assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00050418 = 12.5289 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html
assbot: Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Elap )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/19/the-ultimate-status-symbol/ << mah new toy.
assbot: The ultimate status symbol. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9GtPG )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45746 @ 0.00050579 = 23.1379 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3854 @ 0.00051413 = 1.9815 BTC [+]
jurov: sooo... if i need to have fresh data for btc-dev, i'm supposed to query http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/<nick/fingerprint>
jurov: but how i'm getting them out ouf short keyid... pull it from keyserver, i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12000001 = 1.2 BTC [-]
jurov: good riddance
kakobrekla: you should search by fp on keyserver
jurov: just to be sure, may i consider http://w.b-a.link/trust/ api stable?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9J3F8 )
kakobrekla: idk
jurov: why idk?
kakobrekla: well its stable as in online but if you need something changed for example i would do it if its reasonable
jurov: no such need so far. what format is it?
kakobrekla: which ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell MetatronOne da
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: the trust output
jurov: [meta] => Array < this stuff
kakobrekla: in http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla and http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kakobrekla/json
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L6ZZ )
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9L704 )
kakobrekla: use json
kakobrekla: to parse
kakobrekla: second link
jurov: ahh yes
mircea_popescu: <jurov> also i must confess, it uses only short key ids internally << this should be fixed, and rly shouldn't be to hard to.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> oh hey that's neat kakobrekla << werd.
jurov: !ident jurov
jurov: ^ would be good to have
kakobrekla: there is no session
mircea_popescu: <assbot> its hard work, i hardly get any sleep << sleep is for pussy!
jurov: we are assuming that whoever has voice is properly identified?
jurov: quite a shaky assumption
kakobrekla: idk who is assuming that
mircea_popescu: ahh its so great to be back in the irc seat.
jurov: so no assumptions and ask the counterparty directly for proper signature. i see
kakobrekla: if its signature worthy you ask for signature
mircea_popescu: jurov it's counterintuitive, but the session thing is not actually increasing security.
jurov: i agree, but since it's sop since -otc, needs to be said explicitly
mircea_popescu: yeh. it was and wil be repeated i m sure.
mircea_popescu: o hey, pete got a mertz ?
pete_dushenski: yup!
pete_dushenski: 5.6L V8
mircea_popescu: not bad.
pete_dushenski: same as that owned by gorbachev and hussein
pete_dushenski: good company, that
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can't comment on whether gorby owns one, but the photo is clearly on a wash, d.c street
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't think he keeps it here.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: md plates, too
asciilifeform: (state of maryland)
pete_dushenski: ha
asciilifeform: probably rental.
pete_dushenski: well the story is that he drove one on his first visit to the us
pete_dushenski: fell in love with it
pete_dushenski: and ordered a bullet-proof model, naturally, as soon as he returned to moscow
asciilifeform: iirc that one was auctioned recently ?
asciilifeform: or was that his 'zil'
pete_dushenski: hm i missed said auction
asciilifeform: lol, would have bought it ?
pete_dushenski: for the right price, i'll buy anything.
asciilifeform: for an even righter price i'll also buy anything.
pete_dushenski: you would undercut me, wouldn't you.
asciilifeform: neh, the street bum who bids a penny will undercut.
asciilifeform: all of us.
asciilifeform: (how does this work exactly.)
pete_dushenski: lol it doesn't
asciilifeform: but yes, congrats. vroom.
asciilifeform: does that thing run on ordinary petrol?
pete_dushenski: cheers
pete_dushenski: oh ya, inordinate amounts of it
mircea_popescu: http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2179295.jpg << lol nothing like a blonde girl with black eyebrows and landing strip.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9Ne3L )
pete_dushenski: not sure i would've sprung for it had gas been $1.2/L
pete_dushenski: i don't think i'll eke out 400 km of city driving on a 90l tank
pete_dushenski: probably more like 600-700km on the highway
asciilifeform: good car for fellow who doesn't drive.
mircea_popescu: tank isn't that big if memory serves, more like 52, and fuel economy is not that bad, more like 7ish
mircea_popescu: so you'd do ~500 km on the 50 liters in the tank
pete_dushenski: i drive about 5000km a year so almost "doesn't drive"
mircea_popescu: *700
pete_dushenski: "23.8-gallon fuel tank"
mircea_popescu: http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html << this person does NOT understand what "turing complete" means.
assbot: Magic: the Gathering is Turing Complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1B9NuzL )
mircea_popescu: apparently a sack of 20 different apples is "turing complete" if you provide the turing completeness separately
mircea_popescu: and allocate the apples to machine states or sumthin
asciilifeform: separately ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu you're probably thinking of the 300 sel, if not one of the diesels
asciilifeform: seems like the question re: the linked article is, can one have the card players compute an arbitrary function (without them knowing) by having them play out a certain position
asciilifeform: seems like it purports to show that - yes
asciilifeform has not checked the proof, just saw this turd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what he does is, "here's a turing machine, and here's how im painting my game on it. "
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i was thinking of teh diesel.
mircea_popescu: this is gas ?!
pete_dushenski: you thought it was a 5.6l diesel?
pete_dushenski: it's not a 3/4 ton pickup
pete_dushenski: lol ya it's gas
mircea_popescu: yeah those had shitty fuel economy.
mircea_popescu: back in the 90s the diesels were pretty economical cause diesel was 30% off
pete_dushenski: now diesel is all over the place
pete_dushenski: often 30% more
pete_dushenski: plus, quite underpowered and they never heat up in the winter
pete_dushenski: not enough waste heat
pete_dushenski: though the diesels are known to last 1,000,000 miles
mircea_popescu: hm, nah, it'll heat alright
pete_dushenski: at -30C it'll take a while
pete_dushenski: by which time you're probably already at your destination
pete_dushenski: could take 30 min
mircea_popescu: ah yes, i guess that's a point.
mircea_popescu: doesn't get that cold in yurp
pete_dushenski: ya, it's an entirely canadian consideration
pete_dushenski: as is traction in snow, etc.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> it's not a 3/4 ton pickup << lol
ben_vulpes: nice acquisition, pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: "Nos numerus sumus et fruges consumere nati."
pete_dushenski: not too shabby eh
mircea_popescu: "we are statistics, born to consume resources."
ben_vulpes: imma put lady v in a mercedes baby wagon here sometime
ben_vulpes: you know
ben_vulpes: the long ones
ben_vulpes: hearses
mircea_popescu: get a volvo while at it
pete_dushenski: glk ? e-something ?
mircea_popescu: and weld them top to top
pete_dushenski: i think top gear did that welding game once
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes so when's this baby of yours due ? we've been hearing about it since, what, you tried to use it as an excuse to not go to the third conference ?
pete_dushenski: we want to send you toys!
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm going to the third conference, foo
pete_dushenski: well now you are...
ben_vulpes: you see the girl's sister's wedding is important enough to shift babymaking around, but not con3
ben_vulpes: but can't really say yo
ben_vulpes: letting biology do its thing
pete_dushenski: that's a fun game at least :)
ben_vulpes: myeah
ben_vulpes: getting creative. it's a blast, honestly.
pete_dushenski: lol probably stressful at times but you have to roll with the punches
pete_dushenski: it's not like lady v is 35yo and it's crazy crunch time
pete_dushenski: might as well enjoy these final months/years of peaceful sleep
pete_dushenski: and dink life
ben_vulpes: dink < meh
ben_vulpes: perhaps you missed the part of the log where i disclosed that lady v is on my personal payroll
pete_dushenski: i guess it depends whether your personal payroll includes personal cheques or just payments in kind ;)
ben_vulpes: personal cheques would defeat the purpose; then i'd have to pay taxes on money i'd already have paid taxes on.
asciilifeform: what's it mean to have a pet on payroll even.
pete_dushenski: employee
pete_dushenski: professional services rendered
mats: papa vulpes
pete_dushenski: i mean, it's possible
mats: adorbs
pete_dushenski: probably -ev tho
asciilifeform: why does a pet need money.
mats: handbags.
asciilifeform: spambags ?
kakobrekla: to bring in food. at least in my case.
asciilifeform almost failed to read 'handbags' because it lodged in his skullcase's spam filter
kakobrekla hates going to the store.
asciilifeform would have pet fetch food but it would require teaching pet to drive and issuing a vehicle
ben_vulpes: yeah well there you go
ben_vulpes: mine has her own
ben_vulpes: and does the cooking too
asciilifeform: cooking - yes
ben_vulpes: easily delegable all sorts of household tasks
ben_vulpes: girl basically runs the household
ben_vulpes: no reason to not provide adequate expense accounts to ensure everything gets done
ben_vulpes: wait - skullcase?
ben_vulpes: nm.
kakobrekla: here you dont need a car to go to the store.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: srsly, how often does one see word 'handbag' outside of spam.
kakobrekla: actually it would take longer with the car than by foot.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the only thing one can reliably get to where i live, without a motor, is 'convenience stores' which largely sell recycled food
mats: must be nice living in a first world country
kakobrekla: i live in this valley http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/objava_datoteke/1327004782_0_cerknisko_jezero4_prikaz_objave_glava.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZCXxL )
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: woah. colour.
