⏐︎ 8897
mats: :o
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4464 @ 0.00068912 = 3.0762 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21161 @ 0.00071934 = 15.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9296 @ 0.00071934 = 6.687 BTC [+]
mats: it surges
[]bot: Bet created: "CLAM to hit 0.015 or higher before March 3rd" http://bitbet.us/bet/1088/
BingoBoingo: mats: Maybe MP should stay on vacation?
mats: b-but without my 19 satoshis i will be unable to retire to a life of luxury and full breasted south american women
decimation: isn't conde nast media publically traded?
decimation: actually no, it's owned by "Advance publications" which is privately held
decimation: this guy (along with his brother) > http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-newhouse/ <owns advance publications, which owns reddit ☟︎
assbot: Donald Newhouse - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1HmNe1s )
decimation: ah, all the crazy lefties who own reddit are fighting the system by enriching some new york jew
mats: thats offensive
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BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2q0gtf/i_now_have_access_to_satoshi_nakamotos_email/
assbot: I now have access to Satoshi Nakamotos email address used in the Bitcoin Whitepaper (Satoshin@gmx.com). : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1sYBQYJ )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2000 @ 0.0012 = 2.4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00072352 = 1.9897 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2014-December/036067.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1sYDidv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9636 @ 0.00069838 = 6.7296 BTC [-]
decimation: BingoBoingo: coupled with the vague announcement yesterday, it seems someone in usg has decided to pull the plug on tor; possibly related to this sony attack
BingoBoingo: decimation: Or they decided successfully owning the thing most of the time wasn't enough.
decimation: well to whatever degree they 'owned' it before, it seems likely that is 'more owned' now
decimation: BingoBoingo: this 'reddit note' thing is hilarious. who wants to own 10% of a company that makes no money?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28264 @ 0.00066493 = 18.7936 BTC [-]
mats: more precisely,
mats: who wants to own 10% of a company that loses money?
decimation: mats: and what would have if you owned every reddit note? would you have a seat on the board? would you be able to show up at the 'advance publications' headquarters and demand free drinks?
undata: decimation: you just like... get infinite reddit gold... man.
undata: and a reddit alien plushie
mats: i'd ask for mod privileges on every subreddit
mats: then shadowban 90% of posters
decimation: it's amusing because apparently they get '70 million views' per month, and yet they are unable to be profitable... because if they started to monetize with ads, they are afraid that their '70 million views' would dry up
decimation: some bum who camps next to the George Washington bridge also has 300,000 'views' per day - that doesn't transform him into a 'profitable business' ☟︎
mats: now there's an idea
mats: bumvertisements!
undata: mats: http://www.bumvertising.com/
assbot: 403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1sYLeeM )
decimation: lol
undata: ...can't tell if serious
decimation: there would be nothing that would please me more than if I saw some bum with a yahoo ad
mats: why do you hate poor people
undata: http://www.bumvertising.com/images/bumsign.jpg << The juxtaposition there...
assbot: 403 Forbidden ... ( http://bit.ly/1sYLD0R )
thestringpuller: lol owning 10% of a company that makes no money.
mats: carpal tunnel blows
mats: fuuuuuck
mats: i once met a grizzled old dude in a bar who had been career airborne
mats: shortly after becoming an NCO he was involved in a bad jump where his hand got caught in the static line
mats: he had a few seconds to make a decision to risk breaking his arm and dying on the way down or lose a few fingers
mats: he decided to give up the fingers. told me it didn't hurt that much.
mats: same guy told me he developed carpal tunnel after getting into computers and using some weird one handed keyboard with odd mappings
mats: after drinking heavily one night he decided to fix the problem with a brick and smashed his wrist
mats: it didn't work. kek. but, this didn't hurt that much either...
mats: not the brightest guy but shit he was a boss
BingoBoingo: Well, it seems like he had the right idea
decimation: surgeons harm in order to heal too
decimation: they just have more finesse
mats: its pretty hopeless as far as carpal tunnel goes
undata: mats: was there some more specific strategy with the brick than "fuck this wrist..." ?
mats: didn't ask, was too busy laughing
BingoBoingo could imagine in the not too distant future people doomed to careers of data entry having surgery to radiacally rearrange the anatomy of their arms below the elbow.
undata: reminds me of my stepdad; he once nailgunned 3 fingers together, then calmly drove himself to the hospital and when asked what his "complaint" was, presented the hand with a grin
undata: BingoBoingo: hopefully we have some BCI thing by then
BingoBoingo: BCI?
undata: brain-computer interface
BingoBoingo: fuck that. We don't have computers I'd trust for an important half of that.
BingoBoingo: Quietly reading things it shouldn't be reading while leaving me unaware
undata: oh it brings up all kinds of terrifing scenarios
decimation: right now one must drill a hole in the skull and dress the would each week to prevent infection that could eat your brain
decimation: s/would/wound/
thestringpuller: mats: that's the most depressing story I've heard today :(
BingoBoingo: It's not the terrifying scenarios that worry, but the mundane ones.
mats: i talked to a surgeon a few years ago (ive had CTS since 18) and i was told that 50% of people operated on don't experience any change, and of the remaining half that get positive results, half of them see only a mild reduction in pain and a good number (i can't remember) experience a recurrence in symptoms in their lifetime
undata: mats: I went on a recent keybinding rally mapping things to space as leader plus keys around the index and middle fingers
undata: helped a lot
decimation: mats: it's probably cheaper and safer for him to knock you out and perform a placebo surgery on you
decimation: I found mapping ctrl to caps lock helps alot for emacs pinkie
mats: i wasted 2 months talking at a computer (dragon) trying to make it do useful things
undata: I pervert emacs with evil mode and evil leader
thestringpuller: ewww emacs
thestringpuller: VIM 4 lyfe
undata: thestringpuller: I find the best vim to be emacs :D
decimation: mats: how did dragon work for you
mats: i shouldn't have tried coding in python
mats: at the end of 2 months i had gone through a stack of keyboards i bought at a flea market
thestringpuller: i've always wanted to write a sketch about two computer gangs who are as ruthless as bloods and crips. but they are the vim's and emacs'
mats: ... smashed em to bits in fits of rage
undata: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI
assbot: Using Python to Code by Voice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMvMBH )
mats: it was ok, i guess, i'm impatient is all
mats: it took six weeks to get the software somewhere usable
decimation: yeah I think coding with speech recognition would suck
decimation: it would probably be okay for dictating an email or whatever
mats: for basic things. i never really got it to work with code.
