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mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/698748328511696896/tHcNra2H_400x400.png << that's a pretty cool album cover lol.
punkman: asciilifeform: (you will have to rename the dir manually, because DIFF IS RETARDED) << I'll do a punkdiff release this week ☟︎
punkman: asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud. << my vtron digests conflicting patches
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:45:43; asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ?
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:24:10; mod6: if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit. if testing is need, lets do it. all those things. telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:12:28; mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing
asciilifeform: also am i the only one to whom 'unbanked' evokes a way of connecting memory ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo still remembers the one time he saw a person wearing a bitcoin t-shirt in a bar
gernika: asciilifeform: you might be interested to know that the scheme involved some sort of Coke Machine with a water filtration system.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2016 04:22:56; gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1411785 << i won't use thing that insists n downloads. and i ~definitely~ won't use a thing that wants to rebuild gcc or boost etc each time. ☝︎
asciilifeform: basic gentooism, it's a list of nevers
mod6: dare i even ask what a package mask is?
phf: it's not a detached signature. it's a standalone signed message that makes claims about shasums
phf: well, not busted, but not actually a signature for the tar.gz file
mod6: if someone knows what the problem is here, please submit. if testing is need, lets do it. all those things. telling me to take a break, or calm down, or take a vacation is not a solution. ☟︎
gernika: Some local color, since I'm voiced: I attended a bitcoin meetup in Oakland and encountered a team of "researchers" from Georgia Tech exploring using bitcoin to help the unbanked in Ethiopia. I asked, and no, none of them had been there. ☟︎
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> go take a vacation dood << this is not a solution.
ben_vulpes: "so you leave a hamplanet in a room with frosting, cornchips, guacamole, and cookies. which do they eat first?"
BingoBoingo: What punchline, all truefax. If you leave a planet in a room with icing, cornchips, and cookies there is a fair probability the hamplanet will eat the veggie burgers first out of curiosity.
ben_vulpes: it's not like gavin's going to steal a march on you or anything
ben_vulpes: go take a vacation dood
mod6: what a goatfucking pile of shit
mod6: for some reason, this guys friggin thing apparently wont verify, except for me. i seem to be the only one who has a gpg & his key that'll verify this damn thing ☟︎
phf: i proposed a solution to that problem. have a set of gpg commands that work with .wot. so something like vgpg verify file, will 1) tmp=mktemp -d gpgxxxx 2) gpg --homedir $tmp --import wot/*.asc 3) gpg --homedir $tmp --verify 4) rm -rf $tmp, so that no foundation operations ever work with ~/.gnupg and always work with ~/.wot
assbot: Logged on 21-08-2015 02:24:26; danielpbarron: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!
ben_vulpes: mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-08-2015#1246638 << this has been a known issue since august 2015 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: and not just a 'you' and a very sleep deprived and useless me?
ben_vulpes: mod6: are you even certain there was a 'we' running this a few weeks ago?
mod6: so why didnt we have this trouble a few weeks ago?
BingoBoingo: powercycling a bitcoin node is something of a gamble
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: This problem happened with quantrill this week. Was unresponsive so I ordered a reboot, after reboot... holy fucksticks the disappoint.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> oh also, in getinfo I get this >> "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." << The hard shutdown may have left your blockchain copy corrupted at the end. Gotta get a UPS.
phf: ok so http://btcbase.org/upload now works. takes seal and vpatch and saves it to uploads patchset http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads. uploads patchset inherits from experimental, which in turn inherits from stable. those who'd like to upload a patch are welcome to give it a try and let me know if it doesn't work. ☟︎
danielpbarron: gonna try a few more times to get it to continue building on the blocks i already had, and failing that I'll try it with an empty .bitcoin directory
danielpbarron: but that's not necessarily the fault of your thing; i had a power outage take this machine down without properly shutting down
danielpbarron: can't get a new block, just bastards and transactions that appear to be invalid
danielpbarron: well i got a bitcoind out of it, and when i run it against my already mostly complete .bitcoin directory i got black holed; trying again now with -connect=173.73.235.152
danielpbarron: regardless, the script ended with a bitcoind in rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/
phf: i split patches into patchsets http://btcbase.org/patches, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental (and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=deprecated for historical) to minimize confusion. there's a little menu that lets you select
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 20:41:35; ben_vulpes: mod6: i am *still* getting this with build-bitcoin-v99995.sh: gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified! ☟︎
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2016#1410987 << me too. and i get a weird error when trying to get his key >> http://danielpbarron.com/59C36319.txt ☝︎
mod6: i don't think V is driving me insane. at least, I hope not. i think re-grinding is a pain, but i don't see a way around this.
mircea_popescu: damn we're not even a decade in can't find shit in the logs ;/
mircea_popescu: there's a depth acquired from "boring" narrowness of subject.
mircea_popescu: (and for the record i will point out that tlp is anglotard enough to miss most of the substance. there's perfecty good reason everyone painted the same god damned vase with two apples next to it, and this has little do to with "you're not boring son ok" and a lot of fucking things to do with ... damn, where's that thread about ther ancient battlefield ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: and not because missed a spot of green pain when painting motherfucking grass.
mircea_popescu: well now that we understand the positions in theory, a negotiation for functional practice may begin.
mircea_popescu: Texting and social media's slowness gives them their power for this purpose. You read a text, and it lingers, it keeps your attention because it's all there is; and then you respond with a piece of your real self, and wait for a response... what's happening is time travel-- while you are on pause, the rest of not-your life goes faster. It is far more efficient at killing time than a phone call.
mircea_popescu: hen the "natural" conversation stops being interesting-- and it will, even if most of you weren't bad at it-- it would be a judgment about your relationship, about you. And you'll beg St. Jobs to blink a path to safety because otherwise you have to sit there with no existential support.