kakobrekla: kinda near those houses on the left http://www.slotrips.si/sis-mapa/skupina_doc/slo/galerija/1323110606_6622_panorama1a.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZD7VJ )
kakobrekla: its sorta famous place, lots of pics.
mats: looks idyllic
kakobrekla: from the top of the hill http://www.burger.si/Cerknica/CerkniskoJezero_Slivnica.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xrp5C0 )
kakobrekla: nuff of spamming
kakobrekla: !up felipelalli
felipelalli: Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review?
kakobrekla: ping mircea_popescu BingoBoingo
felipelalli: ok! Thank you kakobrekla
kakobrekla: actually i was pinging them for their attention for you
kakobrekla: just sit down and wait till someone appropriate comes around
felipelalli: thank you! Let me ask another thing: wouldn't nice if this page (default 404): http://qntra.net/anything/ (where anything can be anything) was linked somewhere? Like "Search" or "Category" (without the message "Well this is somewhat embarrassing, isn’t it?")? This page is very useful because it shows the categories and the search. I couldn't find a link to search/category page.
assbot: Page not found | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZEKCL )
kakobrekla: i think cazalla edits the wp
mike_c: why do you want to write in portuguese?
mike_c: i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up.
mats: i imagine its his native tongur
mats: tongue* blasted touchscreen
mike_c: reasoning is along the lines of, "the only people you are reaching is the people in italy who haven't bothered to learn english"
mats: the net must be a boring place for people who can't read the big three
kakobrekla: you mean js css and html ?
mats: ofc
mike_c: kako, when are we buying our tickets to BA for april? it's getting late.
kakobrekla: you should do comedy i think
asciilifeform: kakobrekla will go ?
mike_c: i am trying to twist his arm.
kakobrekla: !up felipelalli
felipelalli: mike_c: because it is my native language and my English is not so good. But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood.
kakobrekla: you english seems fine
mike_c: yeah.. not sure who is going to do that translation for you
kakobrekla: i mean, fine enough for english draft at least
mike_c: ^ i agree. write it in english and get that reviewed.
felipelalli: thank you! : ) I'm gonna try it.
mike_c: !gettrust assbot felipelalli
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user felipelalli: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli | http://w.b-a.link/user/felipelalli
mike_c: what's the topic?
felipelalli: mike_c: why when I send this command to gribble I receive a different result?
felipelalli: 01:08:09 - felipelalli: gettrust assbot
felipelalli: 01:08:10 - gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=felipelalli&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
assbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFVlQ )
assbot: Rating Details for User 'assbot' ... ( http://bit.ly/17ZFSXg )
mike_c: you are doing it the other way
mike_c: you trust assbot, the bot doesn't yet trust you
felipelalli: mike_c: ah! Ok.
felipelalli: mike_c: I want to do an overview of the Bitcoin image in Brazil. I want to show how almost everybody here thinks it is a scam. But for this I use a professional statistical research that costs a fortune.
felipelalli: *I want to use
felipelalli: I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research.
kakobrekla: i agree, its a scam.
kakobrekla: no stat tools needed.
mike_c: not even a good scam. price goes down all the time.
kakobrekla: i dont think it ever went up
felipelalli: are you kidding, right? :)
mike_c: so, if you want to do this research but have not yet, what is the article going to say?
felipelalli: I want to write one, just like a dream. Not sure if I will accomplish.
kakobrekla: well get to work, dreams wont dream themselfs!
mike_c: ah. well, hit the streets, get 50 random brazilians to answer a survey. the results of that might be worth an article.
mike_c: heh, 50 brazilian. that's a lot.
kakobrekla: there arent that many?
felipelalli: no, I had worked in a statistical company, if you say to them that you made that, they gonna kill you! :)
felipelalli: the number doesn't matter, but the distribution.
mike_c: well, it's just a survey. confidence interval is +- 2 brazilian
TheNewDeal: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is not identified.
mats: a what? >30 s'all you need
felipelalli: no. If I go to slams it will be one result, if I go to downtown, another totally different.
mike_c: 30 brazilian?
kakobrekla: i think he is saying 1 brazilian is enough
felipelalli: *slum
kakobrekla: and extrapolate
mats: you're not gonna let that go huh mike_c
mike_c: oh god.. the accent in my head is killing me. hilarious
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 324390816.001
kakobrekla: felipelalli come up with a draft and show it to qntra people is your best bet
felipelalli: kakobrekla: thank you! I'll try it.
kakobrekla: cool
mats: kakobrekla being surprisingly nice and helpful
kakobrekla: go fuck yourself
mats: :(
felipelalli: but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need.
kakobrekla: aww cmon mats a little joke.
mats: im sensitive
kakobrekla: then i wont hug you
mats: felipelalli: def a waste. what's software gonna do that you can't replicate by hand?
mike_c: i'll give mats a brazilian hugs
felipelalli: waste of money if I hire that company.
mats: not to say there wouldn't be a valid use case. just, what's the point?
felipelalli: I have to go, nice to meet you guys. hugs from Brazil.
kakobrekla: lol, authentic brazil hugs
kakobrekla: ok good luck
mats: adorbs
felipelalli: thank you kakobrekla
mats: this is the most touching moment ive witnessed in #b-a
kakobrekla: lol
mats: usually its all world domination and biodiesel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00051321 = 20.7337 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: ;;seen The20YearIRCloud
gribble: The20YearIRCloud was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <The20YearIRCloud> Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it.
TheNewDeal: did !s disappear
kakobrekla: !s search
assbot: 1117 results for 'search' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=search
kakobrekla: found it
mats: https://major.io/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RAS_Traceroute_Book_Format.pdf via hn
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujGGdW )
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> from the top of the hill << o look, czechoslovenia!
mircea_popescu: i mean yugoslovakia
mircea_popescu: felipelalli so what did you want to talk about ?
mircea_popescu: mats: adorbs << lol. yeh.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: and does the cooking too << i remember that part.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i believe english is strongly encouraged. from what I remember when the guy wanting to write in italian showed up. << well, nobody speaks italian. brazil speaks portuguese. i don't directly see a problem with it, if the coverage's any good.
mircea_popescu: but there'd have to be some sort of serious upfront commitment to it. one article now and again isn'treally worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: But I want to write it in Portuguese to someone translate it to me to English, and I make the final review just to see if anything was misundertood. << this is a non-starter. the person doing the translation can just write their own stuff directly. you're not famous or anything, why'd you imagine someone'd be bothered translating you specifically ?
mircea_popescu: talking about bitcoin and scams, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsomerrmdp1qh3yiso1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujHAqS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14240 @ 0.00051321 = 7.3081 BTC [-]
mats: http://i.imgur.com/pkzx0Mt.jpg << kek. reenlisted in a GameStop.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujI1l0 )
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
mats: vidya game store
mircea_popescu: i get that part
mats: o, hes doing a reenlistment ceremony to reup his contract
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: I want to hire a statistical company to make a distributed properly research. << there's perhaps better uses to that capital, whatever you'd be spending. seeing how the value of asnwering the "what does brazil think" on whatever topic isn't really that great. i guess it could be a useful demonstration of methodology etc, but that needs some sort of a plan, won't do much as just a shot in the dark.
mats: From the pre-close panel at Shmoocon yesterday: "We used to be smarter than the Feds, it used to be a joke, how dumb they are. The NSA and FBI have a lot of smart people working for them now, I think it may be the other way around these days."
mircea_popescu: o.O
mats: shmoocon was meh this year, though.
mats: although James Forshaw's talk was pretty good. i can't seem to find slides online...
mats: i think attendees were dazzled by the reproduced ANT tools
mats: michael ossmann is the man.
mats: http://ossmann.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-nsa-playset.html from july.
assbot: mossmann's blog: The NSA Playset ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujIWC9 )
mircea_popescu: mats: usually its all world domination and biodiesel << world biodisomination!
mats: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/legislative/letters/updated-law-enforcement-tools.pdf << this'd be p good for a qntra article BingoBoingo
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujJyaF )
mats: "SEC. 104. Ensuring Authority for Courts to Shut Down Botnets ..."
mats: "(D) violating or about to violate section 1030 of this title where such conduct would affect 100 or more protected computers during any 1-year period, such as (but not limited to) by denying access to or operation of the computers, installing unwanted software on the computers, using the computers without authorization, or obtaining information from the
mats: computers without authorization"
mats: nmap is now a WMD
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: this entire "forget how the machines work we'll make a legal representaton of how they SHOULD work and then hold you to respect that whether you knew it or not" is such nonsense.
asciilifeform: !s monolith
assbot: 17 results for 'monolith' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=monolith
mircea_popescu: basically the proposition is that rather than writing good software, bad software will be translated into law language
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885689 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies.
mircea_popescu: except, how the fuck will that work ? here's a broken c program, make a basic version of it and then try to enforce it
mircea_popescu: BEFORE A JURY
mircea_popescu: it's ludicrous as a concept. showing that these idiots posing as "leaders" have the intellectual penetration of frogs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, have you -seen- an american jury.
mircea_popescu: i actually helped slant a couple.
mircea_popescu: !up coderwill
TheNewDeal: mp, what is the email address that would have sent out a token for trilema?
