mircea_popescu: 2.) fluffypony 1247 3.) assbot 1211 << africans and their long peens.
BingoBoingo: Imma have to guess the S.MPIF markets are BTC/USD, BTC/Typhoon submarines, BTC/Uranium, and BTC/Human Souls
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mike_c: hm, there has got to be an arbitrage loop on btc/usd/human souls
mircea_popescu: Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.
ozbot: Fallout 2 Intro (1998) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: "From 1985 to 1989 Williamson worked at Nicolet Instruments in Madison, Wisconsin where he was the primary author on two digital hearing aid patents."
ozbot: amniotic sac | Flickr - Photo Sharing
BingoBoingo: Amazing how in the US Steam plants are generally just a University thing and yet every on campus steam plant I've seen has been as boring as shit.
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay: lysergic precursors are strictly controlled, whaddaya expect?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00095286 = 5.1693 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: romania had, in all cities, proper urinals built all over town. the whole shebang, with running water.
mircea_popescu: dumbass firm started importing the 2mc bullshits, with chemical "processing"
mircea_popescu: and got kickback-based contracts to "supply" the city.
mircea_popescu: as a result, all the proper urinals are nao destroyed.
mircea_popescu: because well.... they can't compete, because they solve a problem rather than grooming it with dysfunctional non-solutions, and so have nothing to kick back.
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: now... explain to me again how teh nsa is 5 years ahead of my penis.
mike_c: fuck, there goes my evening.
mircea_popescu: "In an expansion investors are constantly looking for better places to invest their capital, while entrepreneurs are always overconfident, hoping to get capital to fund their restless ambition. Sometimes, the investors (dupes) think a certain set of key characteristics are sufficient statistics of a quality investment because historically they were. Mimic entrepreneurs seize upon these key characteristics that will all
benkay: Once the number of mimics is sufficiently high, their valueless enterprises become too conspicuous and they no longer pass off as legitimate investments.
mircea_popescu: benkay a good theory which requires dupes to have a functioning ganglion.
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay: no but they have shitloads of cash
mircea_popescu: Your browser is not compatible with this site. Sorry :( << kakobrekla wtf bs!
kakobrekla: anyway it involved different kind of brain power than the 2048
kakobrekla: anyway i just thought it was rele-tarded enough to post.
mircea_popescu: "AllAdvantage was a website that paid members to surf the Net. It paid to acquire these users, and supposedly leveraged its members’ eyeballs into advertizing dollars. At the initial fundraiser internet capitalist Frank Quattrone, who helped fund Cisco and many other legitimate successful concerns, and President Clinton both paid tribute to AllAdvantage"
benkay: "For example, subsequent to the 1990 Commercial Real Estate debacle, defaults in this asset class were well below average across the board for the subsequent decade. In the aftermath of that crisis, newly issued Commercial Real Estate Asset Backed securities did very well, because everyone was especially cognizant of the risk factors involved. A similar thing happened in railroads after the Penn Central railroad defaulted in the early
benkay: 1970s. Fooled once, investors were not fooled again in that specific way, making the key risky asset characteristic of the latest recession a metric of safety going forward."
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay: if only the forum knew its own history.
mircea_popescu: but see, suppose you wanna eat her out. what do you do ? full shower ? sink acrobatics ?
benkay: plenty of material left.
ozbot: The Vienna Offensive, a hetalia - axis powers fanfic | FanFiction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095034 = 3.9914 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7225 @ 0.00095192 = 6.8776 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06869835 = 0.8931 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00095226 = 7.7133 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: ClubOrlov: RIP Mike Ruppert
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00095588 = 12.1875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51029099 = 1.0206 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6975 @ 0.00095496 = 6.6608 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00095481 = 10.5984 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00095588 = 11.2794 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031998 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04185166 = 0.2511 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
dexX7: anyone from bitcoindoc.com here?
mike_c: higher numbers of crackers
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4. // i likes me a challenge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51990652 = 1.0398 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0048 = 0.144 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095552 = 4.0524 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8458 @ 0.00095445 = 8.0727 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: so many logs, so many logs, so many logs, hey hey hey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8040 @ 0.00095507 = 7.6788 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07499998 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3819 @ 0.00095507 = 3.6474 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095546 = 1.481 BTC [+]
ozbot: Apple slice: Share split makes joining the Dow more likely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8524 @ 0.00095363 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 956 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3790% in 5d 16h 22m 14s
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell kakobrekla thanks for the link and the lmao forum investors gif!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4187 @ 0.00095588 = 4.0023 BTC [+]
bgupta: So is there any way to cryptographically take a blockchain and split it into seperate blockchains but transfer value between the blockchains on a 1/1 ratio, without having them just simply be seperate blockchains with market dynamics?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095218 = 3.5231 BTC [-]
ozbot: The Epicurean Dealmaker: Everyone Can Be Super
bitcoinpete: "The gleaming monuments of every society are built high upon the bones and broken dreams of millions and millions of nobodies who hoped for something better."
bitcoinpete: "Here’s the straight dope: you ain’t that great, and you sure as hell ain’t that unique. Get in line with the other millions in your age group and suck it up."
