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trinque had a proper brio set
as a kid
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 02:06 asciilifeform: costs of chip fab
as we know it, and of orbital launch, are even comparable.
phf: from that perspective climacs is a better approach: common lisp
as a vm, mcclim
as an application authoring framework, climacs
as an editor widget
esthlos: somewhat on topic,
as someone still reading logz: is eventual plan tmsr dataflow lispm revival? heathen iron has to be abandoned, no?
Mocky: but
as you say asciilifeform, problem is deeper than that
mircea_popescu: this is not directly evident to me. it is impossible to use the killer micro
as a timeshare machine, yes.
mircea_popescu: who's gonna rewrite this into sanity ? and why, so
as to save the mozillatards ? break all the cr50s they scattered everywhere to save them ?
mircea_popescu: THIS is what i fucking mean re views. if i wanna see my data
as a graph it'd be useful if it were right there in the editor, and if i wanna see websites it'd better also.
mircea_popescu: this pretense is just
as good present
as absent, you know ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 04:57 asciilifeform: well, on classical x11 i have, e.g., machine that runs, say, 20 gui proggies, and each one 1) is on an entirely different machine, somewhere else, some of them not even on same continent 2) behaves EXACTLY
as if it were running locally, window reshapes, etc 3) none have any shared state with the others, each sees local disk only of own local machine etc
mircea_popescu: maybe i really don't want to look at it
as a succession of numbers. why, because i'm such a troglodyte ?
mircea_popescu: is it ~so wrong~ to want to have either literal or graphical display for a csv,
as an option ?
ben_vulpes: i'm amenable to dom
as presentation model, but abhor the browser scripting language and the cpp hydras that render the html/css/jsoup. that said if we cut "teh modern webb!" off entirely, i'll hafta bifurcate my workbench.
ben_vulpes: implementing the DOM and all of the california complexity doesn't mesh neatly with the text rendering already extant. i use emacs
as wm around browser and some other things (not many other things, really, but 'modern' dom-o-tron is sadly yet central to $work), for the expediency of my workbench having a single scriptinglang to move windows around, split whole monitor and arrange for specific workflows...
mircea_popescu: best definition of what a cult is, incidentally. "why was this cut there specifically ?" "i dunno." that's it, that's a cult. can't answer
as to why was something cut where it was.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so then, if no builtin browser, why have emacs
as wm at all.
mircea_popescu: if emacs is the wm, then it'd better a) rid me of browser and b) be capable of previewing for me the graph / naked slut / we i'm about to put on trilema, both BEFORE uploading and
as part of the final page preview.
mircea_popescu: which is why the idiots make feeble efforts to reunite them,
as recently lulzed at wrt unity, a few days ago
mircea_popescu: there's good reason to equate os and code editor, incidentally.
as the ~fundamental~ job of an operating system is to transform machine failures into debug sessions.
mircea_popescu:
as far
as i can tell, we've not yet said "emacs is really not the name we give the tmsr-os"
mircea_popescu: people who expect to run it atop musl
as opposed to atop gnarl, that's very much who.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i also use it
as wm; will endure the occasional freeze-ups because if emacs has died well then the whole machine's utility to me has gone to epsilon anyways
phf: mircea_popescu: it's not, but
as the mail trinque linked points out "the right solution requires a significant overhaul by someone with expertise in emacs internal"
mircea_popescu fully expected another rehash of "oh, it's glacial",
as people then present no doubt remember.
trinque: freedom rather than bureau of keybindings, disorganized and distributed in the heads of shithub derps
as it is
trinque: I'm proposing the right design is that in installing any module for the editor, you must
as a matter of protocol attach its functionality to your keyboard in order to use
mircea_popescu: trinque so then your desk can't be part of paperwork delivery because courrier doesn't know how to leave you paper ; and you'll have to clea nthe room yourself
as the black woman hired to clean the place can't interact with your desk ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 17:36 phf: there's also the thing that emacs started
as a lisp machine tool with a certain set of binding and behavioral conventions, and then slowly moved away from those conventions towards "user come to expect". we can't even talk about consistency here because things change drastically from v19 to current v25. e.g. <return> is newline <control-j> is newline and indent. but these days "everyone" expects return to newline and indent so the change has been globa
phf: xahlee actually went
as far
as releasing egroemacs where he reworked every single keybinding, making the result obviously incompatible with most elisp in the wild
mircea_popescu: which, imo, is enough to PERMANENTLY bury even the notion of "open source"
as a "collaborative" endeavour.
phf: there's also the thing that emacs started
as a lisp machine tool with a certain set of binding and behavioral conventions, and then slowly moved away from those conventions towards "user come to expect". we can't even talk about consistency here because things change drastically from v19 to current v25. e.g. <return> is newline <control-j> is newline and indent. but these days "everyone" expects return to newline and indent so the change has been globa
☟︎ mircea_popescu: dawgs, the question was
as to usercount. he answered, that he dun use it. what moar.
