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Mocky: ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn'
t curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don'
t trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform driving through water is a major engineering problem though. unless specifically amphibian landing vehicle, ytou won'
t get it.
mircea_popescu: Mocky no, rear wheels go woosh. but ever so slightly, it's so stable you wouldn'
t believe.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 14:07 Mocky: I'm confused about trb rpc. Log search suggests for the first year+ of bitcoin foundation rpc was marked for death:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-28#1417175 but then there's dump / eat block based on rpc? Is this a new version of rpc, I don'
t see a new version announced on the mailing list. Can someone sum this up for me, I'm having trouble following the history.
Mocky: I'm confused about trb rpc. Log search suggests for the first year+ of bitcoin foundation rpc was marked for death:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-28#1417175 but then there's dump / eat block based on rpc? Is this a new version of rpc, I don'
t see a new version announced on the mailing list. Can someone sum this up for me, I'm having trouble following the history.
☝︎☟︎ diana_coman: well, either there is cuntoo and then can try with it or there isn'
t, in which no choice apparently other than rotor buildroot style
diana_coman: esp libmysqlclient is potentially iffy because it has dependencies that go deeper but atm I don'
t know until I try it; unless someone else tried similar /knows better?
mircea_popescu: wasn'
t the idea that we build it with itself and so on ?
mod6: <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, BingoBoingo it is NOT asap, no; take your time, no hurry << barring a straight out emergency, I can'
t get away at the moment. About a month ago, I was trying to plan a trip around end of July; but now, that's locked out.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 18:08 phf: asciilifeform: well, it's been ported, but i've no idea how, last time i looked at it was pre-rework and i couldn'
t figure it out. trinque just said that the musl version of emacs he has is 24.5, so presumably that works
phf: you don'
t like rail? rail take you place no problem
phf: hmm true, also the soviets probably wouldn'
t make those german style train stations
mircea_popescu: i didn'
t have incline ramps in mine. but yes, these existed
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: don'
t tell the inca but i fly
ben_vulpes: and this is why i still don'
t have many male friends "we're going to go fly quadcopters!" "...why don'
t we drive out to the hangar and take the plane out instead?"
ben_vulpes: the montesorri stuff makes me laugh. oh, you mean the little learning machine thrives on new and varied challenges? you don'
t fucking say
mircea_popescu: but yes, the universal, uniyelding, perpetual and ubiquitous problem of "people" who were born even though god didn'
t have souls to supply the meat with is this : life's too heavy a burden.
phf: i think the causation is backwards, egan chooses substrate, assumes consciousness can exist on that substrate, then explores properties of substrate. doesn'
t say anything interesting about consciousness, but exploration of substrate. since naive mechanistic cellular machine interpretations are in vogue, that's the substrate that egan works with.
esthlos: but then what _is_ the cpu state but an arrangement of electrons? and why can'
t I say "these electrons on my butt are cpu state 53, those on alpha centauri are cpu state 54..."
esthlos: my vague understanding is: if consciousness can exist "in" a computer, then what happens when the cpu states are reorganized arbitrarily, or distributed spatially? egan supposes that conscious entity can'
t detect the effect.
esthlos doesn'
t know the first thing about ruling
phf: esthlos: i don'
t think that's the case, squeak was his main apple project, but even going before than dynabook was already in the works at parc
Mocky: oh man dr dobbs, haven'
t seen that in ages. I used to get the dead tree version
phf: but his goal with smalltalk etc. wasn'
t to build a machine for grownups, it was supposed to be a montessori creative exploration device
phf: mircea_popescu: i don'
t know if there's a definition, "idea" would've been a better term. in any case i've never heard anything concrete, except for the papert/piaget/montessori like esthlos said statements.
mircea_popescu: i can;
t fucking believe english doesn'
t have an equivalent for "hangman's face"
esthlos: o course, don'
t think he's done anything of merit since those days.
phf: esthlos: that was never the case (though it certainly looked that way didn'
t it), the golden age of vlsi happened because of a darpa grant, essentially "give us your designs, we'll fab it for you free of charge"
ben_vulpes: well yeah doods don'
t even say hello, much less issue compliments anymore.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... i don'
t know of a single case of girl laying a... student.
ben_vulpes: esthlos: ah, once a classy joint i hear. since then, well, epicenter of "i don'
t date nazis" nonsense
Mocky: like running any named command with M-x, why can'
t i do that in my browser, or cad program or whaterver
Mocky: revisiting emacs: the problem for me, and the reason i quit it after ~1 year is that the cut between editor / os / keyboard was so obviously wrong. once you get comfortable with the useful stuff in there it sucks that you then can *only* use it in emacs. what, i can'
t have a decent editor for anything outside of emacs? most of the answers to that question are either a) fuck emacs or b) fuck everything outside of
mircea_popescu: in discussion is the "can'
t do anything, pentium sucks"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 19:35 mircea_popescu: to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn'
t produce an emacs session, why aren'
t you using dos again ?"
