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mircea_popescu: and it looks like we're paying 10 cents a Watt, so
that settles
that score.
mircea_popescu: aite. so i say publish as is, but replace
the addresses with ***.
juhoitse: Im
trying
to learn slowly but surely about all
these cryptothings
diana_coman: juhoitse, I suggest you
try making some btc directly in eulora; at least
there you can't lose more
than you have
juhoitse: As a finn I have
the immunity
to hard liqour but I've lost my social skills as a consequence
juhoitse: Getting a job soon so gonna have some money
to invest as well
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "why did you bring your cat
to school, joey ?" "because as i was leaving daddy said
to mommy he's gonna eat
that pussy once joey leaves for school ;/"
juhoitse: Well I
think I want
to get
to into bitcoin some more
juhoitse: I'm finishing high school at
the moment, going
to study engineering in a uni hopefully soon
mircea_popescu: well, what work / studying do you do,
that sorta
thing.
juhoitse: Not really anyone special, what do you want
to know about me?
mircea_popescu: juhoitse so who might you be, other
than dpb's friend ?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782057 <<
the principal difference being
that other
than holding down a high responsibility
tech job with a significant on-call component, ~the woman~ is also raising a child. with
the flu and everything. yet somehow her shit is still dribbling out on
thursdays,
today as nine weeks ago.
☝︎ BingoBoingo: Also after contract is deturded, sometime
today a post reflecting on dos meses.
mircea_popescu: check it out
trinque even better
than originally
thought. i forgot about
the setup fees.
BingoBoingo returns
to formating
tables in plaintext in
the anexes
BingoBoingo: Deturding
the contract now. Re:
the weekly number
the 7150 included
two one
time setup charges so (900+250)*1.22=1403 of
the 7150 sum sent is not going
to be recurring. Months 2
through 23 of
the contract are 2834.06 each after VAT.
mircea_popescu: and,
to be sure, if you do manage
to fill it, and if it does make good dough, i'll be just as happy for you
to get a nice villa and import your own german car and diddle all
the uruguayan hos you can find. so...
mircea_popescu: hey, if we pull
this off i'll be just as happy as you.
BingoBoingo: Thank you for
the numbers and
the opportunity.
mircea_popescu: so your cost basis per shared host would be like $100 weekly, nothing short of a license
to print dough.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for clerical record :
the per-month amortisation value of a $1300 box is 1300/12 (ie, we deem
them obsolete in one year) ; consequently
the retail monthly cost of a $1300 box is 1300/12*2 = 216.666666667 ; or
the weekly exactly 50.
mircea_popescu: so, let me know if you're interested in buying some newegg/amazon/whatever for
this, danielpbarron pete_dushenski whosoever else.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, as
to everyone else :
today's
the 6th.
the plan is
to continue discussing
the spec given above, for improvements/refinements/whatever until
the 8th ; at which point we start ordering.
there's about 15k fiats worth of gear being contemplated, and i'm more
than willing
to spread it around a few people who want some cheap coins.
mircea_popescu: so ~in principle~, you can end up very profitable. what's needed is a good system for shared hosting, and hounding
the low end forums/whatever.
mircea_popescu: then
there's 5 * 41.25 * 7 ~= 1500 from racking
the five. if you get say another five items
to rack from other folk,
that's 3k.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo :
the logic is, ima want 5 of
the dozen ;
the rest could each at least in principle support 100 "shared" sorta sites each, at $20 a month or whatever you end up charging.
that's, if you manage
to fill up
the lot, $14`000 per month in revenue.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you gonna be
there
to pick him up when he lands yes ? << I can be if he asks. From
there
the plan is proceed
to
the cowork and unpack
the equipment.
BingoBoingo: From
there
the actual customs x-ray station and
the lines for said station is around a U shaped bend. Usually
they apathetically wave people
through,
the more foreign appearing without being India/Chinese generally
the less interest
they have.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo aite on
the power and rack cages scores. any
tips you want
to share with phf ? how's
teh suitcase ppls do it ? <<
They pad
things as appropriate, but
they discard
the original packaging. Also it is important
to grab a customs form,
they are on
the wall on
the right once you exit
the duty free store zone, on
the opposite side of
the space is
the baggage claim.
mircea_popescu sees no problem whatsoever in paying 0.22 * 12 * 120+50 = 366.8 vat if it gets
the pile across.
mircea_popescu: intel
thinking at
the
time being is, "have
the paperwork for mbs and chips in slot 1 ; paperwork for disks in slot 2 ; for ram in slot 3.
then if asked for papers, present slot 1, offer
to pay, whine and ask for discounts, etc. if
that dun pass, add slot 2, whine more insistently."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aite on
the power and rack cages scores. any
tips you want
to share with phf ? how's
teh suitcase ppls do it ?
