asciilifeform: otoh the other kind, where you sit for 6mo and then 'we have a great honour for you...' trickier

asciilifeform: Mocky: the ones where already gotta be a eunuch right off the door, pretty easy to avoid

asciilifeform: Mocky: i left a slave galley at one time when they presented me with a fully-filled set of forms and 'we shall do you great honour, mr. d, already paid for, nao please sign here to take holy orders'

asciilifeform: Mocky: for extra lulz, i still get megatonnes of recruiter spam, 'dear sir, if you have 'top seekrit clearance', we have a ... opening'

asciilifeform: naturally, like any other hypertrophied organ

asciilifeform: the various lulzministries grow like mushrooms, there is no decree that they may not overlap, quite opposite

asciilifeform: and whoknows whateelse, asciilifeform doesn't get reports on his desk re how many there are atm

asciilifeform: and these

asciilifeform: ( + cia + two dozen or so misc. tentacles staffed mostly by ex-army )

asciilifeform: *decree

asciilifeform: on acct of some ancient and obscure bureaucratic degree, usg has ~two~ nsa, 1 usual and 1 that does sats

asciilifeform: (~that~ was logo of spy satellite ministry, iirc also applied there, but no snail)

asciilifeform: this slightly prior to octopus with 'gott mit uns' lol

asciilifeform: the lulzy part was that snailmail, from ft meade, complete with eagles etc

asciilifeform: nicoleci: was form letter, mandated by statute in 1972 or somesuch

asciilifeform: if they're dumbenuff, wainot

asciilifeform: ( you could spam people and they usually clicked 'ok wainot' )

asciilifeform: nicoleci: the 'connections' wank was hilarious. e.g. asciilifeform had generals, admirals, etc. as 'connections'

asciilifeform: )

asciilifeform: ( some statute required'em , iirc, to 'consider' applicant N times '

asciilifeform: nsa had the classiest output, they actually sent ~snail mail~ 'we regret to inform you...' full year, like clockwork , erry 8 weeks

asciilifeform 10y ago or so, was starving long enuff to actually try'em all

asciilifeform: afaik the only ministry that didn't use it, was nsa, they had even shoddier thing in java

asciilifeform: prolly still exists today.

asciilifeform: btw there was an actual Official similar www for usg civil service. in, naturally, microshit 'asp', erry other page load was eggog

asciilifeform: haven't heard much about it in past 5-6y tho

asciilifeform: nicoleci: iirc this was a usg.valley play at 'arsebook, but for work, make it so that plebe can't find work if we kick him off site'

asciilifeform: sounds like typical india. betcha there's a 1000-tall pile of if-thens in there.

asciilifeform: nuts.

asciilifeform: a

asciilifeform: iirc we saw a thing like this at one pt

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: via cloudfart or how

asciilifeform: nicoleci: lol, 'premium acct' ?! what do ~these~ get, 9000x faster censor ?

asciilifeform: ( result eventually is ~always where ~only~ scrapers can even read )

asciilifeform: typically these , are the tallest piles o'shit

asciilifeform: lol!

asciilifeform can't speak re the complexity, did not use intensively

asciilifeform: india 'maintains'..

asciilifeform: rather similar to fatlife, arsebook, etc

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a pretty standard, as they go, 'indian code'

asciilifeform: so possibly framed as this, on the derp end

asciilifeform: diana_coman: there in fact are trojans which post spam to this & other heathen pits as 'updates'

asciilifeform: hence why 'deleted 1 para' possib.

asciilifeform: nicoleci, mp_en_viaje : i have possible piece for this puzzler : asciilifeform's old notes suggest that this particular heathen pit structures text for censors as 'patch' deltas

asciilifeform: yandex ditto

asciilifeform: btw fwiw , http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ddg_nicoleci.jpg << ddg still lists

asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje wrote a pretty good sifter for it, so if lemon had juice yet, would presumably still give juice

asciilifeform: thought so, given as not mentioned in log for a while nao

asciilifeform wonders whether fatlife yet 'replaced' mp_en_viaje with that old fart retired mayor d00d or who was it

asciilifeform: the sheer hamfistedness, pretty entertaining imho

asciilifeform: oblig

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually used it briefly , many yrs ago, at the time it was just this tool for workers to drop in their cv and auto-spam it to employers etc

asciilifeform: like erry other heathen 'host' www, 'linkedin' has 'term of service' where 'we can drop yer account if we dun like your face' . but iirc nuffin about 'we will blue-pencil paragraphs'

asciilifeform guesses that if nicoleci were to log in an' put back, will find it readonly ?

asciilifeform: also wtf re the randomly dropping terrorist paragraph. normally they simply delete whole page

asciilifeform: re wai took >6mo?! aint cunt supposed to be a nonmaskable-interrupt

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914135 << bahahahahaha! and for extra lulz, phuctor was 'replaced' in <2hrs -- whereas this took, wat was it, 6mo ? ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: laters.