PeterL: TheNewDeal: mine came from office @ polimedia.us
TheNewDeal: gracias
mircea_popescu: yeah
mats: https://join.me/913-747-021
assbot: join.me – Free Screen Sharing and Online Meetings ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0flB )
mats: some guy pwning US edu sites.
mircea_popescu: that ancient virus now has its own website ?
mats: what are you referring to?
mircea_popescu: mats http://4eyez95.deviantart.com/journal/THE-join-me-VIRUS-spreading-the-word-ALERT-360596181
assbot: THE join.me VIRUS (spreading the word) ALERT!!!! by 4eyez95 on DeviantArt ... ( http://bit.ly/1wn0Rrc )
mircea_popescu: (it's a joke)
mats: heh
mircea_popescu: probably the best infection report on the internets.
mats: > Damn hackers! I want to hack them all (my stepdad once set a virus to this dork that was bragging bout his hacking skills, the virus causes your computer to wipe itself cleab each time it turns on or off! Dont worry, he only sent it to that one guy)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00051072 = 13.0744 BTC [-]
mats: boring stream
mircea_popescu: !up coderwill
coderwill: Hello
mircea_popescu: hi
coderwill: mircea_popescu: Is MPEX your exchange?
mircea_popescu: yea
coderwill: Cool, I remember a few weeks ago arriving on it a couple of months ago - I think Wences Cesares of Xapo mentioned it on Twitter.
coderwill: I'm in the early phases of setting up an exchange here in Costa Rica.
mircea_popescu: aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00049584 = 26.106 BTC [-] {3}
coderwill: mircea_popescu: anything you wish you'd known when you first started putting together your exchange that you know now?
coderwill: thanks for the temp +v
mircea_popescu: coderwill it's not entirely clear what you mean by "exchange", but in any case : what you're looking for has been covered extensively by mpoe-pr on the forum, back in the early days when the sort of nonsense was a lot more prevalent/
mircea_popescu: you definitely should read her exhaustively before anything else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 350 @ 0.1137346 = 39.8071 BTC [-] {6}
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: or was that his 'zil' << zil was auctioned rather recently
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Can I write an article in Portuguese to qntra.net? Someone can translate it to English to me and I make the final review? << It is far easier to clean up iffy English tham translate.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: but maybe you are right, spend money on it can be waste of money. maybe a simple survey can give me the results I need. << Prolly do it in the way that keeps your expenses on this down.
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
mats: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/why-i-hope-congress-never-watches-blackhat/
assbot: Why I Hope Congress Never Watches Blackhat | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt3jUn )
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: thank you, but I was already discouraged enough. I'll think of a way to contribute, I loved the style of qntra.net - and would like to see some original research on it. Do not know why it fascinates me, but the amount of misinformation in the world of bitcoin is incredible, it's hard to trust something without having checked ourselves.
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well, you are welcome to submit articles for review.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: thank you.
mircea_popescu: that's a good point.
mircea_popescu: tons of varied nonsense floating about
BingoBoingo: I simply lack the nuances of the language to do a great portugese translation. Research would be incredibly welcome though.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: nice to hear that, I'll put my brain to work.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/advanced-fucking/
mircea_popescu: mats dude, a piece about one kevin poulsen featuring a large picture of said kevin poulsen (who looks like a dork) discussing kevin poulsen and stuff to do with kevin poulsen.
mircea_popescu: i can see why he wrote it. wtf is wired doing publishing it
mircea_popescu: oh wait. free. right.
BingoBoingo: Free is the only price they can afford.
BingoBoingo: mats: I'll take a look.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mike_c Thanks
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: yeah its bad
mats: like an aquarium
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048875 = 4.4965 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.11120001 = 1.7792 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this... apparently we don't have enough friends in the SEC https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/
assbot: SEC Investigation of GAW Miners Underway ... ( http://bit.ly/1802dUk )
fluffypony: cazalla will like this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/19/new_carberp_trojan_hits_oz/
assbot: AT LAST: Australia gets its very own malware • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVrvMI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00048815 = 2.099 BTC [-] {2}
davout: http://fr.scribd.com/doc/253100323/154-1United-States-v-Ross-William-Ulbricht-14-Cr-68
assbot: 154 1United States v Ross William Ulbricht 14 Cr 68 ... ( http://bit.ly/1sVtfFP )
davout: pretty fucking lulzy
davout: The Kalyhost customer
davout: associated with the “silkroadmarket.org” website
davout: , the investigation ultimately revealed, was the
davout: defendant
davout: . As reflected in t
davout: he “who.is” information for the “silkroadmarket.org”
davout: website, the name of the website was registered by someone using the
davout: name “Richard Page.”
davout: (
davout: See
davout: Ex. C). Based on an examination of the defendant’s
davout: laptop subsequent to his arrest, that name is known to be an alias used by the defendant. Specifically, a
davout: file recovered from the defendant’s computer, within a folder marked “aliaces” [sic]
davout: , reflects the name
davout: “Richard Page,”
davout: along with a false address included in the contact information used to
davout: register the “silkroadmarket.org” domain name. »
davout: awshit
davout: a pro copypastar is not me
davout: "Thus, SA Der-Yeghiayan had noted that a website registered to Mr. Karpeles had a “wiki” page on it (i.e., an FAQ page) that was created using the same version of “wiki” software – “Mediawiki” – used to create the “wiki” page on the Silk Road website."
davout: "Similarly, SA Der-Yeghiayan also noticed that a discussion forum known as “bitcointalk.org” – which SA Der-Yeghiayan believed, based on information from a “confidential informant,” was operated by Mr. Karpeles" <<< whose name starts with 'they' and ends with 'mos'
fluffypony: Mark "theymos" Karpeles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0005081 = 2.8708 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams?
fluffypony: and he's actually behind PirateAt40
punkman: and he's just wearing a fat suit
fluffypony: yeah, bro is cut
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He was the "secret" whatever the fucks Trendon traded with on Torchat.
fluffypony: abs for days
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: bullseye
BingoBoingo: OMG Karpeles was the government plant all along
fluffypony: lol
punkman: http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/01/16/bitcoin-payment-processor-egopay-ceases-trading-founders-may-have-stolen-millions/
assbot: Bitcoin payment processor EgoPay ceases trading, founders may have stolen millions | SiliconANGLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnYL5f )
punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE,it manipulated by Scammer,name is TADAS KASPUTIS,he also the owner of EGOPAY,
fluffypony: well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS.
punkman: http://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/fb6778fbec468d8338d9dab224a9c101.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnZRhy )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.0005081 = 8.2312 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t1ca9/coinbase_raises_75_mil_in_the_single_largest_vc/
assbot: Coinbase raises 75 mil $ in the single largest VC round for a bitcoin startup : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2nNoE )
fluffypony: !up Elio19
Elio19: Thanks fluffypony
fluffypony: np
Elio19: I thought that if i authed with gribble and sent "!up" to the bot that i would get voice
Elio19: but it does not work like that
fluffypony: no, you have to have a trust relationship with assbot
BingoBoingo: Elio19: You msg assbot !up now, and it gives you a blob to decrypt now
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot Elio19
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Elio19!~elio19@gateway/tor-sasl/elio19. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Elio19: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Elio19 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Elio19 | Rated since: Thu Mar 8 00:37:21 2012
fluffypony: oh yes I forgot that changed
BingoBoingo: Then you reply to assbot with !v thePassword
fluffypony: the new-new rating system
Elio19: Well i guess thats "almost cool"
Elio19: but unnecessarily complicate
BingoBoingo: Elio19: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF )
BingoBoingo: ^ updated
midnightmagic: punkman: hey man, ease up on the links in here k
midnightmagic: eeek
midnightmagic: !down
midnightmagic: !down midnightmagic
Elio19: !up midnightmagic
davout: fluffypony: "well I guess his reputation is also KASPUTIS." <<< kek
davout: oh, assbot kicks now, that's neat
BingoBoingo: davout: Assbot always kicked people who !down themselves
davout: learn something new everyday
davout: is there a particular reason?
BingoBoingo: I dun know/remember. Just something It's done
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
Dizzle: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: tyvm
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7CnYLnSx
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Byddop )
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.0
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1BydgAv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049936 = 5.0435 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahh lovely assbot voice
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 242 @ 0.00550217 = 1.3315 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: what a fuckin process
danielpbarron: "I think its perfectly usable for people who are comfortable with bitcoin, but aren't developers or are tech-savvy. You could crowdfund, you know, me and my friends go to a concert and we've got to 'group buy' concert tickets, or group buy a laser tag day or something." Hearn on his decentralized kickstarter turd
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10216893#msg10216893
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/15sbWS2 )
nubbins`: "If he have a more powerful laser he could have cut the edge more nicely."
nubbins`: my sides!!
mircea_popescu: bah, so im writing an article. put down the first paragraph, 800 words worth of notes.
mircea_popescu: writing is this exercise in fucking impossibility.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/preview-of-obamas-internet-law-enforcement-proposals/
BingoBoingo: http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore
assbot: Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore ... ( http://bit.ly/1wnQT9b )
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/nyse-minority-contributor-in-coinbases-latest-fundraiser/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.11117555 = 2.7794 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 339780 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 923 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 42294419240.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -3.81437
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Badbitcoinorg/status/557481790756360192
assbot: OK /CoinFireBlog I've made sure that GAW article is saved on wayback machine, and I've kept a copy as well. Complete BS.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/01/whiplash.html << mega-lol
assbot: ClubOrlov: Whiplash! ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeA3QO )
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: !rate felipelalli 1 +v easy come, easy...