undata: decimation: the guy above came up with his own weird language for voice-coding
undata: I'd never use it, but seems great if you lack functional hands
decimation: yeah the logical option would be to make up words to stand for syntax stuff
decimation: actually, what about morse code?
thestringpuller: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nrfos9Rkx1o/U-zHi_J92JI/AAAAAAAADcQ/ECcMY7t9SRg/s1600/Screen%2BShot%2B2014-08-09%2Bat%2B7.08.30%2BPM.png << i love how many scams are in this list
decimation: it's not as dumb as it sounds. one can buy a 'keyer' that will automatically make series of dots, dashes and combinations of dot/dashes
thestringpuller: Financial Services "BitFunder"
thestringpuller: https://bitfunder.com/ << d00d the site is still live?
thestringpuller: ~_~
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 10000 @ 0.0012 = 12 BTC
mats: when i was in pre-air assault training i did a 12mi ruck to train up for the big one
mats: the night before i eat a monster dinner with like half a pound of pasta, because carbs are energy amirite
mats: anyway, its 30 pounds of gear with 8-9 pounds of rubber ducky, helmet, and vest with empty mags and water
mats: i'm in godly shape cause i've been working hard to try and qualify for this badass school
mats: i'm way ahead of most of the group by mile 8
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4000 @ 0.0012 = 4.8 BTC
mats: and for about 30 mins i've been wanting to shit my fucking brains out, because pasta
mats: i'm about to ascend a hill, still got a good lead, so i decide to roll down the side of a berm
mats: like a ninja
mats: and i drop my trousers and assplode everywhere. i get it on my gear, no way around it
decimation: lol
mats: i try to clean up with pine needles and brush and shit but it doesn't really work, and i didn't pack baby wipes
decimation: sock?
mats: i do ma bestest, pull up my big boy pants and basically sprint the rest of the way there
mats: afterwards, we're in formation and all the dudes in the group have made it, and people are making fart jokes as usual
mats: eventually the dude behind me realizes it was me and calls me out
mats: i... lol bc wtf are you going to do?
mats: the nco running the thing gets in front, starts talking, etc, and stops in front of me and starts bitching at me about putting my shit away
mats: he says it a buncha times and i'm confused bc how am i going to clean up before we get back to the barracks?
mats: he gestures, i look down, and realize my dong is hanging loose
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BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
decimation: lol that's hilarious
undata: that was not nearly enough bash
decimation: actually that's good training for 'the real thing': http://www.isegoria.net/2014/12/parasympathetic-backlash/
assbot: Parasympathetic Backlash « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMxh2T )
assbot: Last 26 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2WF61CF.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 26 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: Fine moar bash
decimation: " In combat this very often results in nonessential activities such as digestion, bladder control, and sphincter control being completely shut down. This process is so intense that soldiers very often suffer stress diarrhea, and it is not at all uncommon for them to urinate and defecate in their pants as the body literally “blows its ballast” in an attempt to provide all the energy resources required to ensure its survival."
mats: i ended up ruining a knee a few weeks later
mats: too much running with gear on, apparently thats not good for your joints
mats: you gotta finish the 12mi in under 3 hours
mats: almost broke my back too, shit and pissed blood at one point
mats: but i got to fast rope off a UH-60 so that was cool i guess
decimation: !up qntranet
qntranet: 33
BingoBoingo: Hello anything you can recieve assistance with?
thestringpuller: 34?
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: slow news weekend eh?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: working on a piece
thestringpuller: suhweet
thestringpuller: qntra needs more addicts and regulars based on quantcast lol
decimation: !up kuzetsa
thestringpuller: I'm watchin Hulu, and the commercial playing during this show is a Bank of America partnering with Khan Academy ad, about budgeting money. And it's like "Really?"
BingoBoingo: scoopbor -fetch
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
thestringpuller: he not here
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/preet-bharara-keep-politics-out-of-ulbricht-defense/
assbot: Preet Bharara: Keep Politics Out of Ulbricht Defense | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AW9SeN )
asciilifeform: carpal tunnel brick << in russian work camps, inmates found many creative ways to self-mutilate in effort to avoid work
asciilifeform: (piece of dynamite in boot, in glove; etc)
asciilifeform: that was how i read this thread at first glance.
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 335321 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 1350 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 11 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36188326324.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -8.2857
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4167 @ 0.0012 = 5.0004 BTC
fluffypony: incredible photo of a cop beating a black man in New York: http://i.imgur.com/H3NPEbi.jpg ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wUzvgG )
cazalla: fluffypony, looks like black man has cops queen so no, it's a black man beating a cop
fluffypony: hah hah
cazalla: pretty racist to suggest black man is losing simply because black
fluffypony: cop sacrificed his queen to put his opponent in a vulnerable positio
cazalla: black man has 14 pieces left, i think not
cazalla: really needs to be renamed black man execute cops but we've had one of them past few days
cazalla: or mebe cop really will beat him up after check mate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00066494 = 8.2453 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: hahaha
BingoBoingo: That cop doesn't have much time left at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00066494 = 6.4167 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: cazalla: is awake!
thestringpuller: lolol
cazalla: barely!
thestringpuller: it's not that late there
thestringpuller: what like 5pm?
thestringpuller: 6?
cazalla: almost 6pm, just teething kid wears you down
thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pzzcl/demand_tomorrow_that_each_news_site_state/ << lol "Claims to NOT be owned by GAW Miners"
cazalla: i know eh, it was amusing to see qntra name there
thestringpuller: can't you put whiskey on the kids gums to prevent him from crying due to teething
BingoBoingo: Come on, don't get the kid started too early
thestringpuller: !b2
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thestringpuller: !b 3 ✂︎
thestringpuller: GRR
thestringpuller: http://challengepost.com/software/zero-click-bitcoin-micropayments << lol
cazalla: thestringpuller, i'm not willing to share my booze
thestringpuller: not even with your son?
thestringpuller: lolol
fluffypony: thestringpuller: what's lol about that? reasonable use of an unused HTTP code, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with the plugin they've developed ☟︎
cazalla: thestringpuller, when he's 18, legal age here, not 21 like the states, we start em young enough here as it is
thestringpuller: fluffypony: Why not just implement as part of a paywall? I dunno it seems...unnecessary?
fluffypony: it is part of the paywall
fluffypony: the page showing the payment screen contains a 402 header in addition to the page
fluffypony: and the Chrome plugin traps that header and makes the payment
thestringpuller: I guess the plugin seems unnecessary.
thestringpuller: I guess depends on what wallet you attach it to for "automated payment".
thestringpuller: People get annoyed enough as is with the whole auto-payment stuff that happens with itunes "da autorenewal".
fluffypony: sure
thestringpuller: 402 with bitcoin address that resolves to 200 once payment is paid is neat as part of paywall.
