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mp_en_viaje: jfw, thanks, but i don't intend to stretch it that far.
diana_coman: jfw: no, it wouldn't solve the problem at hand, indeed.
jfw: I mean, I could easily say "use this gpg command and look for this message to verify, then if that succeeds run this patch command", I tested all that, it will work, but I don't perceive it to solve the problem at hand.
mp_en_viaje: v has an intrinsic bootstrapping problem we never actually resolved, doesn't it.
diana_coman: jfw: why don't you take the zip, do the test run and then you know and can tell ?
mp_en_viaje: i'm willing to pay a visit, but... can i have like... a chair ? because no, "sit anywhere" isn't really an equivalent
mp_en_viaje: invented whatever, iirc i just recognized the importance of shit other people came up with. but more's the point : you sit there "ready for sex" but you don't know where your zipper is or how it opens ? "any way!!!" ? wtf how are we to satisfyingly copulate here ?
jfw: That I'm misusing the tool you invented and haven't fully tested a better process?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno why more people don't read more code. i swear to god usg-sponsored "comedy" is nowhere near as funny.
mp_en_viaje: this premise is contrary to the other premise, a secure system is specifically one that doesn't do everything.
mp_en_viaje: so don't you try solving the grave problem of the user being entirely surrounded by a sybil inside the secure code. let him worry about that outside the box.
jfw: mp_en_viaje: yes. I don't think I'm confused in the suggested way: can't information be public but still sensitive to tampering?
mp_en_viaje: jfw, there's nothing to trust. what am i trusting ? that indeed address x holds y ? this isn't the sort of thing that requires trust
mp_en_viaje: you don't need a secure machine to "find it on its own"
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 18:56:30 jfw: Moving on though: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959066 - I'm honored; was spinning a bit on "but what if it fucks up and zaps more coin than I've ever laid hands on??" but yeah, can't wait for another life, it's about time
jfw: The main fusing as far as I see is that it can't even be established what your pile of coin is without trusting at least one online machine
mp_en_viaje: well, if they're fused at the hip so to speak, i don't think it would.
mp_en_viaje: you see how these aren't comensurate at all ?
mp_en_viaje: now, i didn't do this because "i absolutely needed to", obviously. i chose to do it, for instance to keep my harem in good shape, and informed, connected to the world such as it is, immersed in reality as it were. i believe in such things.
mp_en_viaje: i mean... i dunno how to put it, you can do the job of producing raw tx by awk and bc in command line, and i don't mean lineS, i mean one fucking line, though it may run long.
mp_en_viaje: but doesn't it strike you as at best odd to call this an offline anything ?
mp_en_viaje: well, gcc doesn't know what to do with genesises, so there's a gap.
jfw: mp_en_viaje: I didn't think there was such a thing established, indeed, hence the question
jfw: I haven't got an intro article out yet (sorry diana_coman) but genesis for the parts are at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/v/ : gscm, gbw-signer, gbw-node.
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959363 - I *thought* there was something deeper being said in this thread that I wasn't grasping.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-12 00:19:33 trinque: but anyway. I wasn't describing an item I wish I had. I was describing an item I'm building.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-12#1959477 - what do you expect to run on what you're building ? trb ? or is it a bridge too far since isn't required to boot, edit and rebuild ?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-12#1959478 - gales linux covers that today. I don't doubt it can be slimmed substantially. nevertheless, the take away from the first thread was it ain't enough.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-12#1959474 - the first reason is the current gbw-node is in python. the second reason is t
trinque: but anyway. I wasn't describing an item I wish I had. I was describing an item I'm building.
trinque: if you want "doesn't have batshit bashism" to be the measure of which shell to use, idem
jfw: I haven't actually tried mdev so I'm not quite at "makedev can be dropped" but I'm certainly open to it.
dorion: jfw can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think he knew busybox includes runit. since he was already used to using daemontools and daemontools is the predecessor to runit anyways he went with that.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-11 02:01:59 trinque: dorion: yes, I haven't had time to complete the final post, but last I checked y'all were pretty opposed to using busybox-only for the userland.
jfw: that's 1). 2) what do you mean by "busybox-only" - because far as I know you can't possibly mean exactly that, it doesn't have an mkfs or make for example, let alone a compiler. Do you mean, "system which selects components outside busybox only if busybox $version does not contain them"? I'll note that busybox is an amalgam of code from a variety of sources and, ahem, "Adjusted by so many folks,
trinque: I'll point out again for the logs that my picking busybox wasn't just "whatever, it's small, and it's all there"
trinque: dorion: yes, I haven't had time to complete the final post, but last I checked y'all were pretty opposed to using busybox-only for the userland.
lobbes: k. And I guess just let me know whenever / however you wanna try to get that t.com > t.net update process going. I'll try to find time where needed
mp_en_viaje: honestly i think what i'll go for will be : (using trilema.com for current trilema and trilema.net for pizdi's box), hve a mysql server run on both, have t.com update both rather than just its own, and have it read the day's logs at some point tomorrow. this way people can use t.net for any purpose except write a comment.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 19:08:58 lobbes: Instead, I figure why don't I just cut out 2,3,4,5 and instead I just alter my 1) to pull logs from my Postgres database in the same format of your input into your backfill process (which has already been proven to function to spec)?
