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BingoBoingo: Well, living in the land of Mate crackpipes you get to see this behavior taken to extremes. They are playing the game where they TRY to burn as many man hours as possible in an unproductive manner. ☟︎
hl`: that's actually a fair point too. as implemented in e.g. PCs nowadays, even putting the closed firmware issues aside, the way they are integrated is _not_ secure. they're just connected using open pins to the CPU, you could easily replay everything ☟︎
hl`: general case - basically using the halting problem as a trapdoor function.
asciilifeform: if you cannot determine via physical means that the proggy as-published is actually executing on the given device
asciilifeform: nvidia is on same shitlist as intel
asciilifeform: other than as fpga softcore -- where ?
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: the typical x86 pc 'infineon' etc tpm, cannot do such interesting things as overriding bios write protect, accessing microphone, etc
asciilifeform: as printed on bottom of chassis
asciilifeform: ( and by the total unavailability, other than as antique, of actual computer )
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: i personally am more annoyed at rubbish masquerading as computer, than by general-purpose rubbish
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: as soon as they roll off the conveyor.
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: as far as i'm concerned , all boxes not yet cured of fritz are 'ewaste'
asciilifeform: i don't see this as a productive line of probing
swiftgeek: asciilifeform: i don't consider swapping a board as repair
swiftgeek: but it would be clearly marked on the die as well
asciilifeform: given as it is a tpm/drm crock of shit, i fully expect false metal masks and the other joys of 'tamper resistence'
asciilifeform: and it does not rely on the cpu (referred to as 'AP' in google's srcs)
swiftgeek: i can't guess dimensions properly so let's assume it's the same as with c201pa
asciilifeform: ( according to amstan , a fella from #linux-rockchip who introduced himself as one of the designers, but is rather tight-lipped )
asciilifeform: also apparently was known as 'gru' in early in-house versions
asciilifeform: google baked it as a replacement for the infineon.
swiftgeek: as if there was some noticeable change xD
swiftgeek: looking at some code you found there isn't the same as poking the actual thing
asciilifeform: and as soon as we start doing it, they'll start pouring epoxy, and then cost goes up yet again
asciilifeform: all i've been able to find is that 1) it is an arm cortex-m , prolly licensed 2) started life as fpga ( see google's src, comments repeatedly refer to earlier vers as 'fpga' , then , later, 'g-chip' )
asciilifeform: swiftgeek: even simple xray would give you basic info, such as the number of balls in the bga, and possibly the routes of the test pads (it ain't a very crowded pcb)
|\n: even if something is not clear - hardware is full of shit, supplying any trust towards vendors is as stupid as saying that someone might now have some private keys from whatever, being it an IT or automotive industry (pick any), i believe that is why some papers on standards that might shed light on ways of how proprietary things (that belong to owners) work ☟︎
|\n: good shout, sure i got my miserable excuses, since i'm not media person, i constantly attempt to tell about such things to people who show interest, but the scales are as miserable as my excuses hah
|\n: apart from things unspeakable on freenode i love to bring up tor relays and i got a job as an admin of shitty place ☟︎
asciilifeform: |\n: as trinque points out -- you will get much more enthusiastic audience if you introduce yourself, and register a key, establish as person
asciilifeform: alternatively , somebody might give you voice, such as now , and you can speak for 30min.
asciilifeform: well if you ~want~ to be known as apt-get...
asciilifeform: ( legendarily, soyuz actually carried mk-52, reportedly, on board, a sort of mk-61 with i/o connector, as backup to main comp )
asciilifeform: but as the '90s marched on, the thing did not, apparently, immediately fade away and die ( troo comps remained expensive, rare, until '93-'94ish ); so folx continued to write and circulate samizdat gamez : http://lordbss.pp.ru/pmk.html
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 15:18 mircea_popescu: if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on.
asciilifeform: seems as if each set breaks new record.
asciilifeform: the fact that h1 started life as fpga, suggests this.
trinque: john k's crime here is bending over to the state after making a career upon ramming lulz through the censors. "3 decades struggle with mental illness" such as being heterosexual.
asciilifeform: 'The OpenPGP protocol allows to include the file name of the original input file into a signed or encrypted message. During decryption and verification the GPG tool can display a notice with that file name. The displayed file name is not sanitized and as such may include line feeds or other control characters. This can be used inject terminal control sequences into the out and, worse, to fake the so-called status messages. These
asciilifeform: 'how dare you describe god's chosen as vulgar syphilitic rapists'.
