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dorion: heya trinque , did you ever say hi to, rod smith, the rEFInd fellow ? I'd be glad to take that up, but don'
t wanna innundate the dood if you already did or want to.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me how i'd actually go about computing the value-add of supporting whatever config isn'
t self-supporting ; but it seems indisputable it's under the cost of five second's labour. making the matter not even work considering, let alone discussing.
mircea_popescu: but the cost to replace that is minimal, i mean... oh, so your video card doesn'
t work no mo ? awww, splurge on 50 bux, which as per latest j-lo self-promotion 1hr long advertisement incomprehensibly packaged as "a movie" ain'
t even enough to START the moneycount.
mircea_popescu: dorion, of course it's trivial, he doesn'
t use any of the pestilent doohickeys. he could port it to most 1series also.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i confess i am vaguely concerned by this for myself ; apparently i can'
t sit down to write anything even half-serious without dozen+ references by now.
dorion: mircea_popescu re seriousness, I know it'd be a helluva lot, but I don'
t imagine porting his work from 4.9.95 to 2.x isn'
t trivial either. I should've asked, comment how ?
trinque: busybox isn'
t competing for space with one item; it's competing with many.
trinque: mircea_popescu: haven'
t disappeared anywhere. next post requires more research to support the claims I'm making.
ossabot: (eulora) 2020-01-10 mircea_popescu: in the end, we painfully and i suppose expensively re-traced a point that was well (and very cheaply) established
by 2016 : "The dispositive concern wasn'
t that the codebases selected are good ; rather it was that they are merely very, very, veryveryVERY dirty ; whereas the supposed cleanner substitutes aren'
t actually any
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-01-06 dorion: is back on the ground in panama. I'll voice in #
t after some sleep.
BingoBoingo: Before I came to Uruguay I was somewhat inclined to that, but being here and seeing how the retards down here created their own Pantsuits... seems more like what follows from mass distribution of franchise. Mass culture develops, and it ain'
t much of a culture at all.
mircea_popescu: "what if the scientists didn'
t give the bomb to the bureaucracy, but to the president ???" "oh it'd have been so SO very bad!! SUPERCRIMINALVILLAINS" "you mean, actual vir-ile, men ?" "YEAH!!!"
BingoBoingo: Well, impeachmet is still "President can'
t overrule bureaucracy on Foreign Policy" coup attempt
mircea_popescu: on the good news front, tearing through 2018 nao, so shan'
t be long i don'
t expect.
BingoBoingo: In US Uni Lulz
https://archive.is/QAbe4 "UMaine's College Republicans asked for her oversight shortly thereafter, when their previous adviser moved to another state. She agreed, but didn'
t last long. Fried resigned after a month, saying she wanted to disassociate with UMaine College Republicans’ hardline anti-immigration stance and use of social media to "get a rise out of people.""
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-05 07:20:03 hanbot: i don'
t think it's just as good in-universe; it's better. keeping it real, you know, not like those jaded monied assholes who aren'
t Feeding the World with their inexplicable windfalls like they would. besides, their bower's stacked with comfortable consumer plastics, the best mudpies that could be --mudpies necessary, in fact, for existence. the town folk can'
t even tap screens to digest dinner, they sit around and TA
hanbot doesn'
t remember this scene, but the theme's recognizable generally.
mircea_popescu: if it weren'
t for all their self-loathing, she'd be a lot more popular i guess.
hanbot: i don'
t think it's just as good in-universe; it's better. keeping it real, you know, not like those jaded monied assholes who aren'
t Feeding the World with their inexplicable windfalls like they would. besides, their bower's stacked with comfortable consumer plastics, the best mudpies that could be --mudpies necessary, in fact, for existence. the town folk can'
t even tap screens to digest dinner, they sit around and TALK, like, to real faces, who
mircea_popescu: "what can you do", right ? the fact they're in the mud d oesn'
t mean they should get out, wash up, move to town (if it'll take 'em). the fact they're in the mud simply means all them high falootin' town things will have LOCAL EQUIVALENTS!!!!
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 09:01:11 mircea_popescu: i dunno, the part where people of reddit are grandstanding offa imaginary high moral grounds re imaginary "child porn"... whole fucking alt-trilema that's reddit exists because of their unmitigated love for child porn. if it weren'
t for that dedication, the spearhead of unlaid dorkitude'd still be called digg.
hanbot: you enter into it inasmuch as you won'
t play the fucking-with-the-margins-enacts-substantial-meaning game with them, and it threatens the conscience, so you've got to be evil/Really Bad/etc
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the part where people of reddit are grandstanding offa imaginary high moral grounds re imaginary "child porn"... whole fucking alt-trilema that's reddit exists because of their unmitigated love for child porn. if it weren'
t for that dedication, the spearhead of unlaid dorkitude'd still be called digg.
lobbes: damn, indeed a mess. Humans just can'
t seem to measure time very well
diana_coman: they didn'
t have 0 a.d. at *that time* though, did they?
lobbes: diana_coman: hm, but then what about, say, 0 A.D.? Wasn'
t that the start of the 'first' decade?