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu let me tell you about this crazy thing some crypto cats were banging on at me about today. given a company who's interested in genes and a uni with a giant set of genes and phone numbers for each, how do you match the people with the company without the company revealing what sequence it's interested in or the uni the people's gene sequences?
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control one computer working with the other two in lockstep to solve the problem.
benkay: asciilifeform: your wisdom and insight on the topic much appreciated to boot.
benkay: "semi homomorphic encryption and multiparty communication" is what the web tells me this snake oil is called.
benkay: off for the night, y'all. please break havelock for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.067173 = 0.3359 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00095218 = 5.8083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095303 = 15.6297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1257 @ 0.00095303 = 1.198 BTC [+]
ozbot: Kentucky postal worker jailed for stashing 44,900 pieces of mail - CNN.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0075 = 1.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06555962 = 6.556 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.06522636 = 2.5438 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.06263131 = 5.6368 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095339 = 5.053 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 266 @ 0.00083683 = 0.2226 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00095099 = 10.7937 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6243 @ 0.00095341 = 5.9521 BTC [+]
ozbot: An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day
HeySteve: hey fluffypony, do you know what sort of customs duty SA would charge on electronics imports?
fluffypony: HeySteve: it depends on what electronics...typically for PC components it's just 14% VAT and a release fee (R15 - R30)
fluffypony: because PC components are classified by customs as "spare parts"
HeySteve: I found a nice camera on coinsfortech selling for btc, works out about R7000 cheaper than on kalahari including shipping
fluffypony: CoinsForTech ship with FedEx (SupaSwift is the local agent)
fluffypony: so you'll also have to pay their admin/documentation charges
fluffypony: yeah, and a camera isn't electronics components, different tarriff heading
fluffypony: not sure what tariff heading they'll list it under
fluffypony: processing fee of R142.83, disbursement fee of R26.51, release fee of R2, all plus VAT
HeySteve: right. still about R4k cheaper, it's just the wait time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4207 @ 0.00095471 = 4.0165 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095417 = 9.7325 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095488 = 6.0157 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2107 @ 0.00095409 = 2.0103 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04417849 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: how are you guys today?
moiety: i don't feel fully awake
wywialm: hello moiety, hello mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: o hey, wywialm didja read my fundamental thing on economics ?
wywialm: yes, i did, i'm in the process of responding
wywialm: it may take a day or so, unfortunately
ozbot: Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph
wywialm: would you like to discuss it in the channel or read my opinion in the comments?
mircea_popescu: the channel is difficult to sort for all but the most advanced of wizards
moiety: I'm now imagining you in full wizard get up when in here
ozbot: RAF fighter jets intercept Russian bombers off coast of Scotland | UK news | theguardian.com
mircea_popescu: A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence.
mircea_popescu: Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter.
moiety: i don't think they were planning dropping off manuls
moiety: probably. the base mentioned, Leuchars, is closing too
moiety: what happened with the max keiser fight night thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00095074 = 8.5975 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don;t think the SOPS appreciate the seriousness of the problem. once people are actually willing to fight anyone you fucking name, to the death, your days are quite numbered.
ozbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06778263 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00095614 = 16.5412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
CheckDavid: How does it work here now mircea_popescu ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00095232 = 3.714 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you gotta get in the trustlist of someone assbot trusts
CheckDavid: I am not doing much business in here or even trading a single satoshi around
CheckDavid: So I don't know much ways on how to do that with begging
mircea_popescu: the idea is that if you don't trade you prolly don't need voice.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
fluffypony: CheckDavid: go do some trades in -otc then? always good to have some historical ratings on the WoT
CheckDavid: Such a hassle to authenticate with gribble on a mobile device
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid if you're doing business, then you're definitely doing business with someone here at some point, or with someone they know.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the reason why good crypto is a hassle on smartphones is exactly what one'd expect.
CheckDavid: How do you map a reason to an expectation?
mircea_popescu: ie, that it's not accidental, but deliberate, as part of a broader govt sponsored industry agreement to keep mobiles weak cryptographically
fluffypony: goes back to the NSA convo from yesterday
mircea_popescu: as teh observation goes, all nsa successes to date are social engineering, not mathematical.
mircea_popescu: even if bounce would like us to believe they;'re smart, the record is actulaly that they're devious instead.
chetty: doesn't gubermint and devious mean the same thing?
CheckDavid: Who needs to be smart when you can fool a genius?
ozbot: Unique Ax Uses Physics to Make Wood Chopping Smarter, Not Harder | TheBlaze.com
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: bunch of coolness in there
CheckDavid: I was sent a proposal to represent a business in acquiring projects for them on a commission based rewards schedule.
davout: mircea_popescu: i recall visiting some old farm, and being shown tools that looked rudimentary, but were in fact perfectly balances as to minimize the strain on the farmer
CheckDavid: But confused me is how the commissions are based on the profit, and not on the sales volume or revenue
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: the proposed commissions on the draft are based on profit
CheckDavid: Like. X% of the profit generated from my sale
punkman: that axe looks like it might be awkward when chopping horizontally
chetty: sounds like a bad deal CheckDavid , company can just spend whatever of ads and exec salaries and you get squat
CheckDavid: I know chetty . that's why I found it weird
CheckDavid: Dissimulating profits is a pretty straightforward process
fluffypony: CheckDavid: based on gross profit or net profit?