BingoBoingo: !up antonosika__
antonosika__: I hope bitcoin-assets are doing nicely.
antonosika__: Is there a short summary of what has happend the last few months?
antonosika__: People losing interest over the bitcoin price?
antonosika__: gettrust mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu is on vacation things haven't been going too poorly
antonosika__: great to hear.
antonosika__: I got a new setup so I'm fixing my auth. Thx for up:ing me
BingoBoingo: Cool
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu antonosika__
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user antonosika__: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=antonosika__ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika__ | Rated since: never
cazalla: to get in that xmas spirit, be sure to watch the family favourite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXw57HrQ250
assbot: Ruldolph the five legged reindeer part 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1rc8Efr )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5269 @ 0.00066494 = 3.5036 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !up antonosika__
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1540 @ 0.0012 = 1.848 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.1141 = 1.141 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00066494 = 3.8234 BTC [+]
punkman: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2858032/lenovo-recalls-more-than-500000-power-cords-due-to-spark-burn-risk.html
assbot: Lenovo recalls more than 500,000 power cords due to spark, burn risk | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBtGVJ )
punkman: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/12/icann-e-mail-accounts-zone-database-breached-in-spearphishing-attack/
assbot: ICANN e-mail accounts, zone database breached in spearphishing attack | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBtNRa )
punkman: http://m.bbc.com/news/business-30555620
assbot: Whistleblower reveals how fraud of Booking.com worked - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBtXrC )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
cazalla: fkn lol http://i.imgur.com/s7ZgLgB.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/13viEFM )
fluffypony: they don't look very indigenou
fluffypony: *indigenous
undata: the picture demonstrates how happy the white people are for the indigenous
fluffypony: ah got it
punkman: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-22/captive-orangutan-has-human-right-to-freedom/5983440
assbot: Captive orangutan Sandra has human right to freedom, Argentine court rules - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/13vjqTj )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00066528 = 8.8482 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00066716 = 42.0978 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 10105 @ 0.0012 = 12.126 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00067436 = 8.9353 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00066494 = 13.1658 BTC [-]
davout: "Luke-Jr has left IRC (Excess Flood)" <<< the irony
fluffypony: someone should change the default ircd builds on gentoo to include a spam filter
mircea_popescu: !up jasonjuta
mircea_popescu: hey there j.
mircea_popescu: and hello all!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo loved the article btw.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thank you.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I left an easter egg in the article for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: jurov any chance reddit will get DERPified? << mebbe, i'dhave to look into it. if it does it won't be this year.
Adlai: how about "F.NAST", evoking both the corporate relative, and the place's general smell
mircea_popescu: i think nast sold.
mircea_popescu: currently owned by some fraud vehicle basically.
thestringpuller: oh lok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4100 @ 0.0012 = 4.92 BTC
mircea_popescu: Adlai if anything it'd be s.advc or something. except they're insulated iirc, so...
Adlai: advc?
mircea_popescu: speaking of corporations without official headquarters.
Adlai: and why would it be an S?
mircea_popescu: Advance Publications, teh newhouse family thing.
Adlai: ah
mircea_popescu: all derps are s.
Adlai: er aren't they D?
Adlai: we both derped
mircea_popescu: lol myeah
mircea_popescu: oops :p
Adlai: the fuckup fairy loves a threesome
Adlai keeps reading http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/crowdsourcing-scam
assbot: The Crowdsourcing Scam - The Baffler ... ( http://bit.ly/1wegiBz )
thestringpuller: oh its a mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: hey tsp
fluffypony: pircea_momescu
thestringpuller: dunno if reddit will ever be profitable long term. it's like borderline derp
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com pircea mopescu
gribble: Cutremur in Costa Rica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/cutremur-in-costa-rica>
mircea_popescu: NOT NEW!
Adlai: reddit will be rather profitable if they can increase by an order of magnitude the number of casual bitcoin dabblers, while watching their every breath, move, bond, and step
mircea_popescu: unlikely.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that the spanish empire could be quite profitable if "it increases" the number of jews inhabiting it. for one thing, it's not the empire increasing it, for the other, they'll fuck it up
mircea_popescu: because they don't have the mind in the right place.
Adlai: they wouldn't be making money off the amount of wealth transfered, though. they'd be making money per successful ad targeting.
thestringpuller: Adlai: their ad system is terrible.
mircea_popescu: lolk,.
mircea_popescu: they'd make money selling leavened bread to moses ?
mircea_popescu: this plan that could possibly go wrong.jpg
thestringpuller: why do that when you can just get mana from God?
Adlai: s/will/could potentially, should they properly leverage their position etcetcblabla/
mircea_popescu: these theoretical potentials, you know ? men could breastfeed if they leveraged their boobs.
thestringpuller: uh?
mircea_popescu: pigs could fly if only they batted their ears fast enough!
thestringpuller: ^- i think you mean elephants
mircea_popescu: elephants are too heavy :D
thestringpuller: it's funny how reddit consistently can't pay bills due to more users using it...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22128 @ 0.00066494 = 14.7138 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: "We are a victim of our own success"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You just don't know how the world works!!!
Adlai: dunno. seems to me like they're just trying to get their edge in the graph-coloring race, in whatever way seems opportune right now. not saying anything about the likelihood of any individual participant to come out ahead, but there is a race and somebody will be winning it.
thestringpuller: graph coloring race? aren't coloring books for toddlers?
mircea_popescu: im with adlai.
mircea_popescu: they're trying to be the biggest pony express company this side of the railroad, because such is the way things go.
Adlai: "coloring" is probably the wrong word for this: turning the bitcoin transaction/address graph into a bitcoin transaction/[corporate]person graph
mircea_popescu: a, not what i thought you meant.