diana_coman: lobbes: technically new decade starts with 2021, doesn'
t it?
mircea_popescu: (watch that at some later point, all the assholes who were "too busy" to help out when it mattered will whine about why bitcoin is so expensive now, and their work not worth jack once we didn'
t need it anymore so they finally deigned to doing some)
diana_coman: I didn'
t keep track but I do recall at least a few off the top of my head, yes.
mircea_popescu: it does. if there's a meteor land tomorrow wipe out "humanity" there'll be exactly nothing lost. except for the stench it wouldn'
t even be noticeable anything occured.
diana_coman: the thing with the AI/automated generation was initially that "can'
t beat human at this sort of task" iirc.
diana_coman: and no, I wouldn'
t start making another blender, ugh.
diana_coman: re maintaining the infrastructure, I don'
t see how it can be really justified as such anyway given that uhm, those doing something with it are anyway essentially non-existent currently so can'
t maintain so they "do" anything; and if it is to *also* build them up, then well, they'll fit whatever infrastructure is provided, not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, why the fuck didn'
t you write it out ? i remember reading SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, they don'
t. and when hanbot TRIED to do it, she died in a flaming mess of deeply inadequate tools. she almost made a slime. ALMOST.
mircea_popescu: now let's see here : leaving aside for the sake of discoursive coherence the correct vectorial representation, and making do with a purely catesian approach (aka bitmaps) for the time being, on the expectation that while this rather than that allows much easier quantification, that rather than this doesn'
t magically pack much more complexity, greeks be damned :
diana_coman: hm; I keep thinking that "perhaps I don'
t know enough about them to find the value" ; as I see them now, they are more accumulations of trial and error/overfitting/tinkering though so they seem of very little - or indeed negative - value tbh.
mircea_popescu: so i don'
t even know on what basis i'm supposed to decide what, here.
mircea_popescu: 56 stars ans 86 forks, if this ain'
t the mark of the times i can'
t imagine what'd be
mircea_popescu: but you don'
t ~like~ closed problems, or rather, you deem the putative existence of such a thing as closed problems as such a threat to your misconception of identity, it's almost like it's the koschei stealing the above-linked "cultural aspects" of
young female chest away from you.
mircea_popescu: the main problem (and the reason i don'
t come across as much of a lisp fan) is that since the 80s complexity exploded significantly ; there's no more space for proto lisp as represented by
mel ; nor for the classical lisp as represented by the defunct moron club.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:12:50 whaack: trinque: First, I find it more pleasant writing in lisp. Second, I like the cultural aspect of a (present day) more niche language. Then for problems with python: i find the single line lambdas a strange requirement, and not having tail call optimization is lame (although i admit i can'
t think of many/any cases where that's been a problem)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:02:34 trinque: if we were to retain lisp, I'd say pick one, don'
t have a python alongside it, and don'
t expect to use much "open source" to help you.
mircea_popescu: sp systems that just _don't_ offer the serious advantages that solid Common Lisp systems do that people can'
t _afford_ to provide for free." carrying the day with me, but in larger part the actual absence of any serious problem (besides, ~perhaps~,
this) we actually could meaningfully use it for. you really don'
t need lisp to make a blog anymore than you need a
mircea_popescu: this is in part naggum's "in my view, Common Lisp provides _values_ that far exceed what other languages do, but I fully realize that people won'
t understand this until they have actually experienced the problems that it solves for them. now, what's _really_ sad is that those who want free Common Lisp systems have _not_ seen what the commercial systems provide in just this way, and they will go on to make free Common Li
mircea_popescu: in short : i honestly don'
t think deploying lisp ~at all~ is such a great idea, or should be done.
mircea_popescu: (sadly, there's a much better example, also in the form of a naggum exchange. it revolves around "common misconceptions" and such typically pantsuitist wooden tongue, but now i can'
t fucking find it. though i clearly remember discussing it recently(
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 17:38:31 whaack: diana_coman: From my experience, for most packages from quicklisp you're going to have problems if you don'
t have asdf 3+, which comes with sbcl 1.4.14 (not sure what the first version of sbcl with asdf 3+ was)
diana_coman: so dunno, maybe I don'
t fully get what you have in mind re "fuck ints"?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i didn'
t imagine you had, no. just... you know, my own amusements, what can i say. tara mica da' vesela.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-02-21 21:53:17: <mircea_popescu> now, eulora DID move away from broken ints to sane ints during migration to 0.1.2, and i don'
t know anyone cared enohgh to extensively debug the insanity that is microsoft. so you might have found something. what exactly were those new errors ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-28 22:56:45 trinque: and jfw, dorion_road, if you don'
t see the word "Gales" in there, it's because I'm trying to disabuse you of the notion that there's such thing as a "Gales" which you made, by way of sheer numbers.
whaack: trinque: First, I find it more pleasant writing in lisp. Second, I like the cultural aspect of a (present day) more niche language. Then for problems with python: i find the single line lambdas a strange requirement, and not having tail call optimization is lame (although i admit i can'
t think of many/any cases where that's been a problem)
trinque: not saying it shouldn'
t, but why do you hope that?