mp_en_viaje: honestly, the stuff pizdi's dumping in the test blog is perfectly fine. why can't you just dump the missing logs into her ?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: I don't think it'll record line changes. Though I honestly did not test if it would break it
mp_en_viaje: omfg, the coffee in this country. idiot germans come in and buy all the best sorts anyone can be arsed to sell them ; then you go to germany and can't have a decent cup of coffee. i just can't set it down.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje, hm, I can't find a reference to a log8.txt in that discussion, but if that was what you used for your input file then yeah definitely I'd want to see that
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:51:09 diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: to my mind there wasn't anything new/unknown/controversial in there really; (or I'd have moved it to #t earlier anyway).
lobbes: Instead, I figure why don't I just cut out 2,3,4,5 and instead I just alter my 1) to pull logs from my Postgres database in the same format of your input into your backfill process (which has already been proven to function to spec)?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-04 04:37:32 mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of these to 2019-12-03 22:03:06 time ?! didn't we go through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-02 09:13:50 mp_en_viaje: trinque, the problem with your proposal is that the article isn't yet loaded at that point.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-10 13:12:20 mp_en_viaje: is pondering this wonder. wtf are you idiots doing over there ? srsly tryina come up with all this shit on your own, who knows, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, then i go read it on qntra and what, maybe i agree, maybe i don't, in any case ~after the fact~, at which point as chance dictates, either i sever the link or not ?
dorion: hey trinque, minding the previous point and earlier point and questions, why don't we set a time to discuss where you're at and what the next steps are ?
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-10#1959292 - I don't recall for not having been there, but makes sense they operate with a wot.
jfw: **The consequences if it were incorrect are mostly that the tx wouldn't validate ...
jfw: As for the private key, since as I understand you want to spend from an existing one imported from some other wallet implementation, I should note that it can be imported in hex or WIF format, however, as in TRB, "compressed" keys aren't presently distinguished. It's possible to use them through some code tweaks, though it's presently all one or all the other.
jfw: The consequences of its being incorrect are mostly that the tx won't validate - EXCEPT (I recently realized) for the value field, which could be used to subvert the fee and change computation.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: to my mind there wasn't anything new/unknown/controversial in there really; (or I'd have moved it to #t earlier anyway).
mp_en_viaje is pondering this wonder. wtf are you idiots doing over there ? srsly tryina come up with all this shit on your own, who knows, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, then i go read it on qntra and what, maybe i agree, maybe i don't, in any case ~after the fact~, at which point as chance dictates, either i sever the link or not ?
billymg: mp_en_viaje: yeah, we had them explain it. and it was just: need lifeguard on duty or else no swimming. didn't press them enough re: dangers of empty pool because by then they had backed down
billymg: mp_en_viaje: yeah, the conversation with the tico was productive, he was also throwing up his hands in disbelief at their request. i coached him into telling them to walk after realizing they really have no other options (other hotels aren't gonna empty pools / don't have lifeguards on duty, and tour group dun have the budget themselves to hire the lifeguard)
billymg: their first request was, get this, empty the pool because we don't want the risk of the kids (college) drowning
mp_en_viaje: "even if you don't personally use the internet, it's like having electricity. you can go a whole life without electricity too! but from experience, a) you won't once it's there ; and moreover b) if you ever sell, it sells for more."
mp_en_viaje: billymg, i don't get it, what are you asking ?
mp_en_viaje: so you got a perfect in, don't even need whaack 's proverbial gift basket. just go knocking on doors explain what you're tying to do, organize a fiber club
billymg: so will be at my expense. whaack talked to one of their customer support agents who didn't really know what it would cost but thought roughly $2-5k for the laying of the cable
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-09 diana_coman: ftr re clock, my scripts don't bother with "end of task" - there's no end to anything, only start of next thing whether that's break or whatever; since time is spent anyway, the start of a new thing is by definition the end of the previous.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-03-10 dorion: BingoBoingo, http://trilema.com/2017/remember-the-security-hole-automattic-refused-to-fix-back-in-2014?b=that.%20Well..&e=able#select isn't selecting for me.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-03-10#1020533 << isn't selecting for me either. the reason is that the text isn't "that, Well" but "that. <a href=blabla>Well". select dun work well with a href boundaries.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-04 04:37:32 mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of these to 2019-12-03 22:03:06 time ?! didn't we go through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.
mp_en_viaje: if this isn't what it does, i suspect i might deeply misunderstand wtf it actually does.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-04 04:37:32 mircea_popescu: lobbes wtf dude, you set ALL of these to 2019-12-03 22:03:06 time ?! didn't we go through an entire discussion of how it should increase monotonically ? gah.
jfw: polarbeard patch which I haven't yet got reground.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 20:01:36 jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959155 - I don't follow this; a \t\t coming out as three spaces followed by six??
ossabot: Logged on 2020-03-07 19:13:26 mp_en_viaje: jfw, i don't imagine it makes any difference, why would it ?