Adlai: what do you mean by pony express?
mircea_popescu: what i thought you meant was : 1. people will make up numbers, irrespective of any reality, because it's what people do ; 2. those numbers will be put on an arbitrary graph ; 3. there will be a race to pretend meaning out of this meaningless combo. which race we call "painting the graph"
mircea_popescu: sort-of like obama sitting in front of a line angled from the bottom left to the upper right, for no particular reason, that "represents" the "people", neither quoted symbols meaningful to any degree.
Adlai: that race is only worth watching if there are some real captains of industry bidding on the fastest horse
mircea_popescu: or just like a ceo stands in front of the same holy line, supposedly his performance somewhere in therer.
Adlai: meanwhile it'll be fun to see how they conjure up an insecure security
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, they wish to be the biggest provider of obsolete nonsense to the new world of novel nonsense.
Adlai: well they're already the frontpage of nonsense :)
mircea_popescu: so is timecube.
mircea_popescu: nonsense has this blessed ability to carry an infinite number of front pages.
BingoBoingo: Oh, a quality control meme https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5dFR_dCcAASG4r.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1weiMjv )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I thought that one of the timecube's essential points.
thestringpuller: ;;ud timecube
mircea_popescu: holy shit the chinese actually understand why chinese women are ugly ?!
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=timecube | Referring to timecube.com. Used to describe someone or something that is so stupid it tears at the very fabric of reality.
Adlai: what's the financial incentive to paint these graphs? somebody must be subsidizing for companies to compete over it, even if it's just inadvertent subsidizing by clueless VC bagholders
mircea_popescu head blown
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's much simpler than that. confine three people in a space, notice they will talk. the stuff they talk about is unimportant, to them and everyone else.
mircea_popescu: this same fundmental process is at work in "business".
Adlai: ok, true. how about: "the steve pavlinas of the world"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26642 @ 0.00067461 = 17.973 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that name seems familiar but wtf is it
Adlai: you read enough of his nonsense and you'll find a bit of sense, but the SNR is woefully low
mircea_popescu: o the weirdo guru/ex convict nut.
Adlai: http://www.stevepavlina.com/
assbot: Personal Development for Smart People - Steve Pavlina ... ( http://bit.ly/1weja1u )
mircea_popescu: is this the guy that's married to the beached whale spiritualist ?
mircea_popescu: erika or something
mircea_popescu: http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2010/11/our-separation-one-year-later/
assbot: Erin Pavlina ... ( http://bit.ly/1wejduh )
mircea_popescu: not no more lol
thestringpuller: lol my work says that's a malcious url
thestringpuller: LOL
thestringpuller: stevepavlina.com that i
thestringpuller: s
mircea_popescu: meh, malicious. kinda dumb, but then again...
Adlai: things seemed to have gone downhill after the original reason that i'm familiar with this guy: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/
assbot: Polyphasic Sleep ... ( http://bit.ly/1wejmOn )
mircea_popescu: all you weirdos fucking with your sleep i swear... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: why! just let it be omg.
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BingoBoingo: !b 4 ✂︎
Adlai: this is the only instance i've found of somebody claiming to pull this off properly, and then return to "normal" just for convenience
mircea_popescu: if normalcy is convenient then wtf was he doing anyway
mircea_popescu: "Erin Pavlina is a highly gifted intuitive counselor who connects with your spirit guides to provide you information and insights that will help you on your path. "
mircea_popescu: holy shit, she should hire herself.
Adlai: look at their domains. they get divorced and cut the house in half?
mircea_popescu: i knew a number of chicks that got divorced while owning a one room apartment with hubby, so put a curtain down the middle.
mircea_popescu: imagine, sharing the tiny ass bathroom with your ex
BingoBoingo: Imagine if the only room was the bathroon!
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient tradition among german tribes transplanted in transylvania, that a couple may only divorce after having spent a day in a tiny hut with a single plate, spoon, stool etc.
Adlai: how about a couple may only get married after spending two weeks in that hut
mircea_popescu: no because they'll fuck in any case after which the guy won't marry.
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BingoBoingo: !b 6 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: So how is this vacation going? Still growing tits?
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: bathing in black forest atm
mircea_popescu: (it's a kind of cake)
BingoBoingo: Ah, we have that here. Or at least a fascimile of it. Hard to tell here.
mircea_popescu: im having my own version tho. no whipped cream. all home made.
BingoBoingo: Nice
mircea_popescu: homemade cakes are one of those religious experiences that put the innocent at risk of fundamentally altering their life. a steak gets ruined through the industrial process, of course, but somehow not quite to the degree
mircea_popescu: cakes made by machines however... they're not really cakes.
mircea_popescu: just the margerine alone. it's like instead of exanguinating the beast, you'd replace its blood with brake fluid, then butcher it.
mircea_popescu: imagine, brake fluid steak!
BingoBoingo: OMG Great idea, but instead of brake fluid... Wine transfusion for the cow before steaking it.
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious why that never happened.
mircea_popescu: a good six gallons of middling burgundy should do the trick.
BingoBoingo: I really dunno.
mircea_popescu: i guess if we ever make the bitcoin ranch it's getting tried.
BingoBoingo: I mean alternately instead of beering up the cows like the Japanese do, it might be worth raising some seriously alcoholic cows.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 993 @ 0.0012 = 1.1916 BTC
mircea_popescu: nah
BingoBoingo: The offal might have to go to some food recyclers, but ptobably get hella marbling in the meat.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't work, herbivores get liver damage then the meat gets poisoned with fifty thousand different byproducts of a broken liver.
BingoBoingo: Ah
Adlai: stem cells!
mircea_popescu: the main reason herbivore meat is so good (and we don't eat cat) is that its liver is so big and its diet so simple that the meat becomes very narrow, chemically
Adlai: graphene filters!
Adlai: cmon people, we can figure this one out
mircea_popescu: burn the withc.
Naphex: o/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28932 @ 0.00066445 = 19.2239 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: heya Naphex
Naphex: hey hey
davout: Naphex: hello
davout: how's the btcxchange.ro thing going?
Naphex: dunno
Naphex: seems still up
davout: im kinda curious as to why messages from seemingly you and your associate are still up on the frontpage
Naphex: no idea, that guy went full retard and just wrote shit on the news page
Naphex: i'm waiting to be cited to give any explinations, not talking to that shithead otherwise:p
davout: and he left the item about users being advised to empty their accounts?
