kakobrekla: im not sure he knows mcd is a franchise
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benkay: i dunno why anyone would be going for mcdonald's when there are mircea_popescu's out there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.04000038 = 0.84 BTC [-] {6}
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jurov: moiety: wanba be The Real Manulcoin ambassador?
pankkake: you mine it with Proof of Cuteness?
jurov: yes, every block must contain cute kitty
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: a.k.a. crypto-virology, a fairly well-studied problem that primarily (imo) affects closed-source crypto products.
jurov: yea, crypto-virology affects products, crypto-virus people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00097488 = 35.8756 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: jurov: im all for anything manul!
moiety: paper wallets would come pre-shredded tho
pankkake: I only know about crypto-fascism
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moiety: pankkake: if you can find an elusive manul block, it'd probably kill your hardware
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 106 @ 0.001 = 0.106 BTC {2}
mircea_popescu: mikaeldice: I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well << not a half bad idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00097178 = 8.1144 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
benkay: mircea_popescu: why chase pennies from paupers when there are guys out there willing to spend single-digit integer fractions of btc for tits?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the ny mayor is now communist, that guy is teaparty.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
ozbot: Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00097581 = 28.9816 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: this was inspired by irc of course
mircea_popescu: i like the part where you actually use the rfc ~may~ etc conventions
pankkake: I'm bad with s. even in French
mircea_popescu: which was rightfully kept secret s/rightfully/judiciously/ ?
pankkake: yes, better. the second consists should have a s though?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00457531 = 0.183 BTC [+]
pankkake: while I should know that simple rule, it just doesn't stick
peterl: mircea_popescu: mpex.co still lists S.MPIF as upcoming, shouldn't that be removed now that there is a link to F.MPIF in the "funds" section?
mike_c: there is going to be a stock that tracks the fund that tracks the bitcoin economy as a whole.
mike_c: this will in no way create a black hole that takes all ur coinz.
moiety: lmfao at W.3 pankkake :]
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decimation: asciilifeform: I think the RSA keyfob hack demonstrates your point about yubikey perfectly
mike_c: ah, the forum is just not worth reading without mpoe-pr. "On average your investment of one BTC on that platform will have yielded about 0 BTC (dividends included) by Autumn."
decimation: how is that possibly in their interests?
decimation: right, but bridges still need to be built
decimation: I guess if bob can convince people that his goat orgy is a secure bridge, then he's good to go
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097132 = 4.8566 BTC [-]
decimation: apparently most folks can't tell the difference between a bridge and a pile of raped goats anyway
decimation: still; why would someone like yubikey watch bob and say "I want me some of that?"
peterl: anybody want to speculate: will MPIF be actively traded like MPOE, or will it be a snoozer like the other stocks on mpex?
decimation: even the supposed security priests tell the people this
decimation: DId you ever read Asimov's Foundation? The part about the tech-men?
ozbot: Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus
decimation: heh I wish I could have met him in person. perhaps one day I shall
decimation: The Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, ?It?s a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what they?re going to get.?
decimation: It's not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it.
mircea_popescu: how is "christians" a thing even. the us is mostly neoprotestants,
decimation: Yes, read about the postmillenals some time
peterl: self-identified christians ... reminds me of self-identified "investors"
decimation: One could argue that they are mostly in the "big tent (john 3:16)" but any of the ancient fathers would have turned them over to be flogged
artifexd: Anyone in here actually use coinbr and would recommend it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.00999996 = 0.17 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: artifexd: It's a nice thing for using MPEx as a consumer
decimation: ascii did you evern meet that "nydwracu" guy in your DC travels? I think he went to college park
decimation: he is among the most impressive bloggers I have read
artifexd: The monthly fee bothered me until I realized that it would take over 130 years for that fee to equal the MPEx entry fee.
decimation: yeah, but he's among the few of them that has original thoughts
mircea_popescu: decimation the way it works, as far as the orthodox tradition is concerned, catholicism is a bunch of ridiculous simplifications and barbaric nonsense.
decimation: I think you are doing more about the situation than most
peterl: artifexed: and the mpex entry fee trends upward, while the coinbr fee trends downward
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decimation: as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG
artifexd: peterl How does that work? The MPEx fee is/was/will be 30btc, right? Has the coinbr fee changed over time?
mircea_popescu: peterl given that theres so much info available about how the various pcs are doing, i imagine there should be some lively trading going on
peterl: mpex fee startd at free, then it was 20, now 30. coinbr used to cost more per month
decimation: yeah. haven't heard much about his little navy recently
artifexd: mircea_popescu: Do you expect to increase the fee again?
peterl: mircea_popescu: having somebody actively market making for the fund should also encourage lively trading, I think
decimation: yeah I saw that. I think you profited on the deal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00097617 = 12.3974 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: for a few days I entertained the idea of learning his crazy rune language
decimation: I realized that learning emacs/lisp/forth would be much more profitable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the story of the woman and the soap ?
mircea_popescu: at this ranch in new mexico, a very old mexican man with a very young and incredibly slutty wife lived.
decimation: yeah one of the unfortunate features of modern electrical engineering is that you find you often invest your soul only to get chickenfeed in return
mircea_popescu: everyone fucked her, all the cowboys, all the farm hands...
mircea_popescu: one day the rancher takes the old guy aside and points out to him that the woman is a paragon of indiscretion, with all the discretion and awkward shyness you'd expect out of a true blue american.
mircea_popescu: the old man is a little amused. "so what of it ? you think cunt is made of soap, to run out with use ?"
mircea_popescu: heads are cunts, swallowing shit whole doesn't hurt them any,
decimation: except, there are only so many minutes in one's life
decimation: I guess it's better to have learned and lost than never to have known at all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, all women currently hated by their daughters for being insufferable
mircea_popescu: were daughters hating their mothers for being insufferable
mircea_popescu: it's only the insufferably devilish nature of the mothers that ruined it, otherwise being cool is straightforward.
mircea_popescu: "When people’s lives and careers are subject to litmus tests, and fired if they do not publicly renounce what may well be their sincere conviction, we have crossed a line. This is McCarthyism applied by civil actors. "
mircea_popescu: i recall this exact derpage published by... whatever, some libertard legal blog.
mircea_popescu: by the way, did you hear about the renaming of semesters at mit ?
mircea_popescu: balanced ternary. because lezzies are 10x more likely to live threesomes than heterosexual scum
pankkake: unless you have a font with a slashed zero…
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decimation: "But as the campaign has gained national popularity, its detractors have bristled at the effort, calling it a politically correct war on words that will stifle free speech and suggesting its true aim is to redefine terms to control public opinion and ? ultimately ? public policy."
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mod6: what's up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: "It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it."
mircea_popescu: he means, of course, "It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will have deserved it."
decimation: because students were insufficiently punished in school for using poor grammar
mircea_popescu feels so nice and cozy in his nicely built brick housy. just like a piggy
decimation: I think future historians will call this era "the golden age of mendacity"
BingoBoingo is simply happy the tornados spared this house today
decimation: in the US it is customary to make a house out of the cheapest materials available, on the smallest possible lot (to maximize the builder's profit)
mircea_popescu: ah, to be rich, and powerful, and say nigger faggot whenever one feels like.
ozbot: Donald Sterling racism: Why the Los Angeles Clippers need to boycott their next playoff game.
ozbot: Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus
mircea_popescu: "I think that this agreement, were it feasible, would benefit all concerned."
mircea_popescu: guy's simply managed to persuade me that he should indeed be lynched.
decimation: yeah I couldn't figure out wtf he was on about
mircea_popescu: <decimation> as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG <<< that sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: in general by examining the reality in the field, rather than whatever naive theories of the eager teenagers, one dicovers the opressed generally deserve it.
decimation: most of the elite are busy binding the next generation while they fail to reproduce
decimation: at the heart of the progressive religion is a great desire to cut loose the straps that bind the devil
decimation: all in the name of freedom, liberation, and enlightenment
mircea_popescu: i kinda appreciate the sentiment tbh. let the devil be free.
decimation: well, there is certainly wisdom in giving people exactly what they want
mircea_popescu: generally, devils are a lot more fun than the pompous idiots cutting them free.
BingoBoingo: Who really wants to go to heaven if you have to live like a Saint while there?
mircea_popescu: course, this may be a bitch for anyone trying to raise children or you know, live the life of X.
mircea_popescu: but hey. life's supposed to be interesting not satisfactory.
decimation: your orthodox fathers would certainly endorse that sentiment
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mircea_popescu: humans are supposed to watch half their litter impaled before their very eyes, not to pester them to death with vaporub.
mircea_popescu: in short, things are going well, for any natural definition of "well".
decimation: there is no doubt that the west suffers because of its freedom from want
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not freedom from want, freedom from intelligible want.
decimation: well, I mean "want" as in "want of the actual necessities of life"
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking, they want aplenty, it's just they never actually confront it.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes. actual necessities. such as food, as opposed to fast food.
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mircea_popescu: i actually talked it over with a couple of people over lunch. it's our considered opinion that the difference between the us and the ro health care systems can be distilled in one very simple point :
mircea_popescu: romania does not admit tort proceedings for unrealised damages.