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/135fbc2bd8731912
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.felipelalli.1:482fa9fe4369a62b557ecf1a16dc802002691c8a51e913ebe7fd4bf94fdaeb64
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for felipelalli with note: +v easy come, easy...
thestringpuller: soul music. RIP detroit the motor city
danielpbarron: idk if it matters since it doesn't sound like there is a need to translate from portugese to english, but i know a guy fluent in both languages
xanthyos: ooh i figured it out
xanthyos: oh just !v not !verify
xanthyos: 6 times more efficient to type
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: ;;rate danielpbarron 2 crypto-priest
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lulzy twitter drama
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << btw saw the saudi prince interview where he admits they're best buds with putin now ?
BingoBoingo: Really is, nobody "scam hunters" getting pissed that the scammer they like is getting shat on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! nope
mircea_popescu: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/bartiromo/2015/01/11/bartiromo-saudi-prince-alwaleed-oil-100-barrel/21484911/
assbot: Saudi prince: $100-a-barrel oil 'never' again ... ( http://bit.ly/1BzgX94 )
mircea_popescu: usa today no less.
asciilifeform skeptical
mircea_popescu: he's a bit of a jirinovski
mircea_popescu: "And without a functioning industrial economy crude oil would be reclassified as toxic waste. But that is still two or three decades off in the future."
mircea_popescu: lol. mmmkay.
BingoBoingo: "Backyard refinery"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re orlov : my very biased opinion is that "look, a collection of interesting facts and assorted insanities. the facts i recall reading coupla weeks ago in trilema."
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the definition of bias. "agreeing with others in the parts where they agree with you."
mircea_popescu: but in any case, i'd love to see the math by which russia produces oil at a profit when it's $25 a barrel.
mircea_popescu: strangely, he also seems unaware of teh obama charlie hebdo blunder. i dunno when the us was as politically isolated in its past 1848 history as the time when everyone was in paris except obama. putin was there for chrissakes.
mircea_popescu: i guess hauling all those submarines in helicopters in boats in trains arrangement for securitah has its disadvantages. can't move fast enough
jurov: heh. yes when it was at shore like in normandy, moving subs by was easier
mircea_popescu: heh
nubbins`: thestringpuller pm me details about this work of yours
nubbins`: better not be as drawn-out as last time
mircea_popescu: lol that blinky map dohickey (revolvermaps.com) reports "119 Recent Pageviews". over about 10 minutes ? so like
nubbins`: actually, scratch that. pm me details about this work of yours when you've got money in-hand and a design ready to go. there's really no need to update me before that point :P
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 119 * 6 * 24
gribble: 17136
mircea_popescu: soon to be overtaken by qntra o.O
mircea_popescu: i guess it's time for cazalla to get a ten page wikipedia article in all teh languages.
ben_vulpes: buenos dias, wreckers
BingoBoingo: !b 7
assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3RQCCZA.txt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71500 @ 0.00049639 = 35.4919 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: Next they come for the Roth IRAs http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/19/lets-pay-for-free-community-college-by-t
assbot: Let's Pay for 'Free' Community College by Taxing College Savings! - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1EmnsKM )
kakobrekla: http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/intercontinental_exchange_group/usn/usnews-story.aspx?cid=953&newsid=28438
assbot: NYSE Completes Minority Investment in Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1C3RWlq )
mats: a lol
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/
mats: "Australia has flown 144 sorties on Islamic State extremists, but it's believed IS had already struck first, launching a cyber-missile on Australian computer systems."
mats: > a cyber-missile
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00051182 = 9.0592 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: vrediteli!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla curious what comes of this.
mircea_popescu: mats calling it "a cyber missile" is a good joke. calling some beheadings "a new hairstyle" is a bad joke. gotta keep track!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty soon the jury will have to deliberate on the exclusive basis of one sheet of paper on which the words "The People consider the defendant guilty" are written
mircea_popescu: in 16 point comic ms font
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's seriously looks like where the system is headed.
mircea_popescu: ima put it in comments brb
Adlai: lol this reminds me of the whole shitshow in the idf where "real warriors" got all tussled about the cyber command calling its hackers "cyber warriors"
Adlai: some highup officer says that a single cyber warrior can be more valuable to the country than hundreds [of thousands] of regular warriors
Adlai: and then recants this statement once all the other highups flip a shit
mircea_popescu: that's a dangerous path to take. because "screw you bitch, i can sit in a chair and fly a desk too."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00051413 = 15.6296 BTC [+]
Adlai: it was hilarious at the time, being a "real warrior" myself, but siding with the "cyber warrior" camp :D
mircea_popescu: the argument is about as retarded as saying that "one real warrior can be more valuable than" bla bla. sure, the guy who puts up the flag can be misrepresented so and so.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's about two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters than it is to find passible language-of-the-week coders.
Adlai: nobody was suggesting calling coders "cyber warriors", this was about hackers crackers and stuxers
mircea_popescu: yaya.
mircea_popescu: im sure.
mircea_popescu: just like nobody is calling retarded journalist cunts "core developers" on the basis of their merging gender changes to pronouns in documentation on github.
mircea_popescu: to the grief of women actually involved with computers. whoi aren't a market for the niggers, because they're smart and few, which makes it too expensive.
Adlai encountered a new one yesterday, "zir"
Adlai: sounds like a malamanteau of "her" and "sir"
Adlai: !ud malamanteau
Adlai: assbot: pls
mircea_popescu: țîr m. (ngr. tziros) : a small fish.
mircea_popescu: "The slightly good news is that PID 1 segfaulting does not reboot the machine on the spot. "
mircea_popescu: "Attempts to log in or to su to root from an existing login either fail or hang."
mircea_popescu: " dude it's so great to be back on windows, seriously" << fifty million "experts" running systemd
mircea_popescu: The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message.
mircea_popescu: "The merely bad experience is that as a result of this I had occasion to use journalctl (I normally don't). More specifically, I had occasion to use 'journalctl -l', because of course if you're going to make a bug report you want to give full messages. Unfortunately, 'journalctl -l does not actually show you the full message."
mircea_popescu: "accidentally", all this, no doubt.
mircea_popescu: (Oh, and journalctl goes out of its way to set up this behavior. Not by passing command line arguments to less, because that would be too obvious (you might spot it in a ps listing, for example); instead it mangles $LESS to effectively add the '-S' option, among other things.)
asciilifeform: two degrees of magnitude harder to find passible shooters << since when is cannon fodder in short supply?
mircea_popescu: note i was not talking about web experts.
thestringpuller: random: is there a reason "crowd source" projects usually are of mediocre quality?
thestringpuller: seems "flashy" and stuffs and not enough..."factor x"
mircea_popescu: all crowd source projects constructed around an asshole succeed. like linux. and like systemd.
BingoBoingo: Updated: http://qntra.net/2015/01/prosecutors-seek-to-bar-dpr-interview-from-jury/
assbot: Prosecutors Seek to Bar DPR Interview From Jury – Updated | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS5M3Y )
mircea_popescu: lol epic railroading.
jurov: i know several people who ended up running webserver on windows because "under linux we could never get everything working right, admin always fixing something"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla of course my only takeaway is that the price is doing pretty well at strangling coinbase. lucky them that they managed a refinance. curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
BingoBoingo: Well Coinbase got financing. BitPay because of the publicity stunt gets belt tightening.
kakobrekla: actually that bp thing smells like koruption to me
mircea_popescu: ?
kakobrekla: the bowl sponsorship or whatever the fuck
mircea_popescu: how'd that go ?
BingoBoingo: Oh few things are as corrupt as College Football. It is gloriously corrupt.
mircea_popescu: "medium awareness" << triple pun of win!
BingoBoingo: I mean with the plantation slaves... I mean University Student Athletes... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1932265/
assbot: "South Park" Crack Baby Athletic Association (TV Episode 2011) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1xS8vdC )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Looks like qntra got scooped on this. << of course there's also the possibility they made it up. not the 1st time.
mircea_popescu: ps : "DDoS protection by CloudFlare" does not actually work.
Adlai: more like "DoS centralization courtesy of CloudFlare"
BingoBoingo: Well of course. They probably don't have a giant folder with the whole SEC file. I wouldn't put it past them to have a friend who happens to be a government secretary somewhere.
Adlai: "Why so serious? Let us put a smile on that face of yours, and turn a 404 into a 503 today!"
Adlai: only9.99,termsandconditionsmayapply
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Wait so Mark did the Gox, Silk Road, GLBSE, and Bitcointalk scams? <<< the explanation is quite pedestrian. there's a bunch of fuctards who imagine they're "the coimmunity" notwithstanding they have no money and no political importance. because hey, they FEEL like they should matter. these derps ineffectually tried to prop up mtgox. they failed, but they don't wish to confront the why there, so instead the
mircea_popescu: y prefer blaming fatso.
mircea_popescu: who is generally stupid and lazy, and i doubt teh story will stick, but hey. angry narcissists.
mircea_popescu: Adlai thing is , page simply does not resolve unless you run bad software.
mircea_popescu: that's plenty of modern browsers, of course, but hey.
