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asciilifeform: i dunno that we actually disagree, lol
mircea_popescu can't summon the interest in the instant case, but by all means.
asciilifeform: whereas when i say 'this box is oscillator' it has a rigorous meaning. it means that i can draw the spectrum, and it is peaky.
mircea_popescu: if you say something to mp, you also can't immediately say what he'll respond, but this is actually interesting, as opposed to the clock jitter, mechanical jumps of chair etc.
asciilifeform: motl is a loaded die tho. q is, loaded how. and does it have clinical implications for others.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which was the source of my original, "how do you distinguish this item of furniture from your chair"
mircea_popescu: your usage of it is defensible, but to declare it a clock seems a little much.
asciilifeform: in the sense where my chair is rng.
asciilifeform: i meant in the sense where e.g. the clock crystal on the fg, is not itself an rng. even tho it has jitter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he's evidently not useful. but he's not a logic gate, either. he's certainly not human. the fundamental identification/classification of "i will deliver result X through randomly chosen path each time" is... rng. at least to my mind. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 02:12 mircea_popescu: this is why on the long term they always either "delete" their blogs to start over, or else become insanely trite (and then "give up").
mircea_popescu: what is it, i don't get it. yes, but that's evidently not the interesting part nor can it. hence the original, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772909 ☝︎
asciilifeform: not one that you'd want to use as an rng, at any rate.
asciilifeform: it ain't an rng if i can compress the output .
mircea_popescu: so this definitionally makes him a meat rng then ?
asciilifeform: it's an arse-mouth hose. 'west' is where 'capitalism', 'capitalism' is what they do in 'west'.
mircea_popescu: because it seems to me you just said he is.
mircea_popescu: when you say "not meat rng", how do you base this ?
asciilifeform: motl is not a meat rng tho. d00d suffers from a clearly identifiable fixation, 'the west' (tm)(r) where there is a 'capitalism' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: same problem manifests with the pantsuit mendacious little shits as with any larger system built on the same basis.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-31 16:27 mircea_popescu: the important point here is that there can be NO retrospective read of the history of ideas in any actual discipline that is both a) longer than epsilon and b) fails to discover the PRINCIPAL bar to discovery is personal dishonesty.
mircea_popescu: recall at some point was some pompous asshole locklin, "scientist" ? there's no end conceivable of supply. once one swallows the "always has choice" usg pill, that one becomes this. it's inescapable. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: or of saying anything useful or meaningful, either. orlov similar example, but at least he cycles the topics. one day -- expert on boats, next day -- expert on firearms, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: yarvin opted for the latter ; this one may be too thick to notice yet, or whatever, i've not looked.
asciilifeform: dun seem to show any signs of exhaustion.
mircea_popescu: this is why on the long term they always either "delete" their blogs to start over, or else become insanely trite (and then "give up"). ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 02:46 asciilifeform: but to display ~existing~ test failures in predictor-algorithm form
asciilifeform: if i observed an actual ( per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660274 thread ) , vs merely hallucinated -- would demand explanation yes ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: he's saying the things that could be said, some fraction thereof, as a function of the possibility of saying and no more. other exactly identical items are saying other fractions, and will continue to do so. to credit this is that long discussed error, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but you're not frankly sitting there and asking for explanation of perceived patterns in fg output.
asciilifeform: 'think' is not the word.
mircea_popescu: you actually suspect motl can think in any sense different from fg plugged in can think ? why ?
mircea_popescu: in what way do you feel closer to this particular item of furniture than to your own chair ?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why rational behaviour would be expected, or rational explanation for misbehaviour would be demanded of items that clearly lack either agency or reflective capacity.
mircea_popescu: it was there.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, orlov lives on a moored boat, and this dood lives in rms's quarters.
asciilifeform: why does he fellate 'the west' then.
mircea_popescu: not the parsimonious hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: but yes, broadly speaking, who has any interest in them and their flow of made for tv snacks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cheques consisting of remarkably very little. most of these hopefuls live in the most abject poverty, made palatable to them by their idiocy and the abject poverty surrounding every aspect of their life.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the "inteligentsia" as it dreams itself has meanwhile redefined intellectual discourse to equate the above wank.
mircea_popescu: it's a cheap if useless mental trick, very substantially the same as http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-37.0 ; a certain sort of safe (ie, improductive) activity as a cover for impotence.
asciilifeform: for so long as the cheques come in the mail, d00d can imagine whatever he likes, neh
mircea_popescu: like the unhappy girls of usgistan, these misfortunate trannies imagine they "have the options" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway. dork imagines he has some sort of cachet, exactly like orlov, exactly like all the branding idiots. what keeps eg http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aweev from productive obedience is exactly the same fundamental problem.
asciilifeform: i suspect that most of these folx are.. physiologically incapable of touching a subj that hasn't been tonywashed.
mircea_popescu: inb4 "tony told me today something about sex with girls under 12" in another decade or so.
mircea_popescu: fucking tony. to quote from recent trilema, "And obviously it will then become, suddenly and unexplainably, a "native" topic of conversation ailleurs, specifically in such ESL ailleurs as may "coincidentally" but necessarily "forget" to mention where they even discovered this may be a topic of conversation in the first place. Oy vey.."
mircea_popescu: "Tony told me I was a statist because I am a critic of the Bitcoin. Tony isn't the only man who has raised this accusation."
asciilifeform: linked strictly for the flavour of crackpottery afaik not seen elsewhere, 'imaginary 1950s Greatest Generation anticommie usa' vs 'bolshevik bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: whatever, whoever is dumb enough to imagine john smith invented religion is called "ustard" for a reason.