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959155 - I don't follow this; a \t\t coming out as three spaces followed by six??
mp_en_viaje: jfw, i wasn't talking about the instant case necessarily ; but in general. i expect most 2013-ish vintage itemsd have neither gnat nor python.
jfw: hm, I wonder how much isn't clear then. I wrote a Scheme interpreter, which is part of what I need to get published. This in turn requires only gcc.
mp_en_viaje: hhttp://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959124 << and to answer the meaningful part : consider the usg's "obscenity standard". it is perfectly an' epitomatically meaningless, i care naught that a buncha idle farmhands who can't talk for all the shit in their mouth "all agree". this inexpressible agreement is the definition of meaninglessness.
mp_en_viaje: i have nfi why exactly your offline thing is in scheme, as opposed to something more likely to be found on an offline system (which, definitionally, ain't gonna be importing software in its lifetime).
mp_en_viaje: i dunno that i'd ever want to press both at the same time ; i also don't see that they have to have separate genesises necessarily. you can press one r the other by selecting the proper branch neh ?
jfw: 3. I had planned to make a single genesis of both online (python) and offline (Scheme) parts, as it seemed sensible to have it all in one place even if the intent is to use separately, but dorion brought up whether it'd be better to have two trees. I can't quite see that having any advantages, but how about you?
mp_en_viaje: jfw, i don't imagine it makes any difference, why would it ?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno that it has to be nailed ad hoc here. there were preliminary discussions years ago that didn't resolve and haven't been revisited
jfw: mp_en_viaje: a few other questions come up as I prepare to genesis. 1: tabs vs spaces - my Scheme code is all spaces and I don't know how to reasonably do it otherwise; lisp has established indenting conventions that tend to line things up nicely but require 1-column granularity. Somehow, setting the tabstop to 1 doesn't seem like any kind of solution (and still not sure I even grasp the problem).
jfw: Moving on though: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-07#1959066 - I'm honored; was spinning a bit on "but what if it fucks up and zaps more coin than I've ever laid hands on??" but yeah, can't wait for another life, it's about time
mp_en_viaje: this guy (who was in spain, and who was in many other early soups back when all these players were still kids or unheard of) said it about hitler something like good gracious, he won't do, he's a vegetarian teetotalitarian. chesterton and the crowd picked it up.
mp_en_viaje: o look, the internets don't know about it.
mp_en_viaje: much like the problem of medicine for 1-2000 years wasn't that it was practiced at all ; but that it was practiced by barbers. hence the hippocratic oath,
mp_en_viaje: this is a weakass approach, however. the problem with totalitarian systems isn't that they exist ; but that they're made by (and for) "vegetarian teetotalitarians", to quote ray campbell since he was on trilema recently. ie idiots.
mp_en_viaje: to be totalitarian a system makes two explicit promises : that no objects existing can be found that don't map on objects included ; and that no valid questions can be formulated on those objects that the system fails to answer.
mp_en_viaje: ah, wasn't talking about you. but yeah
jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-03-06#1959036 - hmm, I thought Shannon proved you can't have that without the pad having at least as many bits as the message. If there's more possible FS states than passwords, then I can find one that can't be pulled out by any key - reminds me of Cantor's diagonalization
mp_en_viaje: moreover kinda the point of the whole system, you can't talk to the owners becayse "nobody knows who they are" because they "got together" and gave all their money up to a state "company" to "manage it" for them, which it does deliberately in this specific manner. you might as well ask the call center costa rican / indian / whatever to connect you to the company president's daughter's private cellphone.
mp_en_viaje: he doesn't get to "disengage hr" or "work from home" ; and if he tries, well, the leverage goes away. which being the whole point of his existence, is not negotiable.
mp_en_viaje: this is not going to fly, because it's not his money. he's approximately in the position of the hooker leaning on a parked mercedes, he doesn't get to say anything about where it goes. the northface / sketchers went on the cc, like the purchases of every other employee.
dorion: I don't right now because I don't have any license. I could put effort into making relationship with licensed operations, but thought I'd ask you since the minimal exposure I have to those smelled more like incomptence.
mp_en_viaje: but this isn't what most anyone using the term will expect it to mean, especially if they own a dog, let alone a car or a secretary or anything
dorion: I'm pretty inexperienced on the bank based side of otc and the couple otc desks I've talked to don't seem so much different than the website exchanges, e.g. use phone apps and/or gmail to facilitate the deals, aren't using gpg or the wot, etc.
mp_en_viaje: isn't that a great word ? assonance, an ass not even once!
mp_en_viaje: ACS, 2014 : median household income $37,078, per capita income for the city was $25,589, 16.9% of families and 30.7% of the population below the poverty line. needless to say this wasn't the case in the 70s.
mp_en_viaje: t when Sanders won by just ten votes" << ten years later, burlington, virginia was indeed a ruin, and the moron in question started offering his services on a countrywide basis.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-08 11:19:47 BingoBoingo: Well, impeachmet is still "President can't overrule bureaucracy on Foreign Policy" coup attempt