform: which indeed has such a thing

mircea_popescu: wasn't it a "special" thing with memory protection ?

mircea_popescu: in a thoroughly tangential tangent : CRYPTO_malloc is likely as porous as thin gauze.

asciilifeform: and move a perfectly legit node into pederasty vis a vis another node

asciilifeform: it is also a perfectly good simulation of a planet without reddit

mircea_popescu: ie, a perfectly solid solution to the problem of tx price.

mircea_popescu: bitchslapping the redditards "we need free shit because that's what we're worth" is one thing. actually making txn cost what they cost is a whole other can of whipass.

jurov: even a filesystem won't get much better