fluffypony: I mean, I can understand if there's a fixed CoS and they're calling (CoS - Sales) "profit"
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: just a contract for sales rep that sets commissions to be based on profit instead of sales volume
CheckDavid: I was just wondering if this is normal
CheckDavid: Because I have never seen this kind of arrangement before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00095239 = 9.1906 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i guess it's just an arbitrary different comission %
mircea_popescu: item sells for 10k, profit is 1k, make 1% of net sales or 10% of net profit, same deal, you make 100 bux per item
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: CheckDavid: there is actually some precedent - I have a very good friend who moved here from Sweden to sell industrial cleaning equipment/supplies. he knows the cost of the product, and dependent on the size of the sale he can offer a discount to the client. his comm is based on the "profit" in that it's (sales - cost of sales), so he won't offer a discount on small sales but might determine it worthwhile reducing his comm on a larger sale
mircea_popescu: yeah it's kinda how large deals work. industrial equipment is a perfect example.
mircea_popescu: anywya, if you're working for a start-up you want either equity or a salary.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: yes. But it's for IT contracts. All contracts are different and have different details
mircea_popescu: in NO case do you work for a startup on a comission basis wtf is this, the land of where they get shit for free ?
CheckDavid: I see fluffypony . actually make sense
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: really? I don't see why not
mircea_popescu: it's building their equity. either they pay for it or you get a share of it.
CheckDavid: The contacts I generate are supposed to generate life time commissions
mircea_popescu: always very easy to find out which. just, need a little experience in business.
fluffypony: otherwise after a year or two the company can "fold" and reopen to service all the old clients, cutting you out the loop
CheckDavid: Though I was thinking about starting collaboration in a more informal manner.
mircea_popescu: informal only works if you're either part of the core or part of a group that can squish them.
fluffypony: there was a rental agency that had this awesome comm structure - find a tenant and you get half of their management fee for the lifetime of the tenant (they charge ~10% of the rent as a management fee)
mircea_popescu: that's why founderds deals work informally, and VCs deals not so much.
CheckDavid: A position of experience and financial success
fluffypony: they exploded, dominated the scene as everyone referred their friends and all the home owners wanted tenants through them
fluffypony: fast forward 2 years and they "go bankrupt" and this new crowd that registered a business like a month ago "buys" all their existing contracts and databases and everything for $100 or something stupid
mircea_popescu: fluffypony happens all the damned time. i know like... two lawyers that ever successfully litigated the sort of shit
fluffypony: someone eventually connects that the new company is owned by the other guy's brother-in-law...cue shitstorm of epic proportions, but they got away with it because laws.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1002 @ 0.00095239 = 0.9543 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid jus' sayin'. in the end you do what you gotta do, but always better if you know the score than if you don't.
CheckDavid: The score? Isnt that only known in the end of the game?
CheckDavid: I thought you were still telling me the rules of the game.
CheckDavid: Haha. My total lack of knowledge of these expressions.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, but I think the legal framework in the EU in general is more mature...ZA law is Dutch-Roman with some British influence, but there's lots of stuff that has only come about more recently (eg. modern regulation of securities only happened with the Securities Services Act of 2004)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00095232 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: "Fuck! He don't know the score. He sees a dame like you and a guy like me. He don't know."
mircea_popescu: said by a 6 yo puerto rican kid on the lam to a 50 yo retired blonde prostitute.
toddf: so am i in a void or is any news or chatter about picostocks.com just nonexistent? ;-)
toddf: ok so even here, chatter about picostocks is .. dated
ozbot: Chase Bank Slams the Door on More Porn Stars - XBIZ.com
toddf: mircea_popescu: picostocks + cointerra sure
toddf: I've put some money in, and have already returned my investment plus, keeps on truckin, so .. 100th at least seems not to be a scam to me
toddf: there are clearly bot based traders present, but how is that new vs other exchanges
ozbot: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06778368 = 0.3389 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is a poor argument. if you read the logs you'll see you're by no means singular in making that error.
toddf: yes I've followed the thread, same content as on bitcointalk.org
toddf: so "I made money, just curious to talk to others who are also there" is a bad argument?
mircea_popescu: (keeps everything, including the posts scamtalk.org mods try to hide)
mircea_popescu: it's an exact restatement of "driving faster than i can handle the car while drunk is safe, because i got home alright"
mircea_popescu: you will get fucked one day, and that day you will lose more than all your aggregate gains.
mircea_popescu: ask jurov, ask bugpowder, ask duffer ask what, dozens of people.
mircea_popescu: every single pirate investor "made money". until they didn't.
toddf: hmm, guess I'll focus on refining my btc-e.com trading bot
mircea_popescu: rithm is not voiced, so he can't say anything about thatg :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06779999 = 0.339 BTC [+]
toddf: if ppl not voiced wanna privchat me about picostocks fine. so .. I'll ensure I have net positive out and consinder continued income non reliable .. *shrug*.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06779999 = 0.678 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: blockchain bombardment from orbit
toddf: yeah, that was interesting news when i first read about it
toddf: akin to broadcasting usenet news from orbit
toddf: wonder when someone will skip the expense and simply start broadcasting bitcoin blocks via usenet .. which then can come to you .. from orbit ..