Naphex: he mostly did everything, i just quit and fucked off when he started rageing
Naphex: including all the shitty announces
Naphex: "Oh woes, i do not have control on the servers, i have to manually check each transaction"
Naphex: you gotta figure what happened after he posted that
Naphex: every dude on the internet started sending him a screenshot
Naphex: so i wish him good luck
davout: lol
davout: "please prove your balance"
Naphex: yep
davout: "sure, have a screenshot"
davout: derp
Naphex: the servers only send to any queue with user confirmation (email, otp, password
Naphex: so btc all works fine
Naphex: but he decided to fuck with anyone with some fiat to withdraw
mircea_popescu: if only they had gpg
davout: mircea_popescu: what took you so long
davout: :D
mircea_popescu: i'm writing :)
jurov: lmaoooo there's phrack gentoo ebuild? and last two editions are marked unstable?
davout: jurov: building a magazine?
jurov: let's see what emerge phrack does...
thestringpuller: "gpg users unaffected" very similar to "bitcoin user unaffected"
jurov: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533314 feel free to have fun here
assbot: Bug 533314 – please stabilize app-doc/phrack , app-doc/phrack-all ... ( http://bit.ly/1x3qH72 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 893 @ 0.0012 = 1.0716 BTC {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22371 @ 0.00066408 = 14.8561 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1610 @ 0.00066276 = 1.067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00067249 = 11.2978 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17666 @ 0.00067287 = 11.8869 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2327 @ 0.0012 = 2.7924 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1036 @ 0.0012 = 1.2432 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1357 @ 0.0012 = 1.6284 BTC
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/belarus-experiences-bonanzacurrency-panic/
assbot: Belarus Experiences Bonanza/Currency Panic | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1weFEzm )
BingoBoingo: !up huseby
jurov: soo.. phrack ebuild created a buch of files like /usr/share/doc/phrack/p66_0x01_Introduction.txt.bz2
davout: txt.bz2 because your disk space totally is the limiting factor
jurov: would be way cooler if it compiled code samples,too :D
TomServo: BingoBoingo: The "show trials" link on the most recent bahahahra/ulbricht article has an errant http:// suffix.
TomServo: Also, nice article.
BingoBoingo: Thanks, will fix
danielpbarron: jurov, did you get my later tell?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19940 @ 0.00066691 = 13.2982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29071 @ 0.00065472 = 19.0334 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47249 @ 0.00064925 = 30.6764 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do a coupla bux' paypal payment for me ?
danielpbarron: i do
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 331.63, Best ask: 332.18, Bid-ask spread: 0.55000, Last trade: 332.2, 24 hour volume: 12015.61092957, 24 hour low: 319.9, 24 hour high: 333.95, 24 hour vwap: 326.796030377
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.0006423 = 23.8293 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: laters terrorists!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 230 @ 0.00464996 = 1.0695 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: so, lisp brick is real after all; http://shrani.si/f/11/n7/247iggSx/lisp-brick.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1weRQjx )
kakobrekla: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/884592321/glorious-leader
assbot: Glorious Leader! by Moneyhorse — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/16JSAsk )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1667 @ 0.0012 = 2.0004 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1938 @ 0.0012 = 2.3256 BTC
jurov: danielpbarron i got it but there were several other issues
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00064952 = 30.9172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00066126 = 13.4897 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2850 @ 0.0012 = 3.42 BTC
grubles: can anyone tell me whats wrong with this: http://web.archive.org/web/20121015125121/http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=S.BVPS
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zq6Zpr )
mike_c: it doesn't have enough css?
grubles: close, but no cigar
mike_c: hm.. no ads?
mike_c: I give up. what's wrong with it?
grubles: ill give you a hint, theres only 2 gpg signatures.
mike_c: so, you didn't sign it?
mike_c: ;;ident grubles
gribble: Nick 'grubles', with hostmask 'grubles!~dan@unaffiliated/grubles', is identified as user 'grubles', with GPG key id 31040DE39974C0B2, key fingerprint D191CE495914F681F7CA94EB31040DE39974C0B2, and bitcoin address 17YADanYc9pCZZrLA4fH7qcDmrDtMXscEz
grubles: correct
grubles: my current key is not the same one btw
grubles: anyway, just food for thought if anyone in here is considering working with mpoe or mircea_popescu
grubles: he clearly doesnt follow his own rules
mike_c: well, but what's the problem? Clearly you didn't sign it.
grubles: and yet it was still a valid contract, for some reason.
mike_c: or at least, i'm taking your word since i didn't check the two signatures to see if one of them was yours.
grubles: "Should BitVPS fail to execute this Agreement, as for instance by but not limited to breaching 2.2.e above, MPEX will notify the named individuals of their breach and may, at its sole discretion, suspend BitVPS from trading thus activating the liquidation of BitVPS. "
grubles: interesting considering it shouldnt have been executed in the first place
TomServo: grubles: what's with the timing? A year after delisting?
grubles: ive brought it up before, you probably werent around.
TomServo: I'm asking: why are you bringing it up now?
grubles: well hopefully im keeping people in here from giving mp money.
grubles: timing? no particular reason.
TomServo: K, just curious - seems like ancient news.
grubles: a couple people and i were discussing rg and bitvps
mike_c: what's the specific beef? you don't think it should have been listed or delisted?
kakobrekla: want more fun? find the sig: http://web.archive.org/web/20121213082144/http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=S.MPOE
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zq9ckQ )
grubles: shouldnt have. because both of them went behind my back to list bitvps on mpoe.
grubles: if the web archive link isnt evidence enough
grubles: anyway. like i said: food for thought.
Anduck: LOL
Anduck: mirany comments?
Anduck: ohh mp is not around
danielpbarron doesn't understand what the drama is
Anduck: apparently a company being listed at mpex without owners of the company agreeing on listing it
Anduck: so, a company listed without permission
danielpbarron: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=D.BPAY << like this?
TomServo: !up jborkl
jborkl: Merry xmas
Anduck: nope- read the bitvps agreement
jborkl: Or w/e you do wherever you are
TomServo: http://trilema.com/2013/sbvps-delisting-notice/
assbot: S.BVPS delisting notice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqaJHH )
Anduck: S.BVPS was listed on MPEx on April the 12th, 2012, under the ownership signature of rg, then as of now one of the best trusted WoT members. It began trading on the 15th that same month, with a total market capitalisation of about 3`000 BTC.