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mircea_popescu: unless you can bring a bill of sale showing your eye is worth $100, you can't get $100 for your eye. and that's that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.00999996 = 0.14 BTC [+]
decimation: yeah the "insurance" doctors in the us must carry against unrealized damage claims is an incredible tax
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it has exactly zero to do with doctors, hospitals or budgets.
mircea_popescu: which is why the entire mess is so difficult to fix : like one of those old products of mad artisanry, nothing works as intended, everything's tied up in unrelated parts.
mircea_popescu: if the us were a program, it'd be discarded as unmaintainable.
ozbot: Corrective glossary | Rhymes With Cars & Girls
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mircea_popescu: such a stupid name, too. where were all the branding experts ?
mircea_popescu: why expose yourself so. i'd have never ok'd that stupid shit.
decimation: "healthcare (alt.): birth-control pills and/or rubbers"
BingoBoingo: The complexity of healthcare billing in the US adds a whole new layer of hell.
mircea_popescu: "To be perfectly honest, those jobs are reserved for my children, but yours might still be able to find work as their personal bathroom assistants, if they are docile and pretty... let's pretend you didn't hear that."
mircea_popescu: is this supposed to be some sort of dirty secret or something ?
decimation: there is little doubt that the Augean Stables of the west are piled with mountains of horse shit. who is going to wash them clean?
decimation: asciilifeform: had to switch to 4-layer. << did you do your own layout or did you hire that out?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
benkay: "unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 680 @ 0.001 = 0.68 BTC
decimation: benkay: don't forget that the lawyers get a big cut of the 100B
benkay: decimation: driving more tort suits?
decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing"
decimation: what software did you use for the design? your choice is either crap open source or crap $$$
decimation: years ago I did some hand routing with orcad. It made me feel like a money trapped in a traveling salesman's trunk
decimation: weirdly all of the "good" EE design packages are winblows only
decimation: there is a weird divorce in culture between EE's who build hardware and EE's who touch software
decimation: ascii have you ever used 'qucs'? I played with it a little bit and found it to be pretty neat
decimation: I assume that you aren't clocking the thing very high either?
decimation: there would be no point, other than to make yourself work harder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00456341 = 0.1369 BTC [+]
decimation: basically you tack the qfn down and then use a really fine tipped soldering iron to "push" the solder in little grooves up under the chip
decimation: supposedly it works, but it sounds a little hokey to me
decimation: that usually implies some cleanup too, but if you have a well-made board with good mask and clean contacts you are usually okay (surface tension of liquid metal is miraculous)
decimation: I used a syringe, but it got really messy
decimation: sounds legit. so you have a hot air rework station too I presume?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15551 @ 0.00097132 = 15.105 BTC [-]
decimation: what about the traditional modifed toaster oven?
decimation: yeah I think the electric hob would give more control anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00096946 = 13.2816 BTC [-] {2}
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benkay: hey random_cat see you tomorrow?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0344599 = 0.3446 BTC [+]
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benkay: danielpbarron: you've been accumulating some interesting ratings.
benkay: lol xdotcom xdotcom_ xdotcom__ how's it going cuz-o?
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benkay: yo everclear that nick's unregistered in the wot - looks like you're sitting on some prime real estate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1141 @ 0.001 = 1.141 BTC
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00097319 = 16.009 BTC [+]
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Naphex: morning fluff, chillin drking coffee
Naphex: getting ready to leave for the office
Naphex: i think romania is a bit higher now:P
fluffypony: Naphex: they're 7 worldwide in terms of *peak* broadband speeds
fluffypony: so fast connections are readily available
fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down
Naphex: gonna change it to a 12$ usd 1gb/s connection
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.512 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: Naphex: comcast is currently paying us for 75/15 at my office
joecool: not rly sure what happened there
joecool: i always wondered about the broadband rating for romania though, is it counting business/residential connections or just average for ip's there
joecool: (ie. run speedtests off gigabit servers all day)
Naphex: some bussiness actually have worse
Naphex: then residential consumers
Naphex: most ISP's focus were apartment buildings so thats what got cabled with fiber optics first
Naphex: while some bussines or office buildings are still stuck to whatever worse
Naphex: for example, like 1.5 years ago best bussiness contract was something like 120$ for 100Mb/s (generic contracts)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00096936 = 36.5449 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
BohemianHacks: I like the idea of investing in real businesses over mining hardware but that seemed pretty hard to find.
fluffypony: yeah mining hardware is flogging a dead horse
BohemianHacks: besides I would rather have fpga's to play with at my house
fluffypony: there are some interesting crypto-based businesses out there
fluffypony: were you GPG registered or just with Bitcoin-signed auth?
fluffypony: ah yeah, if you've lost your key that's curtains for that
BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons
fluffypony: maybe nanotube can weigh on this if there's any recourse
fluffypony: anyway getting back to cryptocurrency companies
fluffypony: I think the biggest thing is that you have to make a distinction between a fiat-profitable company looking to raise fiat funds, but doing so in BTC for convenience
fluffypony: that sort of investment will most likely never be profitable from a BTC perspective
BohemianHacks: I think I'm mostly looking for options that are low risk low yield as crypto already has risk built in
BohemianHacks: Just to let my coins hang out and get some kind of return would be nice
ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: if you're shorting the stock I suppose cryptostocks is an option
fluffypony: but if you want to plug some money into something and walk away and let it do its thing, mpex is a significantly safer option
fluffypony: at the end of the day you have to do your own due diligence and invest in whatever makes the most sense to you
BohemianHacks: Naphex: that it does, which is a bit iffy as a tech company but they have some legit ideas
fluffypony: what is concerning about cryptostocks is that there's no due diligence done, not even the smallest little bit
BohemianHacks: I think taxes and other issues may halt them like many other bitcoin atm companies
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: you heard what happened with Dragon's Tale right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00462306 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: so some dude listed Dragon's Tale on CryptoStocks
fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale
BohemianHacks: I have been working on a bunch of other projects and I am thinking my payments will largely be in coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344599 = 0.2757 BTC [+]
BohemianHacks: Part my delay right now is that I need to be more secure this time
BohemianHacks: I had coins all over the place and stored in unsafe ways
BohemianHacks: so I am working out the best system for storting my coins and keys
davout: imma start selling my time
BohemianHacks: I would like a single key and a cold storage wallet and then just not worry about it from there. So long as I have a safe place to store some
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00097624 = 27.2371 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: a simple-ish solution is Electrum; deterministic key (so you only have to scribble down 12 words and save them), and it's bip32 encrypted
ozbot: BIP32 - JavaScript Deterministic Wallets
fluffypony: and then bip32 paper wallet for the cold wallet
BohemianHacks: So what can I use this key for? why not just generate one with gpg?
ozbot: 8. HD Keys (BIP32) — sx 1 documentation
fluffypony: BohemianHacks: this is for generating a Bitcoin address/private key from a passphrase
BohemianHacks: gotcha, but couldn't this site just keep my private key?
fluffypony: so you can download and run it offline
fluffypony: depends on the level of paranoia you're aiming for :)
fluffypony: bip32 is good for your cold wallet, you'd then be able to regenerate the private key from the seed at any point in the future, and import the privkey into Electrum / Bitcoin-QT / whatever
fluffypony: but Electrum is solid for a hot wallet
BohemianHacks: I will wait until i get home to my xubuntu, fully encrypted hard drive though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6917 @ 0.00096928 = 6.7045 BTC [-]
BohemianHacks: its always nice to store 37 cents in a 40 inch thick steel safe
BohemianHacks: I still can't believe how many people use smartphone wallets thoughf
fluffypony: have you been seeing all the people getting Bitcoin/Dogecoin stolen from that malicious Chrome extension?
fluffypony: I mean, they have this dodgy extension installed, and then they go and transact on CoinBase
BohemianHacks: I thought about going back to the dark side, but its still not worth it
fluffypony: and it just changes the destination address
BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you
Naphex: well don't run bitcoin transactions on browsers with untrusted or crap extensions
Naphex: chrome extensions run in ring0 from clientJS PoV
Naphex: so they can totally overpass anything with targeted attacks
fluffypony: Naphex: which is exactly what happened
fluffypony: my favourite are the "solutions" on Reddit
Naphex: be safe if you're about to sign transactions client-side
fluffypony: "if I have to transfer my coins from CoinBase I do it 1 at a time...it might take a while, but at least you can catch it happening"
fluffypony: because no malware has ever changed amounts
Naphex: what about just keeping your PC clean, and maybe running chrome in incognito without extensions
fluffypony: in incognito it already disables extensions afaik
Naphex: but a better principle would be having a clean not infected with every crapware/spyware software possible
fluffypony: you have to explicitly trust the extension
Naphex: or something bad is going to happen at some point
Naphex: those extensions might as well steal identity info, banking info, company secrets whatever else
BohemianHacks: Just running linux and a non-standard version of firefox makes things much safer
BohemianHacks: I dont really worry too much about browser side stuff
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 237 @ 0.001 = 0.237 BTC
Naphex: so... why not support something like this
Naphex: $ host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro
Naphex: naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IDAbYX4Pyv2SogoQghe9k8XhKyJI+hedb0uvryrNXhkD197beYw+g4XP7xsXdkcpWe3lH1BJMynqCIBX+/vUY8M="
fluffypony: what's the signature? is the message just the domain?
Naphex: add another record like that for the reverse
Naphex: is just a quick tought, idealy there would be some other mechanisms
Naphex: to prevent dns spoofing
fluffypony: but aren't TXT records always canonical?
fluffypony: no wait nm, I just twigged what you meant wrt dns spoofing
Naphex: i meant someone hopping on your dns server and just setting all addresses to his:p
fluffypony: well here's something else to consider
fluffypony: if a malicious person runs a DNS server
fluffypony: they have a financially viable reason to spew out bad records
fluffypony: so the only way to do it as a standard
fluffypony: would be to force the bitcoin client to get it from the root ns' for that domain
Naphex: well you can do dnssec and stuff
Naphex: too authenticate the data
ozbot: Domain Name System Security Extensions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec
Naphex: so you can make sure to query 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4
ozbot: Supply Bitcoin addresses in DNS records
ozbot: Bitcoin DNS addresses
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95894 @ 0.00097678 = 93.6673 BTC [+] {5}
fluffypony: dude you should seriously put this up as a BIP for discussion
Naphex: you could still stick to the dns and use x509/pki in the same way
Naphex: but with dnssec you can move validation up
fluffypony: is there any issue with having lots of txt records?