BingoBoingo: Well somewhere I think someone brought up a govt agent suspecting Fatty was also Thermos
mircea_popescu: and obama.
BingoBoingo: Sure.
BingoBoingo: Karpeles is probably secretly Lizard Hitler too.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "Virtex.com Chart is FAKE" << lolz. rly ?!
mircea_popescu: what's next, bifinex is a lulzy scamfest and btcjam loses 30% of your moneyz every coupla quarters ?
mircea_popescu: soon enough 2012 will be like, rediscovered.
BingoBoingo: Oh, you mean Bitfinex like https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t2oss/bitfinex_exchange_owner_admits_to_using_inside/
assbot: Bitfinex exchange owner admits to using inside information to trade on own platform : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSaVsH )
mircea_popescu: lol
Adlai: good thing bitfinex doesn't trade stocks and there's no such thing as insider forex trading
Adlai: (fsvo "good")
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is elastic, it can be anything you want it to be. "commodity"
kakobrekla: more like cumodity
mircea_popescu: !up nubbins`
mircea_popescu: hey ever managed to reg ?
BingoBoingo: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/19/police-radar-see-through-walls/22007615/
assbot: New police radars can 'see' inside homes ... ( http://bit.ly/1xScwij )
mircea_popescu: ah ok
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "walls". ie, vinyl siding.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course. It's just amazing how shitware isn't limited to the stuff that Stan blawgs about.
mircea_popescu: Yes, a MASTER CARVER who normally earns $450 (or is it $800 (or is it $3,000)) per hour is willing to make Butterfly Labs dildos for $18/hr.
mircea_popescu: i lulzd.
mircea_popescu: the last master carver to have made 3k an hour was known by his moustache.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dun think anyone who a) isn't mentally retarded and b) looked at any item more than cursorily failed to realise it's a computer etch.
mircea_popescu: i know i sort-of considered having something done when he was first brought up but dropped after actually looking at w/e it was at the tgime.
mircea_popescu: !up STRML
STRML: Thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you register your key with assbot, aquire some trust and then can self-voice.
nubbins`: mp XD
STRML: Great, I'll check the docs
mircea_popescu: !up diana_coman
nubbins`: i'm in read-only mode in that thread from now on, it's too rich
mircea_popescu: STRML assbot documented pretty well on wiki.
nubbins`: like eating an entire cheesecake
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tbh i think it's forcing a point. anyone buying whatever on puffery is stuck.
mircea_popescu: it's not fraud to say you're "a master artisan". it'd have been a fraud had it been a regulated profession.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: curious if bitpay announces anything soon.
thestringpuller: ^- sooner than you think
mircea_popescu: aha.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00049359 = 12.3398 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: fair enough
nubbins`: i got drawn in by his insistence on obfuscating the fact
mircea_popescu: and tbh, tiny chisels do exist.
nubbins`: i know!
mircea_popescu: mostly carbide tipped
nubbins`: too bad he shows me the 3/4" ones instead
mircea_popescu: expensive as all shit, the 1/26 1/32 stuff
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.msg10219854#msg10219854
assbot: Scam Warning: WoodCollector ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGACU7 )
nubbins`: ^ final send-off
nubbins`: odd imperial sizes are a terrible thing
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: rumor is they've been seeking more funding. dunno if they'll announce another round soon or not.
nubbins`: you know how much a 9/16" drill bit costs?
Adlai: STRML: you from bitmex?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not much need for that to be a rumour. obviousness is obvious, i dun think anyone doesn't know they are.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not by heart, but yes, you can probably buy a girl in the shadier part of town for less.
nubbins`: i :0'd last time i had to buy one
nubbins`: anyway, poor kid will learn his craft over time. i guess
STRML: Adlai: Yep :)
kakobrekla: !s bitmex
assbot: 0 results for 'bitmex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitmex
mircea_popescu: nah, this isn't really how you learn that.
mircea_popescu: it'slikesaying kid driving will evetually learn to marathon
STRML: kakobrekla: https://www.bitmex.com
assbot: BitMEX - Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSg3No )
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: o.O
nubbins`: i meant the craft of lasering things, perhaps in a booth at the mall
mircea_popescu: that's basically how you make keys right ?
STRML: We are a derivatives exchange for investors and speculators who are serious about the products they trade. I could give you the whole pitch but I don't want to spam the channel :)
mircea_popescu: STRML so who is the serious traders that built it ?
nubbins`: more or less
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/TjoVNzd
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgp6V )
nubbins`: that type shit
nubbins`: engraving/keycutting/lasering is a popular combo
STRML: mircea_popescu: Our cofounders and board members have 40+ years combined in banking
nubbins`: altho tbf keys are mostly still ground
mircea_popescu: names if you will.
kakobrekla: 100 1yearold have 100 years experience
STRML: Arthur Hayes - Deutsche Bank, and Joseph Jeong, DB, Credit Suisse, et al
STRML: https://www.bitmex.com/app/aboutUs
assbot: About Us - BitMEX ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSgJTd )
mircea_popescu: "BitMEX is the first centrally cleared derivatives exchange. " << the first it certainly isn't.
mircea_popescu: ah, i clicked the about but nothing happened. js issue i guess.
thestringpuller: Everyone thinks bitcoin is ready for options again cause they know how to write JS
STRML: We don't think it's ready for options at all, actually
thestringpuller: "This platform is bugged" "But it looks pretty!"
mircea_popescu: "Arthur Hayes obtained his BA in Economics at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2008. "
mircea_popescu: this is the antithesis of "experienced" you know.
STRML: I understand, the majority of our experience is in our engine author who wishes to remain unnamed
thestringpuller: makes it easier to take the money and run
STRML: For him, perhaps, not for us
STRML: We are very public about who we are
Adlai: well you could just get the engine sauce audited, then revoke anonybob's access
STRML: To be clear, that was a joke; we use multisig internally, it is not possible for our unnamed cofounder to cut and run
STRML: The only reason he is as of yet unnamed is because he is still employed
Adlai: ah yes, the fabled noncompete
BingoBoingo: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VTSEYM.txt )
Adlai has yet to hear of successful noncompete litigation
mircea_popescu: so Jeong threw some money , which is what he does, a sicrit expert wrote "the engine" and an eager black guy class of 2008 wants to play the danny brewster.
STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile?
Adlai: yes :)
mircea_popescu: depends to what.
STRML: We are nothing but open about what we do and how we do it, with the exception of that cofounder's name
mircea_popescu: right.
STRML: I believe we're a breath of fresh air in the derivatives space, which is dominated by players who barely understand derivatives to begin with
mircea_popescu: by the way, anyone remember reddit ? http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/ << top kek.
assbot: Neo & Bee: the first genuine alternative to traditional banking ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGDKPW )
mircea_popescu: STRML do you understand the space between a claim and a fact ? anyone can say that. in fact, people tend to. this doesn't correlate with anything substantial.
STRML: And we're the only derivs exchange that doesn't do socialized losses. It takes a far different approach to guarantee something like that
STRML: Of course your word means little in the Bitcoin space
STRML: It's a matter of building a reputation and maintaining it. Only way to do that is to consistently be trustworthy over a significant period of time.
mircea_popescu: STRML no, not my word. my word means plenty. your word means little, but for very good reason : 1) you're not in the wot and b) you've not do your reading.
mircea_popescu: done*
STRML: Just because I haven't spent much time on this particular IRC channel doesn't mean that I, and by extension my company, is untrustworthy
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
STRML: But I am happy to enter the WoT
danielpbarron: "Blazedout commissioned a $14,000 art piece. I shipped it first and he followed through with payment as promised." << LOL, Blazedout419 was the sucker?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Isn't he often that?
danielpbarron: :D
kakobrekla: thats all he is really.
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931109
assbot: Nubbins is the type of Plague that destroys this community (video proof thread) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSjMuq )
nubbins`: :o
danielpbarron: i didn't realize he had such a reputation in here! I mostly know about him from when i used to idle in -otc
kakobrekla: no, he is the perfect scam magnet
kakobrekla: one of the rare ones still working.
mircea_popescu: no, that it doesn't. my suspicion is, as far as i'm personally concerned, grounded mostly in the fact that you had no idea that, for instance, mpoe covered ~30k btc worth of derivative losses without "sociualising". this in 2013.
mircea_popescu: see http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ etc.
assbot: MPOE, March 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSk58H )
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's the video proof ?
asciilifeform: btw, re: photos: typical laser cut. some even show signs of raster scan.
nubbins`: he's, uh, coming up with it in the next few days.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah im with kako, they seem to stick to him somehow.
nubbins`: the thread's there so he doesn't need to waste time making it later.
mircea_popescu: oh i see. it'd better be some sort of "leave britny alone!!!1" thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi what posseses someone to take a perfectly valid product and pretend it's something else.
asciilifeform: would someone like to explain why the wood art fellow insists he does not use a laser? (he has photos of lathe, chisel, etc. but those are clearly necessary to forming the basic contours prior to lasering. so no surprise. but why does he deny the use of the laser?)
kakobrekla: cause the lasers dont come out of his eyes
thestringpuller: STRML: Is this channel usually so hostile? << You're asking to put your arm into the woodchipper and we're telling you its not going to be fun if you do.
mircea_popescu: "How many times you look at it. It was clearly carve by a 40 to 60 watts co2 laser. " << i'm with him. looks just about right.