mircea_popescu: opularity of Downton Abbey, not to mention alcohol and iphones at dinner. It is against this background of "phony" convention that teens can productively "rebel" and find their own individuality against a status quo; fighting against an emotionally illogical, arbitrary, unpredictable structure results in learning the opposite lesson, "whatever gets me through the day..." Without this structure to social activities, w
mircea_popescu: ity is freeing, it allows self-conscious physical bodies to get used to standing next to each other without having to be acting, this includes husbands and wives. When dinner is a controlled process with "manners" and expected topics of shared conversation and start and end times, as boring as it may get, it is boring, not you. Women are especially sensitive to this absence of convention, this is one reason for the p
mircea_popescu: But why do we need "the balance?" What does it replace, what went missing? The very thing Holden Caufield hated: "phoniness", protocol and ritual for seemingly no purpose. Politeness is fine, but why do I have to make small talk? Why do I have to pretend to care about the weather? Why, after a decade of marriage, should dinner be a regular review of the somewhat boring goings-ons of "the day"? Because that formal
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's soliders painted quite a lot of grass fields green, and snowmen - white, didn't they.
mircea_popescu: you can't be a clinician without treating people, which yes, peeliong potatoes.
mircea_popescu: to this day the only way to become a carpenter is to carpent. the only way to become a whoremonger is to fuck.
mircea_popescu: no, warhol is a talentless dali. just as lazy.
mircea_popescu: a different fellow.
mircea_popescu: what you get when you take toil out of psychologi is lacan. he is not a psychiatrist,
mircea_popescu: this is a fantasm. that you'd like it be true, i believe you. that it is, i do not believe you.
mircea_popescu: machine is not a pill against retardation. nevertheless, system is a method for limiting expression of retardation.
asciilifeform: machine is not a pill against retardation.
mircea_popescu: look no further than yourself : are you a bad person for living in dc ?
mircea_popescu: how do you suppose webstack became a thing ?
asciilifeform: (or, conversely, its absence, a ticket to prb damnation)
asciilifeform: i don't see the manual monk-copying as being automagically a thing of correctness-making.
asciilifeform: would have been, a what, 1500 tonne !
mircea_popescu: iirc was also a locomotive type engine lol
mircea_popescu: which was not terribly relevant : it could ford in places nobody knew there was a ford before.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say we do things precisely as you described. and tomorrow i publish a patch. now everyone who wants to test it, cannot apply it at all unless he is willing to use my tree wholesale. instead he has to MANUALLY merge it in, line by line. and then i end up back-and-forth-ing over his typos for the next month, instead of doing ANYTHING else
mircea_popescu: but in any case, what i expect in practice is - a lot of cross signing, of people who know each other ; and a ready spot for corporate investment. "make me a mod6+alf patch" is a job.
asciilifeform: this is making the student peel potatoes 18 hr. a day.
asciilifeform: whereas he ought to understand that he is squandering a ~finite~ resource.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree. << in general it's to be expected you'd see a lot of replication of code.
mircea_popescu: you choose to view this as a sign of the omnipotence of usg.
mircea_popescu: this is your privilege, as a believer in animism.
mircea_popescu: a disaster ot which naggum's lifeless body doth attest.
mircea_popescu: having a centralising pos a la vessenes faux foundation on top of the broken process non-v, is a disaster.
mircea_popescu: but the point remains : having a trb foundation on the solid foundation of a v environment IS a convenience.
asciilifeform: (which is a mighty spiffy thing!)
mircea_popescu: i don't see folks agreeing to anything. i see mod6 putting in a lot of blood.
mircea_popescu: principally atm, that mod6 is running like a mad dog trying to keep on top of everyone's patches.
asciilifeform: that is, folks agreeing to work on a same tree
asciilifeform: as i understand, it is a thing that mircea_popescu considers sinful ?
mircea_popescu: it's just a convenience. it's not a fucking usg tendril.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a centralized thing! that an idiot one day could get to the wheel of !
mircea_popescu: a throne what ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a defensible perspective but it leaves me wondering wtf you were doing when founded a trb foundation ! a throne omg!!1111111
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assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 21:52:20; mircea_popescu: the idea is to have diverse coder process, and a lot of fuckign toi land trouble on tghe coders, for maximal output quality.\
asciilifeform: that a derp could one day sit down on.
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 22:22:12; mircea_popescu: people in the senate floor of the most serene republic notice the silly things the kids are doing in bed these days and lo! ben_vulpes signs it, which makes that snipped suddenly go into a bunch of servers.
asciilifeform: 2) what if he wants, e.g., a mod6+ben_vulpes tree.
asciilifeform: now, this makes life very easy for mircea_popescu, or so he thinks, because he can go 'i want a mod6 tree'
assbot: Logged on 20-02-2016 23:02:29; mircea_popescu: nobody is to use AntPool, A-XBT, Bitfinex, BitFury, Bitmain, BIT-X Exchange, Blockcloud, BTCC, Coinfloor, F2Pool, HaoBTC, Ledger, LIGHTNINGASIC & BitExchange, OKCoin or Spondoolies-Tech for any purpose under any circumstances, or ever hire anyone who ever worked there.
asciilifeform: but this is unfortunately not a vtronic operation, because we have idiot diff and not a turing-complete vtron.
asciilifeform: afaik we don't presently have a vtron that is capable of digesting everything incl. the old crud.
mod6: <ben_vulpes> b-b-...5.sh works fine on something approaching a sane computer << ok cool!
asciilifeform: its a people difference though
ben_vulpes: but aha i do recall that mjr and pgp were in the same room a few times