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mircea_popescu: that's for sure. though THAT only comes into its own when i sit here typing and bulk up while the girls are (even now!) at the gym and... nothin' doin'.
mircea_popescu: my point is that the behavioural separation is visible rather before secondary sexual characteristics.
mircea_popescu: but, for some reason (which i suspect -- only in part cultural, and besides, why would a girl believe her mother) they tend to not want to earnestly try.
mircea_popescu: well, which brings us full circle : girls seemed to prefer that way rather than this, notwithstanding that they ~could~ have earned a decent spot on the rooster if earnestly tried.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how she found the room for such kicking, but, the fact remains -- very much ~could~, a good half of all males are not worth the chickenfeed.
mircea_popescu: chick slid her ass to the side and cracked him one shoe square in the forehead, after he grabed her ass.
mircea_popescu: and then JUST as i turn to grab the dood by the scruff of his neck and see who the fuck this is then, what, am i talking to myself here ?!
mircea_popescu: i have her walk in front of me ; and JUST as i'm explaining that nobody'd better fucking molest my guest or else, i feel some schmuck interlacing himself in front of me.
mircea_popescu: so the year's sometime in the golden 90s, and some super-duper karate trainer guy who happens to also be a friend of the family is visiting.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: actually, if they at all cared to... here, let me recount an anecdote.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possibru! though the ~average~ girl is still no match for the lower placed boys. so i wouldn't call it "can't" properly speaking.
mircea_popescu: the traditional period greeting among boys, etched as it finds itself in my memory, went "ma, tu poti asa ?" ie, "hey, can you do this ?". girls tended to challenge each other rather to knowledge of particular conventions, "you read so and so book ?! SO DID I!!!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the distinction generally matches their gender, too. girls tend to end up in the amateur-player groups. not so much climbing and activities with sticks that are wont to show one how inadequate human life is in a contest with sheer reality ;
mircea_popescu: at about the age of 10-11 or so, children, that were previously quite happy to play together, separate very visibly into pro-player and amateur-player groups.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the amateur behaviour is actually not unknown among children. now and again you see some kid (esp one that's not usually violent) FURIOUS to the point of rabid because some other kid "cheated", ie, did something the universe supported but the kid's mind did not.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: some guy who can't spell, because cotsnaltny doign htis, is you know, merely dyslexic. if they ALSO can't tie their own shoes... well...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman "retarded" is a term for ~broad~ failure. narrow failure, ie one that can be described on a single node, doesn't seem to meet it.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the amateur, as a category, is very much a 19th century late-protestantism invention, along with such greats as "altruism" etcetera. they have little anchoring in reality, being as they are the waste byproducts of a specific stage of industrial society.
mircea_popescu: from reviewing my past practice, i suspect i'd call them "retarded".
mircea_popescu: making jesus (not as either the historical character or the pre-1800s various layers of reported historical character) the elliot of amateurs.
mircea_popescu: whereas amateurs specialize in one particular branch of childish mistake : stuff to with love.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman note that the class of childish notion's wider than the class of amateur tropes.
mircea_popescu: i don't necessarily kid if i call my car carsy either.
mircea_popescu: Mocky calling a woman sexy, also in jest, term reserved for prepubescent girls and boys of all ages ?
mircea_popescu: so by your nomenclature normal 5yo, "child-like", mongoloid 20 yo "childish", etc ?
mircea_popescu: therefore one's an amateur rather than merely childish.
mircea_popescu: whereas the substance of thought does not move into adulthood, rendering the subject incapable to rightly apprehend the world,
mircea_popescu: i mean if the part of the brain that handles the mechanics of thought moves into adulthood, rendering the subject capable of articulating longer strings and remembering them,
mircea_popescu: diana_coman about five years. childish notions are both narrow and misapplied. amateur notions are merely misapplied, but remarkably extensive.
mircea_popescu: tbh, the carnegie hall may be a fine example -- florence jenkins played in what ~everone deemed a "how cute, they made copy out of hut!" item.
mircea_popescu: well, classification is classification ; the meaning of words flow from reason not from some sort of consideration of political expediency
mircea_popescu: (to briefly revisit the dilettante issue : the other problem is that dilettante delights in ~consuming the end product~, ie, listening to music. the amateur trombonist and the dilettante jazzist may be a match made in heaven, however, they're not the same thing -- much like the narcissist and his borderline-sleeve gf aren't.)
mircea_popescu: (and conversely, all the "but i would treat her right and have great sense of humor" non-"asshole" lament, very much this "whay amateur fails!")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, sleeper becomes sleepwalker when starts walking ; mp's amateur becomes a nuisance when similarily.
mircea_popescu: i also didn't set on fire la paz wooden house, notwithstanding it is a reconstruction.
mircea_popescu: you go to bed, you close your eyes, your brain goes splat. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: (anyway, the distinction is spurious, dilettante is LITERALLY italian for "amateur", comes from the same root as gave delight in english)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not responsible to say what exactly ; maybe trying to re-enact being in craddle for all i know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is that in my head dilettante would be one still getting his footing (ie, who has not yet touched all the elements of the field)
mircea_popescu: all the fucking scenesters, amateur bdsm folk, have this in common with the pedo and the neurotic-impotent : that they're trying to re-enact.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i cook! i picked writer because it's easy to see my writing and hard to see my fucking.
mircea_popescu: ie, that line is intended to show that the alternative understanding of the term is inconsistent.
mircea_popescu: Mocky there's no transitiveness. how can you be an amateur ~at X~ ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're equivocating between body conceptual and body of joe.
mircea_popescu: body is entirely as unbroken as anything can ever aspire to be.
mircea_popescu: hence "amateur mistakes" -- mistakes apt to be produced by one who acts as if the world/item/tool/whatever IS HIS MOTHER
mircea_popescu: "when i discovered the universe was artificial i withdrew into amateurship, because you can't commit to following a universe that's broken"
mircea_popescu: in a film in which we see a nurse passing herself for a doctor because whatever in-universe reasons, we have under our eyes an expert amateur doctor!
mircea_popescu: you can be an inexperienced professional, just as you can be an experienced amateur.
mircea_popescu: and i also dispute there's any requirement of ~expertise~ for ~professionalism~. utter fucking bullshit of the confused and the definitionless, trying to buy one thing with the other and back again circularly because that's all they got.
mircea_popescu: seems to me deepfry monkey essentially amateur ; my expert sluts as pro as it can possibly get.
mircea_popescu: i suppose stalin the definitive amateur, iirc never paid.
mircea_popescu: consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if kasparov plays to win -- pro ; if kasparov plays to feel good about himself -- amateur. money dun enter into it, and proximity to other people entirely spurious socialism tendril.
mircea_popescu: everyone has a conception of "how world should be", constructed essentially out of Mother in the positive and some "expectations" from personal history.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if kasparov plays with you and without an event purse -- amateur ?
mircea_popescu: you fly looking either in or out. if you fly looking out -- pro. if you fly looking in -- amateur.