toddf: 'course not the nifty easy receiver mobile device and all that but hey, multiple paths mean more resiliancy right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0678 = 0.5424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00095232 = 4.9521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00095257 = 6.0907 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: hm, that's like 1000 lines ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00095232 = 3.476 BTC [-]
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> fukn ponzi
gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00095091 = 8.6495 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9054 @ 0.00095325 = 8.6307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009556 = 5.3514 BTC [+]
fluffypony: the (former) software devs are still figuring things out
fluffypony: and ThickAsThieves asked them to come here and chat to us
Anduck: is there a good summary of that whole neo bee casE?
fluffypony: let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves
Anduck: they give + to people with no news knowledge
assbot: Voicing only for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: anduck. what i am referring to has absolutely nothing to do with revelations about what happened to make Neo fall
ThickAsThieves: for the most part, that situation is now up to Danny and the authorities
ThickAsThieves: thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
ThickAsThieves: We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
Anduck: tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent?
ThickAsThieves: you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form
Anduck: but i am leaving in 2 mins
Anduck: no time to read big papers
ozbot: Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge
ThickAsThieves: did you know that Amiga pixels were rectangles, not squares
mircea_popescu: it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is :
mircea_popescu: ima make you a s.mpif manager, give you 50 BTC , your job is to try and make a profit trading s.mpif of mpex.
mircea_popescu: you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly.
mircea_popescu: this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund
mircea_popescu: (it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause)
mircea_popescu: kinda planning to announce the management rooster today, you'd be the 5th.
Anduck: mircea popescus investment fund i assume
Anduck: i never read logs if i am not hilighted
fluffypony: kakobrekla: can you make assbot ping Anduck every day at a random time? :-P
assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Anduck.
mircea_popescu: i didnt get to lulz yet, still working on you know, actual things :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0009556 = 2.2457 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "No one will ever beat this guy's record."
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fluffypony: lol - "If gox is solvent I'll buy you a Frappucino"
davout: ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites
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davout: ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites, dat bounty
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mircea_popescu: Al Gore asserted that it’s crucial for global philanthropists to impose “fertility management” on Africa.
mircea_popescu: if you like your big penis you can keep your big penis.
davout: ;;rate justmoon 1 met IRL, nice guy
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fluffypony: looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get rs.guru
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: mp.ceo is still available
davout: ;;rate molecular 1 met IRL, nice guy
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00095222 = 9.3318 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: you can get tat.ventures
ozbot: earn currently unavailable
jurov runs for jurov.vermögensberatung
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.52695644 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {5}
jurov: in practice just salesman of "life insurance"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04150006 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.031988 = 0.128 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov i love how english berating and german beratung are cognates.
mircea_popescu: consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04111429 = 0.2878 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: #tex2html_wrap430#
kakobrekla: it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased
kakobrekla: interestingly it tries to fix the correct word.
kakobrekla: anyway im off for a couple of hrs. later
ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00095439 = 0.44 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's how you treat kids you'd like to see grow up into people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00095197 = 3.6651 BTC [-]
davout: mircea_popescu: mazeltov for S.MPIF !
chetty: asciilifeform, he is bowing to it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, which is why they have their own managers
jurov: did obama try google car yet?
chetty: asciilifeform, nah he has best insurance policy - its called Biden
mircea_popescu: benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00455081 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00451371 = 0.1535 BTC [-]
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: i mean... not a single correct one at all. 0. zilch. nada.
Naphex: woot. new servers got here :D
Naphex: time to do some benchs
Naphex: 2xE5-2640v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 8x256GB(SAM/SSD) - LSI9271-8i 2RU :D
Naphex: 2xE5-2620v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 2x600GB(ST/SAS) - LSi9260-4i 1RU
mircea_popescu: why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn
ozbot: You got goxed - Gfycat
mircea_popescu: hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52194701 = 1.0439 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ;;rate kimjongun 1 our glorious leader
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mircea_popescu: you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces!
mircea_popescu: "1 in 7 crimes committed in New York City now involves an Apple product being stolen."
HeySteve: looks like some gox coins went into maidsafe
fluffypony: well, it it's good enough for Karpeles, it's good enough for me
Luke-Jr: [13:11:59] <mircea_popescu> APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00095084 = 3.2329 BTC [-]
hanbot: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 Valiant soldier of solder.
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ozbot: Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 033601 (2013) - Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced
chetty: asciilifeform, sometimes I think that would be an improvement
Naphex: fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box)
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Naphex: i'm not a fan of the cloud
Naphex: i still prefer having my own serves(bought hardware), coloc'd at industrial datacenters
Naphex: where you get an account manager that you know
fluffypony: Naphex:
http://owncloud.org - it's just a FOSS implementation of a Google Drive/DropBox style service, so you have to host your own server to run it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
fluffypony: asciilifeform: if you're a company that doesn't want to trust your data to DropBox for sensitivity reasons, but still need to have similar functionality, it's great
fluffypony: not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like
hanbot: ;;rate davout 1 Delivered a worthy smackdown.
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hanbot: ;;rate mike_c 1 Steel will, neat skills.
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fluffypony: asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an
https api
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
fluffypony: the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00095187 = 11.9755 BTC [+]
hanbot: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag.