Naphex: bip70 you will have to validate the pki
Naphex: nah, and you lookup specific txt records
fluffypony: so if I send moneyz to naphex@btcxchange.ro
Naphex: you can use whatever as long as it rezolves and validates
fluffypony: that could work for merchants too if it's a BIP71 compatible URI
Naphex: aye, or anyone just a lookup function
Naphex: you can go dynamic on it using bip32 pub keys, or have custom dns software deliver unique addresses
fluffypony: ok but for the sake of simplicity a person in control of their DNS records can just add a TXT record for themselves with their BTC addy + signature, right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1900 @ 0.00006104 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5}
Naphex: and dnssec setup if he wants to authenticate that data
Naphex: i might set up a play service this weekend
Naphex: vacation time in romania, might as well have some fun
fluffypony: once everyone reads through this log I'm sure there will be some input
fluffypony: and then let's plz BIP it, I'll do the grunt work of writing the BIP if you're feeling lazy
Naphex: i'll build up a service and see if we can poke holes in it, dnssec sign each zone, and reverse/point fowards for the addresses
Naphex: or another record field, where you can reverse associate the address to the specific dns signature
Naphex: so atleast you're setting up trust in all ways, and can be verified
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00096908 = 20.5445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 536 @ 0.00020062 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0336663 = 0.1683 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00097627 = 14.4976 BTC [+]
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jurov: i love when i register for various crap and then get sudden lulzies
jurov: "..some of the pre-reserved domains will soon be available for purchase. The domain(s) in question are: bitcoin.bargains bitcoin.cheap"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0344597 = 0.5858 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing MiningBuddy- for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing phish for 30 minutes.
BohemianHacks: Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D
jurov: speaking is not compulsory
BingoBoingo: Logging on you own though... You never know when assbot will go down
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
fluffypony: kakobrekla should host assbot on the MaidSafe (tm) network
fluffypony: for only a few SafeCoins (tm) a day (tm)
fluffypony: oh wait nm, they don't actually have a product
ozbot: MaidSafe Sells $6 Million of Bitcoin 2.0 Software in Five Hours – Press Release | MaidSafe
fluffypony: oh wow, I didn't know that we're already on Bitcoin 2.0
fluffypony: when Bitcoin 1.0 hadn't been released yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00012414 = 0.1862 BTC [+]
jurov: can it be shorted?
jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol
fluffypony: I don't see any concrete plans for trading "stock" in the company
jurov: no i mean mastercoins as such
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 225 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 35k High: 200 Low: 160 VWAP: 190
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00447518 = 0.179 BTC [-]
fluffypony: cut-and-paste from a Romanian phrasebook
fluffypony: the pronunciation is trippy compared to Italian
fluffypony: except Salut, which is pretty universal ;)
mircea_popescu: i doubt the web has reached that deep into the classical antiquity yet/
fluffypony: Romanian looks more like Latin than Italian does
fluffypony: no wonder the Romanian phrasebook wasn't helping me
mircea_popescu: well it does salut in it, which is pretty universal. and orbiversal.
mircea_popescu: (this is a joke. based on "urbi et orbi", literally "to the town and to the globe")
fluffypony: hmmmmm...numerically hitler would be interesting
mircea_popescu: "unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'? << exactly.
mircea_popescu: decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing" << bounce disagrees, argue with him, i'd like to watch. ty both :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0678 = 0.2034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed. << you know back i nthe day one way to make the old impossible amiga games playable was to downclock the damned things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat. << you know stan, i hear 500 bucks buys one quite a few acres of open land in patagonia. and since it never rains... don't even really need a roof.
mircea_popescu: i suspect this would be the ideal living arrangement for the true hardware engineer : much like a silkworm's. built a yurt roughly 10 body lengths in diameter, fill it with material slower.
mircea_popescu: when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old one you wish.
mircea_popescu: keep doing this. at any point you want something from the oild yurts, just go drag it to the current one. (never ever move stuff back tho, only forward)
mircea_popescu: there's probably a yurting period one could observe over the duration of his life, if he had the freedom do live in a manner adequate to his own manner.
mircea_popescu: you could have a million acres dedicated to this, like a sort of modern silicon valley / smarts farm. each accepted person gets his own line.
mircea_popescu: see who gets the furthest. "bob is so much further ahead of me" finally means something, geographically. etc.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda << you can take solace in the knowledge that the thing is complete bs.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: our Internet is shitty tho
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down << nope. you can't currently get anything under 100mbps even if you want to pay specifically for it. it's just not economical to maintain the old stuff.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that's bizarre << now you understand romania.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons << either that, or tend to try and social engineer off old dormant cool sounding nicks.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks? << lol ok this shit's epic.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nickserv says otherwise
mircea_popescu: fluffypony nickserv is not authoritative. freenode gives away names and chans that were abandoined.
fluffypony: I know, but then the registration info changes
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but that is the github of someone named thus.
mircea_popescu: good cause i think many people don't. to judge by the banks etc at least.
assbot: Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: which is why losing your privkeys generally == identity suicide
fluffypony: I think we're talking in his absence - [11:32:06] <+BohemianHacks> Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks so i'm very curious, how did you proceed to come to the idea that mpex and cryptostocks are in any sense tyhe same thing, or in any way comparable ?
BohemianHacks: because they are both coin investment platforms, thats pretty similar
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I invited him in here as he was expressing an interest in investing in crypto-based stocks
BohemianHacks: a quick google puts them in the same group, so its not like that is wildly off base
fluffypony: thought it best for him to get some proper info :)
BohemianHacks: no, you are investing your coin in the hope to get a return
BohemianHacks: buying 1000 lottery tickets usually wont pay out, but its an investment to some people
mircea_popescu: this poor word invest. it happens to be a term of art in finance, of course, but it's been (recently, since the internet) been coopted as a colloquialism
BohemianHacks: "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks you can't, for the following reason : in order for something t obe an investment, it requires two things. a) that you've done research and b) that the research indicates +EV.
mircea_popescu: now, lotteries fail on b. and if you're not aware of this, it fails on a.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think the word has been coopted by the Jimmothy School of Smart Investmenting
mircea_popescu: well sure, i guess in the sense of, "good dentistry" is what happens at the dentist's office, and plain dentistry is what happens at the bare
BohemianHacks: "the profession or science dealing with the prevention and treatment of diseases and malformations of the teeth, gums, and oral cavity, and the removal, correction, and replacement of decayed, damaged, or lost parts, including such operations as the filling and crowning of teeth, the straightening of teeth, and the construction of artificial dentures. "
BohemianHacks: the dictionary dude, we have these things for a reason
BohemianHacks: "expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: don't be too pedantic with the newbies :-P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00097627 = 11.5034 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, to continue the saga of the poor word "invest" : originally, it denoted the act of comitting your army to a siege. which was, expensive and dangerous a proceeding.
BohemianHacks: meh, this is a waste of time. I get you are trying to prove a point about safe investing, but thats the definition of the word. Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing.
mircea_popescu: then the merchants stole it, because at the time the only thing the town merchant feared was the soldier, so he wanted to steal his stuff.
mircea_popescu: similarly today, the only thing the city poor / welfare bunnies fear is the 19th century capitalist
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks im not trying to prove anything really, i'm just exploring where exactly we differ.
mircea_popescu: i don't know you well enough yet to actually care what you think for its own sake.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, i just maxed the pedantry scale did i ?
punkman: Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing. <- it "feels" like investing to a lot of people, it's all about "feelings"
mircea_popescu: meh shitty bait ozzie. how am i to restore world balance thus ?
mircea_popescu: punkman pretty much. just like webpages "feel" like dictionaries.
assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
punkman: like NeoBee "felt" it was a good idea to "invest" in excessive advertising
mircea_popescu: punkman im still waiting for the psychanalist to go into massive bitcoin exploratory expedxitions.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks you aware what the best description of this chan is, according to chan consensus so far ?
fluffypony: punkman: buy ALL of the advertizings. ALL of it.
punkman: I like mp's definition better than the dictionary
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale << that was a riot. tepi's face lol.
mircea_popescu: i think this Wywiał guy may be on track to write more than me.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell numeristrade you ever considered starting a blog ?
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you << well, my curiosity continues. how did you compute that ?
mircea_popescu: Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec << myeah. some people learned the hard way why not trust linode. it cost them 40k btc or so, linode offered a half-apology and $50 in vouchers.
BohemianHacks: You are asking for a computation on a subjective matter, good luck getting real numbers.
mircea_popescu: same principle. don't use a public service of a large provider that has the power to survive you in the market.
mircea_popescu: BohemianHacks it would seem you made an objective statement, but perhaps we're stuck on different language spaces again.
BohemianHacks: I was talking about myself and failure to see that is entirely on you.
BohemianHacks: part of the risk involved with any crime is loss of freedom, the value of the is completely subjective
BohemianHacks: so if you can't see that anything dealing with that topic would be subjective, I can't really help you.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year and nobody runs with it << because it's a fucking stupid idea.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. on the other hand, the pki/dns infrastructure is beyond rotten. tying it into any sort of live project is like taking a spleen off a rotting cadaver and putting it into someone's gut.
fluffypony: but you can check directly with the NS for the domain?
fluffypony: ok so then the problem is that you have to communicate addresses somehow
fluffypony: so everything is open to interception and breakage, to a greater or lesser degree
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not like the problem doesn't have a perfect solution alreayd.
mircea_popescu: it's just that some [mostly irrelevant] people have decided they don't want to apply the solutionb.
mircea_popescu: because "dictionary" or whatever. which is fine, but also, killing them is the general goal of entropy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the problem is we come full circle back to the adoption problem - as much as you want to keep Bitcoin in the hands of the techno-competent, it is going to spread, and the n00bs are going to need n00bish solutions because they aren't going to learn to use GPG no matter how often people get hacked / lose money
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is limtied in supply, soon enough all the noobies will have no bitcoin at all, and problem solved.
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe that from here to bitcoin being 50mn a piece, this channel will not nor needs not over 1k people active.
mircea_popescu: then everyone can move on to doge or maxcoin or w/e scam du jour, much more adequate for their needs and abilities,
mircea_popescu: and then wonder why is bitcoin so expensive since "nobody" buys it or holds it ?
assbot: Voicing Jacobite for 30 minutes.
