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a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 16:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806449 << this appears to be honest work, but if you look at what he actually did, and with what resources, the 'imponade' evaporates away -- he made a coupla-transistor ic , and with 'garage' filled with a princely collection of surplus industrial gear ( electron microscope, sputtering chamber, ~very~ high end optical microscopes, incl. the one he junkyard-wars'd into a lithography box ) ,
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806515 << recall the black genius kid who made a clock out of "household materials" such as... a clock ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 15:59 mircea_popescu adds this to his private "annals of orc history", in there with the scottish empire at darien and stuffs.
mircea_popescu: the latter is entirely the reason ireland didn't go the way of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725493 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to describe how infinitely more mindnumbingly boring some moron derping on about priviledge, women's rights, blacks whatevers is when compared to any old bitty that wants to talk of nothing but cheap meals and best way to make prune jam.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806501 << this is very muych so ; even entriely banal procedures that built and butressed cont9inued human occupation of their sad patches of soil, like say putting up preserves for the winter, are far outside their mental scope. unlike whatever irrelevant pantsuit fashions, which never did jack measurable anything, but which are all they fucking talk about. ☝︎
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu has a pretty good oubliette design on trilema a while bacj
mircea_popescu: sadly the discoveries are unactionable and incommunicable.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the well of knowledge, pushing the infinite boundaries of darkness towards their core that spawned them, i give you... WOMAN! https://78.media.tumblr.com/dfa482d3716c7dd79d85a2ccf8dcff60/tumblr_nraxucVa9S1ribksno9_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: (gift to the sublime porte)
mircea_popescu: well, i always thought polkovnik is a guy who brings graft money.
asciilifeform: i.e. like подполковник ( lt colonel ) to полковник (colonel)
asciilifeform: reminds me, of how asciilifeform once time thought that the common surname 'subrahmanian' refers to something like a lieutenant-brahmin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i expect submasalah is the hottentottenmutter stottertrottel version of sub[missive]-massah-allah.
mircea_popescu: pinoy actually uses shanonizing as THE, not an, but THE intellectual mode of life. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, check this shit out : http://mulyadi.staff.uns.ac.id/2013/06/19/proses-desain-menurut-archer/
asciilifeform also curious re why the port required 300kB of patch, incl to .adb/.ads of gnat, but possibly this will be answered later
asciilifeform: ( of the compiler that you produced, that is, when it builds e.g. ffa )
asciilifeform: ave1: out of curiosity, didja look at the output ? what bitness is it ?
asciilifeform: ( and yes i ran it, and possibly in 3hrs i'll see what came out of it, but currently i suspect that it's gonna build 32bit elfs )
asciilifeform: show me where it turns into --with-arch=aarch64
asciilifeform: ave1: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cSP4C/?raw=true << is what i see. doesn't answer the riddle
ave1: look at build-ada.sh (I did not update the documents etc)
asciilifeform: btw ave1 the only WITH_ARCH i see in your text is 'armv7'. so how does it work on aarch64 ?
ave1: btw successful build of the whole thing takes about 3 hours on my machine
ave1: Yes I have developed and run this on a computer without musl
asciilifeform: ave1: ( have you tested this on a box that has never seen musl ? ^this is what i got. )
ave1: A sorry, I stand corrected, it needs to be an absolute directory name
ave1: i.e. you can copy them to other dirs if wanted
ave1: the final compilers are not depended on that part
ave1: You can clear it or keep it, You'll need to run ./ada-build.sh <DIR>
asciilifeform: ave1: so where ought i to set this dir ?
ave1: I.E. it's the directory under which all the compilers will be installed
ave1: Aha, I should have cleared that one, it will be overridden by the build-ada.sh script
ave1: Sorry, for the confusion
ave1: The whole static/dynamic statement was about the code generated by the compilers
ave1: so those will work everywhere
ave1: I made a mistake on the earlier assertion, it works on glibc machines
asciilifeform: ( afaik only trinque has one )
ave1: o sorry, no not musltronic, the adacore one will work fine
asciilifeform: because this means that asciilifeform cannot currently even begin to test ave1's thing -- asciilifeform does not have a musltronic-linux machine
asciilifeform: so lemme get this straight : this entire thing requires a pre-existing 100%-musltronic linux, to work at all ??