Anduck: this is the thing ^
Anduck: it _shouldnt ever been listed_ since it was never agreed on
danielpbarron: well the signature(s) on that page are not formatted correctly, or at least I can't figure out how to validate them
Anduck: then l2gpg
Anduck: :I
kakobrekla: i think one header is missing there
Anduck: anyway it's missing a really important one, owner of bitvps'
mike_c: well, it was agreed on by rg
Anduck: rg didnt own bitvps
kakobrekla: so its rgs idiocy
Anduck: or mirceas? =)
mike_c: "WHEREAS, the aforenamed James "rg" Edward was delegated to represent the Board of Directors of BitVPS" << you're saying this is untrue?
kakobrekla: Anduck were you around at the time?
Anduck: ...to mention people, say in the contract that the signatures will make it valid, then there's 1 signature missing, they still let it on the exchange and it's being traded.
Anduck: kakobrekla: since 2011
Anduck: it's irrelevant anyway
kakobrekla: well its not, if i do a runner now, is it mps fault too ?
Anduck: apparently it is.
kakobrekla: cool
kakobrekla goes.
mike_c: it shouldn't have mentioned grubles' key if he wasn't going to sign it. but the contract says rg was talking for the board, so his was the only "required" signature.
Anduck: i only read what you said after a comma
Anduck: kakobrekla: ^
Anduck: mike_c: no, both were required
mike_c: "WHEREAS, the aforenamed James "rg" Edward was delegated to represent the Board of Directors of BitVPS"
Anduck: when rg didnt own bitvps?
Anduck: LOL
mike_c: you don't have to get signatures from every person involved with a company to execute a contract with that company.
Anduck: delegated by the contract that wasn't signed by bitvps real owner?
Anduck: indeed mik
Anduck: just read the contract now
Anduck: it's funny
Anduck: funny how mircea_popescu let this happen
Anduck: i'm not surprised. i still remember the "you sent 10btc late to bitbet, now it's ours because faq says it's ours now" ☟︎
kakobrekla: well no
kakobrekla: its ours cause the private key says so.
mike_c: omg, ok, i just lost all interest in this conversation.
Anduck: kakobrekla: LOL
Anduck: can coinbase now declare all the people-deposit bitcoins as theirs because they own the private keys?
Anduck: that's FUCKING LAME, kakobrekla!
kakobrekla: ?!
Anduck: can't beieve bitbet is now at this level :D
Anduck: lol
kakobrekla: idk if you know how the bitcoin works.
Anduck: i know what's stealing at least
kakobrekla: good for you
Anduck: ;;rated kakobrekla
gribble: You rated user kakobrekla on Mon Aug 27 14:22:51 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: bought bitcoinmax-account from him, smooth and nice.
kakobrekla: hehe
Anduck: ;;rate kakobrekla -5 about the "bitbet 10btc stealing"-case, "kakobrekla| its ours cause the private key says so."
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to -5.
kakobrekla: lol
Anduck: :(
jborkl: Bitcoinmax was btcst? I remember gpumax
Anduck: yes it was btcst stuffs
kakobrekla: after it got defunct ftr.
kakobrekla: hehe
Anduck: yup
jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week
jborkl: I can't remember
Anduck: yes
kakobrekla: ;;rated Anduck
Anduck: 7% per week
gribble: You rated user Anduck on Mon Aug 27 14:21:13 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: easy transaction.
Anduck: kakobrekla: do a counter-rating HEH
kakobrekla: ;;rated Anduck -5 idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works.
gribble: (rated <nick>) -- Get the details about the rating you gave to <nick>, if any.
kakobrekla: ;;rate Anduck -5 idiot. does not understand how bitcoin works.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Anduck has changed from 1 to -5.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00067586 = 13.8889 BTC [+] {2}
Anduck: thanks for fullfilling my request HEH xD
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust assbot Anduck
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012
kakobrekla: this needs to be fixed also.
Anduck: which?
jurov: grubles how should mircea know rg is acting in bad faith? did you raise your voice then?
Anduck: he left already
jurov: and what about later listing on btctct, was that okay?
Anduck: to mmy knowledge they all knew what they were doing
danielpbarron will wait to see if there is a valid signature block before passing judgement
Anduck: rg and mircea knew they were going against grubles
Anduck: but because, you know, if you have money you can make your own rules.. you can bend them too..
Anduck: this is what this is as i see it.
jurov: but then the mess is going on, because Namworld bought most of the shares
jurov: and took over with arij and whatwas his name
Anduck: just like the stealing of 10 btc by bitbet.. owners of bitbet now claim "we own the private key that corresponds to the public key the money was stent, therefore money is now ours" if i understood kakos sentence correctly
Anduck: jurov: i don't know about that.
Anduck: i only know that bitvps was listed against bitvps owners will to mp
Anduck: ex
kakobrekla: Anduck by your idiotic definition of stealing, bitbet 'stole' way more than 10 btc.
Anduck: i wouldn't be amazed.
jurov: ic, nobody knows anything, they just occassionally come to chan, stir shit up and leave
Anduck: jurov: that is not relevant to this case :)
jborkl: Anduck, what prompted this? Is there something prompting this
kakobrekla: its all in public monthly records Anduck.
cazalla: <Anduck> i'm not surprised. i still remember the "you sent 10btc late to bitbet, now it's ours because faq says it's ours now" <<< fuck angle shooters, they deserve what they get
Anduck: jborkl: you can ask grubles about the details of this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00067061 = 4.0237 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: jurov vote with your wot, what can i say.
Anduck: jborkl: he most likely can give you more accurate answers than i can. i don't know about this case
Anduck: i see only what i see
Anduck: and i see a contract that wasn't signed completely and still was accepted by mircea popescu to be listed on mpex
jurov: i just few days ago asked arij why he does not advertise bitvps on this chan openly
Anduck: cazalla: well, it's still stealing even if they deserve it
cazalla: Anduck, right because theft is when someone willingly sends you something
jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property" ☟︎
assbot: ROTA, post mortem. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqeYD5 )
cazalla: one can imagine all the wasted time refunding angle shooters if such a policy wasn't in place
Anduck: jurov: that is about mpex. this what i am talking about isn't about mpex. it's about bitbet.us
jurov: same philosophy
Anduck: could coinbase now just take all the bitcoins and leave?
Anduck: stating that they own the private keys so they own the bitcoins
Anduck: and it would be perfectly fine and legal?
