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phf: that's also a lot more generous than my "goddamn kids trying to force a cult following out of a turd"
mircea_popescu: items like the celebrated http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/cina-cea-de-lol.jpg ; is it art ? if you think so, it's definitely not because of it. ☟︎
phf: hmm, i can see that
mircea_popescu: whether one enjoys this or not is muchly a case of mood, i suspect. there's nothing intrinsicly good or valuable about it, it's like pareidolia except not about faces, but about stories. if you see something in there, you brought the something you see from home.
mircea_popescu: phf it means it does not map to any sort of rational, coherent, non-contradictory model of the world.
mircea_popescu: oh, and you should see their lock knock system! it looks like a converted sewing machine!
phf: i'm not sure what the comparisons to the room mean at this point. i suspect it means "it's not really `so bad it's good`, it's really just dull bad, and you should avoid it", or?
mircea_popescu: anyway ; the item in the film is not a nagant.
mircea_popescu: was kind of a big deal for a while, that.
mircea_popescu: gas seal thing
asciilifeform: ( has that oddball expanding neck shell and cylinder that racks forward, closing the gap )
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how you even make revolvers out of whatever dubious zamak. i mean yes i've seen prison made firearms, but they were without exception single round sorta things.
phf: i missed the revolver part
mircea_popescu: are you going to put caulk in the space it revolves through ? or what ?
phf: you cut put a silencer on a small caliber subsonic rounds, and then you're going to get a very satisfying "tink tink tink" sound, but that's not going to have any kind of stopping power.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : silencers dun really work on pistols, even with today's materials science.)
mircea_popescu: too remarkably bad to not say anything at all.
phf: so bad, it's not even worth a trilema review. a byline in logs at most.
mircea_popescu: and on the old films front, "20`000 years in sing sing" is a gnarly piece of nonsense about on there with "the room". except with spencer tracy playing the incomprehensible retard.
phf: yeah, saw in logs, i'm going to throw it at the patcher anyway to see if it behaves
mircea_popescu: anyway, meanwhile binary bits were discovered in there, so it'll likely change still.
phf: was supposed to be btcbase/patches, like "patches" as a not very descriptive name of the section where vpatches are stored
mircea_popescu: now, why they opted to do it poorly and scatter-piss-idly instead of straight up is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking thing is browser candy for the masses, aka "linux".
mircea_popescu: it's pretty clear LAMP was the whole schtick, and it's evident where imagemagick would have fit into that stack.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, it's true that the whole alt-pantsuit "foss" movement failed to design (or to deliver, or to mean anything, or etcetera, sursure), but nevertheless the ashes they left behind are amenable to retrospective redesign.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-07#1793797 << thank you! at 6mb it will require some work to put it into btcbase patches.. ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform's favorite graphic metaphor of the whole spittoon is always apropos
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 23:58 asciilifeform: and of course it is not hard to find out ~why~ this happened : http://tahirhassan.blogspot.com/2016/03/installing-gnutls-on-emacs.html >> 'GnuTLS is needed for adding the https URL of MELPA to the package archive source list'
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793785 << items predates melpa by many years. i suspect first serious item to rely on gnutls was GNUS, but initially integration was done by calling a subprocess and piping things into it. gnutls (as well as dbus, libxml, imagemagick) as linked in library is a more recent phenomenon ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and how you doing down there anyways ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: where's all the pantsuit press discussing "the embattled usg, ever more isolated on the world stage" ? what, this rhodesia doesn't get the usual rhodesian press ?
mircea_popescu: wait, wait, philipinoy no longer on list of usg pet states ?! BUT THE SUCCESS OF INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMACIES AND INTRIGUES?!?!?!
danielpbarron: lobbes, hanbot, ty
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd propose taking the "Spellchecker" out altogether, but something tells me the hackery is not limited to that module. i guess make a list of all the places they appear, see if it can all be excised or just replaced with better notation ?
hanbot: _getSeparators : function() { var re = '', i, str = this.editor.getParam('spellchecker_word_separator_chars', '\\s!"#$%&()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_{|}§©«®±¶·ž»ŒœŸ¿×÷€\u201d\u201c'); << sample itam. they're buried in the code as ad-hoc magic chars.
mircea_popescu: hanbot : file -bi reports "text/x-diff; charset=us-ascii", which seems proper ; however awk -vFS="" '{for(i=1;i<=NF;i++)w[$i]++}END{for(i in w) print i,w[i]}' 'mp-wp_genesis.vpatch' spits out http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YQn0g/?raw=true which shows the problem -- you got a buncha garbage single-occurence chars in there.
mircea_popescu: hanbot oddly the file doesn't pass utf-8 ; but passes iso 8859. there's some artefact in there.
mircea_popescu: 6mb to get a fucking blog cms going. oh epic world of bits... ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:19 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793646 << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful
mircea_popescu: also what the fuck is a tahir hassan.
mircea_popescu: well, i just had steaks! (at the doris place mentioned in teh logs).