Jacobite: hi mircea enjoy reading your website.
jurov: sooo why the bitcoin-assets donation addy isn't gpg signed? haaa?
jurov: lol poor lampelina
cazalla: mircea_popescu: it's just an obscene amount of money, on what sorta time line does it reach that price?
Curious_George: man i feel so n00bish listening to this discussion. but i'm trying to learn, So... what is GPG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
jurov: anyway. i'll publish coinbr deposit address signed by support@coinbr.com.
mircea_popescu: gpg is a gnu implementation of pgp, which is the original public key cryptoi system
jurov: what's to stop anyone to publishing say, admin@coinbr.com and doing mitm anyway?
assbot: Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.
cazalla: it's not as difficult to understand as you think Curious_George as if I can grasp it, surely anyone can
mircea_popescu: cazalla btw, weren't you doing affiliate marketing for a living ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: amongst other things (domaining, seo blah blah) but not for some years now
mircea_popescu: also you should blame kako. i only accept congratulations. and cookies.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
Curious_George: yeah i don't know cryptography so GPG, PGP and GNU implementation are over my head
mircea_popescu: aite, so what was pgp for windows, kleopatra something ?
VanCleef: ok i still don't get it but thanks for the ups
cazalla: mircea_popescu: does that make me marketing scum?
jurov: mircea_popescu: how is the appeal onto nanotube's wot website different from running whois?
mircea_popescu: cazalla no i was just looking for someone with a lot of aff marketing exp.
mircea_popescu: jurov for me, that nanotube i trust. in general, that there exist no documented cases of a hijack.
VanCleef: hmm i cant see the SF2 IPO being filled anytime soon
mircea_popescu: more importantly, that his ability to absorb scandal is nil. all it takes is one single merchant attacked by him providing fake ids to someone and that's the end.
jurov: but he can be hacked.. i'd trust it fully *if* rating consisted of signing the recipient's gpg addy
jurov: than it would not be so much reliant on nanotube
mircea_popescu: jurov afaik he has been working (for the past two years) towards a distributed system
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52 = 7.8 BTC [+]
jurov: such long time development very likely means it will be convoluted..
mircea_popescu: jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol << lol. because anyone can do anything they set their mind to. including design of stuff they never used irl.
jurov: nanotube, why you can't for now just add a column to the database and a way to put signature(rating,message) there?
mircea_popescu: anyway, a p2p cryptographically secure wot is a good project for someone competent an' ambitious. good way to get on my wot list at any rate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.52 = 6.76 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: how would that btc clickbank you mentioned work? surely not a marketplace for crappy infoproducts
mircea_popescu: punkman if i had any idea how to make it so it doesn't suck i'd be looking for it people not domain experts.
Naphex: so here is a working version of what i talked about earlier
Naphex: # host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1
punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll give it some thought then, I have like 9-10 years of experience in aff things
Naphex: naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A="
Naphex: signature includes DNSSEC KSK key
Naphex: # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1
Naphex: DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==
punkman: mircea_popescu: just selling other people's stuff, using a lot of these marketplaces and networks and whatnot
Naphex: and all records are signed
Naphex: you should be validating requests before, so if you mitm the serv requests would fail
Naphex: ideally you could just save the KSK
Naphex: creating a dns alias would go like this 1.get your server's pub ksk, 2. sign message of domain dnssec-ksk, 3. add record containing issuer
fluffypony: TagPesa responded well to my criticisms. I actually hope they accomplish what they want to in spite of their involvement with SeedScam.
VanCleef: they've been behind so many bitcoin scams
fluffypony: VanCleef: well I won't be plugging any funds into SeedCoin, but I do think that the TagPesa guy at least has some idea of what he's doing
ozbot: # dig +dnssec +multi @pluto.btcxchange.ro txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro - Pastebin.com
fluffypony: unfortunately like most startups they're hungry for investment so they can get going
fluffypony: which leads to deals with "incubators"
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cazalla: VanCleef: yeah, we have a reputation for that :\
fluffypony: pankkake is "Popescu's co-troll"? I didn't know it was a shared position
fluffypony: how do I apply to be part of the Troll Board?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16967 @ 0.00097388 = 16.5238 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: you are already, and i hereby anoint you to the Most Noble MPEx Trolls Order
assbot: Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: and i wonder if sukrim ever sat down and calculated how much he has lost to date, since his derpy "hai i r glbse investoar" days.
mircea_popescu: it must be over 99%, but i'm curious if it's more like 99.99% or what.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: so the zonefile is signed, pub key published. addresses sign domain alias and domain pub key. alias gets published
Naphex: if you want to verify if the certian address was authenticated, you can
Naphex: if you don't resign the zone, it's invalid
Naphex: by whichever dns resolves it
Naphex: pub key directory, from service site, or from dns
Naphex: 1 way, # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro
Naphex: addresses.btcxchange.ro has DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==
Naphex: and now they can just get it from bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: well yes, now they can, because you've leveraged the public forum to strengthen the wot.
mircea_popescu: but my point is narrower : that no wot can stand on its own. one of the manyt reasons pki is broken by design, not the most visible one but quite fundamental.
mircea_popescu: and it also goes to jurov's q as to the diff between pki and nanowot.
Naphex: just meant to be viable
Naphex: i.e if you an send to deposits.mpex.co
Naphex: and you keep your own dns, your own zonefile
Naphex: and the datavalidates, it can easily show green on a client
Naphex: green - for full check, approved key
Naphex: yellow for whatever, and other color codes
mircea_popescu: i couldn't need a dns less : you know where to send funds becasuse yu get a gpg signed deposit slip.
Naphex: color codes - for clients that maybe want to implement name2address resolve
Naphex: type the name instead of the address, color that input bar on the security of the answer
Naphex: but if you get a shitty response, or at mitm'd something should be displayed
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you. // I concur
Apocalyptic: I should hire him to do some ux improvements for x-bt
mircea_popescu: i think his current owner may track you down and shoot you if you do that.
Naphex: Owner? - sounds like SS did a bad job;]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00097668 = 26.5169 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
Dimsler: man i can't believe how expensive eastern europe got
Dimsler: its like west germany prices for everything
Dimsler: but with shitty infrastructure and inconvenience
Dimsler: just bought some pairs of under
Dimsler: because my land scapper still works for $3 an hour
Dimsler: i have no idea how the locals are affording things at this point
mircea_popescu: yet there's people driving around. how the fuck, their min wage is 1.25 an hour
Dimsler: i filled up in stuttgart before leaving for krakow
Dimsler: and it was 200euro fill up
jurov: here's $2.5 a liter, and it's one of most expansive
mircea_popescu: it's like 2.5 a liter, which comes to about 10 a gallon
Dimsler: well i mean DE has no min wage
Dimsler: i would have assumed btc adoption in eastern europe woul dhave been easy
Dimsler: since everyone is already cheating taxes to the max
Dimsler: but it looks like many are quite apprehensive
Dimsler: the instant rebuttle i get here
Dimsler: is the amway pyramid scheme
mircea_popescu: Dimsler i have people following me on twitter that still derp about how it's a scam or w/e.
assbot: Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.
Dimsler: well i mean who cares if its a scam or not
Dimsler: if you're using it to trasnfer money
Dimsler: like you can make claims if its a scam or not if you plan on settling up in btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06726382 = 0.2691 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's very strange, the same sort of partial thinking keeps people inside the grinder in, on both ends.
mircea_popescu: forum "investors" keep investing, fiat consumers keep fiating... it's uncanny.
Dimsler: need to focus on criminals
Dimsler: they are the most important element
Dimsler: who were the first people to use cars?
Dimsler: last 8-9 months of btc run up
Dimsler: lol have you not watched the bitcoin atm news cast?
Dimsler: there was an old lady standing inline
Dimsler: they asked her why she was buying bitcoins
Dimsler: and she told everyone it was to unlock her family photos on her computer
mircea_popescu: anecdotes are worth about five satoshi each. get a million, maybe it matters.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the same sort of bullshit was being peddled about silkroad
mircea_popescu: criminals don't matter here for the same reason they don't matter irl. if they had any sense they'd find better use of their time.
Naphex: now i know where all the bad looks come from, ever since i bought a new car
Dimsler: then where are the instritional investors then?
mircea_popescu: petty crime is perhaps (with the exception of an academic career) the worst fucking choice someone could make
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, in the horizon of the conference derps.
mircea_popescu: why's this surprising to anyone (other than those derps) is beyond me.
Dimsler: conference derps are losers
Dimsler: they believe bitcoin is going to grow
Dimsler: the fact that those people are just noise
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe among them are some who can add value, and will.
kakobrekla: > You are a rude bastard. No wonder I smelt a rat. If Your attitude is an example of your support You will not have many happy customers. Glad I emailed you. Saved me a lot of trouble.
☟︎ Dimsler: be remaking technology to support bitcoin
Dimsler: and calling it new and fresh?
mircea_popescu: Dimsler some make their way here and then contribute significantly.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yea but what did you say to get that email ? "hello" ?
Dimsler: these are the people who will et btc grow
kakobrekla: well, not to go into full detail, but my previous email did include: > I am a member of local cheese making club, I am interested in free cake and no taxes.
Dimsler: the conference derps don't understand that they get paid in fiat
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Look at these salesmen. The only thing these guys fear is the walk-out. No matter what they say, you say, "I’ll walk out of here right now!"
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: (Threatening) Hold it! One more step and we’re walkin’!
mircea_popescu: JERRY: (Scolding) George. (To salesman) Sorry, we’re just waiting for David Puddy.
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: (Still with a tone) He is. You don’t know what I’m doin’ here.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: lol, isn't customer service fun?