mircea_popescu: because in all honestly, i wouldn'
t even ~deign~ rto look upon the shit that's dailymail other than through n layers of awk. i don'
t CARE whjat they think they're saying asnymore than i care what the fetwhores think they're saying.
mircea_popescu: and it doesn'
t stop there ; are you aware "modern browser" won'
t even allow luser to set referrer string ? it's either "nothing at all" or else "Speak the truth". why ? so that fetlife can imp[lement faux security a la "oh, your referrer is incorrect, best relogin".
mircea_popescu: you've already stopped using x11. that you don'
t admit this, well, different story. but in point of fact, x11 is already off by default.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-26 21:07 asciilifeform: mats: for one thing, it it can'
t be piped over ip, it isn'
t a substitute for x
mircea_popescu: maybe i really don'
t want to look at it as a succession of numbers. why, because i'm such a troglodyte ?
mircea_popescu: e to be able to not have to plot "< awk -F, '/Bitterbean/ {print $3,$5}' testall.csv" using 1:2
t "Better Bitterbean" w p pt 1, \"
ben_vulpes: i don'
t really see the point to importing rounded corners into republican tooling
ben_vulpes: implementing the DOM and all of the california complexity doesn'
t mesh neatly with the text rendering already extant. i use emacs as wm around browser and some other things (not many other things, really, but 'modern' dom-o-tron is sadly yet central to $work), for the expediency of my workbench having a single scriptinglang to move windows around, split whole monitor and arrange for specific workflows...
mircea_popescu: best definition of what a cult is, incidentally. "why was this cut there specifically ?" "i dunno." that's it, that's a cult. can'
t answer as to why was something cut where it was.
phf: there are layers and layers of cruft, some things that we haven'
t mentioned but that's implicitly part of the conversation. should there be x11, should emacs be the first thing that linux boots and nothing else, etc.
mircea_popescu: to put it more stringently, "if your machine dumping core doesn'
t produce an emacs session, why aren'
t you using dos again ?"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 18:52 mircea_popescu can definitely see the "i do not expect my terminal to do background tasks, that's what the servers are for. i don'
t have separable pairs of eyes"
phf: asciilifeform: back then i had slightly different concerns, nor did i build anything that wasn'
t already built. the whole thing compiles with djgpp, clisp is also available. bulk of the code i wrote was either common lisp by way of clisp or allegro "games" and visual hacks and such
mircea_popescu can definitely see the "i do not expect my terminal to do background tasks, that's what the servers are for. i don'
t have separable pairs of eyes"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the honest truth of the matter is that we don'
t even know what we want yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don'
t even care so much about that, because of the well ilustrated, here and everywhere else, history of idiots involvement.
mircea_popescu: ftr, i don'
t believe this "save object code" thing is handled correctly.
phf: asciilifeform: well, it's been ported, but i've no idea how, last time i looked at it was pre-rework and i couldn'
t figure it out. trinque just said that the musl version of emacs he has is 24.5, so presumably that works
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you don'
t wanna be potentially sexed, don'
t potentially open the potent doors.
trinque: this is why I don'
t intend to put emacs into the genesis
phf: climacs also had insane resource usage and equally large dependencies, can'
t run it without mcclim, and we've had a thread about that.
phf: e.g. i'm using 22 for work, and in order to get slime working on it, i had to revert slime to some 2010 version, which in turn wasn'
t quite compatible with sbcl, etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: trinque so then your desk can'
t be part of paperwork delivery because courrier doesn'
t know how to leave you paper ; and you'll have to clea nthe room yourself as the black woman hired to clean the place can'
t interact with your desk ?
trinque: "nah, can'
t bend the girl over that corner. right corner is the pussy tray!"
trinque: mircea_popescu: because I don'
t want to discuss with anyone how my own private desk is arranged
mircea_popescu: phf and i'm a troglodyte for thinking this isn'
t right ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 17:36 phf: there's also the thing that emacs started as a lisp machine tool with a certain set of binding and behavioral conventions, and then slowly moved away from those conventions towards "user come to expect". we can'
t even talk about consistency here because things change drastically from v19 to current v25. e.g. <return> is newline <control-j> is newline and indent. but these days "everyone" expects return to newline and indent so the change has been globa
mircea_popescu: phf the problem there is, that if a cut can'
t be identified, why are we even doing this.
mircea_popescu: and the discussion isn'
t "default ones". discussion is "cultural ones", ie, "the complete mass of expectations"
phf: there's also the thing that emacs started as a lisp machine tool with a certain set of binding and behavioral conventions, and then slowly moved away from those conventions towards "user come to expect". we can'
t even talk about consistency here because things change drastically from v19 to current v25. e.g. <return> is newline <control-j> is newline and indent. but these days "everyone" expects return to newline and indent so the change has been globa
☟︎ mircea_popescu: phf yes; but amusingly asciilifeform doesn'
t admit this. somehow.