asciilifeform: about same amt of shit as mircea_popescu gives about the fate of newly-ejected condom, aha
asciilifeform: https://archive.li/x3A3f << subj: >> '...his practice of drinking a glass of his own urine every day, and as veteran journalist M.V.Kamath, reporting for ToI, noted rather despairingly, the problem wasn’t just that Desai did this, but he was very eager to talk at length about it: “in a 15-minute appearance on a very popular Sunday TV show called ’60 Minutes’, Mr.Desai was seen taking practically half the time to commend urine
mircea_popescu: henceforth a new "piss on the bitch" cocktail is defined, for public consumption, as piss, vodka and a splash of fruit juice.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i'm happy with the outcomes. swathes of 20something yo slavegirls as far as the eye can see, to take pick from.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-19 18:31 asciilifeform: chetty: the whole purpose of 'biometric' crap is to administratively fix the designated chump as the permanently-designated chump.
a111: Logged on 2015-10-17 17:42 asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make then, as now, is that mri - like fingerprints - is a confession-inducer and evidence-planter apparatus, let's say 'guiltwashing', rather than necessarily a fact-finder.
asciilifeform: (given as enemy will immediately patch when they get hold of the boojum, as crapple does)
asciilifeform: as soon as it gets shat out, the links to the earlier heathenpit threads, will reroute to it -- just like in earlier phuctor case
a111: Logged on 2018-06-10 18:07 mircea_popescu: and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in choice redditisms : 'I used to work as a security researcher - if I thought this subject was interesting I'd have to look for another source talking about the same thing because there's no way in hell it'd be acceptable to reference this level of unprofessionalism in a conference or to my superiors.'
asciilifeform: it is probably impossible to educate the willingly thick, however, who ~actually~ see a box with NOBUS master keys as 'moar secure than with no keys'. these, will only wake up when they're sitting in kangaroo court , and confessing to 'child porn'
mircea_popescu: techcrunch.com/2017/08/11/the-minifree-libreboot-t400-is-free-as-in-freedom/ << lol the ersatzen.
mircea_popescu: except the part where the convenience of doing stupid thing is just as inconvenient as anything.
mircea_popescu: same thing here, by purely behavioural standards they're as aware as could be.
mircea_popescu: can't apply livresque standards of awareness to the herd, they're not human in that sense. you believe cattle is aware of electified fence, even if no cow ever sat down with you and stated as much over beers and buffalo wings.
mircea_popescu: if the priors are anything like a) "anyone should have access to computers" and b) "to use as they see fit", you'll be back to some kind of nsa fritz chip in very short order, especially if you're committed to equalitarian socialism (or, "democracy", to use the in-universe names)
apt-get: Well, I don't know if my political leanings would necessarily imply going to such lengths as described in that manifesto, but I am indeed supportive of any attempt to free computing from the proprietary and government boulders placing themselves between the user and the product.
mircea_popescu: and as far as most mouthbreathers are concerned, the world is too much and the little glass bead of "nigger explains what '''events mean to me'''" archsufficient. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i suspect that the whole incident will be unhappened soon enuff, added to same googleban db as trilema , phuctor, etc
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as overwhelmed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, alphabet essentially survives, in the perceptible rather than the byzantine imaginarium sense, out of their orclands outposts. exactly as described in http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824
|\n: i've seen your name on some resources i read from time to time because pals discuss it as well
mircea_popescu: if he hadn't heard of the third reich instrument of surrender he'd be going around his village singing "tomorrow belongs to me". as it is, he derps on the periphery of google. if he realised tmsr owns the world he'd be "community organizing" for you. and so on. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, dunno if you care, but your blog signs as "http://119.3.12.182/wordpress/?p=101990" which ain't proper.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/antifa-terrorist-caught-posing-as-alt-right-sperglord/ << Qntra - AntiFA Terrorist Caught Posing As Alt-Right Sperglord
asciilifeform: ( at first, unabashed usgology; then rebranded, disguised , as it was rolled out to production boards )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821721 << yup. you realise that as far as the imbeciles are concerned, once we break their laptop "security" it'll have been "terrorism" and "hacking" bla bla. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: The vulnerability is "person physically in control of machine can fuck it as he likes"
mircea_popescu: (ftr, i am not proposing this agreement as some kind of proof.)
mircea_popescu: anyway ; basically old lizzards hold exact same pov as tmsr, keeping rsa keys and letting the bumbling kiddies play about with the ecc.