Dimsler: lol that was a good episode
Dimsler: was that when they were buying the saab?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. i think it's a neat idea. if i ever make a tech park, that's how i'll run it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03446977 = 0.1379 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03950008 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally, esp in patagonia (or mongolia) we could have a specially trained pack of hunting women.
mircea_popescu: they spend their day horseriding and shooting everything that moves.
mircea_popescu: this is like the people who spend 5 years to train their dog to get their newspaper.
mircea_popescu: getting all the newspapers in a lifetime doesn't take an aggregate of 5 years.
Dimsler: i don't believe in evicerating the proliteriate
Dimsler: but they do it to themselves
Dimsler: excuse my spelling long day
moiety: set my client to flash at colocolos also
moiety: desk-top sized cats? yes please. will pay in muffins
moiety: mine are too stupid to train
moiety: not yet fluffypony im catching up with everything, is it linked in here?
moiety: have you ever seen the fiat manul coins? they don't have good pics on them. i love the nyar pic
moiety: aw i wish this was a thing
moiety: i looked into it, coingen.io is qute expensive and im not technical enough for making algos myself
moiety: i kind of need to figure out a house before i play with this
fluffypony: "writing" a coin doesn't involve much effort
fluffypony: a bit of search and replace, change a couple of constants, and then the genesis block
punkman: seems out of stock everywhere
punkman: that's not as interesting-looking
punkman: ah there's a bunch on ebay
moiety: the nyar face captures the essense of manul-nature, i feel
moiety: the Turkmenistani coin could just be any cat really
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?
mircea_popescu: "Like you say, this has manipulation written all over it. That is the only way to make it work - there is no chance a freely operating system like this would make it past a few weeks before going bankrupt. "
pankkake: it's amazing how they seem to understand everything in the opposite way
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 18 | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: "I got my 0.01 btc investment out of neobee long ago."
mircea_popescu: funny thing being... where were all those muppets when btc was 1.2k and mpex was mkt value over 1bn
mike_c: have they switched from calling you mirceau to marcel?
ozbot: Twitter / georgiemark: I knew it. #Havelock #investments ...
mike_c: you were supposed to reload the page.
BCB: mircea_popescu, somethings rotten in Denmark
moiety has made the move to forum.lk
BCB: mircea_popescu, I never followed it much. But the Voorhees SEC inquery is interesting
BCB: US has control of Gox DB, Trendon Shavers Transactions, SR DB, I'd imagine they have would would like to add Satoshi Dice data to their collection.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067 = 1.005 BTC [+]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BCB: mircea_popescu, not the Users db
BCB: mircea_popescu, not the buyers info
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger. --- dammit i signed in just to say this
BCB: You boys are so clever
mircea_popescu: BCB you mean who the mysterious buyer was when vorhees had it delisted ?
BCB: mircea_popescu, That's obviously one person of interest. "he" obviously bought several bitcoin gaming sites.
mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone has control of the gox db. it was haxt, remember ?
mircea_popescu: and to judge by the published trendon shavers proceedings... he apparently (inadvertently ?) destroyed some data
BCB: ThickAsThieves, that was a hoot. I was shocked someone so stupid was so successful at his scam
BCB: mircea_popescu, not the complete contents
BCB: mircea_popescu, the numbers on the had info do not add up. It is missing early data and the final three months
BCB: ThickAsThieves, obviously
ThickAsThieves: SEC probly got a complaint, and now they probly also wanna know if Voorhees is still running it
mircea_popescu: gambling is bad in that it threatens to empower whoever's doing it.
mircea_popescu: the provably fair thing will sink fiat gambling, only, they don't know it yet.
ThickAsThieves: do you think that it's just moving the goal posts though?
ThickAsThieves: this may allow some forms of provably fair, but many creative ways to game that otherwise
fluffypony: I agree with ThickAsThieves - I think "provably fair" often means "proving that there are winners and losers"
BCB: mircea_popescu, the gox ddb dump ends 2013-11-30
ThickAsThieves: explain to me what structure prevents dooglus from rolling a win at will?
ThickAsThieves: or maybe I'm missing how dooglus has already done this somehow?
BCB: pankkake, are you a troll for hire
mike_c: and clearly is doing so. investors only made 4% in april! scamz.
fluffypony: thus as it stands right now provably fair is "provably making payments", not provably fair in the absolute sense
pankkake: BCB: was, and the offer is now closed, and was never taken
mike_c: but, ThickAsThieves, it doesn't matter
mike_c: so dooglus is skimming (which he's not i'm sure). who cares?
mike_c: investors still got 4%
pankkake: I was thinking of a gambling system where the key is the next block hash
pankkake: but that means waiting for the results
mike_c: the point being, i am not investing in the code. i am investing in dooglus. and he returned 4% in april.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves actually that's a valid approach, mike_c's. i'd just like to explore the provably fair angle, from bettors prespective
ThickAsThieves: the topic is whether provably fair is provably a fiat gambling killer
dignork: ThickAsThieves: when dooglus places a long list of winning bets, who is the loosing side?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00097663 = 43.9972 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: he'd have to crack yours to make a self-serving secret
mircea_popescu: cause he is constrained by only having one server secret
mike_c: um, actually each player gets their own server secret
mike_c: which you can change at any time
mike_c: you can 'randomize' and get a new server secret anytime
mircea_popescu: well either i seriously misunderstood this or else you did.
mike_c: the point is that you can verify at will (instead of having to wait a day)
mike_c: you change the server secret, and he shows you the old one
ThickAsThieves: design a provably fair casino that cant steal from anyone
mike_c: but this doesn't break anything. because you can change your secret after the server secret is set.
ThickAsThieves: for example, if "state lottery" takes up "provably" fair
mike_c: ok, you get the hash for server secret. you want a new server secret? click a button and it generates a new one, shows you the new hash, and shows you the old secret.
mike_c: now you can set your own client seed
mircea_popescu: but you're saying server has a hash for each guy rather than one for all guys
mircea_popescu: and you can change your hash but server is not allowed to change its
mike_c: yes, unless you tell it to
mircea_popescu: except if you ask it to show it to you, then it always does.
pankkake: you would need a secret that can not be known in advance by anyone (bettors and investors), but that would be revealed shortly after the bets. so far I only see future block hashes
pankkake: yes, but it has a cost. miners would have to discard their own blocks to win
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so as constructed, jd can't steal from players.
mircea_popescu: it may, of course, steal from investors (ie, if the player and the casino collude)
pankkake: though, I was thinking of tweaking it: you have a secret server key still, and the key used to compute the bet result would be secret+lastblock
mircea_popescu: pankkake mike_c is working on something based on that principle
mike_c: it'll be out before cardano :D
pankkake: still, you would have to wait for a block for the result
ThickAsThieves: white house logic: "Disclosing a vulnerability can mean that we forego an opportunity to collect crucial intelligence that could thwart a terrorist attack, stop the theft of our nation’s intellectual property, or even discover more dangerous vulnerabilities that are being used by hackers or other adversaries to exploit our networks,"
pankkake: so investors would have to chose between less volume yet provably fair, vs. more volume but maybe some stealth stealing
mike_c: that is the tradeoff i have ended up at. although less volume is not necessarily the result, but slower action, yes.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i wish you had a tag on trilema for articles about being so stupid you don't know how stupid you are
mike_c: the lottery is slow but gets lots of volume for instance
pankkake: waiting can be part of the fun
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29221206 BTC
ThickAsThieves: am i correct in assuming mpif wont be for sale until afte rthe first month of action?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, it'll sell after the first report.
mike_c: first report being before may 5?
mircea_popescu: seemsmore reasonable this way. if someone judges it prudent to wait a month, or six or sixty, they can
mircea_popescu: but if someone judges it unnecessary, well, they're not stuck with the rest.
ozbot: The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.
mircea_popescu: possibly worst sort of biz idea that, devlin advocacy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00463934 = 0.2737 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: the20year, as i hinted i wont voice people that should already know better
gribble: Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None
pankkake: oh, no ratings at all! not even from mrstickball!
mike_c: well, he can't up himself if no one rates him
fluffypony: oh lol, I thought thestringpuller was the RENT guy
ThickAsThieves: maybe someone here owns some RENT and is happy about it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0344999 = 0.483 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: i'd give him a point for his diligence and seemingly running a Havelock asset better than most, but the more recent terms of his 3POs and such kinda make me hesitant
mrstickball: I gotta give him a rating shortly. For some reason, he never bothered with garnering a lot of trust via OTC
mike_c: kakobrekla: you have finally shamed me into fixing my comment approval system. there will be no more spammers on btcalpha.
the20year: not based on usd, which is what our fund is denominated in
kakobrekla: mike_c it was a private /notice so you only shamed yourself now :p
pankkake: well, RENT is openly fiat business, so I wouldn't consider it bad to not be bitcoin-profitable
the20year: HL sends me daily sales reports, if I felt like it I could post them showing who bought the shares
mike_c: kakobrekla: well, public shamings work better anyway :)
fluffypony: pankkake: for comments does it matter?
mike_c: fluffypony: you use disqus? so you are also shaming yourself.
fluffypony: mike_c: I hate all the comment plugins for jekyll
fluffypony: disqus is the easiest way for me to have comments without dicking around for 2 days with unsupported plugins
fluffypony: it generates static html from markdown, basically
fluffypony: so very low impact on the server, as nginx just ends up serving stuff that's cached in memory
pankkake: I'll eventually switch to a static blog with (automated) comments by mail
pankkake: but for now I'm happy with the lesser evils of wordpress
kakobrekla: do you get like millions of hits per day or are cpu cycles that expensive there?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 160 @ 0.00084993 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: the server is mining in the background, so extra cpu costs him btc.
fluffypony: pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus
pankkake: at least I have full control of the content!
kakobrekla: mike_c perhaps mining, but without him knowing
ThickAsThieves: only reason i havent put disqus on mine is cuz mp hate sit
pankkake: asciilifeform: definitively. or at least auto-mod them
kakobrekla: this reminds me of Ukyo saying he cant post to assbot because its too much network traffic
pankkake: and I don't like the anti spam ways of using javascript. websites should be fully usable without
pankkake: you know PGP identities can be pictures :)
fluffypony: pankkake: I have control over the content? you can turn off that advertising thingy where they show similar content
pankkake: I really want to start a movement of anti-web things
pankkake: fluffypony: I mean, it's in my own database. on my machine.
fluffypony: pankkake: ah ok, I get what you're saying
assbot: Voicing owner for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: the server it's hosted on hosts a bunch of our local sites that are heavily trafficked, so I keep it purposely low-impact
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus << why not ?!
kakobrekla: not like 8 bux gives you power to run infinite* number of blogs
pankkake: wordpress is PHP. and you have to keep that shit up to date, too
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I really want to start a movement of anti-web things << join the queue!