trinque: if we were to retain lisp, I'd say pick one, don'
t have a python alongside it, and don'
t expect to use much "open source" to help you.
whaack: trinque: I can'
t say I am principled in the manner. in general, i use the lowest version that works
whaack: diana_coman: From my experience, for most packages from quicklisp you're going to have problems if you don'
t have asdf 3+, which comes with sbcl 1.4.14 (not sure what the first version of sbcl with asdf 3+ was)
diana_coman: trinque: I had a look at your published
paster lisp code; my current understanding is that it's only a part of what's required to stand up a backup paste service though, isn'
t it? mind pointing me to the rest of the bits/a recipe to put it all together? I had this idea that it's saner to replicate at the very least the paste service and a mirrored wot website. My current understanding of that paster ...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 05:44:04 diana_coman: trinque: is the select thing not working on your blog? I'm trying to select that great "fits in hand" and I can'
t seem to,
this doesn'
t do anything.
trinque: I don'
t for example need anything GUI-related in an embedded linux device
mircea_popescu: apparently now there's
drama about people i don'
t even recall ever hearing of. i have fiddy tabs open struggling to keep up with everyone over here and barely managing... it's like an xmas miracle or something.
mircea_popescu: sorry for the constant complaints borne out of user error, plox don'
t take it to heart.
diana_coman: trinque: is the select thing not working on your blog? I'm trying to select that great "fits in hand" and I can'
t seem to,
this doesn'
t do anything.
trinque: and jfw, dorion_road, if you don'
t see the word "Gales" in there, it's because I'm trying to disabuse you of the notion that there's such thing as a "Gales" which you made, by way of sheer numbers.
mircea_popescu: this isn'
t a complaint -- i don'
t personally mind evil exists, nor do i believe it shouldn'
t exist or that its absence would signal any kind of improvement. without evil the world's boring as fuck, which is why idiots asking dumb questions like "how come an infinitely good god has small children raped to death" are fucking stupid. evil is a better addition to the world than fucking cinema, it'd be way too borning to try
mircea_popescu: from whence it can further spread -- much like camels who never saw other camels spit don'
t know how to spit nor ever spit, while camels who did see other camels spit do know how and actually do it, just so people don'
t come up with evil naturally, they just replicate it from having seen it before.
mircea_popescu: in the end, what you do is hang out with the other cripples. that's it, the loser table at the highschool cafeteria, where you tell each other stories of "how you aren'
t really geeks", and how one day you'll get the cheerleader, the usual fare. making pacts about losing your virginity by end of school...
mircea_popescu: your life becomes a carousel of a) identifying partitions upon the world that'll neatly divide it across the line of "this part exposes my dysfunction" / "this part doesn'
t expose my dysfunction" (definitionally an impossible task) and b) making up stories about how it all works out, or will, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: no sucks because... it really doesn'
t. once you decide you actually "like" your dysfunction, or in any case you're not equal to its remedial, you're stuck hanging out in #asciilifeform with all the other cripples.
mp_en_viaje: mwanwhile in other coincidental great things, i found
the article where (among other great things, such as early warnings to beings an engineer) i discuss the problem of toddlers and dynamic equilibrium. which, i recall, was wanted and not found at some point somewhat recently -- i just can'
t anymore find where that happened.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of Metronix from 2 to 1 << Indonesian ISP; has key, won'
t use it.
deedbot: diana_coman updated rating of crowncloud_ from 2 to 1 << Australian ISP with US dc-partner; has key, won'
t use it.
deedbot: BingoBoingo updated rating of asciilifeform from 10 to 5 << Met in person, have a server in his rack, time insensitive when airplanes aren'
t involved
diana_coman: tbh I kept pondering what *should* be in there to start with; on one hand it would make sense to have #trilema + deeded chans really; onth dunno, I'd want #trinque for instance and he hasn'
t asked for a deed, so uhm.
dorion_road:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-25#1956032 << the conference was mentioned, but I don'
t remember when or by who - josh rossi is also in that pic and moved to panama in 2013. the importance of who was meeting wasn'
t seriously discussed with me and I didn'
t have the smarts at the time to ask and figure it out.
mp_en_viaje: dorion_road, aw fuck, the other two aren'
t even in english huh. this fucking blows, and it's where the sadness starts, i don'
t know how to fix this.
mp_en_viaje: the basis for a claim tuesday can'
t be a document signed thursday. even if whoever signs it has the autority, which i dun see how you have here.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i don'
t get it, so the idea is i should pay money because you say so ?
diana_coman: ftr, I wasn'
t either asking for or indeed expecting the sort of "this must be paid no matter what", no idea where you took that from.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I don'
t think anyone present here in is hallucinating that, but not all log readers are here.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: MPEx is built on
GPG contracts upheld voluntarily. Introducing "these GPG contracts must be upheld always and forever no matter the cost as if they were fiat contracts" would be subversion. For that, in representing the claim I can'
t say "This must be paid no matter what" or other constructions along that line without attacking a
mp_en_viaje: if it weren'
t for those guys, all there'd be on tv would be bronco busting, wrestling an' etcetera. look up Bonnie McCarroll & women bronc riding to see the fuck i mean.