asciilifeform: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/master/chip/g/rdd.c#20 << as i suspected, thing drives the receiving end of the debug snake ( the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 item )
asciilifeform: yea there is not and afaik has never been such a thing as a truly pleasant laptop kbd
mircea_popescu: i honestly dunno what diff it makes for what's intended as a cheap throwaway anyway
asciilifeform: ( given as x86 cpu does not know how to speak spi/lpc/etc )
asciilifeform: ( i.e. 'h1' does not sit , as far as i can tell, between cpu and bootrom , but rather sits on the bus )
asciilifeform: it's pretty much same as intel 'me'
mircea_popescu: but yes, re the тяжело в учении -- легко в бою bit -- it comes as a shock generally that "your training must ~exceed~ actual usage, by a ~factor~. you don't train for 80% of what you'll do ; you train for 250% to 300%+ of what you'll actually do."
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as ankle weights. my slavegirls should know, they get them lots.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; i thought that point comes through, but maybe not as well as i'd have wanted.
asciilifeform: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/third_party/tpm2/+/master << for aficionados. the crypto, such as they are, routines in the cr50 thing. ( even seems to include a kind of orc rsa )
asciilifeform: same as when driven from real comp (unsurprising)
asciilifeform: in so far as i can tell, the thing implements plain old 'p256' ecctron
mircea_popescu: i mean, the backstop would obviously be "either follow spec as-is or get out of chan", i suppose. i don't specifically care either way, we already have plenty of proper loggers for one thing, and the original, "Hey, maybe someone exists on freenode that's both a) not totally braindead and b) hasn't heard of #trilema yet" was thoroughly proven wrong by now ; the intelligence flow is the other way.
mircea_popescu: scoff all you want, but as burl ives put it, "it's always there in the morning, ain't it".
phf: and as much as i sometimes scoff at the lizard hitler suggestion, the whole narrative, tacitly supported by the relevant designer, is very much it.
mircea_popescu: "oh, use this other one instead, terrorist, as you seem hell bent on breaking the chip off. this other one has it in the die, so you can't see it, will be all good"
asciilifeform: or is it for use as hammer ? ( it ain't a very good hammer )
mircea_popescu: there's basically nothing left inside these schmucks, "joe and thousands others [just like him]" isn't even perceived as insulting.
BingoBoingo: It's a small victory in the direction of capturing USB-C as a Republican standard
spyked: lol! I was just going to say that I kinda enjoyed barbilian's poems-as-puzzles back in highschool.
fromdeedbot: namecoin is the new black..... as soon as earthlings sort their shit out
BingoBoingo: And that's as big as they come before the carve out "bedrooms"
asciilifeform: given as an ic is a relatively (vs e.g. steel beams, or cement) 'soft' material, you would not need the capsule-of-doom from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-11#1812331 ☝︎
asciilifeform: given as they dun refract -- would need to use something like minksy's confocal method.
asciilifeform: ( re 'usb-c' -- it's an interesting item, worx as both usb and power in/out, the thing charges by being connected to mains brick through either of the 2 )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-06 12:59 mircea_popescu: spyked, re the other thing, i expect the item can be both massively trimmed and significantly improved still. the discussion was carried in principle ("so manty lines!") not really objectively, "why this exact line for each line". i think it's entirely possible even the final product, as a conceptual ideal, may exceed (reasonable!) expectations of "how long code should be".
mircea_popescu: spyked, re the other thing, i expect the item can be both massively trimmed and significantly improved still. the discussion was carried in principle ("so manty lines!") not really objectively, "why this exact line for each line". i think it's entirely possible even the final product, as a conceptual ideal, may exceed (reasonable!) expectations of "how long code should be". ☟︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820747 <-- I dun disagree at all. as far as the thought experiment goes, I still wonder, though, whether those edges of productivity follow from *all* the lines of mp-wp code and is more than the sum of each, or whether there's a lot of extra crud in there. perhaps overly naively/boyishly at the time, I started my (still ongoing) experiment the other way around ("what is the minimum number of lines to ☝︎
spyked: the question stemmed from "what are valid inputs for blogotron?", which led to "should comments be permitted for anons, or should they be predicated upon identity?". otherwise I very much like the current organization and I believe that venues that don't allow inline commenting (such as thetarpit in its current state) are only "half blogs", not fully.
phf: well, it's the old age comes for us all, none of them want to be césar luciani, and very few prepared to knowingly don the armor one last time and die under the hail of arrows so to speak. (and i'm giving them a lot of credit here as far as how they lived to begin with)