Anduck: people sent the bitcoins there at their own will, nobody forced them to
cazalla: well, don't they already do that when cancelling orders not in their favour
jurov: coinbase 1) does not have such provision in their terms of service
cazalla: not really the same thing anyway
Anduck: jurov: does bitbet?
jurov: 2) is not placed in jurosdiction that allows for it
Anduck: romanian laws don't allow stealing
Anduck: EUROPEAN laws don't allow stealing
Anduck: heh
jurov: http://bitbet.us/faq/#150 << bitbet does
assbot: FAQ BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqfIb7 )
Anduck: when did FAQ become "terms of service"?
jurov: apparently in serenissima jurisdiction it does
cazalla: Anduck, what would be your solution?
kakobrekla: Anduck bitcoin is not a credit card, you dont 'pull' stuff from it, you 'push'. if someone pushes 100$ bill in your postbox, did you steal from him?
Anduck: kakobrekla: can coinbase just flee away with the user-deposited funds because they own the private keys?
kakobrekla: well, they indeed can.
Anduck: cazalla: i'd be sane and refund it
cazalla: Anduck, imagine worst thing that could happen is that my bet is refunded in full.. well, why not bet on every known outcome and see if some slip past the goalie
Anduck: kakobrekla: do you think it would be good way to do it?
kakobrekla: to do what?
danielpbarron: refunding it would set a bad precedence
Anduck: cazalla: indeed - make the refund automatic then
kakobrekla: and refund costs you 5$
kakobrekla: and someone pushes 1000000 1 dollar bills
kakobrekla: go fuck yourself.
Anduck: heh
Anduck: you don't apparently want to understand what i am saying.
Anduck: but itä's fine, it's as i expected
kakobrekla: no, you dont understand how btc works.
danielpbarron: when is bitbet going to start accepting redditnote?
Anduck: heh
Anduck: sure, whatever.
kakobrekla: now shoo, go be stupid in some other chan.
Anduck: grow up?
Anduck: heh. don't worry, no need to really
kakobrekla: yes you should also do that.
Anduck: yep.. probably :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 7025 @ 0.0012 = 8.43 BTC {2}
undata: BingoBoingo: I enjoyed your recent article on the DPR case
kakobrekla: too bad he didnt have another surname starting with letter K
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1700 @ 0.0012 = 2.04 BTC
kakobrekla: !up Elio19
Elio19: Hi
kakobrekla: hi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23844 @ 0.00064761 = 15.4416 BTC [-]
Elio19: Thanks for the voice, but honestly i think the chan was better off before. The reason is: It's nearly Christmas. And, im grinch.
kakobrekla: it only lasts for 30 min.
Elio19: heh
Anduck: danielpbarron: verified that the contract needs grubles signature to be valid and the said signature is missing?
danielpbarron: how can you verify a negative?
danielpbarron: anyone can produce a doctored gpg contract and say it wasn't signed right
Anduck: this one was published at mpex. are you saying mpex has edited it after signing?
danielpbarron: does it matter where the invalid signature is found?
kakobrekla: not only bitcoin, he doesnt understand how the internets works.
Anduck: just answer me and do do ad hominem shit
Anduck: don't
Anduck: don't do* :)
kakobrekla: im not your personal google
Anduck: indeed.
danielpbarron: i think html and gpg don't always mix well
danielpbarron: and this clearsigning of clearsigned stuff can get a bit complicated
Anduck: yup
Anduck: danielpbarron: well, let me know when you've parsed it so you can verify that the signature isn't there, making the contract not valid ☟︎
kakobrekla: lulz
danielpbarron: i can't verify that such a signature doesn't exist
danielpbarron: i can only verify that it does exist
kakobrekla: seems like lukejr type of braindamage where the hw has issues, not only sw.
Anduck: kakobrekla: do you have something you want to tell me about this or why do you keep talking/shouting to me?
Anduck: i don't get it :)
Anduck: if you have nothing to contribute, you don't need to type anything here... k?
kakobrekla: well i believe that you dont get it.
Anduck: that may very well be so, could i just not discuss this matter with danielpbarron in peace without your childish interruptions?
kakobrekla: we are playing with you like a retarded kitty before you run off to get hit by a car.
Anduck: danielpbarron: well, i am not talking about "gpg verifying", i am talking about verifying.
danielpbarron: "gpg verifying" is the only verifying
Anduck: well, can you _check_ that the said signature isn't there?
danielpbarron slaps Anduck around a bit with a large repetition
Anduck: if you can't do that, can you verify the signature and sign the verification to me.
kakobrekla: no dont ad hominem him danielpbarron
kakobrekla: lul
Anduck: danielpbarron: if you fail to do that signing and verification, it is evidence of that the said signature -does not exist-
Anduck: which means that mircea popescu is a con man
Anduck: prove me wrong, danielpbarron
mike_c: <+Anduck> if you have nothing to contribute, you don't need to type anything here... k? << have you been in this channel before? ☟︎
danielpbarron: Anduck, you are saying such nonsense right now i'm at a loss for words
Anduck: pls no derailing this time
Anduck: danielpbarron: ok. what part is unclear?
danielpbarron: oh, it's clear
danielpbarron: you clearly don't understand gpg
Anduck: alright
kakobrekla: or internets
danielpbarron: or life apparently
kakobrekla: or bitcoin.
Anduck: so you're unable to verify the grubles' signature and sign this verification for me?
Anduck: i see.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4150 @ 0.0012 = 4.98 BTC
Anduck: i agree on you both: i don't understand gpg, life or bitcoin. let's be done with that ok?
kakobrekla: well wtf are you talking then for ?
danielpbarron: it is impossible to prove the absence of X, whether it be gpg signatures, or God
Anduck: now let's discuss whether grubles signature (which would be needed to make the contract discussed earlier, valid) is not in place
Anduck: danielpbarron: alright.
Anduck: this means that the contract is not valid.
Anduck: there's no signature which would make it valid.
Anduck: right--?
danielpbarron: i may not have the signature, but me not having it does not prove that it cannot be had
kakobrekla: no, it just means you are incredibly retarded.
Anduck: even if someone had signed it and made it valid, it's not public, making it not valid for all of us. as shown by mpex
kakobrekla: (fuck this is too easy :()
danielpbarron: why should it be public now? isn't that all over?
Anduck: danielpbarron: well, mpex doesn't have it apparently. or if they do have, they hide it
danielpbarron: but whoever cares probably still has a copy of the contract somewhere
Anduck: it should be public to show that the contract is valid
Anduck: danielpbarron: the copy is at the mpex.
