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ben_vulpes: not a barb, asciilifeform

asciilifeform: the real puzzler will be whether the gossiptronic beast, where different folks actually see different universes, counts as 'a congress'...

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My time is more stained than usually. Been renting my attention out by the hour on a part time basis for fiat bucks lately.

phf: i have a bunch of work i want to put in into logs, just waiting for schedule to clear up

felipelalli: can I make a "gettrust" using deedbot?

phf: felipelalli: search is still not quite there yet, because i had a bandwidth limits, right now does straight up case-sensitive grep

asciilifeform: mod6: what's a pop-rock ?

felipelalli: there are a URL that keep the log of this channel? (please don't say "read the logs to know it") - and how can I search something in the log with deedbot? Is that possible?

BingoBoingo: Hey, Obeast took powered wheelchairs from hospitals and made it a trend. Why not shitpan for bed?

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in hospital, 'not from a good life', vs sheer putrid sloth, wtf

shinohai: That's a new level of fat degeneracy for me.

BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai Bed eating isn't a real addiction.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i only asked because a few of the discussed items in the past were from your mailpile iirc.

asciilifeform: so this is a strange bulldog-rhinoceros chimera.

asciilifeform: and a number of other key components of the kernel, such as memory allocator, are also in c

asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the enemy did not see it fit to try to sell us a clever dud

mircea_popescu: in other fucking lulz : pms on literotica, for ~day and a half. 5 clicks on bitly link, of which two mine checking it works. ARTICLE on trilema discussing the matter and in very passing offering the [unlinked] url for the bitly link. 12 clicks after half a day.

asciilifeform: incidentally a surprisingly mircea_popescutronic cartoon imho

mircea_popescu: yeah, and then you go into a tizzy when i consider how fat women on etsy "see themselves".

asciilifeform: and 'desperate for funds' is not quite it - they have vastly more funds than staff (for n00bs to subj, usg spending is - in a perverse and difficult to understand formula - tied to organizational staffing..)

asciilifeform: incidentally they had a very mircea_popescutronic-looking chick at the counter.

asciilifeform: in related nyooz, i go out of my zoo and think 'i will march in random direction', and lo and behold, a few km away, ru shop, sells sprats! etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this actually explains a great deal, ty.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a balabusta is a "proper jewish housewife" ; but in romanian just means old fat gypsy woman.

mircea_popescu: a ty

mircea_popescu: i dunno, deedbot got a lot of that too

phf: "We are looking for a ~generalist~ developer with a ~front-end focus~ and strong ~interest~ in working with the Clojure ecosystem who can lead or contribute to all aspects of a modern technology stack."

asciilifeform: i, for instance, have yet to even merit a traffic ticket

asciilifeform: and yes, planting a hdd full of cp is cheaper than a sniper hit, and setting somebody up to quietly starve is cheaper still, etc.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a more or less convincing argument that the cleanups are ~expensive~ and so the kill is used ~sparingly~

phf: i'm just failing to grok how that article warrants an "A-ha!" moment, when there's basically an endless stream of ineffectual aha-s for 90 some years (as far back as i read about this stuff)

asciilifeform: but until very recently, the fiction was maintained that 'hackerz are a law enforcement matter'

phf: well, in that article their pretense is defense against the hackers, a "recognized international cyberthreat"

asciilifeform: prior to ~that~, they had half a century of pretense of 'defense against su'

phf: it was always out in the open, they just gain new powers. each cycle brings a new pretense with a new set of powers

phf: i don't know ~who~ you're explaining this to, but you're missing my point. nsa/gchq ideology is out in the open, so there's no need to read it into any random event. if a policeman beats up a nigger one day and saves a kitten from a tree another, there's really no reason to read "reinforcement of hegemony" into the second action, since there's the first one

asciilifeform: and in general, the prevention of honest commerce as a possible thing to exist.