ave1: it's part of the cross compiler (under aarch64-linux-musl/aarch64-linux-musl/lib directory). The compilers assume it will live under /lib/ld.so, so that part won't work on glibc machines
asciilifeform: ave1: where, incidentally, does one get this ld.so ?
ave1: So static code works out of the box, but dynamic not so
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my observation was moar re the 'field' than even the particular item.
ave1: BTW although it does build code based on shared libraries, this code needs the musl "ld.so" to live at a specific place, so that does not work.
ave1: It's an artifact of the original script, you get a 'cross' compiler that creates code for the same machin
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll put teh scare quotes in a clown mask next time
asciilifeform: what happens if you build 'cross' but with 'x86-64' as the target ?
ave1: for the cross-compiler "yes" for the native one "no"
asciilifeform: right, but ave1 did you actually get the complete equivalent-to-binary-kit-from-adacore-complete-with-gprbuild-etc made ?
ave1: I build it with gnatmake -Pffa_demo.gpr (I did this up to chapter 3 so far)
ave1: you'll need gnat2016 from AdaCore on an intel 64bit machine, and that should be all (except for a shell tar, curl etc)
asciilifeform: i'll point out, this is not equivalent to 'build ffa', the gpr file is part of ffa, and contains essential functionality ( mainly , incorporates the restriction flags, mandates staticity )
ave1: asciilifeform, that work has been done, it builds a native compiler with gcc/g++ and gnatmake but not with gprbuild yet (this last one can be build on the target machine). I can build the FFA code on an aarch64 machine with the resulting compiler.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-18 04:31 asciilifeform: the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re ic fabs, see also ancient thread http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-18#1023009 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: ave1: i.e. is the tarball 'ready for primetime' ? ... or requires toothpicks, glue, and a month of ???
asciilifeform: ave1: plox elaborate re the 'after some more work' item ?
ave1: asciilifeform, Thanks! I seem to have made a copy and paste error. Links should be updated now...
asciilifeform: ( for the sake of thread-completeness, what would the ~alternative~ to this story look like? i suggest -- it'd be a process which does to ic fab what 'polaroid' process did to colour photography. find way of etching the circuit from prefab 'sandwich' without caustic baths, sputtering, etc... ) ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: picture, with access to e.g. boeing's , junkyard, a similar d00d could build something like the nazi 1-seat jet, with own hands also. but to describe it as 'garage-buildable jet' is rather chumpatronic spin imho.
asciilifeform: point being, d00d made 0 fundamental breakthrough that would enable 'cheap ic fab' or anything even with stretch of imagination describable as such a thing.
asciilifeform: i also gotta point out that to make larger ic is quite more than linearly moar painful ( 1 defect --> rubbish; larger die , with 'orc' process, means that P of fatal defect approaches 1 )
asciilifeform: i.e. not the typical meaning of 'garage', and not replicable by anybody without either couple-deca-$mil or 25 yrs of access to just-so junkyards
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806449 << this appears to be honest work, but if you look at what he actually did, and with what resources, the 'imponade' evaporates away -- he made a coupla-transistor ic , and with 'garage' filled with a princely collection of surplus industrial gear ( electron microscope, sputtering chamber, ~very~ high end optical microscopes, incl. the one he junkyard-wars'd into a lithography box ) , ☝︎☟︎
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell ave1 http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806475 >> http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-with-arm-64-bit-support/#comment-46 ☝︎
BigTexasBingo: The Irish religious applications of insect repellent lead me to believe they are reinfesting the place with cinches
BigTexasBingo: We don't have threatening mosquitoes here. There is a bit of Dengue in the North of Uruaguay, but in the city it isn't a thing
asciilifeform: ( how this is possible -- i've currently nfi )
asciilifeform: but, to be fair, 0 mosquitos
phf: but at the same time i suspect that the hostel in question doesn't for example have mosquito nets on bed frames, so it's possible that nigger runs deep in this particular case.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 15:12 BingoBoingo: And the FUCKING POTATO NIGGERS INSIST on closing the windows and blinds to the room as they remain passed out until 16:00 hrs.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806496 << first world "men" don't understand the concept of hygiene, i suspect that as the infrastructure starts failing this would be the number one reason of rapid decay. hygiene not just in a sense of "washing hands", but the idea that there's certain procedures that you have to follow in order to not get fucked over by the environment ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: And in other turds >> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20180429101731 "-fretpoline for non-RAMDISK kernels. Skylake product needs it, and therefore all other x86 cpus must pay the performance price of the hazard workaround until Skylake disappears from the ecosystem eventually like 486. This returns your cpu's performance to pre-inflated performance."