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 01:36 mircea_popescu: well
the whole
thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over
the chan as it stands
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, if
trinque , phf , et al , grasp mircea_popescu's pov, and
think ' asciilifeform is idjit ' , invited
to explain
to asciilifeform . <<
The problem of where
to post was
the easy part of
the ask. Especially in light of
the growing napkin doodle problem
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780678 ☝︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well apparently
this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract
that you signed not online ? where's
the wattage ? etc. << Will deturd and publish
today
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo does
the dc provide
the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have
to be carried from overseas also ? << Inquiry sent, with a
timeline (i.e. can be had next week)
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into
this pricing scheme? << I did not in
that draft under
the presumption
taxes are another salary.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally,
this rack is 19 inch or 23 inch ? << 19 inch
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo phf
trinque diana_coman so i'm
thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared
to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i
thinkl
that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? << Sounds a hell of a lot beefier
than
the Qntra server.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If
the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't
there at least another 50% on
top of
the 22% VAT. Looking at
the advertisements here
https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears
there is a brisk business of people doing
the suitcase
thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:31 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If
the paper declaring it an import with a value isn't
there at least another 50% on
top of
the 22% VAT. Looking at
the advertisements here
https://listado.mercadolibre.com.uy/samsung-ssd#D[A:samsung ssd] it appears
there is a brisk business of people doing
the suitcase
thing.
mircea_popescu: now
then, considering
that config :
the fx-8350 is ~120 bux ;
the ASRock 970M PRO3 is like $50 ; 4 x 16GB ddr3-1866 ram chips (say
teh crucial ct16g3r186dm) come
to about 700 dollars. drives should be about $100
to 150 per. i'm
thinking should prolly actually include 2 and 4 disk setups, so
taking an average of 3
that's about $1300 per box, which is not bad at all, really.
diana_coman: oh yes,
theoretically all sorts; by "properly-speaking" I meant precisely NOT
theoretical
mircea_popescu: ~theoretically~
teh linux kernel is multithreaded ; in practice... well, more or less. 32 core certainly does not support 4x
the load of 8 core cpus, at least in my (very limited) experience.
diana_coman: I can see
the argument as a generic offering , yes; in all fairness it's not like we have a load of properly-speaking multi-threaded software
to run
mircea_popescu: not
to mention
the item is an atrocity cobbled
together out of a dozen or so actual chips, and all sorts of
those discussions.
mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x
the cores, 4.5x
the ram speed, 4.5x
the l2/3 cache and 50%
the power. basically i'm getting less
than
twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x
the money. meh.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kinda intended
to be a sort of generic offering ; people with specific needs still can ship
their gear over.
diana_coman: well, at
the end of
the day it depends on what software exactly one runs on
that computer, not an overall generic answer
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is where "teh experts" could contribute, if
they weren't busy
taking a shit right exactly when
they're needed. but... such is lyf.
mircea_popescu: seems
to me a bad deal
to
trade 4ghz down
to 3 in exchange for 16 cores instead of 8. contrary
to all
the hubbub, "multithreading" isn't nearly
that working in practice.
diana_coman: well yes, hence "slight dislike" not a deal breaker or anything major; fwiw at
this moment I'd say Eulora can certainly live on either
mircea_popescu: now, of course,
the 6376 could be piled 4
to
the motherboard. but i
tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: diana_coman
the power diff is only about 10W.
the 6376 does have 16 cores, but
then again 8350 is 4GHz vs 3ish...
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf
trinque diana_coman so i'm
thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared
to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i
thinkl
that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?
mircea_popescu: the "pay
twice
the cost but it buys you insurance from "what if
the rack doesn't fill" as well as not having
to do
the legwork" principle seems reasonably fair
to me ; it may alter in
the future, but for fucking cause. like
the prices work in #eulora.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the committment
to
transparency and in general predictability as shown above is
there.
mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno what
that post was about, but ima strike it from
teh record.
trinque hasn't a preference for weekly, other
than manages
the bitcoin:fiat interface volatility better, which iirc was
the rationale
mircea_popescu: well apparently
this was never published. yo BingoBoingo WHY is your contract
that you signed not online ? where's
the wattage ? etc.
mircea_popescu: so
then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage,
☟︎ trinque: ah well,
that was all of it, I guess. welcome back, qntra
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can say outright BingoBoingo 's prices are not correct. i ended up paying a little over 7k for 2 months' of
the
thing ;
that's 3.6k or such post
tax / 3k pre-tax not 2323.
trinque: it's a lovely
thing
to deal with people who will even
tell you how
they came
to
the price.
trinque knows BingoBoingo is *not*
trying
to omit
things, just sets off allergies I developed dealing with other folks
trinque: ftr BingoBoingo it would've been clearer
to just leave vat (and any other line items) in
the calculation for U/wk
trinque: if I'm reading
this correctly, 26.8 + 5.90 funnybux / wk, which is notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo does
the dc provide
the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have
to be carried from overseas also ?