STRML: thestringpuller: Hah you're not wrong at all
mircea_popescu: nubbins` (btw, asciilifeforms been doing a ton of plastic and other matter cutting with an actual laser for cardano project, so... expert testimony)
asciilifeform: a little bit of laser, yes. anyone who has so much as tried a laser cutter will recognize the result in the photo.
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/K0g0N4kl.jpg ahahaha wut. THAT is the proof ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSlPyx )
mircea_popescu: dude i have one of those. I used it recently to fix a door
mircea_popescu: make way for master craftisan / doorartist me.
asciilifeform: imho that thread was merely an elaborate troll.
mircea_popescu: you're too suspicious asciilifeform. most people are actually dumb.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, since doormouse exists, maybe it's time to have doorartist too ? someone using half pound chisels as proof of artisanry?
BingoBoingo: Linux needs to dump Linus girl's story http://pastebin.com/3jAQARCy
assbot: My Statement - Shanley - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSmr7k )
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo always /w da dramatic scoop
mircea_popescu: "Last Thursday, I criticized the Linux community for continuing to support and center a leader with a years-long, documented history of unrepentant abusive behavior, someone who has actively and systematically nurtured a hostile, homogeneous technical community, and someone who has long actively chased people from marginalized groups out of open source."
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Seems to be an especially strong week for drama. I anticipate Moon.
mircea_popescu: this is what linus is. no name, no nothing, anon idiot gets to use his own qualifiers.
mircea_popescu: "The retaliation has been terrifying." << no, it hasn't.
mircea_popescu: not nearly terrifying enough.
STRML: mircea_popescu: Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you do, I didn't realize you were behind MPEx
STRML: My partners are much more tuned into finance and the Bitcoin scene than I am, I handle the web aspects of the service
mircea_popescu: but that's less important. what's more important is, bitcoin has no price signal and you propose to do derivatives. well... got some questions to answer.
BingoBoingo: STRML: Who do you think put the MP in MPEx
BingoBoingo: !up STRML
mircea_popescu: which is why i said "depends to what". if you come in and say "hi guise, remember that problem with the derivatives ? check out this solution i figured out!!!"
mircea_popescu: if the solution is actually good that gets you a spot.
asciilifeform: -dormouse-. hibernates, edible.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no price signal << MP ain't opening the studio up until this is fixed
mircea_popescu: but the usual "hey i made a company which is a website which makes claims which are either trivially falsified or not provable because reasons", well...
mircea_popescu: we get a lot of those.
BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman
asciilifeform: glis glis
STRML: I completely understand what you're getting at
STRML: And it's of course natural not to trust newcomers
mircea_popescu: except we trust newcomers all the time.
STRML: Not much I can do about that. I can get our CEO on here at some point in the near future
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: kid not listening
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2015#982621 << most recently... coupla days ago.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2015 21:55:19; mircea_popescu: ok well, inasmuch undata is new and this isn't really very hard, let him do it then, gain some cred.
mircea_popescu: and there's plenty you can do about that. start with you know, the variety speak.
undata: ahoy! I'll probably have a prototype working on testnet this evening or the next
mircea_popescu: "^ This is a wood lathe, this is how i take square things and make them round." lmao that thread's so adorable.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> -dormouse-. hibernates, edible. < not a big fan but their fat is traditionally used for a buncha medical stuff
mircea_popescu: undata pretty cool
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla buttplugs ?!
kakobrekla: hm?
mircea_popescu: buttplug lube! doormouse blubber!
kakobrekla: the fat? for skin issues and such
mircea_popescu: aha
kakobrekla: joints too i hear.
asciilifeform: iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up
kakobrekla: my grandfather still hunts em in the wild.
mircea_popescu: "You are claiming to be an artisin silkscreener? never new there was such a thing. In that case, i am also an ARTISAN dishwasher, well when my wife is mad anyways. Oh and an Artisan snow shoveler as i have decades of experience with that too. I mean, as long as we are making up names for professions." << you're screwed nubbins`. you know how many times ima link to this ? do you ? DO YOU ? :D
nubbins`: haha
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aren't they trapped ? actually hunted instead ?!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> iirc the romans grew these in jars, fattened, served up << Basically equivalent to American fascination with chicken wings. Eat all of them before going to the Vomitorium.
nubbins`: artisan dope smoker
nubbins`: i don't think he realizes you can silkscreen on things other than t-shirts
kakobrekla: yes, should be more specific, they are trapped
kakobrekla: we still call it 'hunt' though.
mircea_popescu: fu nubbins` that's a real profession. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/istanbul-141.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSp49t )
nubbins`: !
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla for a moment there i had a vision of a tiny dog pack coursing for mice over a tiny field.
kakobrekla: and hand grenades.
mircea_popescu: well, smaller ones. thumb grenades.
kakobrekla: :)
mircea_popescu: cherry bombs lol
BingoBoingo still wants a table salt shotgun for hunting spiders.
asciilifeform: when i lived in a flat with mice, rats, i dreamed of tiny shotguns
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=868954.msg10220254#msg10220254
assbot: Wood Collectors Bitcoin Art ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSpuMM )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tiny arbalest is feasible...
nubbins`: the guy with the 5 day old account says he's legit
kakobrekla: asciilifeform you mean in merrica?
nubbins`: you can tell it's legit because it's almost the same username as the guy who originally commissioned the piece, then vanished without a trace
mircea_popescu: "AND EVEN, if this pieces were carved by a laser... I would still love them and they would still be unique." win.
mircea_popescu: let's not dispute the actual facts in contention but instead spew a ton of emotional bs. that's the way!
mats: BingoBoingo: holy shit, that pastebin is terrible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, in america, the flat i moved out of last may
kakobrekla: well its 17.950 for the wood, 49 shipping and 1 dorra lazering
nubbins`: i think this is my first hate thread
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the DESIGN is unique. except for the part where this old woman whose daughter i used to fuck on occasion had a plastic tablecloth in the same color and pattern.
nubbins`: i'd bet it's free vector clipart
nubbins`: obv no way to prove
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's your own fault tho, you worded it too strong.
mircea_popescu: it
mircea_popescu: a lack of taste is not really a scam
nubbins`: more a misrepresentation than anything
nubbins`: what can i say, grumpy morning 8)
mircea_popescu: but hey, it did get the lulz flowing.
nubbins` nods sagely
mircea_popescu: " I'm not a fool by any means, every great man has a few detractors, Like i have said before."
nubbins`: he puffs himself up so much, hey?
mircea_popescu: vanity, my favourite sin.
fluffypony: https://hashtalk.org/topic/29764/false-light-tortious-interference
assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/181ntcr )
fluffypony: "GAW should be evaluating this SEC investigation troll to see if the conditions are right for a libel suit against the people behind it. A retainer on a case like this would be in the vicinity of $50k - $100k and costs could run to $250k - $500k by the time its done. If such a case is to proceed it will take a minimum of two years, but an injunction against any further disparagement should be sought at once."
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: totally.
BingoBoingo: More Gavin drippings http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2015/01/twenty-megabytes-testing-results.html
assbot: GavinTech: Twenty Megabytes testing results ... ( http://bit.ly/181nDAF )
mod6: oh here we go
mircea_popescu: https://www.sansleaf.com/ << 503 ?
assbot: Error 503: Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1xStXiC )
nubbins`: here's an actual master carver
nubbins`: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Grabovetskiy3.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xSu8dN )
nubbins`: essentially a BFL dildo.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, hand carving mostly consists of doing "the edges" specifically because laser chased them off the flat surface.
nubbins`: yep
mircea_popescu: anwyay, that thread is exactly what one'd expect : everyone with even half a clue, all the way to smoothie saw the same thing i saw. we're not like experts or anything.
nubbins`: content to just let it fester now, with the occasional jab to keep the bees from settling too much
mircea_popescu: "This accusation was started a few hours ago, the bulk of my clients have not even logged in since this who parade of nonsense started." sounds like the social media artisan :D
nubbins`: :D
thestringpuller: LOL Gavin
thestringpuller: HOLY FUCK
nubbins`: the bulk of my clients
thestringpuller: This graph
nubbins`: do your clients need supportive undergarments?
thestringpuller: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CuOEM9uwO5w-RwWGCCZpVGVFwhHHHegxJZqTP5KyapI/edit#gid=0 << mircea_popescu was right about him making block size infinite
mircea_popescu: i was right ?!
mircea_popescu: that like never happens.
thestringpuller: Didn't he say to you, "No one is saying make the block size infinite"
thestringpuller: on contravex or something?
mircea_popescu: o wait, usgavin lied ?!
thestringpuller: and this graph is straight up exponent!!!
mircea_popescu: that like... never happens!
thestringpuller: I KNO RTIE
thestringpuller: USGavin is trustworthy and honest, and the hero bitcoin deserves and needs!!!!!111
thestringpuller: who cares if he killed two kids
mircea_popescu: whoa, dude actually butchered a chunk of berchemia to make his shotgun-cut atrocity ?!