asciilifeform: they have a phrase they use amongst themselves, 'societal security'. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: phf: the 'idiot mode' thing is a clanging cymbal to distract reader from the brick-in-your-face-obvious fact that nsa et al openly brag about their actual ('societal control') work and are shedding the pretense of 'defense against foreign devils'

phf: the story immediately goes into idiot mode, where they say GCHQ called up publisher over leaks, but "nobody knows what they would've done if that was a real leak". triangulated the internet of course

asciilifeform: 'In a radio interview last week, Nigel Newton of Bloomsbury Publishing spoke about how the publisher had employed strong security measures to prevent possible leaks, including guard dogs and a constant security presence at the printing press. Seemingly, the company also had the support of GCHQ, the UK's primary signals intelligence and surveillance agency.'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one time, long ago, i pwned a sp4mz0r's box and it turned out that one of his pw's was 'balabusta'. i had the word in the back of my head ever since

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what exactly is a 'balabusta' ?

rithm: ethereum is still a thing?

mircea_popescu: incidentally, "the herd" is apparently a trope in the genre of "post-apocalypse/zombie invasion" copywriting.

asciilifeform: no, but there is a tremendous herd of captive cattle.

asciilifeform: the interesting aspect is that this was a glorious and joyous thing, because...

asciilifeform: the korans were of a very spiffy edition that does not exist on our planet, every 'key phrase' was annotated in 6 languages, but only one of them was arabic, the 5 others i did not recognize as earthling scripts at all.

asciilifeform: in not entirely unrelatez nyooz, i had a dream that they passed out korans at the office, and bearded blokes walked around to inquire, regularly, how much each schmuck has read and understood.

asciilifeform promises that if he ever begs for spare change, he will do it under a d.c. bridge and not ever here.

mircea_popescu: he did not. i asked him if he'd take you, as a personal favour. because you were going all nutso.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc you suggested it simply as a barb

mircea_popescu: the fact of the matter is that irrespective of how foreign, the gyneceum is in point of fact the matrix of a whole lotta things.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450020 << i can't help but wonder if mircea_popescu actually thinks the inside of his harem is relevant to other people. i find it interesting, yes, but it is rather like the inside of a particle accelerator - not particularly related to any situation i am likely to ever encounter imho. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 05:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449953 << word. nfi when bois figured "the way to carrie" is to "be a recruiter" instead of w/e the fuck those schmucks in friends/cheers/whatevers are. "designers" or "writers" or whatnot.

a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 06:50 phf: although there are two particular towns that are considered something of that, Uryupinsk and Muhosransk. first one is a real town, but second one translates as "town of fly-shit"

asciilifeform: the pentagon is a few km away.

asciilifeform: (or, alternatively, i'm not 1333333337 enough by a long shot to know where to find it)

asciilifeform: 11:02 <+jurov> but then, why even have a job at all and not freelance? << because there is ~0 demand for what i do among folks who employ freelancers ?

gernika: jurov - absolutely. employment is a scam.

a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 06:04 mircea_popescu: generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers.

gernika: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450022 << what makes a job *less* shitty? ☝︎

jurov: but then, why even have a job at all and not freelance?

gernika: the telecommute *can* give one more time, as asciilifeform says - 60 hours a month. Health too - commutes are not good for you.

asciilifeform: at any rate, i can't do anything useful while in a moving vehicle, tried many times over whole life

asciilifeform: and how do coinz enter into this, in so far as i'm concerned those are a nonrenewable resource that i carefully hoard, i don't get paid in'em

mircea_popescu: incidentally phf is there a log bundle for download somewhere ? ☟︎☟︎

phf: yeah that's a good choice. that one is particularly painful one, because it has no qualities beyond "people sleep there and then commute for 4 hours everyday to work in moscow"

mircea_popescu: sounds like the great name of a russian bakersfield. could even be a character, Jim from Jimki

phf: although there are two particular towns that are considered something of that, Uryupinsk and Muhosransk. first one is a real town, but second one translates as "town of fly-shit" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ering ; the train station had a monstrous clock whose face had the time in both roman numerals (I to XII, except for IV which is for some reason marked as IIII) as well as arabic (13 to 24). etc.