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HeySteve: this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil
HeySteve: learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap
fluffypony: HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything
fluffypony: HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year
HeySteve: well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum
HeySteve: fluffypony, yeah just heard, praise jebus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095084 = 3.0427 BTC [-]
bounce: pfft. some adsl is perfectly stable.
fluffypony: bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here
fluffypony: most of our phone lines are still on wooden poles
fluffypony: with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole
HeySteve: eh, was just on roof with pole trying to connect to WUG but trees seem to have firmly occluded signals
HeySteve: sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs"
fluffypony: HeySteve: you linked to blockchain.info/ru/tags which is russian
davout: mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
HeySteve: I ain't 100% sure myself but basically decentralised interwebs
HeySteve: seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho
HeySteve: so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool
davout: ;;rate hanbot 1 delivered a fuckton of worthy smackdowns
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00470969 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095084 = 4.2788 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.00471 = 1.3235 BTC [+]
fluffypony: asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch
hanbot: ;;rate thickasthieves 1 Conscientious reflector.
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HeySteve: fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
hanbot: ;;rate jurov 1 A dili-, intelli-, gent.
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jurov: you're welcome. coinbr customer or?
fluffypony: jurov: [16:04:49] <+davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
bounce: and then you have a submarine. then what?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: so going back to your bitcoin-undersea-nodes idea;)
ThickAsThieves: the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable
jurov: how would they broadcast? ultrasound? or they'll automatically seek and tap fiber?
bounce: maybe cheaper to get a 2nd hand sea platform or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00095187 = 8.8048 BTC [+]
bounce: parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then?
fluffypony: if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it
bounce: that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side.
bounce: do you need mobility? access?
bounce: then concrete caissons might be more appropriate.
bounce: why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside.
bounce: you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do?
jurov: saltwater breaks down concrete
jurov: or at least permeates
jurov: you'd like your payload dry, i suppose
bounce: plastic liner, perhaps mineral oil instead of air for a filler
bounce: entirely underwater appears to be less of a problem than half-submerged
ozbot: Salt-water Concrete - Concrete Construction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03249999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0435 = 0.261 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19659 @ 0.00095061 = 18.688 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24041 @ 0.00094938 = 22.824 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
fluffypony: crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief."
fluffypony: meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00095187 = 9.4702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00094924 = 13.3843 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032948 = 0.1977 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [-]
mike_c: kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log
mike_c: to avoid having to press the 'end' key?
jurov: yes, for tables it's nice too. i had to install some obscure threefinger dolphin plugin
jurov: for "scroll to end"
mike_c: and if you're in there, small bug report: weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string.
mike_c: multi-tiered multi-firewall. sounds secure!
benkay: jurov that porn star bank thing is just unreal
fluffypony: those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd?
benkay: mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant.
benkay: ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.55993150 BTC to 7`105 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00095187 = 1.1137 BTC [+]
jurov: ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere?
benkay: was hoping. nice to have you.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
benkay: is there an ident timeout?
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b6805062a69d88d6bbd941cb26ed5f37f08141da4d583b9f9ce7e73e
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ThickAsThieves: <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call
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benkay: still curious about timeout
ThickAsThieves: thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
ThickAsThieves: We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
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benkay: ;;unrate TestingUnoDosTres
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ThickAsThieves: jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan
benkay: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire.
benkay: fluffypony, ThickAsThieves i'm testing a scarcity hunch
benkay: i'll let you know how it goes in a decade.
fluffypony: benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops
fluffypony: and we have reboot the router to reconnect
ThickAsThieves: "At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. "
ozbot: Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog
benkay: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/
benkay: house, plant. employees, slaves...
fluffypony: admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process
benkay: <ThickAsThieves> unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D
dexX7: hehe yup, something like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.0009517 = 23.8211 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing.
mircea_popescu: Naphex where are you hosting, tesari's magical oradea dc ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 223 @ 0.00084219 = 0.1878 BTC {2}
Naphex: mircea_popescu: gts telecom
Naphex: deficated locked down racks
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre.
benkay: now with poop security.
Naphex: benkay: hehe sorry ben, using phone
benkay: no apologies necessary.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session
mircea_popescu: <davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? < aye
fluffypony: asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! <<< women aren't human!
Naphex: but i wrote a interface for it just in case :p
mircea_popescu: <bounce> and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D
fluffypony: Naphex: it's significantly faster for HFT than a RESTful API :)
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P
Naphex: will deff integrate with rtbtc
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive.
mircea_popescu: missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS
mircea_popescu: because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs.
fluffypony: I don't understand...maidsafe's trying to do a bitbet?
mircea_popescu: the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing
fluffypony: oh Danny boy's quote, tks, have context nao
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers << lol i actually said EXACTLY that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00095176 = 4.4181 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so maidsafe wants to moderate what color money itll accept now?