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: !~later tell hanbot can i get your copy of footnotes.php ?
asciilifeform: and melpa of course being the 'modern' crapola repo that gives us such marvels as the 9000 dependencies of 'flycheck' ( see logz! ) and other liquishit.
asciilifeform: and of course it is not hard to find out ~why~ this happened : http://tahirhassan.blogspot.com/2016/03/installing-gnutls-on-emacs.html >> 'GnuTLS is needed for adding the https URL of MELPA to the package archive source list' ☟︎
shinohai: Came to wish trinque happy birthday as well, enjoy teh steaks!
asciilifeform: happy bday trinque
trinque afk too, actually, for steaks even
trinque: deep deep sads and justwantedtos in portage at the moment.
mircea_popescu: anyway, taking gal for steaks, bbl.
mircea_popescu: "efficiency expert" in industry is what that is.
mircea_popescu spent many years of life at the task of ensuring the correctness of those calculations
asciilifeform: supposing the calculation was on correct premises.
mircea_popescu: hey, cheaper is the rule of machinery. as long as you correctly calculate the cheaper, all industrial process is nothing but.
asciilifeform: but in that case it can be debated whether he is still using 'the same machine' as he bought, or a 'new', africanized one ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, i think we touched briefly in here on the advantage of physical systems, and how they could be tested back when they were still used, over digitalisms.
asciilifeform: right, and i also once met a d00d who calculated that it is cheaper to fill his hydraulic fluid tank weekly for several yrs, than to fix the leak
mircea_popescu: all this is calculable.
mircea_popescu: car ran fine. and would have ran fine like this for however many mn kms, at the cost of having to change the battery 3x more often than per design
asciilifeform: but of actual dross. e.g. most of what glibc gloms on to every executable, never executes, these are bits you can flip with impunity
mircea_popescu: as running that almost non stop, resulting in too much current draw, resulting in ac bringing available power too low, resulting in battery not getting enough etc.
mircea_popescu: consider actual example : as i said at some point i bought used bmw. you might know or not, but these engines actually have a GEARBOX for the fan aspirating air to cool the radiator. this particular engine's gearbox for the fan was shot, resulting in a fan so weak you could stop it with finger (properly maintained, it's so strong as to snap a finger off). therte's a... special 2nd line fan system for this situation, and car w
asciilifeform: well i did not mean in the sense of how the good doktor shiro ishii discovered that man can 'run for a while' with no stomach
mircea_popescu: you could have a much simpler car, of course, but X would be proportionately larger. which is why no 1918 car can compete with modern cars in terms of say fuel economy.
mircea_popescu: so at an increase of operating cost, unmaintained complex machinery continues to function.
mircea_popescu: rt of pyramidal arrangement, picked up for ever more), but the xi will INCREASE (mostly because the "cost to run" now also includes wear and tear of parts not designed to wear and tear in that way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this line is shakier ; i have seen good cars missing a few % of the parts through locals' insane notions of maintenance, still running. "what were they for ?" well, it's like this : the cost for the car to run is X, built out of x1...xn costs to do various itemized portions of "to run". if cost xi is due to components Ci1...Cim, should Cij fail, its slack will probably be picked up by the rest (often, in some so
asciilifeform remembers , as a teenager, seeing a win95-afflicted box with a rotting hdd, losing 2-3% of all sectors and... thing still boots, still functions, ~why?~ , what was all that crapola ~for~
mircea_popescu: much like the kid who spent his preteen years sewing footballs for nike is never going to be a great pianist.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 19:35 hanbot: latest in mp-wp saga: spyked's patch on vtools let me gpr build the phf's patcher and vdiff, latter of which made a genesis, former of which dies on pressing wiff: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2IVPp/?raw=true
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-06#1793646 << i'm moving too slow, please wait till tomorrow for me to push the regrind with fixes. if you can give me that version of mp-wp.vpatch unsigned that would be helpful ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: the large problem is that, generally unbeknownst to the victims of usg child abuse, they are actually not fit for any kind of intellectual work anymore, nor will ever be.