trinque: I would stand by the claim that emacs *can* be a time-sink, just
as moving your desk around the office each day can, but it doesn't have to be, and isn't inherent in the tool
trinque lives in the thing
as window manager even
phf: that's very true, elisp is not particularly bad
as a scripting language. with some effort can be stripped of extra baggage
mircea_popescu: consider -- if we agreed
as indeed we seem to have that scripting language (eg, for eventual webatron, and for everything else) should be lisp dialect,
a111: Logged on 2018-06-17 16:32 mircea_popescu: !!rate douchebag -1
as it turns out, the more elaborate effort one puts into distinguishing gold from sand, the more elaborately sandy sand the one ends up with. gold is irrespectively evident on the first pass.
mircea_popescu: "these magical bits were found on '''your''' computer, and
as we all know NOBUS coulda put 'em there"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:04 mircea_popescu: and we can keep going, but you get the idea. russians had managed to make themselves
as impopular
as humanly possible with the ~only martial neighbour it had at the time.
mircea_popescu: and we can keep going, but you get the idea. russians had managed to make themselves
as impopular
as humanly possible with the ~only martial neighbour it had at the time.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: the much-celebrated-by-axehandles, today
as in the radio free europe days "historical parties" cocksuckers kept sending letters "pointing out the problems", in the jewfuriating way they go about this, like idiot 15yos going "but dad, if house is foreclosed we'll lose out on our investment in carpeting" sorta bs.
mircea_popescu: exactly. he said
as much, repeatedly, and was plainly correct, which is why army followed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not true, however. he had an !!up, from cuccia,
as discussed yest. and they knew "who he is", so that wasn't the impediment either.
mircea_popescu: see, italy in the 30s ACTUALLY HAD people in it. us ~never had,
as best
as can be discerned, samuel clemens marks down the one or two he found in a 3k mile trip
as extreme rarities, in the 1800s.
mircea_popescu: and yes, "i'll take all measures to protect the lordship from criminals". doh. but then "criminals = the cool people ; the lordship = the baaaaaaa crowd" ?! what the fuck is broken in these brains, that they manage to evaluate 1=1
as true but then 1+1=1+1 comes out false ?
trinque: idea is v-portage becomes the primary portage repository for the system. ebuild porter can bolt in gentoo's portage
as an overlay, should be very easy
mircea_popescu: mcdonalds/walmart adapt to the exact needs of each customer coming in! ask them! and if this adaptation isn't obvious to you, it's because they are already perfectly adapted
as they are. ask them!
a111: Logged on 2018-06-18 18:14 asciilifeform: or how meat gets ,
as matter of routine, an elephant dose from electron gun ( or, sometimes, co-60 ) , 'or unsafe to sell'
hanbot: don't imagine the kneejerk retort of it "wasn't intentional" is going anywhere. it was intentional, you're the degree of moron whose intentions are hidden from "himself", assuming we'll pretend there's a "yourself" to be hidden from in the first place. which we mostly don't. isn't this beautiful, he magicallly knows how everything goes, even how to sort things, starts with the fuck you, everything. just
as long
as it's pro-inca, 'cause being a re
mircea_popescu: pro tip : southerners in egypt cca 3k years ago lived exactly like southerners in us cca 200 years ago : it was presumed they were someone's slave
as a matter of course, because how else beast in city.
mircea_popescu: and consider also the makework angle, it's fucking beautiful. so german-italy,
as a thoroughly nosnese piece of fanfic/wank, needs some sort of something to hold it together. what do they pick ? oh, eritrea! which they can't do, but need german airplanes etcv for (and still can't do). meanwhile sicilian-italy'd have had no such problem at all, THEY don't need eritrea for anything.
mircea_popescu: now try and construct a thought process explaining mussolini's choice in ~any other terms~ than the foregoing, i wish to see it. why exactly did he not say "o boy, i am so impressed, the government is henceforth to be formed exclusively from among the sicilian men of honor" but instead said "o boy, i am so impressed, the government is henceforth to be formed exclusively
as per german orders" ?
mircea_popescu: so that waffling, inept d'annunzion wanna-be, amilcare andrea, is elected by his enemies
as the least dangerous among his friends. cuz that's how papal elections work, and have worked since forever.
mircea_popescu: we could even go so far
as to say that inca is the chain-of-knaves.
mircea_popescu: " 1880s because totally, that's what you have servants for, not to rule their life but to hide away cowering somewhere ; it's not just that ladri de biciclete clearly and plainly shows the ~exact same~ roman insulae, 1950
as 19.5 -- except thoroughly deserted of the pater familias that'd have ~been~ ~there~ in the first century.
mircea_popescu: it's at the very least what their lawyer entered
as a plea.