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz
ThickAsThieves: cuz taking on celebrity bitcoin advisers has worked so well so far
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: former rtbtc
assbot: Voicing dooglus for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> deficated locked down racks << only way to go, wd.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> fix sucks << fix sucks in the sense the old volga car sucks.
mircea_popescu: it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9285 @ 0.00095453 = 8.8628 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: severs rock too, should carry lots
assbot: Voicing efalken for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: everyone : efalken is the guy who wrote the piece about mimics we read earlier
mircea_popescu: lol. i'm trying to argue this angle where bitcoin is for intelligent life forms.
gribble: Error: "us" is not a valid command.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: THQ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.0009564 = 15.3407 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: Naphex: seriously what?:o
Naphex: damn phone, sec let me move
benkay: mircea_popescu: you starve me of my due credit oh bitlord
benkay: i suppose anyone can stitch the falken links together
mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744
jurov: should have invested in coinroll
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's sd done by a better guy, with a better model.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention.
benkay: whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans.
mircea_popescu: if anyone proposes we devoice you i'll make sure to mention it, how about that ? :D
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my Trilema credits
mircea_popescu: i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar"
benkay: har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways.
mircea_popescu: efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest"
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ah yes, I can never remember
mircea_popescu: the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on.
gribble: I have not seen randomcat.
gribble: random_cat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <random_cat> next year?
assbot: Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
benkay: lol 3 pings. ideally that'll get someone's attention.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 16297 BTC profit, 35.9k BTC invested, 1092.27 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered
Naphex: mircea_popescu: q, if user wants to change gpg key. req gpgauth. if lost only real-life iding process will recover
Naphex: there are clients who go and wait by the atmi
Naphex: after selling their btc
Naphex: without hitting withdraw. then they call mad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06778 = 0.2711 BTC [-]
Naphex: or others who just fill the deposit form
Naphex: and wait for us to withdraw money from their account
mircea_popescu: i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better"
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
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Naphex: MD still talks like that:]
ozbot: Tatra 603 ad - YouTube
gribble: Nick 'dooglus', with hostmask 'dooglus!~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus', is identified as user 'dooglus', with GPG key id 4BE6A010492A358E, key fingerprint 258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E, and bitcoin address 1Doog7asLrYah3yeUppBVj8nUYnFkmXm2N
dooglus: I noticed you had voiced me for 30 minutes about 31 minutes after it happened
mircea_popescu: anyway, you id with gribble, you pm assbot !up and you're good.
dooglus: assbot ignores 'help' - but google told me about !up
dooglus: well, I did all that - or I wouldn't be talking now
benkay: would it be a terrible idea to allow people to request voice in chan via pm once every so many minutes?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those
mircea_popescu: benkay like, once every half hour someone (anyone) can pm assbot "!plz" and assbot will dump in chan "Anyone wanna !up X?"
dooglus: would it be useful if I made the S.MPIF Just-Dice account balance visible to the public?
mircea_popescu: dooglus it can't hurt anything. you know which it is ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's exactly it.
mike_c: now we can watch and see if that account is betting with pif money too :)
mike_c: jd creates a new account whenever someone not-cookied visits JD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00094923 = 6.1396 BTC [-]
Duffer1: mp ask nokawa he might be interested :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was a particular type of them. ro military used them extensively.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00094923 = 4.6408 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: and bs, you could never find models. only models of these other shitty trucks
assbot: Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52141571 = 1.5642 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ozbot pls to tell me wtf link is cause otherwise i just ignore them ty.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001306 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the us has a serious problem with the absnece of an evil empire.
ThickAsThieves: blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs
mircea_popescu: they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland
mircea_popescu: where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes
mircea_popescu: either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too.
benkay: i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference.
mircea_popescu: consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids"
Naphex: thats taboo now though!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095533 = 12.4671 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it
assbot: Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: (my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication)
mircea_popescu: there's an international market for badly brought up western females ?
mircea_popescu: maybe if someone's looking for exclamation point counting services.
dooglus: "whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52145683 BTC [+]
dooglus: (accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped)
mircea_popescu: dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth
Naphex: dooglus: ever tought about putting out an API? I've heard of guys who'd want to put JustDice in a Romanian Gabling Machine :)
Naphex: the ones the put in 'birts', what are they called mircea_popescu ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back.
Naphex: atleast thats how i heard it proposed
mircea_popescu: Naphex you should build an api to support his api to make it easy for bars.
Naphex: btcxchange-rpc api should support mostly anything. but i'm swamped
Naphex: working on the btc payments gateway
Naphex: so they can start advertising to online stores
mircea_popescu: dooglus you been putting any work into getting a physical machine ?
Naphex: physical machine wouldn't be hard at all
mircea_popescu: things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. << this again and again
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BingoBoingo: ;;rate hanbot 3 Only Functional part of Bitcointalk
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user hanbot has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: "and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00471 = 0.1978 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help < "!help" works ??
assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < hmm ??
mircea_popescu: (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) | (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given you're identified with gribble and in assbot's L2 WoT)
kakobrekla: <mike_c> kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc
mircea_popescu: not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo.
kakobrekla: <hanbot> ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. < jurov must be jelly
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00095778 = 16.5217 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that.
ozbot: Notorious Troll Says He Will Create Trolly Hedge Fund Called "TRO LLC"
kakobrekla: >> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4538 @ 0.00013015 = 0.5906 BTC [-] {7}
jborkl_: Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl
jborkl_: it is going to be on bcoinnews.com for now I guess- I could always put it on btcrack.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.043999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6241 BTC [-]
Naphex: "Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage."
moiety: would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu
Naphex: so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc
Naphex: i think thats mostly it:o
gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
Naphex: the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts
Naphex: nice move, doable. mastercard might have a field day though :D
moiety: i just made an entirely unnatural noise, not gonna lie
moiety: right into a jar (thinking ahead)
mircea_popescu: "i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers"
moiety: bahahaha "surprisingly comfortable too"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095626 = 3.06 BTC [+]
moiety: i wonder how long 1QUEEFS would take to generate....
moiety: aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit
BingoBoingo: If all caps is a must it will take longe rthough
moiety: i think allcaps looks better
fluffypony: that mircea_popescu declared #bitcoin-assets become /r/awww
moiety: jesus, pretty violent hiccups too!