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: because WP is so badly written...I wrote a plugin for it years ago, and that was honestly the most painful experience in shitty PHP coding
fluffypony: kakobrekla: not locally, unfortunately
pankkake: though most holes lately require access to wp-admin
mike_c: fluffypony: you should see wikimedia. amazingly it is worse than wordpress.
fluffypony: mike_c: I can imagine, we'll put it on the list of broken things I don't want to touch
pankkake: I hate the new admin interface
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03450063 = 0.345 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: though it has an API, so I could post/edit from somewhere else easily
bounce: there's a baseline guaranteed brokenness courtesy php, though
pankkake: I wonder if there's a request on what.cd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03495131 = 0.1398 BTC [+] {4}
fluffypony: kakobrekla: $95/month for a E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz, 8gb RAM, 2x 1tb eSATA drives, and 1tb of traffic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0349999 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}
the20year: hopefully when mrstickball he can grab decent BW on the fiber that runs right next to the complex and start renting servers or some such
the20year: *when mrstickball gets his warehouse
fluffypony: won't help me unless he gets a warehouse in South Africa :-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0349999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03504882 = 0.3154 BTC [+] {9}
kakobrekla: that thing is no longer up, was a fake i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0389999 = 0.39 BTC [-] {10}
mrstickball: put in some injection moulding machines and start a company
fluffypony: I like parts of the US and a handful of the people there, but not enough to move there
pankkake: kakobrekla: what.cd eventually removed COFEE though, feared legal problems or something
pankkake: like some trackers ban advance copies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03543992 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03543999 = 0.4253 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0389999 = 0.624 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1819 @ 0.00085596 = 1.557 BTC [+] {7}
ozbot: Announcing the MIT Bitcoin Project | MIT Bitcoin Club
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah read that earlier, it's an interesting experiment
ThickAsThieves: maybe bitbet that 80% of it ends up with 20% of the people?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0389999 = 0.273 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 6000 @ 0.00088159 = 5.2895 BTC [+] {24}
punkman: good thing they didn't make MITcoin
kakobrekla: this is "we decided to make this half a million into nothing"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0389999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.039 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 191 @ 0.00088879 = 0.1698 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <punkman> so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc <<
punkman: so I was making a little cli interface for Namecheap, and they want me to login on the website and approve my IP address for API access every time it changes
mircea_popescu: maybe "how to use a battery to light a bulb, wearethepremieretechandblablainstitutionintheworld" ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 600 @ 0.001 = 0.6 BTC
fluffypony: punkman: proxy requests through a box with a fixed IP?
punkman: fluffypony: well yeah I guess, or make a bot that goes and approves the IP before it tries to do anything
punkman: I'd rather keep my NC password on my local box only
fluffypony: ok but if you're just proxying requests you keep everything locally?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
benkay: mircea_popescu: where is Wywiał writing?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you remember that email asciilifeform passed you
benkay: mircea_popescu: ah i was wondering if the gentleman had his own outlet
thestringpuller: it talked about professionalism and how one doesn't care if the mechanic's dog died earlier that day
benkay: <mircea_popescu> on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. << not a fan of multisig?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 621 @ 0.07261664 = 45.0949 BTC [+] {55}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.039 = 0.624 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72062530 BTC to 7`551 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 225 @ 0.00088893 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.08 = 8.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1914 @ 0.0001238 = 0.237 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.08 = 11.6 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.073 = 14.673 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07009951 = 1.5422 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: Hurts my brain just seeing that in writing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07000001 = 2.8 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-]
benkay: random_cat_: nothing doing tonight
assbot: Voicing donpillou for 30 minutes.
donpillou: i'm a random guy from the internets
JorgePasada: All my friends keep trying to get me on OkCupid
JorgePasada: I'd like to say it's because I'm taking a principled stand against online dating
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00463935 = 0.1763 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: what triggered for me was that i was walking through a park yest, and there was this lonely kinda strange tall lanky black haired guy
mircea_popescu: who was fiddling with the camera to get it to sit up so it'll take his picture
mircea_popescu: it was just him and the crows, which were also playing with sticks and items in a similar figety manner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00463949 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and i thought to myself... here's a crow, that has no friends, but through the use of technology will make itself a profile, and put it online
mircea_popescu: think : the guy doesn't even have ONE friend to take his picture.
moiety: can someone explain to me why i bother with the forum. I have no idea.
benkay: must really enjoy subjecting yourself to mental anguish, moiety
moiety: children are the bane of my existence
benkay: and you don't even have any!
kakobrekla: i like solitude and re profiles, they are getting banned or i delete them.
benkay: wouldn't you prefer a cane?
moiety: nah i have no time for that. shotgun + face + close range = can get on with other things nao thx
benkay: you need to hone your glare. shotgun's unnecessary.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: did you offer to help him take his picture?
benkay: children need to feel the scourge of others opinions early.
moiety: benkay: it's like explaining to brick walls though
moiety: i don't mind children with ears and half a brain
JorgePasada: although, that being said, actually curating a good community and good content
benkay: don't explain things to them, that's teaching and takes time. just glare and kill their ego with your disapproval.
benkay: JorgePasada: community has nothing to do with content
moiety: mircea_popescu: what does 'switch' mean? re the piecharts
benkay: mind you, JorgePasada, i'm talking about a real community of humans who get together and derp on a patch of dirt for potatoes or tomatoes during the day and sing and drink at night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1485 BTC [-]
benkay: the kind comprised of adults that'd socialize budding humans not poorly.
JorgePasada: benkay: Yeah, I mean we need more of that for sure. But hell, a lot of my very close friends I only interact with online
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: I think the problem is when that's the ONLY way you interact with people.
JorgePasada: Also, just bought my ticket to the amsterdam
benkay: well don't do only one thing
benkay: have skin in several games, right?
benkay: you want to know where i put my skin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+]
benkay: but at a rough approximation: my own biz, some other biz, -assets, and my personal wot.
JorgePasada: benkay: I like to be in the 'skinning other people who have no game' game. Good biz.
Apocalyptic: <benkay> you want to know where i put my skin? // nortly, that's your business, just wanted to know what you meant by that
benkay: JorgePasada: what could go wrong? lol
JorgePasada: benkay: Step two is still all question marks... so in theory a lot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
benkay: running the confidence game can be very lucrative!
JorgePasada: benkay: I think that's the realization I had when I was like 24 or so
JorgePasada: Wait a minute, all of these people are way way less knowledgable about this stuff than I am, they're just more confident
benkay: tends to be at odds with the gentleman's desire to cultivate an identity, though.
benkay: the only identity a con man can sustain is with other thieves.
benkay: his identity (in the sense of a thing that persists past each scam) is only relevant to other scammers. the con man must burn his identity for each con.
JorgePasada: But yeah I was more just getting at taking the other side of willing transactions
JorgePasada: where I think people don't understand the market
JorgePasada: So I'm reading this article a friend wrote
moiety: having a read at your link now JorgePasada
JorgePasada: Because a Bitcoin transaction can’t be reversed, it means that the party transferring value has no recourse within the Bitcoin system to reverse or dispute a transaction. Thus, someone who wants their money back has to go to court, and companies that accept Bitcoin as payment aren’t above the law. This will move chargebacks from intermediary mediated settlements to small-claims court and higher civil courts
HeySteve: <+JorgePasada> is identity = reputation? <- I'd say no. identity is what you know of yourself, reputation is what others know of you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 976 @ 0.00085096 = 0.8305 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic
assbot: Voicing Bunnyh for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: Bitcoin doesn’t eliminate fraudulent transactions; it only eliminates counterfeit payments. This can, of course, save many tens or hundreds of billions of dollars a year globally and translate to more efficiency in commerce. But removing the intermediary also removes recourse outside of courts, and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.
JorgePasada: 'and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 958 @ 0.00087184 = 0.8352 BTC [+] {5}
JorgePasada: It's 100% guaranteed to be a net value add to the system as an aggregate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1443 @ 0.0008702 = 1.2557 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1392 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 130 @ 0.00090475 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {3}
JorgePasada: Increasing optionality, especially when talking about markets in the aggregate, is always good
JorgePasada: specifically in some cases, yeah it's hard when I have 6 girls to go out with on one friday night, maybe too many options
JorgePasada: but markets don't suffer from decision paralysis
benkay: "It also glosses over theft. Because Bitcoin relies entirely on the private retention of secrets (private keys that prove ownership of given Bitcoins), a stolen Bitcoin is only traceable within the system to a certain extent, and thefts of millions and tens of millions of dollars have already occurred. Because committed transactions are irreversible, stolen Bitcoins are valuable and nearly laundered." << this is bananas.
benkay: as in, makes zero sense.
benkay: sorry JorgePasada i'm not seeing much worth putting through my jelly computer in that medium piece
JorgePasada: Eh, it's just frustrating because I've talked with him about the bitty coin extensively, and he gets it, and the conclusion isn't bad at all
JorgePasada: but in the middle it's like he's arguing past andreessen
benkay: "It’s almost a mistake that tracking today is possible." << not an alert human.
benkay: who d'you think made the protocol changes that broadcast IP addresses with every network message?
JorgePasada: I mean, I don't see how it could work any other way...
JorgePasada: It's a network, there has to be points of entry
benkay: there's already a connection between two machines sending btc protocol messages back and forth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]
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assbot: Voicing JorgePas_ for 30 minutes.