mircea_popescu: and it is EXACTLY child abuse. some people take five year olds and teach them how to take penis up their asshole. usg takes five year olds and teaches them to be ashamed of saying "i, therefore", and affraid of saying "this is too much to read".
asciilifeform: consider , for instance, when was the last time you saw a ( heathen ) patch that ~subtracted~ bulk
mircea_popescu: they dare say this to me, "oh, trilema is too hard to read, i'm not reading it". that part, yes. they however do not say it in the one direction where it belongs said : "the source you published is too long for me to comfortably read, therefore you are in breach of your obligation ; fix it or ima burn down your shack."
mircea_popescu: but see, here's how it latches into imperial systematic child abuse : the esltards are brought up to think their own limits are shameful, and consequently... "nobody dared" point out that he, personally, can not read the source provided, and THEREFORE, for ~this reason~, it has NOT BEEN PROVIDED.
mircea_popescu: except here it's "not closed in the sense of we don't give you text to read ; but open in the sense we give you an endless stream to read"
asciilifeform: now add to this, autoconf, 'libraries', the idjit os...
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a "very good compiler -- it either compiles or never finishes, so it can't be said it ever encountered an error. drop your compile error rate to 0% with our new technology".
asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this is an exact implementation of the political concept of "filibuster".
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit ( tho naggum treated it better than i have the stamina to ) is how gcc set back the compiler field by, perhaps , decades, by playing the 'dun matter how complex, so long as theoretically 'open' ' game
mircea_popescu: so, no, i don't expect moglen's "one weird trick" worked or could have worked, nor do i expect moglen is, intellectually speaking, old enough to decide whom to fuck.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the whole fucking discipline of zek/cattle handing is based on this fundamental rule.
mircea_popescu: but, nothing's easier than selling unprincipled exceptions to comfort seekers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. the broad box this falls into is "accepting the structure but debating the results". once you've eaten up the premises, what the fuck cartoonish "ha-HAA!" can you possibly expect, jesus fuck, 12 year olds moving about freely.
mircea_popescu: this is akin to the notion that redskins would have used treaties to opress white settlers. bitch, really ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i do not believe the cleverness worked ; moreover, this instant example aside, i have TONS of example of exactly the same "cleverness" NOT working against the empire, all the way down to http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/#selection-63.0-67.2
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece about how troobelievers in 'rule of law' will set themselves up into ridiculously doomed situations, where they fixate on some technicality, like changing their names to punctuation marks or somesuch, that Will Surely Crash The System ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not even clear to me that eben moglen (note, not rms) gpl experiment , i.e. 'use copyrasty against itself', worked for a short while ( to naked eye it would seem that it did, bsd routines got subsumed into microshit, gnu -- not , but there ~are~ alternative plausible explanations that don't involve 'fear of gpl violation' ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but vendors could never distribute meaningless source, the million eyes of the community would spot it and things would happen!"
mircea_popescu: it could be "one dood's blog", if rms could ever muster enough cogency to keep a blog. but in fact, it's a loose association of conference-goers. for the same money they could be a "polyamory club" or w/e.
asciilifeform: they're a sort of mausoleum, with the small detail that their lenin is still, in a way, alive
mircea_popescu: principles of usg diffusely outside of usg.microsoft, usg.intel, usg.ibm and other enummerable badness". that about work ?
mircea_popescu: well, i guess we'll have to have a terminology standard then. how about this : fsf = "a little coven of pantsuit retards defined by loyalty to rms and no further characteristics", ie fsf is about on the level of importance of "starslatecodex" ; gnu = "symbol with no concrete reference, sometimes used as g- or gnu- prefix by marketeers exacly like the string 'super-'" ; open = "group of usg wreckers working on perpetuating the
asciilifeform: not small fry, either, but major vendors, philips, toshiba, hitachi, many others, who sell 100mils/chips/yr , for which the only compiler is... one of these
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gets 'better' : 9000 forks, of various degrees of 'declared', many also pissing on gpl and distributing either closed turds, or turd + source and the latter on examination does not build . pestilential in embedded world
mircea_popescu: 100% of all discussion on the subject is our logs
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's exactly ZERO discussion of this anywhere. major, undeclared fork passing uncommented for what, a decade ? is this the level of "rational" idiocy in these muppets ?