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mircea_popescu: rsed
to open
the kibble package on
their own and without complaining it's
too hard
to open."
mircea_popescu: and
the problem isn't even
that "it
takes a skilled man 5 years
to handmake a watch", because half-mn watches would sell and skilled people make less
than 100k a year routinely.
the problem is rather "are you fucking kidding me,
the only way you can find whores is if you find someone
to persuade women-on-couches
that whoring wouldn't inconvenience
their couch-bound lifestyle, wtf handmade clocks. you're lucky if
they can be a
mircea_popescu: mechanical movements with standardized parts, now
THAT is one fucking lulz.
mircea_popescu: well,
there's a large pile of veblenizers
that make "heirloom" watches. but
they're all mechanically made and consequently fundamentally uninteresting.
talk about "Accept
the form of
the argument so as
to debate its conclusions" failure mode. somehow nobody
told
them
that if
they do move
to industrial process,
there's no possible argument as
to why not quartz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, but clockmaking WAS a school, back before
the "you can do anything" and "you're perfect
the way ytou are" 1789 moment.
mircea_popescu: anyway -- lawnmower flying machines are slow enough, loud enough, limited enough,
targettable enough, undynamic enough and everything else enough
that even 1980s
tech bound empire can handle
them, even "en masse" (they can't mass well either)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure, once. but as a
thing, you know ? as a ~school~.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform,
the
true reason "no need
to optimize on
that axis" is because it's a flying machine
that doesn't
threaten
the usg.
mircea_popescu: i would personally really like a metal-miniaturization school. i would like
to see not only really
tiny machine guns as in ye ancient discussion of anti-fly capable
tabletop AA batteries ; but also
tiny engines, as in matchbox sized model cars
THAT ACTUALLY
TAKE FUEL, from
the dropper. one drop = full
tank. and
then go.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-28 02:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch
the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me
to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
ben_vulpes: anyways, lawnmower engine can lift all
that you could possibly want
to lift. no need
to optimize on
this axis.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: peroxide goes
through half-decade-ly popularity cycles, folks discover
the cat packs are a pita, move on
to propane or other low-dough exotics.
ben_vulpes: because intellectually lazy americans have outgrown
their curiosity, and buy kits
to bolt
together. "look ma, i r aerospace engineer!"
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 16:07 ben_vulpes looking forward
to
that puncturing
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, ^L is page break, very early printer-bound substitute for
the later notion of "files"
phf: asciilifeform: i suspect
there are old school historic reasons for not using own vessels for
target practice.
ben_vulpes: no, but vastly less so
than
the generator assy. it's a collar around each prop.
ben_vulpes: you can get
the fine control with mechanical rotor pitch variation as well.
ben_vulpes: in other usg idiocies, i recently found a dood who achieved
the not-insignificant feat of a constant propspeed belt-drive GAS ENGINE QUADCOPTER butbutbut
the rotor pitch variation mechanism RUNS OVER WIFI
ben_vulpes: now i sympathize deeply but
the apparent frugality is at such odds with
the otherwise liberal combustion of dollars
that it induces a painful headache of cognitive dissonance
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was saddened
that
they're apparently in bed with such jews
that
they can't bring
themselves
to sink
the
target ship
phf: it's a page break, historically used
to indicate sections, so when you e.g. spool it
to printer you get a page break at
the end of each section. emacs (but so did zwei) have special keys for handling it at
top level
ben_vulpes: shows up as speshulchar ^L in emacs; i've seen
this before in other lispwads written by
the github crew and don't really know what
to make of it. convention of
the ancients? perhaps asciilifeform or phf or someone else who's literate and knows history could enlighten me.
ben_vulpes: also esthlos what's with
the linefeeds and extreeeeemely wide codeformatting?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, an' if it's different
today it has a lot
to do with candi_lustt
ben_vulpes: esthlos: also needs a build script
to produce a binary for use outside of a LISP repl; my lisp v implementation ran afoul of
this years ago. ~nobody would fire up a lisp repl
to
test
the
thing.
this may be different
today, but
the fact remains
that for
this
to make it into widespread use it's going
to need
to be callable from
the linux cli.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the definition isn't "at least one good signature from declared .wot in .seals dir" but "at least one good signature and no bad signatures from declared .wot in .seals dir".
ben_vulpes: actually invalid signature in .seals should stop
the world, but i don't recall offhand if
that's differentiable from
the no key for signature case
ben_vulpes: esthlos: i would like
to see it complain loudly if it finds a bad signature, not merely look for some good ones
ben_vulpes: use a
tempdir for gnupg's keyring;
thing must be stateless.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 15:05 ave1:
The weather has suddenly gone from 15 degrees celcius /cloudy/raining
to over 25 with sun here, so
the garden is exploding and needs some serious cutting
ben_vulpes: esthlos: seems your v doesn't
take a head
to which
to press, but implicitly presses whatever comes out of
the
toposort;
this is incorrect and
the operator needs a lever
there
a111: Logged on 2018-05-08 14:45 ave1: diana_coman,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810933, I'm working on it, getting rid of
the git line was a bit harder
than expected (apparently nobody hosts
this as as a
tar.gz file). Also, all my parallel builds of
the whole
thing fail.
trinque: esthlos: ah ok,
thought run-program was coming from uiop. sounds like sbcl, cmucl, and ccl would be
the desired
targets.
ave1: The weather has suddenly gone from 15 degrees celcius /cloudy/raining
to over 25 with sun here, so
the garden is exploding and needs some serious cutting
☟︎ ave1: It does have a rudimentary version, but
then it re-uses
the directories for
the next round. Currently, I hope
to get
this done
this week.
ave1: Probably, I will first focus
to get
the stages building done,
that will make it way more easy
to debug
ave1: Yes, 2.14 (this was
to find out if I could make glibc produce smaller statically build outputs)
ave1: It may also be something with
the gmake on
this machine, an earlier glibc also failed
to build in parallel
ave1: These are not modified as far as rules go, just small fixes
to make cross-compiling with differently named compilers possible
ave1: Yes, I was looking into how I could make
the flags not apply for specific makefiles
ave1: I suspect
the ada makefile(s) have a problem with some of
the rules
a111: Logged on 2018-05-07 19:38 diana_coman: ave1, any chance you
tweak
that script so I can at least
test it in stages rather
than 3-4 hour all-or-nothing
thing?
ave1: diana_coman,
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-07#1810933, I'm working on it, getting rid of
the git line was a bit harder
than expected (apparently nobody hosts
this as as a
tar.gz file). Also, all my parallel builds of
the whole
thing fail.
☝︎☟︎ mod6: yah,
that's what i mean. eaten.
mod6: wow, phuctor is crunchin
through 'em quick huh
esthlos: it should be fixed if I replace
the current call
to run-program with
the full sb-ext:run-program, and really
the call should be fixed
to work on ccl as well
esthlos: trinque: yesterday could not make it
to irc. removing
the dependancy on cl-ppcre shoudn't be
too hard. sbcl comes with sb-ext:run-program, which wraps a call
to execvp (
http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#DOCF7). if somehow uiop is being
thrown into
the mix,
then it shouldn't be
trinque: got it running in
the "runit" service manager, has a logger called svlogd which reads from stdin, farts
to logfile with
timestamps (if directed)
lobbes: trinque, how'd you get your log
to show
timestamps? Mine seems
to be missing
them
trinque: far as I'm aware it's logging
the rejected connect attempts
trinque: this is a
trb log, not some banthing I made
lobbes: well, hell,
the later
the better mebbe
lobbes has only done karaoke once, and it was
to rickroll
the audience