BingoBoingo: And so because these fuckers are afraid of mosquitos coming in an even slightly open window while likely reintroducing chinches de cama, everything must mildew. Thus is the determination of the Irish hivemind
BingoBoingo: Fucking 20-25 year old college students and graduates that never learned how to dorm without being completely disgusting
BingoBoingo: By the time the fuckers leave there is a disturbingly high chance everything that isn't already mildewed will be.
BingoBoingo: And the FUCKING POTATO NIGGERS INSIST on closing the windows and blinds to the room as they remain passed out until 16:00 hrs. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Fuck this humidity
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-30#1806395 << If anyone wants to read / check sigs, these have not been through the mangler. Should be ok. ☝︎
mod6: jurov: Ah, alright, thanks for checking. It's weird because I did check the clearsigned file before sending, verified fine. Mail Client / ML must have magled it.
jurov: Really curious which misfeature caused the breakage this time.
jurov: I have got this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2Bfjx/?raw=true
jurov: And attach it as first attachment. Then in case of problems check it against contents in your "sent mail" to rule out mutilation by your email client.
jurov: mod6: when you have such complicated text, it's best to keep it clearsigned in a file.
jurov: mod6: the clearsigned text has bad signature
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB0D4276A5FC8D25B4B36A6949A1739C23C82C7E8B46D6C93257C1F35F23A8DF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...2929 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.67.174.67 (ssh-rsa key from 80.67.174.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D60710F34429805CA983E018B19C9D0400E3978C6A4F97721303D362A1E9941 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9371...7789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.72.147 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.72.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (fixed-189-203-72-147.totalplay.net. MX DIF)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97816E68FFBD245AD39F3509A34B16D8F193D91A6125903354AB4CB383548F3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9371...7789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.149 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (fixed-189-203-181-149.totalplay.net. MX DIF)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/839ABB69349BD78F784309DB89D871C3CA284C1EF0E060E1FF3A19BEB3882351 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9371...7789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.188.126.28 (ssh-rsa key from 187.188.126.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (fixed-187-188-126-28.totalplay.net. MX DIF)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/643A139EF044F87F326F313092BDE22D60C79A81318BABB87AE5C142BC86B939 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9371...7789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.7 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.7 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (fixed-189-203-181-7.totalplay.net. MX DIF)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7763314024A636A7A49B1EBDE60BB1C47E2A8DE95A02C3FFCF374D32BEADCBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9371...7789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.151 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (fixed-189-203-181-151.totalplay.net. MX DIF)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D0F4D10B2071CB5D0BE46C03E04D6543662B6EE4BD153225B345E05B6CFA1D6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9371...7789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.9 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (fixed-189-203-181-9.totalplay.net. MX DIF)
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-04-30 06:58:50: <mircea_popescu> well, if pinochle fellow gets around to modeling it properly, we might even find out what they're worth!
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-04-30 06:58:50: <mircea_popescu> well, if pinochle fellow gets around to modeling it properly, we might even find out what they're worth!
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-04-30 06:58:50: <mircea_popescu> well, if pinochle fellow gets around to modeling it properly, we might even find out what they're worth!