Apocalyptic: heh I see Gavin delivered, as expected
hanbot: haha nubbins`, enjoyed reading you on the warpath
mircea_popescu: o look at that, from the actual expert in the field herself :)
nubbins`: aw, tyvm
mircea_popescu: nubbins` prepare to be famous. i hear you're really a woman ?
mircea_popescu: scientology much ?
nubbins`: hanbot, i indulge too infrequently ;(
nubbins`: mp does this mean pasc is a lesbo?
hanbot: no, it means she's one of your multiple personalities. and a lesbo.
mircea_popescu: it's worse than that. it means... uh... hm.
mircea_popescu: well, worse anyway.
nubbins`: oo
nubbins`: thrilling
ben_vulpes: so my bank shipped a new feature
ben_vulpes: "log into your mobile app with your face"
nubbins`: i was gonna try selling some of our bird books on the forum, but i guess i'll probably let things cool off for a bit
mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe help the idiot kids make a proper gpg contract? that shit's a sore eye by now
ben_vulpes: i recorded a video of my face on biz_partners phone, and played it for the facial recognition shit
ben_vulpes: and it logged me in
nubbins`: ben_vulpes heh
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is insanity ?!
nubbins`: sikyoorady
ben_vulpes: bank claims that this feature is being crammed down their throats by apple for apple pay
mircea_popescu: but.it.is.insanity
ben_vulpes: naw man
ben_vulpes: this is bezzle
mircea_popescu: so anyone can now log into any politician's account ?
nubbins`: bezzle life
ben_vulpes: anyways i tried to do the responsible disclosure thing
mircea_popescu: can i spend kim assdashian's money yet ?
nubbins`: so i lost my username and password for the CRA website (canadian IRS)
nubbins`: do you know it was the most goddamn inconvenient thing in the world to get reset?
ben_vulpes: i'll give it mebbe a week and then release the video
nubbins`: i was actually impressed at how frustrating it was
undata: hilarious
nubbins`: if someone could social engineer that shit, they deserve whatever they find
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait. you played his phone to your phone and it took ?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu gets it
mircea_popescu: no fucking way
ben_vulpes: way fucking way
thestringpuller: yup
mircea_popescu: they didn't as much as put a glare cutoff in there ?!
thestringpuller: fingerprint scanners are the same thing
thestringpuller: you can literally photocopy someones finger
thestringpuller: no need to cut figners off anymore
ben_vulpes: watch me end up in jail for unauthorized access of my own accounts
mircea_popescu: i'm so fucking blown away...
ben_vulpes: bank claims its apple
ben_vulpes: apple refuses to say anything
ben_vulpes: and i can't figure out how to turn it off
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: so wait. i have a humongous library of 2257 notices. prolly tens of k's.
mircea_popescu: does this mean i can log into all the girl's accounts now ?
ben_vulpes: notices?
mircea_popescu: pron thing, the usians came up with this idiotic law that you must make so and so footage of models.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, it includes their mugs. unsurprisingly, anyone ever involved ended up with copies,
ben_vulpes: if their banks are using the thing
mircea_popescu: because people were so petrified they might lose a set.
ben_vulpes: as one should be...
mircea_popescu: the hard problem of back-ups for people who don't crypto.
mircea_popescu: this is beyond stupid.
undata: they'll improve it by proposing chip-in-hand
ben_vulpes: chip in dick
ben_vulpes: dickterprints
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you can continue with that bank.
ben_vulpes: yeah.
ben_vulpes: well hey here's another fun thing
mircea_popescu: i mean, go rape a toddler instead. better off for society.
thestringpuller: people still use banks?
thestringpuller: my grandparents told me to put money under mattress
thestringpuller: and not trust banks
ben_vulpes: apple pay's going to try to gobble all the banks, so if my bank's truthful about it being apple's fault, i'll just end up with the same problem.
thestringpuller: so I've been doing that
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no matter.
mircea_popescu: cause, not effect.
mod6: thestringpuller: they were right, except they didn't figure in fed[ctrl+p]
jurov: really, 10x blocksize increase every 5 years?
mircea_popescu: jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters.
jurov: in past i was arguing in favor of increasing the limit, too.. but no such madness
Apocalyptic: jurov, well reddit wants moon, I guess they got it
mircea_popescu: fork is a bad idea anyway.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu 2257.com available or what?
nubbins`: it's a public service
mircea_popescu: it actually is ?
jurov: i'm surprised gavin isn't considering rule like "allow for blocksize increase if tx fees bigger than some % of coinbase"
jurov: no he must do it in stupidest way possible
mircea_popescu: jurov you realise how easy this is to game ?
mircea_popescu: miner makes a block out of tx with huge fees that he doesn't broadcast. if it goes in, it's in. if not, no loss.
jurov: what? it would be based on lots of past blocks, not only one
mircea_popescu: so ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93068 @ 0.00048435 = 45.0775 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: like difficulty.. i meant is only as illustration as opposed to diddling magic numbers
mircea_popescu: i mine 1k btc as fees. what now ?
BingoBoingo: http://t.co/wyp4DnR3in
assbot: Verizon sprints to crush FiOS account exposure hole • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqLzwu )
mircea_popescu: "XDA senior software developer Randy Westergren said the FiOS API flaw since fixed allowed any account to be accessed by manipulating user identification numbers in web requests." shit sherlock.
jurov: it averages over past 10000 blocks
jurov: what would you gain? to count you'd have to publish the block anyway so that it isn't orphaned
mircea_popescu: i can do it probably ten times in 10k blocks with very little costs.
mircea_popescu: block i publish. the tx however, i don't broadcast.
mircea_popescu: "The app hacker quietly reported the holes to Verizon which issued a fix Friday, two days after it was disclosed, and rewarded Westergren with a year's worth of free internet." << heh, bad deal.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "verizon fired its entire security staff, hired hacker to form a new team" ?
mircea_popescu: "fifty eight men join plumbing school as the notion they will ever be hired to do anything with computers is laughable"
BingoBoingo: Plumbing school admits on its own WoT
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu: i guess that leaves bagging groceries.
BingoBoingo: I mean someone is going to have to vouch you aren't a shithead to get an apprenticeship
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
mircea_popescu: "If anyone reading this believes that a man whose time is worth THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS AN HOUR is going to pick up a chisel for $18/hr, stop reading RIGHT NOW and kill yourself." << i have personally fucked women whose time was actually that sort of money. i bought lunch.
mircea_popescu: THIS HAPPENS NUBBINS`
jurov: mircea_popescu: you would be able to do it only every 100 blocks and since you wouldn't then use external tx fees, rather unprofitable
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't get your logic. why can't i use external tx fees ?
mircea_popescu: i can put anything i want in a block.
jurov: to avoid then lowering the %
jurov: *them
mircea_popescu: not clear why only once in 100, but granted that, 10 btc in fees per block on average is like what, 1mn% more than now ?
mircea_popescu: uh, you want a per tx% ? i thought you just wanted per block aggregate.
jurov: per volume
jurov: % of volume
mircea_popescu: that's even noisier you realise.
mircea_popescu: i put in a satoshi with 1k fee.
jurov: and you wouldn't be able to spend the 1k again in 100 blocks
jurov: or how much it is
mircea_popescu: 120 ? is that just for newly minted coins or fees too ?
jurov: the tx fees go together with newly minted coins afaik
Apocalyptic: well the newly minted coins and the fees are in the same output
mircea_popescu: aha yeah. ok.
mircea_popescu: still, not enough of a hobble.
jurov: *shrug* i can see miners fixing thousands of bitcoins in attempt to raise blocksize, but how feasible scenraion it is, dunno
jurov: *scenario
BingoBoingo: Blocksize http://www.wired.com/2014/06/wuwt-traffic-induced-demand/
assbot: What's Up With That: Building Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqPwkV )
mircea_popescu: jurov make an actual model and i can show you numerically how feasible it is. or otherwise, estimatively, it'd cost about 1 btc to make the blocks any arbitrary size.
mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/TkRbrHp.png da fuck is that ?!
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqQ6ze )
mircea_popescu: incredible what a thing that forum is.
jurov: let's say blocksize is allowed to go up by 10% if > 10% of volume are tx fees in past 2016 blocks (same as difficulty)
mircea_popescu: 10% of volume ?!
mircea_popescu: hory shit, i yield.
jurov: yes, let's be conservative
mircea_popescu: well just don't make it scale down bvy the same formula
mircea_popescu: (tbh such a change is pure gunk, bitcoin will NEVER carry 10% fees, ever. period.)
jurov: why not?
jurov: tx fees will certainly end up higher than now, but how much?
jurov: how much % asks swift?
mircea_popescu: swift is fixed fee.
mircea_popescu: currently tx fees are in the range of 0.000000001% to 0.001%. they will increase, yes. degrees of magnitude, yes. past 1% as an average is unlikely, because alternatives will become lucrative enough. such as you know, people would stop "tipping" etc.
jurov: hm, 1% in current situation means 5-10 BTC per day
jurov: would stay much less than mining reward this century
asciilifeform: bigger roads.. traffic worse << impedence mismatch. see also example, 'belady's anomaly', in computing/electronics
mircea_popescu: jurov the current situationb isn
mircea_popescu: is not the be all-end all to judge things on.
mircea_popescu: a system where 1k btc out of a 15mn currency base moves EACH DAY has exceedingly slow velocity.
mircea_popescu: as btc matures, velocity will approach more reasonable values.