Naphex: BingoBoingo: hey, if you have any suggestions, annoiances or any feedback regarding usage of btcxchange, shoot any time. :D
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fluffypony: turtle approval is at an all time high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6193 BTC [-]
fluffypony: "This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo."
fluffypony: I don't have a submarine, but I hope to have one through a military contractor...I can haz press coverage nao?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06968754 = 1.0453 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: " but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank"
bounce: huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba
ThickAsThieves: that makes them like the 11th co to claim a btc credit card
bounce: didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap?
ThickAsThieves: A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can
ozbot: Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED
bounce: zeromq is a p2p thing now?
fluffypony: I actually have a BTC debit card from the now defunct thebitcoincard.co.uk
ozbot: First prepaid card to exchange Bitcoins
fluffypony: and you have to wade through a French website to activate it
fluffypony: and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from thebitcoincard.co.uk and they'd load it on your card in fiat
HeySteve: I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets
HeySteve: bitwasp too, where one can have ephemeral markets that come and go like a stream of soap bubble worlds
HeySteve: verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade
HeySteve: it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..."
HeySteve: there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating
fluffypony: pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon...
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada?
HeySteve: ah wait my mistake, they do say they have a rep system
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mircea_popescu: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ?
assbot: Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
bounce: why such hate? france AND bitcoin. what's not to love?
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punkman: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions
mircea_popescu: punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor.
fluffypony: bounce: too many Frenchman in France, maybe that's his problem :-P
France-bitcoin: i'm here because gribble does not integrate #bitcoin-fr mostly
bounce: sheesh, even nickserv registered. such original nickname.
pankkake: France might end up with more tourists than French
punkman: mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes
fluffypony: pankkake: surely the French would never allow it!
fluffypony: "On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from
ozbot: "Waiting for Superman": What it Means for You and Your Child | Education.com
mircea_popescu: lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ?
assbot: Voicing VictorM for 30 minutes.
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davout: yea, i've been talking for a couple of minutes before realizing i didn't voice myself ><
davout: France-bitcoin: gribble is on #bitcoin-fr what are you talking about
davout: also that my apartment got broken into this afternoon, probably some french people...
davout: France-bitcoin mircea_popescu ahh i see
mircea_popescu: cause nanotube wanted to keep some sort of tabs on what chans you can auth from, which is sensible.
davout: bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police
davout: mircea_popescu: how is it sensible?
davout: France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway
nanotube: davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there.
mircea_popescu: davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing
France-bitcoin: well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :)
mircea_popescu: cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan
nanotube: davout: np. keep an eye out for scammers.
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gribble: You have not yet rated user nanotube
nanotube: France-bitcoin: that's cool. we should all move there, then. :)
davout: ;;rate nanotube 1 kind sir
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France-bitcoin: now i just got to debug some strange stuff with gribble privately and I will leave you alone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]
davout: France-bitcoin: publicly might be better if you're debugging gribble and if it's not too noisy :D
bounce: isn't that what #gribble is for?
fluffypony: lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames
France-bitcoin: well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about
davout: bounce: you got a point
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davout: the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go
davout: given that mastercard is pretty anti-bitcoin
fluffypony: davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it
fluffypony: they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids
fluffypony: and they said that in general MC and VISA don't care what they issue
fluffypony: and that their auth systems on the back-end don't even have to be actual currency
davout: fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba
fluffypony: couldn't you have gone with a VISA partner?
bounce: except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it
davout: so, as soon as they actually hear about it they'll fuck the deal up
davout: fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's
davout: but in theory there's nothing that prevents visa from doing it
davout: i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves
assbot: Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
France-bitcoin: thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet...
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kakobrekla: the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update
ozbot: Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks —
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kakobrekla: i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names
kakobrekla: 'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :)
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BingoBoingo: I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose.
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kakobrekla: pm, if im not on your whilelist i can paste here
kakobrekla: its not customary for such ops to do that here.
kakobrekla: you send in what you want and they spit out the number.
ThickAsThieves: [16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is
kakobrekla: they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used
kakobrekla: just saying its not an issue to get it done
kakobrekla: not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I expected you as more of a Devil Wears Prada kinda guy :-P
ThickAsThieves: not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch?
ThickAsThieves: not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components
mike_c: did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming.