Anduck: :)
danielpbarron: "should be"
Anduck: and it's missing the signature.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4150 @ 0.0012 = 4.98 BTC
Anduck: grubles said he never signed it.
Anduck: _never signed it_.
danielpbarron: ok that's another thing
Anduck: mpex can't prove it was signed, either
danielpbarron: interesting to see how this plays out
danielpbarron: yes mpex can
Anduck: well, grubles says he did not sign it
danielpbarron: maybe it is signed and mp comes later and shows us
Anduck: if mpex can show the signature, it's all fine.
Anduck: but as long as they can't, it's not fine
Anduck: danielpbarron: indeed
Anduck: let's hope so
kakobrekla: lol
danielpbarron: and even if he doesn't, i'm not sure it would even matter
danielpbarron: since that company isn't listed anymore
Anduck: well, it would only make mpex corrupted
Anduck: danielpbarron: so what happened before at mpex isn't relevant?
danielpbarron: if nobody can find the signature, that still doesn't prove it never existed
kakobrekla: im getting ban requests here but srsly, wot - make it work.
Anduck: kakobrekla: who would you like to ban and what for?
Anduck: :)
danielpbarron: ;;rated Anduck
gribble: You rated user Anduck on Thu Aug 14 13:39:36 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: this http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/08/14#l1408037518 and this http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/07/23#l1406132751.
Anduck: it's funny how the defences work.
danielpbarron: should probably update that with this convo
Anduck: sorry i lied, it's not funny. it's sad
Anduck: danielpbarron: probably.
kakobrekla: Anduck you are too stupid to be here. ppl want you gone and are asking me to remove you with a +b which i will not do.
danielpbarron: ;;rate Anduck -3 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958897 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 23:16:46; Anduck: danielpbarron: well, let me know when you've parsed it so you can verify that the signature isn't there, making the contract not valid
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Anduck has changed from -2 to -3.
Anduck: kakobrekla: please elaborate
Anduck: :)
kakobrekla: !?
Anduck: "Anduck you are too stupid to be here."
kakobrekla: its plain english as far as i can tell
Anduck: fine, do not elaborate
Anduck: i just find it quite sad that an operator of this channel keeps on harrassing with "you're too stupid to be here" and "go fuck yourself" etc
kakobrekla hands out a tissue.
Anduck: heh
danielpbarron: i don't disagree with kakobrekla's assessment
Anduck: i know that.
danielpbarron: i'd like to see the WoT sort it out
Anduck: you can start with -10ing me
danielpbarron: that wouldn't do anything
kakobrekla: it doesnt work that way, but what would you know.
Anduck: indeed.
undata: can't decide if Anduck is worse than Luke-Jr
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust assbot Anduck
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012
punkman: ;;rate Anduck -1 for the purpose of #bitcoin-assets devoicing
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Anduck has been recorded.
kakobrekla: undata on stupid level he is worse but damage he is doing = 0
Anduck: damage against..?
kakobrekla: cept for spammin here
Anduck: who am i trying to make damage against?
kakobrekla: log integrity
undata: ;;rate Anduck -3 does not understand what zero means
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
Anduck: well, get me the signature of the contract
Anduck: _please do_
danielpbarron: patience is a virtue
Anduck: negbomb meanwhile XD
punkman: it's been what, 2 years since delisting?
Anduck: punkman: how is that even relevant?
punkman: how is your blabbing relevant now?
mike_c: ;;rate Anduck -1 spam-trolling. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958754 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 21:58:57; Anduck: i'm not surprised. i still remember the "you sent 10btc late to bitbet, now it's ours because faq says it's ours now"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Anduck has been recorded.
Anduck: punkman: answer me question.
Anduck: :)
punkman: well logs don't got back far enough, but I don't see grubles mentioning this ever before
Anduck: grubles has mentioned it when it happened.
Anduck: he has mentioned it after that
Anduck: and he has mentioned it today too
Anduck: but it's all irrelevant
Anduck: it's not about whether grubles mentioned it or not. it's about that the signature -is missing- from the contract
Anduck: grubles says he never signed it
Anduck: what does this tell you about mpex?
danielpbarron: so far it just tells me something about grubles
Anduck: it tells that i am trolling and should be devoiced immediately?
punkman: it tells me grubles is a young boi and can't business
Anduck: punkman: because he didn't sign a contract and the contract was still accepted as valid?
Anduck: that said contract needed his signature too, as stated in the contract
Anduck: makes him a kid when others break the rules?
danielpbarron: immediately is not two users going out of their way to gpg authenticate and issue a rating
undata: ;;rate Anduck -3 does not understand what zero means
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -3 for user Anduck has been recorded.
undata: heh, 3
Anduck: fine, whatever.
danielpbarron: well he's at -1 now; who will do the honors?
undata: I even fixed pinentry to do so.
Anduck: i guess it does lower my trust when i state out the facts.
undata: twas jacked due to gremlins
punkman: so, I'm curious, how many times did bitvps change hands?
asciilifeform: anyone else getting 'Error: Problem creating encrypted OTP file.' from gribble today ?
punkman: was it incorporated when rg and grubles owned it?
BingoBoingo: !up TheButterZone
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't authed since yesterday
danielpbarron: i authed today
kakobrekla: asciilifeform worked like half an hour ago.
asciilifeform: nm, fixed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00064761 = 1.4247 BTC [-]
Anduck: punkman: it was incorporated by grubles only.
Anduck: rg could've been part of it, though. i am still not aware of all the facts. the point still is that rg alone couldnt have signed the contract - even when the contract states grubles signature is also needed
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust assbot grubles
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask grubles!~dan@unaffiliated/grubles. Trust relationship from user assbot to user grubles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=grubles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=grubles | Rated since: Fri Jul 8 22:21:47 2011
danielpbarron: could be grubles is a liar
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66246.msg768428#msg768428
assbot: [REQUEST] Funding for BitVPS.COM ... ( http://bit.ly/1vhYeY8 )
punkman: anyway, contract says rg is representing bitvps, so his sig is good enough for my fuzzy parser
Anduck: no
Anduck: contract says both sigs are needed.
punkman: yes that's what your parser says, no need to repeat ad infinitum
Anduck: ..so how is one sig "good enough" when it says it needs both?
punkman: you ever run a company?
Anduck: don't derail - keep the logs clean :)
kakobrekla: ad brominem ho!
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0CB3TVJ.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2000 @ 0.0012 = 2.4 BTC