mircea_popescu: (also locally famous for the locally-celebrated "7 wonders of Caracal", to wit : that it has a prison, on Freedom street ; one bread factory, on Famine street ; the only school is called "School #2" ; the fire department burned down ; the door of police preceinct was stolen ; they built around a high crane in such a way the crane couldn't be extracted anymore so was left on the grounds, a sort of monument to caracalean engine

phf: yeah, i'm wondering if there even exists a ru equivalent concept

ben_vulpes: he looks a bit displeased

phf: but on the bright side, the man would've been fired were it a circa 2016 picture

phf: that's a cool people hair, eastern europe, new york, batcave even

mircea_popescu: this is totally how i'd run a softwareho sweatshop if i were running one.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450000 << install a coupla poles, hire strippers to work in the middle and serve one free drink/hour ; you're made. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: generally speaking, alienation makes untenable socialisation more bearable, which is why alienation is a DEFENSE MECHANISM! so yes, the shittier the job is, the more people want to "work from home". it never occurs to them that the problem isn't going to be solved by "finding the right tweak of the right knob", so they do what they do. as per above discussion of foreskin pullers. ☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 04:47 phf: there's nothing that makes an open office like that an inherently bad idea. i'm sure before it turned into a nasty cost saving fad, a group of people could assemble for a period of time and in such a space so as to successfully deliver. it just that the model now stands for shit jobs, because that's the only jobs easily accessible in failing economies. a shit job is not going to be made better by a wfh

a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 04:26 gernika: I regularly meet people who *just* moved here and are working on a kickstarter.

a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 04:00 punkman: a lot of it is from the fucking recruiters spamming everywhere with imagined job descriptions

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1449953 << word. nfi when bois figured "the way to carrie" is to "be a recruiter" instead of w/e the fuck those schmucks in friends/cheers/whatevers are. "designers" or "writers" or whatnot. ☝︎☟︎

phf: there's a difference between "when we rich we get individual offices" and "we all scream together in a giant room, because we're happening right now"

ben_vulpes: benefits: a) privacy. only the desk next to a given desk can really see what's on the screen. b) gotta be intentional about conversations, look around the monitors at each other.

adlai: sounds like a microchip,of the square millipede persuasion

phf: there's nothing that makes an open office like that an inherently bad idea. i'm sure before it turned into a nasty cost saving fad, a group of people could assemble for a period of time and in such a space so as to successfully deliver. it just that the model now stands for shit jobs, because that's the only jobs easily accessible in failing economies. a shit job is not going to be made better by a wfh ☟︎

adlai: too bad i'm such a liar!

adlai: gernika: that's just how autodesk was, but it was a pretty cool office. i'd probably kill a family member (no-nuke-o) to work there again.

adlai is a two-syllable name, and caused himself great suffering to utter that joke out loud

adlai: asciilifeform: as i just said (to my dad!), "every time i open my mouth, i add-a-lie to the world"

gernika: I regularly meet people who *just* moved here and are working on a kickstarter. ☟︎

asciilifeform: twenties there were as many as 30,000 painters in Paris, most of them impostors. The populace had grown so hardened to artists that gruff-voiced lesbians in corduroy breeches and young men in Grecian or medieval costume could walk the streets without attracting a glance, and along the Seine banks Notre Dame it was almost impossible to pick one's way between the sketching-stools. It was the age of dark horses and neglected genii; the

asciilifeform: see also orwell's proverbial 'During the boom years, when dollars were plentiful and the exchange-value of the franc was low, Paris was invaded by such a swarm of artists, writers, students, dilettanti, sight-seers, debauchees, and plain idlers as the world has probably never seen. In some quarters of the town the so-called artists must actually have outnumbered the working population — indeed, it has been reckoned that in the late

asciilifeform: but i dun need a flat in a motherfucking tower with no dishwasher for 5k/mo, for anything.

asciilifeform: for a while my phone rang and rang with it

asciilifeform: i turned down a bunch of work from that city

asciilifeform never set foot in such a thing

gernika: or commuting to do it in such a hellspace