ThickAsThieves: friedcat himself isnt exactly reliable, but he might have resources
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
Naphex: sorry, don't follow alts
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fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages
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bounce: apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities
fluffypony: asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them
fluffypony: that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095561 = 3.8224 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces."
fluffypony: "easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )"
fluffypony: (that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit)
fluffypony: "For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches."
fluffypony: anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see
fluffypony: [22:59:59] nextime signed on at 21 April 2014 at 10:35:57 PM SAST and has been idle for 39 minutes, 43 seconds
mike_c: that video is impressive (to me). i couldn't do that.
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mike_c: his does look a little neater :) but results are what counts.
mircea_popescu: <davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.
assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.
davout: mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin?
davout: the guys made money from custom debit cards
davout: please, do explain your reasoning
mircea_popescu: mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?
mike_c: next diff change suggest 2 THs
mircea_popescu: <bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.
mircea_popescu: davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.
mircea_popescu: sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.
mircea_popescu: what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06955678 = 0.2087 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnología shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around.
davout: mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do
assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
nextime: asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query?
nextime: asciilifeform : ok, as you prefer
fluffypony: asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing
nextime: asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right?
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nextime: ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )
nextime: asciilifeform : not an issue at all
nextime: asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted?
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nextime: asciilifeform : how many unique parts?
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nextime: on 50 pieces we are ~ at 20$ each
nextime: for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue
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nextime: asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches
nextime: asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real.
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nextime: for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say )
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nextime: asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements
nextime: ( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )
nextime: jborkl_ : a little bit better than my english :)
jborkl_: I have a Swiss friend here who teaches me a little time to time
assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
nextime: jborkl_ : so, let me say that in italy we usually say "che cazzo vuoi?" instead of "ma che vuoi?", a little bit more rude, but more common
jborkl_: I will make sure to use that on him :) thx
nextime: jborkl_: so, let's get more rude again: use "che cazzo dici?" instead of "ma che stai dicendo?"
jborkl_: we went and saw motogp and he was yelling when Rossi got cut off in Italin- pretty funny to ear
nextime: lol, i can imagine what you mean :) Italian speakers on motogp and motor sports in general are... uhmmm... "funny"? :)
jborkl_: I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off
nextime: ok, anyway, i must go back to my daddy role now, asciilifeform i will send you infos tomorrow ( as italy time ) after lunch when i will be in my laboratory
fluffypony: "President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project"
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fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's actually quite interesting
mircea_popescu: <jborkl_> only Italian I know << what, no rottinculo, no disgraziati, no nothing ?
fluffypony: costs about $5 500 for a company to list
fluffypony: and there are several stages including due dilligence
fluffypony: I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho
mircea_popescu: "I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!"
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is
mircea_popescu: The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange."
kakobrekla: the readability of the .ly is worse :\
mircea_popescu: phantomcircuit aka strateman aka bitcoin consultancy, intersangro etc
Apocalyptic: wait, how is phantomcircuit involved in this ?
mircea_popescu: who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ?
mircea_popescu: phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange.
☟︎ fluffypony: kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo
kakobrekla: Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this.
mircea_popescu: why is .io so popular with bitcoin scams & retarded noobs ?
Apocalyptic: kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income
kakobrekla: free as in not taken, not not costing any $
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while.
mircea_popescu: poor herbi, he had a good idea but not so good carry through
kakobrekla: ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1445 @ 0.00095722 = 1.3832 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC
BingoBoingo: Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later)
mircea_popescu: Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote | Feb 15 10:41:31 <mircea_popescu>pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do.
mircea_popescu: "we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke"
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't even have noticed it's trying to be had you not said so :D
artifexd: Both of which are currently down.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095444 = 6.6162 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i fell for hruschev and married him / turned out his cock was a cobb
mircea_popescu: There was once a great storm / Which moved the White House to the desert of Sahara
mircea_popescu: A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water,
phf: fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb
phf: that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :)
mircea_popescu: o btw, to note down the 2nd kicker in my thing, for they who do not speak russki :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Prolly a trackback from my post
mircea_popescu: "This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a
mircea_popescu: n equilibrium among insects, reptiles, or humans. Expect more unexpected recessions, just not real soon, and not in subprime housing."
mircea_popescu: this fucking article explains both why ycombinator is such a shitpile
mircea_popescu: and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model
mircea_popescu: i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52312269 = 3.6619 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo
BingoBoingo: herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC
BingoBoingo: One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it wasn't ever a very high amt or anything.
BingoBoingo: But at million dollar BTC, that's a new Dodge challenger with racing stripes he lost.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was
BingoBoingo: Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices.
BingoBoingo: At the time herbi mess up there still kind of was a reliable-ish spot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.0009568 = 8.7595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00095788 = 3.9225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52109887 BTC [-]
phf: asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, / suck a cock!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00470994 = 0.5181 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51780273 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00471 = 0.5134 BTC [+]
mike_c: trilema feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login? having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice.
mike_c: i'm trying to make more friends today by nitpicking everyone's work.
mike_c: i tried on kako before.
mike_c: he told me to piss off
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla is plenty user friendly. He just isn't luser friendly.
BingoBoingo: Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13004 @ 0.00095193 = 12.3789 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00497602 / 0.00763533 / 0.01098941 (455 shares, 3.47407316 BTC), 7D: 0.00413010 / 0.00731819 / 0.01098941 (1171 shares, 8.56960097 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01165576 / 0.08800000 (3024 shares, 35.24702191 BTC)