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: there's a potential down-side tho, of this method -- addr that has never transacted is shielded by the hash (i.e. the pubkey is not available to third party yet) as well as the ecc mechanism; one that has transacted , is only shielded by the latter

asciilifeform: 'As to the agent... his interests are very much not aligned with theirs. He wants to take as much for himself -- as well is his right, and as exactly is proper. They should have nothing, and he should have it all.' etc

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje had a piece re the futility.

asciilifeform: observe, on fg www, the series of 'and now x tested' links. the buyers, did not simply 'believe' that unit worx, they took the time to verify.

asciilifeform: point being, even if you have 100 pairs of hands, for the 1 that is actually attached to your shoulders there is not really a substitute.

asciilifeform: ( and iirc so can mp_en_viaje )

asciilifeform: sultan abdul hamid ii of course had guards. but also could, is said, hit a thimble from 50 metres with nagant, with either hand

asciilifeform: 'trust but verify'

asciilifeform: ( 'important' was... his driver. who was there simply in case he gets tired. )

asciilifeform: there is famous joke from the time, where some official gets a ride in his car, and thinks 'who is that fella, who is so high and mighty that brezhnev himself is his driver !!'

asciilifeform: consider how leonid brezhnev insisted on driving own limo.

asciilifeform: the risk from using one built by another pair of hands, pretty much always makes it seem a losing proposition to purchase a walletron of any kind whatsoever. hence why the market for'em is fulla rubbish, built for chumps.

asciilifeform: the 20-30 serious btc people that apparently exist, already each constructed for himself an acceptable walletron, is my understanding.

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: i'll be the very last to say 'how to monetize'. the subj is re the simple matter of with what to construct machine so that you can even ~have~ money, should you come up with from where to get.

asciilifeform: take a large trunk or two.

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: consider a trip to e.g. romania . ☝︎

asciilifeform: depends where -- over here in east usa, junkyard nowadays contains 2-3 y.o. comps.

asciilifeform: even hard disks.

asciilifeform: i have 1980s items that still not only work, but with original seals.

asciilifeform: and without even trying specifically.

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: you will find interesting that it is possible to build computer to last 100+ yrs.

asciilifeform: around 10y ago the expectation became 'will be thrown out in 2-3y' and manufactured accordingly.

asciilifeform: issue tends to be with 2000s 'konsoomer' irons . ☝︎

asciilifeform: 70s, 80s, also work a+++

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: that 'future' is now.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform, for instance, has small stockpile of soviet-made cpu. not enuff for 'let's make wallet product', and certainly there aint enuff demand to even consider such thing, but for personal use.

asciilifeform: see also mp_en_viaje's formulation .

asciilifeform: generally speaking, ideal irons for safety-critical system are from 'pre-internet age', i.e. the kind you could write working emulator for in a weekend or 2 ☝︎

asciilifeform: i'd still rather use old 486 etc.

asciilifeform: certainly terrible idea, if yer using e.g. the onboard rng.

asciilifeform: ( popularly said 'it is cheap at least', but even this is disinfo, there are similar chinese boards costing half or less )

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: ftr 1 of the worst possible choices of iron for anyffin safety-critical ☝︎

asciilifeform: dun even need computer, really ☟︎

asciilifeform: why generate tx to validate addr ? it's a pretty simple algo, with checksum

asciilifeform: thing is, erryone already has paper

asciilifeform: the ultimate mindfuck, is when you find that you already know 100% of'em, by name..

asciilifeform: scratch surface of $subj, and find that the # of 'serious' folx is 100-1000x smaller than you could have dreamed.

asciilifeform: could even be

asciilifeform: 'the gears of the gods turn slowly' etc

asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2 ^ is true. but slow. e.g. mp_en_viaje and asciilifeform baked a trng in '16; one might imagine erry single serious btc user would've bought. but guess what.

asciilifeform: upstack, '...those who purchase programming time now have a reason to care about programmer quality much more than they used to... obviously this will take a while. it'll happen first wherever software systems are interfacing with bitcoin. or are under pressure from ransomware. wherever it hurts the most.' ☝︎

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aint that an infamous crap artist ? i fughet