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ben_vulpes: sometimes they even work!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes check this out, http://trilema.com/2017/the-sexy-problem-formalized/#comment-124338
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 23:26 asciilifeform: what are ~all~ of the places where A has the ecstasy, but B does the laundry, where A!=B
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
asciilifeform: iirc it recurred, as 'responsibility triangle' in later thread, and then once again as the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 mega-problem ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me this sexy problem item says what dijkstra was belabouring to say above, except a) correctly and b) fucking briefly.
mircea_popescu followed a link, ended up on this trilema blog, is reading some holy shit wtf model of insanity is this.
shinohai: I got "we need futurama suicide booths" out of that.
ben_vulpes: well i'm terribly outta shape, will spell theses out better
asciilifeform: kept looking for a thesis, and didn't find
asciilifeform: i confess that i eggoged on this article
mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, but it's not what you say there!
ben_vulpes: why stop in the womb is what i'm driving at
mircea_popescu: this is like saying guillotining the neck rather than the mandible or the shoulderblades is completely arbitrary. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: fixed ty
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yer 'there's a way to go yet' link is borked
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/the-scourge-of-abortion-in-equalitarian-cultures << CH - The Scourge of Abortion in Equalitarian Cultures
mircea_popescu: well, at least the demand is explicitly present, better than nothing.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-24 03:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-23#1774906 << publish it sometime ; and also since on this trinque i'd like to use whatever wot.deedbot uses to spit the round svg graph to make a "trilema article links" thing. can i get it somewhere ?
ben_vulpes: phf: i too have reproduced your vdiff fix for the too many open files, log is at http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NQg1z/?raw=true
asciilifeform in the midst of fairly hefty conversion of '5000 log frags' to proper blogotronic text -- in re ffa . but ffa is in this respect substantially simpler item; it is not a mega-mystery how to do arithmetic.
mircea_popescu: all nice and good, especially if you're not the prince...
mircea_popescu: v is esentially found today as an enchanted castle surrounded by 5000 rakes upon which the prince is welcome to step, and once he stepped he can come to us and by the shape in his forehead we can describe the rake he stepped on. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but even if one could say "well,premature to write a v compendium, not yet even stable yet", the greater point remains. there's been a dispute of tabs and spaces in the logs. nowhere else. how would one know to look ? there's been a dispute of alphabets and trees and MANY Things that constitute the "Subtle" in the above "subtle chjanges each month".
asciilifeform: on one end phf , trinque on other
asciilifeform: only a matter of time.
asciilifeform: but more generally the lipstick-on-pig incarnation of 'let's wrap gnupatch/gnudiff' is doomed to be retired
asciilifeform: hanbot: i'd like to know how you got '.orig'. afaik this only happens when merging is enabled. no vtron i know of , enables it
ben_vulpes: i have never seen this wonder myself
mircea_popescu: so polarbeard made the patches "wrongly". fine, it happens to be true. how is it verified ?
hanbot: here's an example: i've made a genesis of mp-wp by vdiffing against an empty dir of the same name; this when pressed results in all desired files + copy of each file appended with ".orig". leaving aside that i don't even currently know why the fuck this happened, never seen it before in a press: i don't even know what to point out to ascertain that this is in fact NOT what is supposed to occur! if i was teaching a girl to do it, and she were the
mircea_popescu: amusingly, sorta how "born in the usa" turned into "made in us"
mircea_popescu: here's one example : he calls it "the most serene republic of bitcoin", which was the style at the time. but in practice we omit the bitcoin part most often than not don't we.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/thread.html#161 << the earliest materials .
mircea_popescu: the item is actually years old, and in point of fact the semantic content of eg "v" has changed, if subtly, almost each month since then.
asciilifeform: hey hanbot , wanna write the Troo Vtronic Likbez ?
asciilifeform: and afaik the answ is nope
asciilifeform: ( other than the l0gz )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think the q was, whether this is put into writing properly somewhere.
ben_vulpes: a genesis is just a vpatch against the null codebase, results in pure additions and antecedents of false throughout.
hanbot: if i want to understand what a genesis is, how it is made, independent of trb, say
asciilifeform: hanbot: afaik it's still even today the state of the art v-likbez.
hanbot: i've read this.
hanbot: despite high volume of high quality lit on V, if i want a frank discussion of just it (technically rather'n politically, if we presume these can be separated, and esp re geneses rather'n patchworx), not crystal clear where i'm going to go --no single exhaustive repository, etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : they're getting $7150, should cover whatever fees / maybe a little leftover. 0.63202778 goes on your books on the right side. ☟︎
asciilifeform: there is not so much any more of 'called in general'. tho i do get occasional wardialer to this day.
mircea_popescu: well, actually, they risk being shaken down for not doing it.
mircea_popescu: this is a later phase than what he's discussing.
asciilifeform: ( they traditionally make sure to )
asciilifeform: also fwiw ~every spammer i ever heard through a phone, knew my name
asciilifeform: ( nao on other hand you couldn't simply roto-dial to him )
mircea_popescu closes the page and sets bozo bit on dijkstra.
mircea_popescu: how can he be this fucking stupid ?
