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BingoBoingo: And passed the 24 hour mark so at tonight's meeting I can report the last 24 went bien
caaddr: thanks trinque
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 13:23 diana_coman: I really can't begin to understand what exactly is that; some gems in there too with organisation making silk-purse out of a sow's ear and "every participant has the option to be that player" and ...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773923 << well, i suspect they're countrymen. weren't they both from lebanon or somesuch ? ☝︎☟︎
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S28aJ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: d00d prolly went to bed
trinque: I will be willing to import a key with the same parameters, but marked as E
asciilifeform: but yes gpg is retarded and no there isn't an easy workaround afaik other than to feed it what it wants
trinque: so, fix that
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu: it's little more than a restatement of ye olde, dearest dream of all nigger, "we'll get in later anyway:"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 01:57 mircea_popescu very much will refuse to consider random fucktards who spent 2012 going "oh, who pays for mpex seats" in the hope that "hey, i'll weasel my way back in through peripheral commentary anyway"
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 13:19 diana_coman: wtf Taleb's"foreword to the book by Saifedean Ammous" on medium.com apparently: https://medium.com/@nntaleb/bitcoin-1537e616a074#---0-337
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773921 << the entire taleb & friends circle, reminds me inescapably of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772872 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1772873 . ☝︎☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: the trb treatment.
asciilifeform: ave1: we're doomed to eventually fork it and tune out the heathens forever.
asciilifeform: ave1: this in re gnat ?
ave1: also, the number of changed lines between release is very large (way too large for maintenance). It probably does not get better in later releases, just different.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774136 << Different pieces of proccess run at different intervals (longest interval being 1 hour). I'd estimate an average of ~2 hours for link to appear in searchable db after dropping in chan. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( for ~newer~ gnats, MAYBE, if somebody ever comes up with any reason to )
asciilifeform: and yes i'ma keep having'em, and no i'm not ever going to sign and distribute a mutilated and restriction-weakened version just for old gnats.
ave1: Yes on restrict.adc plus it's the inline pragma that did not work for earlier FFA (adacore 2014).
a111: Logged on 2016-01-11 17:02 ascii_butugychag: the few precious things that ACTUALLY WORK, consistently, every time - your cpu's adder, the bus, etc. SHIT on postel.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-14 14:25 asciilifeform: did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?
asciilifeform: gnat has a deliberately brittle behaviour re the restriction pragmas -- if you use one it doesn't know about, it barfs. ( and i'm not even convinced that this is wrong. half of the appeal of ada is that it takes 'postel's law', rips off its head, and fucks the stump ) ☟︎
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 16:04 ave1: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970, it seems that gcc simply lags behind and a releases version will never be updated / fixed to newer adacore releases. AdaCore 2014 also cannot build FFA from the box
asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774137 << re the 2014 : any particular reason aside from the contents of restrict.adc and the gpr's flags ? ☝︎
asciilifeform doesn't 'fix that's either
trinque: ftr I will never "fix that". noob either says exactly what he did and helps me reproduce it, or gets ignored. I'm not comcast customer support.
asciilifeform: trinque: loox like that was it, lol.
asciilifeform: what am i missing, trinque ?
asciilifeform: how does this square with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773965 ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( no expir date, or the like )
asciilifeform: there doesn't appear to be anything peculiar about his key.
trinque: how many times have noobs said deedbot didn't work, and how many times have they been right?
trinque: maybe he can use his words and say what he tried
asciilifeform: trinque: any idea why caaddr wasn't able to !!up himself, despite having been rated ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:53 caaddr: thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself
mod6: yeah, i know. :] just want to test it first.
asciilifeform: mod6: it's the pill for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773848 . ☝︎
mod6: asciilifeform: noted. i'll update it once i get a chance to test whatever this is ^
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 15:23 deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1774125 << phf neato. mod6 : prolly this oughta go instead of the old one, in trb www. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ave1: it still is quite unclear to me, why 'gcc-gnat' exists.
ave1: nobody outside of adacore seems to work on gnat GCC, so yes single version...
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:19 asciilifeform: and also i think at this point i will declare gpl-gnat to be a work of wreckers. it has zero upsides over adacore's, and a million breakages , large and small.
ave1: re: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-22#1773970, it seems that gcc simply lags behind and a releases version will never be updated / fixed to newer adacore releases. AdaCore 2014 also cannot build FFA from the box ☝︎☟︎
mod6: it's not in there yet, but this is so awesome.
mod6: it was a royal pita to get it to work... hopefully what I've posted here will work for you, others.
mod6: so in that case the hard nofile limit for root gets set to 2000000, and the soft to 1500000 and hanbot's get set to 1000000 each hard/soft. And then that one line is required in common-session.
mod6: hanbot: here's what I have currently running on an Ubuntu 14.04 box. I believe this to be all that is required, you can change the values as required, but I think one catch that I found is that root's ulimit needed to be set just a bit higher than the non-root user.