mircea_popescu: but all the pretense that "today matters -- after all i was born", as if this isn't well settled 2014 fare, and http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/ never occured, and so on... he's really REALLY late to the max keiser show.
mircea_popescu: it's little more than a restatement of ye olde, dearest dream of all nigger, "we'll get in later anyway:" ☟︎
mircea_popescu very much will refuse to consider random fucktards who spent 2012 going "oh, who pays for mpex seats" in the hope that "hey, i'll weasel my way back in through peripheral commentary anyway" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: they all parasitize some topic or other. obama is a constitutional law scholar or how did it go.
asciilifeform: currently ~100% usg talkingpoints re btc.
asciilifeform: i had this vague memory that he used to write about physics
mircea_popescu: wasn't ever much more than alt-flavour "rational" w/e pantsuit flavour
asciilifeform: the economy while Ripple or the Bitcoin doesn't.'
asciilifeform: from his commentreplies, also gold, e.g. '...People who despise Western national fiat currencies are dirty fucked-up commies of the same kind that has plundered my country. I just won't ever support their goal, they're scum for me. Do you get it? Relatively to these important things, whether the replacement is called Ripple or Rouble is just a technicality. It's the same shit except that rouble actually works as a viable currency for
asciilifeform: his apparent conflict between the regular banks and meaningless cryptocurrency exchanges; in the conflict between the system with regular banks that has worked for centuries and an ideologically driven replacement that isn't used in the real legal economy because it obviously cannot work well...' etc
asciilifeform: 'The ISPs and commercial banks are parts of the capitalist economy and a systemic attack against them is obviously a systemic attack against capitalism – real-world capitalism – as such. Maybe it's because my position in the formative years – I considered myself a builder of the new capitalist economy including the old-fashioned brick-and-mortar commercial banks – but I just wouldn't hesitate for a second whom I root for in t
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772185 << teh process of effervescent vitriol that passes for review here + the natural intimidatiacy result in very finely polished items, to my delight. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: dude... nobody gives a shit now, ever will, or ever fucking has given a shit about your retarded usg idiocy. wake up and smell the coffee, jesus fucking christ, it's like watching imbecile african mamies with dirty bare feet and stupid headgarbs drone importantly about what-they-remember the preacher said in church.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 21:41 asciilifeform: 'Cyber space is an increasingly risky discourse and therefore will inevitably be securitised.' << exactly what i said: usg stuffed shirt.
mircea_popescu: there's a natural tendency to do the right thing that needs lengthy and elaborate stamping out before you get the full blown jwz.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 21:33 trinque: if so, how did folks this corrupt build anything worth having?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772104 << they were young and stupid yet. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: his ~10 mn retirement went to a home in martha's vineyard and supposedly some memoirs to come.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't get real time reportz on his desk when they croak..
mircea_popescu: does that ancient cretinetti still exist btw ?
mircea_popescu: this is about as likely as imagining john kerry is a better dresser at home than when sardined with orcs for publicity photos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly moar under the table
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772096 << that contract is worth ~diddly squat. iirc the (utterly unimpressive) fiatola figures were quoted in log. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: o, building they do. maintenance, not so much.
asciilifeform: but easily can believe that in walmartfuckistan -- not inspected.
asciilifeform: muchly depends where. literally few blox from asciilifeform , bridge is being recemented. and not far from there, a brand new one built.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the romans also regularly inspected, for 90% of their history, both bridges and aqueducts (not so different in ther practice, items). stopped late 300s.
asciilifeform: but typical 'coast' amerid00d gives exactly 0 fucks what the roads, or bread, or anything , are like in oklahomistan.
shinohai: Drive through rural Alabama sometimes.
asciilifeform: always ~was~ dodgy at the edges
mircea_popescu: already crumbling at the edges.
asciilifeform: the 1 item that still ~worx to spec in usa : roads. sorta like bread in ye olde su. it is a symbol of imperial 'mandate of heaven'
mircea_popescu: granted, the idiots here are something else -- they did everything up to but excluding the asphalt cover. an exercise in "how to spend 95% of the cost to get 3% of the benefit"
mircea_popescu: well... car spent one hour on asphaltless road, lost two tyres. not fucking acceptabru.
asciilifeform: ( and yes i have a manometer , and one of those small pumps )
asciilifeform: somehow asciilifeform's tyres hold pressure for yr+
mircea_popescu: i want 200km pitstops for the car like i want fat old women in my livingroom.
mircea_popescu: ill get tubes in whatever the fuck i fucking want them. but yes, they try not to sell them anymore.
shinohai: (in latest trilema)
shinohai: Heh, curious you mention that about tires, never thought of it until now mircea_popescu, but bicycle wheels are the only place you can still get an inner tube afaik.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:47 asciilifeform: to be fair the company was not really a honest commercial co, moar like one of those unofficial usg research institutes, they proliferated under reagan and died with him
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772041 << quite this. symbolics had the distinction of marketing inept to the amplitude of apple's, except negative. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:43 fromloper: so there is at least one possible address, gotta try it
a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:32 fromloper: yeah, somehow a lot of potentially interesting people on social media end up mostly posting this kind of crap
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1772007 <<< they went to "social media" aka sv wankpost rather than eg, came here, for a reason, after all. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( and motorcycle , tractor, bus , tire -- still tubed afaik errywhere )
asciilifeform: pretty sure you can get tubed tires in usa.
mircea_popescu: and what people who aren't imperial majesties themselves will do i have nfi.