mircea_popescu: "In what we denote as "primitive societies", the superstition that knowing someone's true name gives you magic power over him is not unusual. We are hardly less primitive: why do we persist here in answering the telephone with the most unhelpful "hello" instead of our name?" << motherfucker. because if we TELL the name instead of hello, we therefore have no resources left to verify whether the other party called us or just ca
mircea_popescu: will eat my left foot will eat. legions do not cross the rubicon because the "emperor" knows full well they'll join the barbarians the next night. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it never quite made sense to me, from my admittedly distant and dark perch, why lizard hitler ~not~ yet dared. it ain't as if he'd have to eat the lead himself.
mircea_popescu: well, you know what the default reason is. "they would, if they dared".
asciilifeform: i suspect that main enemy of mircea_popescu's weapons systems is tropical damp, rust. the other enemy seems to prefer 'soft' liquishit to actual action, for whatever reason.
mircea_popescu: any time they're ready, bring it.
shinohai: Well, republic needs missles too.
mircea_popescu: either that or jerusalem. something.
mircea_popescu: as the saying goes, "and next year -- we launch rockets"
asciilifeform: shinohai: lulzy, but seems to be rerun ( or was there a piece recently entirely like this one, but with differently named muppet )
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey, i spent more on weapons systems than computers this year, for the first time since republic.
mircea_popescu: i deplore the archeologists of the future ; for whatever they do they shall be wrong.
mircea_popescu: lobbes o check that out, she had it all along!
asciilifeform likes to go to , watch , these parades, they are held every year not so far from where asciilifeform lives
mircea_popescu: the pic linked at some point, with the two sluts being fucked on bikes in the 60s, was remarkable specifically because those two guys might've been the yhoungest bike owners in history.
asciilifeform: the ones seen at parades -- old. but i suspect they dun much vroom, or otherwise the statistic would do its work neh
mircea_popescu: there's no 19yo biker. there's mostly 50-something war veteran.
asciilifeform: and likewise all the things he undeplored
mircea_popescu: well, all the things he deplores are also old.
mircea_popescu: really ? where's the disconnect in this brain ?
mircea_popescu: do you picture him better going to academia in the same continous way, and faffing about "o, radical nvoelties" ?
lobbesbot: Logged on 2016-01-23 23:05:59: <diana_coman> I suppose on really short ones there isn't enough time for all the faffing about anyway; the io thing is 100secs in my books
lobbes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-23.log.html#t23:05:59 << oh hey. looks like diana_coman actually wins 'faff' title - jan 2016!
mircea_popescu: dont' give me the "woulda but couldn't". fucktarded bikers had their own republic.
asciilifeform: what kind of republic ought e.g. dijkstra to have declared ? a meatspace venetian one ?
mircea_popescu: "how to program if you cannot" is an absolutely fine soundbyte ; and correctly descriptive. but reading the stuff it is mouted in, i can't help but think maybe he meant something entirely else than what it self-evidently means.
asciilifeform: errrytime mircea_popescu says this, i find myself trying to picture a pre-bitcoin republic, and end up with mental eggog
mircea_popescu: other than saying so and starting a republic.
asciilifeform: but never afaik dared to state the entire case directly.
asciilifeform: with the degree of magnitude faster/more capacitous comp , it is ~stupidity~, in the form of complexicrud, that accumulates fatally. and , worst of all, dijkstra knew this
mircea_popescu: instead he mentions that some guy said nobody will ever run a 5 second 100m.
asciilifeform: as it is, there is very little for it in his article to stand up on
asciilifeform: difference in degree becomes a difference in kind. dijkstra imho oughta have mentioned the cable, to stand up his argument
mircea_popescu: (quite literal example, impedance is the EXACT name of resistance of medium to em )
asciilifeform: entirely different physical effects ( and exacerbated by the pitiful insulation of the period ) over the distance involved.
mircea_popescu: this is substantially fine ; but as presented it's a jumble of disjoints. resistance of the medium is in there, but not alone.
mircea_popescu: ie they expected a continuous process where n osuch thing was available ?
mircea_popescu: yes but how do you conenct this ?
asciilifeform: cable, at astonishing expense, was laid; and soon afterwards destroyed by overvoltaging. the operators had nfi that impedance exists, 'book larnin'', and were not satisfied with ~1 baud signal rate , upped the volts...
mircea_popescu: there is ~something~ there being parasitized by all the nonsense, but it is screamingly NOT what he tries to make it be.
asciilifeform: the cable was destroyed as a result of a very typically 'anglotard' chain of errors; entirely like the microcomp
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, his nonsensical discussion of radical novelties has one effect and one effect only : to drive the pantsuit narrative.
mircea_popescu: this is not an isolated flaw : his notion that "oh, those dumb spanyards who didn't think at university" is a typically ustardian misretelling of counter-imagined history.
asciilifeform: imho better analogy is what happened to telegraphers. recall the fate of the first transatlantic cable ?
mircea_popescu: applying the "o noes, computer is much faster now" meme as if it meant something only drives home the nonsensical view that "computer is faster". which it fucking isn't, computer of today is well slower than computer of 1980.
mircea_popescu: one's in the winter and the other's in the ocean are the important considerations there.
mircea_popescu: there's no substantial difference "that has to be accounted for" between bridging the san francisco bay and bridging the mostly dry three metre wide obscure rivulet in ontario that are due to "hey, 3 degrees of magnitude distance ! 12 degrees of magnitude water debit!!" etcetera nonsense.