deedbot: http://107.170.141.103/2018/vdiff-fixes/ << BARKS IN THE WIND - vdiff fixes ☟︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 02:16 mod6: asciilifeform: my gprbuild threw some errors like "invalid restriction identifier "No_Implicit_Protected_Object_Allocations"" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKdvZ/?raw=true
mod6: <+caaddr> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745440 << fwiw, in the end the version that worked for me, requiring no changes to alf's code was Adacore 2016. ☝︎
asciilifeform: it led to microshit, konsoomerization, 'eternal september', all of these 'joys' that we still live in.
asciilifeform: the microcomputer was a massive step back, not merely technically ( that'd be fixable ) but sociopolitically. ☟︎
caaddr: so you're saying it's even worse than I thought? ;)
caaddr: wasn't the treap invented in the 1980s?
asciilifeform: ( transistor massage is not 'discovery' )
caaddr: sure, but I'm just lamenting the negative differential of the progress curve. what are the big discoveries since 1990?
asciilifeform: hey and 'we have plumbing' but 'we' still shit between two bricks on the ground. in rural redit^H^H^Hindia that is
caaddr: instead we have... what do we have? we have the blockchain but we're still using dns. we have common lisp but we're still using scheme, or, worse, clojure. we have ada but we're using rust. "we" being "we the people", as in the redditoid masses
asciilifeform: or what existed on the bus, and where, also unknown
asciilifeform: the bolix arch itself, was never publicly documented. even something like the instruction set, is not fully known publicly
caaddr: anyway, see how sad the state of affairs is? we can't even reproduce the technology of the early 1980s, whereas we ought to have had nearly three decades now of advancement in this area
asciilifeform: worse is that we have nfi what the actual work of the fep ( other than in very approximate terms ) was
phf: shit, try cold booting a genera system, rebuilding the FEP, etc. you'll discover that those are non-trivial tasks requiring expert knowledge. that knowledge can be gained from what we have though, but it'll take you weeks or months to get there
asciilifeform: caaddr: it was ordinary genera, but came with a dec alpha emulator for the machine
caaddr: oh, that was OpenGenera too, the RISCised version
phf: all these things are reddit available "oh i saw link and played with it". try ~actually~ ~rebuilding~ a genera system from source code
asciilifeform: caaddr: torrent was an install disk. with partial source.
caaddr: I thought I torrented a full system once upon a time
phf: caaddr: my personal issue with resurrecting all these lisp machine architectures is that Genera really is the only interesting platform to build upon, and there's not enough source/details available ~at all~ to actually rebuild a genera system from first principles.
caaddr: even the power *switches*
asciilifeform: erything else thinks it has the right to do whatever .
asciilifeform: the only actual standard in whole fucking machine is the mains cord. ☟︎☟︎
caaddr: fun story: I tried to use vdiff with the busybox version of awk. this did not end with smiles and sunshine and laughter
caaddr: thanks. hope trinque can fix that. I did try "!!up" again myself ☟︎
caaddr: presumably it hasn't changed from this, phf? http://deedbot.org/deed-372115-1.txt
asciilifeform: the problem with attempting to resurrect 1980s 'big iron' designs, however, is the unavailability of various formerly common ( and quite painful to emulate items ), e.g.,
asciilifeform: caaddr: if it's gone from the net, i'll stand up a mirror ( as soon as i have where to; currently between isps )
caaddr: would like to find it, did not know about it
asciilifeform: it does not add up to a working machine.
asciilifeform: caaddr: some yrs ago, i convinced marshall to publish all he had
caaddr: "After a period of time, when no investors were found, the material assets of Gigamos, including the K-machine board sets, specifications, schematics, and printed circuit artwork were sold for salvage to Eli Hefron and Sons in Cambridge, MA. I purchased these materials from Eli Hefron and Sons and they are currently in my possession."
caaddr: "Unlike other Lisp Machines, the K-machine is not descended from Tom Knight's original CONS architecture; the K-machine is an original design."
asciilifeform: lmi iirc never was able to build even one unit of their non-cadr machine
caaddr: it's this that I was thinking of:
phf: lmi also stayed closer to CADR for longer. at the very least later versions of S
asciilifeform: well they sold cadr clone
asciilifeform: caaddr: they shipped massive box of discretes .
asciilifeform: caaddr: afaik not fully published ( in the can build fab immediately sense ) either
caaddr: and then there was Chuck's OKAD...
asciilifeform: and that reason is mit. and mallery.
asciilifeform: there's a reason why no sane ic layout, photoprocessing, etc tools exist today, and whole stack is a TB+ of winblowz liquishit for which foundries get charged $mils
phf: oh sure in a sense that daedalus was part of the IP packet
asciilifeform: what i meant is, betcha the daedalus tool ended up mit'd and 'licensed' out for money etc . and ended up going down with the bolix ship.
asciilifeform: nope, the bolix ns
phf: daedalus and ns are completely unrelated pieces. NS is an older tool for laying out PALs