TomServo: Maybe you'll get lucky and get sold to Charter?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00470683 = 2.5134 BTC [+] {8}
ozbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschian Nihilism | When Bitcoin Met Pete
benkay: lol no page found, bitcoinpete
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28889252 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0697619 = 2.4417 BTC [-] {5}
FabianB: hmm.. F.MPIF already in operation without public funds?
bitcoinpete: i'd never really read nietzsche but he's on the fuckin money as far as -assets and bitcoin go
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07411003 = 0.1482 BTC [+]
mod6: you should read some of his stuff bitcoinpete
mod6: any specific title?
moiety: bitcoinpete: Nietzschean*
bitcoinpete: mod6: mostly overview stuff so far, just getting my bearings
mod6: The Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and The Antichrist are all good. I read now and then from The Will to Power.
mod6: The Will to Power was put together by his sister after his death. Mainly a collection of papers and personal notes. It's good though.
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: this is among my favourite of the things you've said - "There’s a baby, its bathwater, and Mastercoin. Let’s just throw out the latter two."
FabianB: mircea_popescu: that was my guess after seeing 19:27 <+thestringpuller> !jd MPIF
mircea_popescu: <benkay> These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic << it's idiotic.
benkay: mircea_popescu: JorgePasada's link.
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: haha ya, that was a decent one
JorgePasada: Yeah, not sure what their model is for monetizing that
moiety: mircea_popescu: the whole idea we can't use 'guys'. i get this kind of crap all the time. also when i use 'dude'. i get feminazis giving me into trouble and i am female myself.
mircea_popescu: yeah, why do something useful, that's like hard. better to yak at people about what words they use.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe it jolts the dude out of his intellectual complacency and he actually gets informed about btc.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "Bitcoin is infused with several of Nietzsche’s philosophies." that's broken. concepts ? ideas ?
benkay: twitter users can't think in units of length greater than 140 characters, and they labor over each character. i don't want to suggest we value qlty over qnty but ffs i don't think these people can engage in real time chat style webversations.
mircea_popescu: so let them fail, miserably and humiliatingly, and from that failure learn how little shit they got for brains.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that andreessen is a source or has anything to say about bitcoin is laughable, but it's also so very cute
mircea_popescu: basically this guy would like to be here, but he doesn't know that here exists, or how to get here. which, imo, speak to structural deffect. if he weren't a broken being he wouldn't have the problem.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell hey, what do you know of pando daily ?
gribble: I have not seen princessnell.
moiety: i dont remember her actually speaking
moiety: also, is 'guise' safe to use i wonder or are we all supposed to be peeps now
moiety: in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]
fluffypony: moiety: "niggaz" is the preferred colloquialism to a manul
moiety: i thought their preferred speak just consisted of fuck off bitch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03465383 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [+]
benkay: "In the end, the Christian Democrats failed to secure a player and the Feminist Initiative player had to decline due to other commitments."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
fluffypony: "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15939 @ 0.00097784 = 15.5858 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <+moiety> in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P /// lol, best quote of the day
mod6: bitcoinpete: np. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06750388 = 6.7504 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: the worst part of dicks or gtfo is that the channel would be flooded with pics immediately..
moiety: psssh its just being involved
moiety: might be a slightly wrong route to go, taking away from the manuls and all
moiety: perhaps didnt think this through
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06736817 = 13.4736 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]
fluffypony: so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort?
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? /// where?
gribble: Nick 'JorgePasada', with hostmask 'JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', is identified as user 'JorgePasada', with GPG key id F94255F4860A142A, key fingerprint A5DCC517069DDCB8F4D3050DF94255F4860A142A, and bitcoin address None
fluffypony: MintSpare has disappeared and nobody knows what's potting
fluffypony: then Havelock say "We have been working with Mintspare closely during the past few months and they have a bright future ahead of them. They should and will start to post and respond to requests on this forum."
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JorgePasada has been recorded.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada
fluffypony: so then the question is - why are MintSpare so quiet but Havelock claim to be speaking to them
benkay: aight, JorgePasada /msg assbot !up
fluffypony: Havelock say "We do hold the Bitcoins raised during their offering in escrow and only distribute those funds as needed."
fluffypony: how could they do that without talking to them?
ThickAsThieves: well the forum notoriously wants news when there is none
fluffypony: "We don't have any inside information that is not made public."
fluffypony: and they get pushed on whether they're using information to trade
fluffypony: "Full Disclosure: we currently own 733 Units in MS, current value is less than 1 Bitcoin. "
pankkake: mintspare raised before the havelock escrow thing
ThickAsThieves: fwiw mintspare came to me first and i sent them packing
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony i'm not sure why you would waste your time on it, did you buy some?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]
fluffypony: well that seems a convenient work around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00098027 = 23.6245 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: either that or there are sensible people at the helm in some places. hard to believe, but a possibility.
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @GlennF You should. Unlike ...
pankkake: or crazy laws get ignored anyway, especially with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: glenn thinks he should not have to listen to assbot on the grounds of assbot's amazing name
mircea_popescu: i'll have my horses graze on him. for he's a glenn, and they like glens.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? << no. they're just trying to make vague claims as to anything. that they're registered, should that seem desirable. that they're mp, should that appear a value. that anything and everything, no matter what it may be.
JorgePasada: Thanks mircea_popescu, now I'm going to get shit about that :-P
mircea_popescu: idiots, of course, never have the sense to actually name names, and admit whom they wish to copy, and for what reason, and what all that means.
fluffypony: oh didn't they get busted like today for not being registered on the Panamanian SEC?
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads << i imagine he's picked up the benkay task.
mircea_popescu: it IS a great way to build an intellect in this space.
benkay: i learned to sniff out the banal stench of scam and stopped.
JorgePasada: I used to spend time on the forums back in the day... back when you could actually find useful information without digging through pages of BS
mircea_popescu: if anyone's not seen the lion in winter, you definitely must.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Virtual Mining Corporation and Active Mining Corporation | Wood Law Firm
pankkake: what's wood law? some class action thing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0075 = 0.2025 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
ozbot: [TEASER] Multi-Key Lockboxes
assbot: Voicing mumu for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: then bfl promised them two monarchs and they took the deal.
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down.
assbot: Voicing Thelamarvelous1 for 30 minutes.
Thelamarvelous1: I have a contact on here so i talk to him... but im real new here
ozbot: start [bitcoin assets wiki]
ozbot: Mircea_Popescu @GlennF The consensus seems to be that your noggin ain't really w - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: why's it so hard for the inferior to do what they are told by better men in no uncertain terms ?
Thelamarvelous1: who wants to do what they are told All the time. That is not smart.
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down. /// looks up to me, but that's the second downtime already... a testament to Namecheap's hosting service.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they're not known for their hosting really
ThickAsThieves: all i have otherwise is a client server (all that's left of my mktg biz is the website hosting)
kakobrekla: is that fincern mining thingy worthy of wiki, if so, someone should put it there.
pankkake: Thelamarvelous1: first step would be to register with gribble
ThickAsThieves: the mining thing seems a little too obvious to be noteworthy imo
kakobrekla: fuck you just trying to get someone to do some work there.
jborkl_: I got a API to the site and working on a pubnub to stream in live trade data :)
jborkl_: bcoinnews.com - changing over all my data to my databases, so I will not be pulling in outsude data and relying on that
ThickAsThieves: namecheap: Roman G: What was the exact error you received?
jborkl_: working on the pubnub- the documentation is pretty shitty so I am struggling
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves now you get to be the customer and always wrong!
ThickAsThieves: Roman G: The issue was reported to our technicians at once and it should be fixed now
ThickAsThieves: Roman G: I understand your frustration and would like to keep monitoring your website performance for another 2-3 days and in case of any issues do not hesitate to contact us back at once
Thelamarvelous1: Now I'll be reading all night. But thanks guys. See ya soon.
ThickAsThieves: lol all i said was is there something we can do to stop the problems
mike_c: magical beans didn't work for me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097722 = 5.8633 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Thelamarvelous1 other than teenagers, reading is the best way to spend a night.
ThickAsThieves: mike_c i gotta step out but i imagine itll sort out shortly :/
jurov: heh namcheap..heard already that godaddy discontinued email support?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00098416 = 26.1787 BTC [+]
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I find the culture fascinating - I wouldn't want to live there (hate snow), but I find the culture so different to everything else that it intrigues me
fluffypony: and I think the architecture in places is incredible
fluffypony: although I'd probably end up quoting "Fiddler on the Roof" the whole time if I went there
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mike_c: a share of S.MG on havelock is worth 30% less than a share of smg on mpex. that is quite a discount.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's so fascinating because it's so unexpectedly absent :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I disagree - people have been living there for more than a few hundred years, which means they've developed not only a language, but art and architecture and even ways of thinking that differ from my own...which I think is the essence of "culture"
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong - I'm a huge opera buff, and I could get lost in the architecture of the ancient Greeks, but I love being in places that are so fundamentally different to my own frame of reference
jurov: pankkake online chat ..with 1hr waiting times reported
fluffypony: probably why I've enjoyed (some) Indian cinema so much
pankkake: jurov: I really need to move the domains I have left there :/
ozbot: BitBet - LA Clippers' Donald Sterling to take a hike
mike_c: "Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life by the NBA in response to racist comments the league says he made in a recorded conversation."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06967251 = 0.209 BTC [+]
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I jest about Fiddler on the Roof:) I think things like the Golden Gate and all those cathedrals with the semi-spherical towers (Saint Basil's being the obvious go-to for every movie set in Russia ever) are a sight to see. also Manshikof (sp?) tower and the Chelyabinsk opera house are on the list.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00097565 = 8.2442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.0335002 = 0.938 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033255 = 0.3326 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.033 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06961856 = 2.0189 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06979788 = 1.396 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: does he have some kind of code on conduct in some kind of contract with the NBA that allows any of this?
mircea_popescu: i own a girl who recounted the story of how the school administration made all the girls lift up their skirts to prove they actually were wearing panties or not be allowed inside the hs end party
mircea_popescu: which party included no booze and was supposed to end by 20:00
mircea_popescu: this, of course, so that no unbecoming conduct etc. imagine.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: "the average declared weight is 180.94 kgs" and i thought i was a chubby chaser
jurov: they construe it as "hate speech does not fall under freedom of speech" and/or "fredom of speech concerns only your relationship with govt, since we're not govt, we're free to punish you as we see fit"
mircea_popescu: jurov funny thing is... that's how unfreedom of speech always works lol.
mircea_popescu: if you asked them, the romanian communists were all for freedom of speech
assbot: Voicing time12345 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's not that they "don't like him". it's that they just got a cock and would like me to be impressed.
ThickAsThieves: some rapper was saying how all black people are cowards
mircea_popescu: "The fine will be donated to organizations dedicated to anti-discrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the NBA and the Players Association, Silver said."
ThickAsThieves: cuz all they did was flip their jerseys inside out in protest
ozbot: BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400
mircea_popescu: well good, i hadn't been following it for ~20 years, and now i have a good answer if anyone asks me
mircea_popescu: "o no, i won't be involved with basketball, they're nigger loving faggots"
jurov: tolerance enforcement dept.
ozbot: BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400
dexX7: outcome yes, if price rises above 4000 and THEN goes sub 400?
dexX7: stupid language ambiguousness <.<"
ThickAsThieves: "If the proposal before us now turns out to be insufficient or if we observe anyone taking advantage of the rule, I won't hesitate to use Title II," writes Wheeler, referring to an option that would let the FCC regulate ISPs much like landline phones.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the times of blackberry and iphone have been quickly forgotten have htey.
mircea_popescu: i suppose not having a phone at all is the mark of the terrorist, isnt it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00097475 = 27.9753 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Matt Warner @mattstate .@libertydotfees Hey jerk, Stef authored several books, produced 1000's of hrs, and is stopping child abuse. What have you done for liberty?
fluffypony: the call of the Lesser Spotted Internet White Knight
ThickAsThieves: like you meet a girl, fuck her, she sticks around and you just start beating her one morning?
ThickAsThieves: it's honestly the only thing i cant rationalize about you
benkay: some people get off on pain, ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: a you're married. well, suppose we're playing second life, and you're not you. so
ThickAsThieves: we chat and if it's at the bar we likely go get it on to some degree hf bases
ThickAsThieves: if work, we meet up and maybe not mess around right away
mircea_popescu: so there's no connection whatsoever other than...well... she's got a cunt and you got a plug that fits ?
ThickAsThieves: i'd do whatever made sense at the time i felt i needed to do something
mircea_popescu: so then why'd it be a surprise, just one day... honey, whack!
mircea_popescu: suppose you couldn't come. i mean you got all the parts, and fucking is fun, just, you don't splooge.
mircea_popescu: you figure you'd have a pow wow with the girl about this ?
mircea_popescu: after 8 and a half hours trying to make you cum on her face.
ThickAsThieves: in my own experience if i cant it's been with women i probly shouldnt have been fucking
mircea_popescu: well whatever it is, you got three balls, you ejaculate tabsco sauce, it doesn't matter.
benkay: some people get off on delivering it
mircea_popescu: point being, at least among sane people, it wouldn't come as a surprise
ThickAsThieves: like when you say "i wrote about how to beat women" it doesnt necessarily mean about sex-related events
mircea_popescu: just sexual probably means more than you readily represent.
mircea_popescu: making her shine your shoes and kneel while doing it is perhaps not your idea of sexual, for instance.
ThickAsThieves: is this the same context i should apply to your slaving?
mircea_popescu: so she's been bad, she gets spanked, it closes off the experience and she doesn't have to continue beating herself up for it, for instance.
mircea_popescu: there are many edges to it, it's not strictly the sensuous pleasure of getting caned.
mircea_popescu: and yes when i say slavery i mean a very intimate and absolutey sexual thing.
ThickAsThieves: are your slaves also your maids n shit, or do they live their own lives with careers and such?
mircea_popescu: well they start as idiotic webizens, exactly where you'd expect the average twennysomething to find herself.
mircea_popescu: and a decade later they can command their own regiment.
mircea_popescu: there's something very satisfying about serving, too. especially people you deeply respect and otherwise adore.
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
CheckDavid: Mircea. Do you have a slave auto trader?
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid i just acquired a coupla, you seen the f.mpif ?
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28893898 BTC
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supreme court doesn't agree with you. sorry.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was a sudden hit at one point that made 90% of it tho
mike_c: mircea_popescu: nba owner is banned from attending games (even his own), and can't participate in league business. they are trying to get him to "relinquish" his ownership, whatever that means.
mircea_popescu: like... you want a war ? you got a war. sue each and every single person involved at any level with the nba, independently.
CheckDavid: "The manual labor your slaves are capable of with the sweat and tears they excrete is the only true measure of wealth" -- Mircea Popescu - 1998
mircea_popescu: guy's got what, 100mn to blow ? rhather than leave it to charity...
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
benkay: afternoon, princessnell
assbot: Voice for princessnell extended to 30 minutes.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: what's the place of crypto currencies in the world?
ozbot: Lisp50 Notes part V: Interlisp, PARC, and the Common Lisp Consolidation Wars | Learning Lisp
mircea_popescu: "But Teitelman came off as being at once knowledgeable and approachable. He didn’t exude any of the “dysfunctional Lisp-programmer” type attitudes at all. (Not that anyone else did….)"
mike_c: mircea_popescu: he might only have 50mn, his wife is making a grab too :)
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's the idea, spend it all on litigation first.
mircea_popescu: only hire black lawyer chicks over 180 that'll give you nookie, too.
mike_c: he's likely got enough money to buy some friends in gov'ment. it will be interesting. guys like that don't traditionally go quietly.
mircea_popescu: if only these schmucks learned to stop sliding quietly into the night.
mike_c: hm, actually i don't know if he inherited or is self-made. self-made rich guys don't usually go quietly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?
assbot: Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. it's a fucking boxing match among cowards, blergh. i demand better show.
mircea_popescu: princess-nell what do you want to do with your future ?
princess-nell: probably to get the hell out of the us for the first thing
mircea_popescu: ok. what pando daily claims and proposes it wants to be is this true news venue.
mircea_popescu: it did manage to get out some decent reporting. it seems it's sinking tho.
mircea_popescu: it's an endless pushing uphill for very little money, journalism. why'd you want it ?!
mircea_popescu: a stupid reason as any other. well, anyway : who do you know that can rack muck ? can you get a team together ?
princess-nell: hmm. probably not. everyone who isn't a coward has more important things to do.
ThickAsThieves: i'm still willing to go to bitcoin2014 under any charge
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves weren't you going to ask i forgot who i forgot what ?
mircea_popescu: he's on irc all day long and his wife's getting bored.
ThickAsThieves: cuz i like amsterdam, wouldnt mind some offtime to write uo a bizplan, and i like putting people on the spor
ThickAsThieves: i'll ask any of them whatever as long as it doesnt get me jailed and is an honest question
ThickAsThieves: we have "economic development councils" in the local counties, which seem to mostly serve sending employees on trips and making studies that show how other people's work is their own somehow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07538979 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: BREAKING: Protesters attack Google bus in West Oakland, smashing window | PandoDaily
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: sorry but the mission, the tenderloin, those place could use cleaning up
assbot: Voice for princess-nell extended to 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07478886 = 0.2244 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i bet princess-nell loved this commenter "Thanks. Very impressive and insightful, especially coming from a woman. Libertarian chicks are always the hottest."
ozbot: Whistleblower Claims Google Stole Money From Publishers Using Adsense
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: concepts… definitely concepts
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell dexX7 kinda just random blah blah, but y'know, wallet inspectors
bitcoinpete: having a fun dm convo with my little bro about the clippers dude.
bitcoinpete: i'm all "common people don't decide what's good and bad, shit all we can do about dude's personal affairs, racism isn't a thing, etc."
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 32k High: 190 Low: 190 VWAP: 190
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there << recall the original michael moore piece ?
mircea_popescu: some derpage about how people living off gm in a city that exists because of gm are allowed to hate gm ?
mircea_popescu: lol @ "especially coming from a woman" part. yeah, teh neckbeards are such a well spoken, brilliant lot.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: commenter had to be trollin', just had to
assbot: Voicing bitstein for 30 minutes.
atcbot: 6k@230 60k@225 10k@220 | 128k@195 2k@170 5k@156
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30370 Time: 2014-04-29T23:39:10Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000001dde1c79d88b2c06a761fe14ecbed4f43d10ee1a7676790f46fa Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 552 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
benkay: hey BingoBoingo what was the computer you smoked trying to get a 4096 bit key on?
benkay: ooh and what happened to the nominal doxxing of satoshi nakamoto?
ozbot: Anarchist Protestors Blocked Uber Cars in the Streets of Seattle
benkay: and why'd it get smoked? too hot?
cgcardona_: probably been hashed over a thousand times but thoughts on the MIT $100 worth of btc per student news?
mircea_popescu: then get gpg going on a secure system and get registered with gribble.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe? Looks like a couple capacitors popped.
kakobrekla: cgcardona_ too late, sr already closed.
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
cgcardona_: no i mean 'sr already closed' whatcha mean sr?
cgcardona_: probably obvious in which case excuse me in adcance
mircea_popescu: it's really not so bad an idea. certainly the best thing mit is currently doing for its students' future.
kakobrekla: you can do something with a million. you cant do shit with 100$.
kakobrekla: so they are doing something into nothing.
mircea_popescu: i can't believe this guy's name actually is goldstein.
mircea_popescu: a better name one could not have for bitcoin involvement.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla by the time the kids retire, a 0.2 btc stash will buy them some bjs.
cgcardona_: i figure it'll inspire a whole new group of startups for better or worse
cgcardona_: *ominous ycombinator black helicoptor flies over*
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