jurov: i dunno if it's possible for the volume to be magnitudes more
mircea_popescu: i would suspect once we've beheaed gavin for things to proceed apace and by 2020 or so to have a more reasonable 50 to 100k move daily, of which that 1% is then maybe 50 btc a day.
mircea_popescu: as this carries on eventuyally fees will exceed block rewards sometime that decade.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Interesting comparison in SimCity. So you plan roads all willy nilly. I like curves yay! Etc. anyhow. traffic starts building up cause your shit ain't planned well.
mircea_popescu: jurov not possible huh ? compare M3 to world trade figures.
thestringpuller: So you upgrade the roads
thestringpuller: to 4 lanes instead of 2
thestringpuller: well guess what the buildings nearby the roads upgrade too
jurov: world trade incl forex ?
mircea_popescu: jurov all trade.
mircea_popescu: all of it. everything.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in real life, the jams begin immediately after the road is widened. because impedence mismatch, elementary. nothing to do with the population around the road, on that timescale.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice the very convenient "uilding Bigger Roads Actually Makes Traffic Worse" just on the tail end of two decades of "we can't actually afford to build anything anymore" and as "we can't really even maintain what we got" sets in.
mircea_popescu: eerilie reminiscent of how "financial discipline" was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s
mircea_popescu: but somehow it's NOT what the us has to do, once the us turned into a cold war ghetto.
thestringpuller: ^- this is essentially simulated in older versions of sim city
thestringpuller: then you start operating on cheat codes
thestringpuller: aka QE
thestringpuller: type "FUNDS" several hundred times
asciilifeform: the traffic-obeying-impedence and other fluid dynamics laws has been known for ages.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea but we don't pay our civil engineers nearly enough, or allocated enough money to design to warrant good roads in this country at least.
danielpbarron: i remember simcity on snes where you had to intentionally get taxed into negative to get the money value to wrap around to 999`999
asciilifeform: 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: but somehow it's not now the case that *I* should waltz in washington and buy the monument for a few bitcents.
mircea_popescu: odd how this "experts agree" thing works.
thestringpuller: how is it odd?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember that ruin you showed me in Timis? asked 'what does it cost', and you said 'you can buy but city hall'll make you clean it'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the definition of an expert is, fundamentally, "one whose judgements are not based on his own circumstance".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't clean it, i'd just host impalement orgies for kidnapped daughters of the "elite" doing whatever women's studies bullshit in college.
mircea_popescu: a decade or two of that should put the country on pretty decent footing.
mircea_popescu: it did in russia, at any rate. romania idem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that -is- cleaning.
mircea_popescu: myeah, i guess so.
BingoBoingo: !b 6
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AZDE3N.txt )
mircea_popescu: check this inane shit out
mircea_popescu: "to take a closer look at the problem. In 2009, two economists—Matthew Turner of the University of Toronto and Gilles Duranton of the University of Pennsylvania—decided to compare the amount of new roads and highways built in different U.S. cities between 1980 and 2000, and the total number of miles driven in those cities over the same period.
mircea_popescu: “We found that there’s this perfect one-to-one relationship,” said Turner.
mircea_popescu: If a city had increased its road capacity by 10 percent between 1980 and 1990, then the amount of driving in that city went up by 10 percent. If the amount of roads in the same city then went up by 11 percent between 1990 and 2000, the total number of miles driven also went up by 11 percent. It’s like the two figures were moving in perfect lockstep, changing at the same exact rate."
mircea_popescu: academics in the scholarly academic topic of correlation is causation.
asciilifeform: get married, grow taller!
mircea_popescu: "when divorce occurence in a population increases by 10%, the per-capita dependent children figure goes up by 10%. when 12%, 12%. clearly, divorce causes fertility."
mircea_popescu: "it's not like we're counting fewer people as a basis or anything"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00047714 = 25.5747 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "nothing substantial has changed anywhere else but where we want you to look. please infer"
mircea_popescu: fucking roadshow circus tricks, wtf.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsea2tJlIm1qcjzz2o1_500.jpg << intelligent, educated young woman doing expert work. in sheer contrast to the idiots quoted above, who suck.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/155tLpj )
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/gavin-andresen-on-future-blockchain-security-i-dunno-lol/
jurov: i gathered velocity of world money is somewhere around 1-2 yearly.. and yes, such velocity means 50-100k BTC/day
ben_vulpes: odd question
ben_vulpes: what's the opposite of a fixed asset?
ben_vulpes: (i suspect that when you increase road surface by 10%, road miles go up far more than that)
jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_asset << opposite of this?
assbot: Fixed asset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1yH00ro )
ben_vulpes: pretty much, jurov
BingoBoingo: http://man.aiju.de/1/fortune
assbot: fortune page from Section 1 of the /1/fortune manual ... ( http://bit.ly/155xljr )
BingoBoingo: looks like plan 9 development is picking up https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/features
assbot: features - plan9front - New features - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155xPGh )
undata: BingoBoingo: google leaning into it?
BingoBoingo: undata: Nah, just some group forked it and is hosting the thing on google code
undata: interesting
BingoBoingo: http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/2014/12/11/0/
assbot: news - 2014 - 12 - 11 - 0 ... ( http://bit.ly/155ysQ9 )
BingoBoingo: Related http://http02.cat-v.org/
assbot: HTTP 0.2 (ie., HTTP 2.0 / 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/155z7kl )
asciilifeform: http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/browse/rc/bin/feminize
assbot: feminize - plan9front - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155z8oG )
BingoBoingo: latest diff https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/source/detail?spec=svn8cd112f650b1e4f831de26631de627465bceb219&r=e263d58bfeda6b441179595bc44d0ef00374c75f
assbot: e263d58bfeda - plan9front - the front fell off - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/155zqvL )
thestringpuller: cazalla be in hiding?
BingoBoingo: Mebbe
joecool: o you guys upgraded the bot
thestringpuller: joecool: kakobrekla upgraded the bot
joecool: thestringpuller: probably for the best, is the db still centralized to the WoT or is it a new system?
thestringpuller: joecool: 2 wotdb's now
thestringpuller: joecool: assbot updates its own wotdb forked from nanotube 's
thestringpuller: so there are now 2 wot's
joecool: thestringpuller: ah, is there a particular reason why it was useful to fork?
thestringpuller: joecool: http://qntra.net/2015/01/assbot-gains-web-of-trust-functionality/
danielpbarron: joecool, everyone else was doing it!
danielpbarron: not gonna let anderpson show us up
thestringpuller: ^- that's a good one :D
joecool: thestringpuller: so does this bot support ratings as well?
joecool: that are stored separate from the original WoT db?
thestringpuller: that's the tl;dr of it
mircea_popescu: so wait, "you must accept MY altchain because otherwise you get a CHOICE of alt chains" ? this is the gavin pro-fork argument ?
mircea_popescu: it's funny what vanity does to people. is he actually blind to how his entire position reduces to "i wish to be relevant, damn the world" ? neat.
asciilifeform: soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ?
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: hard to tell, the one thing cowards and idiots have in common is that both talk the tough talk all the way through.
mircea_popescu: only real difference being the idiots don't have sense enough to chicken out right before the jump
hanbot: commented on his blogspot lol
mircea_popescu: im not gonna blogspot.
thestringpuller: but you'll wordpress?
thestringpuller: hanbot: lemme guess "Congrats on being an idiot gavin" is you?
mircea_popescu: yeah. wordpress is at least open source shit.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: would this be like cartoon where someone threatens to fire nuke. presses button, and out pops confetti and lil' jon yelling "YEAAA BOMBS!!!!" ???
undata: !b 1
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25FG6FV.txt )
mircea_popescu: http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/451/451.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BciBuI )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-board-of-indirectors/
scoopbot: New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-january-15th-2015-statement/
scoopbot: New post on fr.anco.is by davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/bitcointalk-staff/
davout: lesson: don't fuck with your permalinks
mircea_popescu: http://www.avictorian.com/fanlanguage.html << just in case anyone is morbidly curious
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/181INP6 )
mircea_popescu: (yes the fan convention existed)
mircea_popescu: (and this is the author's tit : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Madame_de_Genlis_by_Lemoine.jpg in the good tradition that a woman must show her breasts ifshe wants to be taken seriously).
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/181IXWP )
mircea_popescu: !up Sleepnbum
nubbins`: but it's so oddly placed
mircea_popescu: hand carved bitch
davout: mircea_popescu: haha
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: nah 100% laser
thestringpuller: ;;later tell cazalla send me PM when you get a chance.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: crikey
jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/source/src/init.cpp << source xreference with clickable identifiers
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/181JLLi )
jurov: it will get reorganized, so far only upstream 0.5.3 for testing
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: have you seen much actual derping in public about this nisman thing?
jurov: and it's open for ad space preorders
ben_vulpes: 404, jurov
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me
mircea_popescu: something like, "a bunch of people who appear bussed in, and some derps organizing". ie, it looked to me like astroturf.
jurov: ben_vulpes ahh it's the ersatz hosting
mircea_popescu: but tell you what, da got assassinated by president (there's absolutely no doubt cristina kirschener ordered it, and it was an assassinate) and... no manifestation.,
mircea_popescu: nothing.
mircea_popescu: so i am satisfied that all the "manifestations" are just so much empty theatre.
jurov: was there any idea how to refer to patched releases? i need some handle under which to publish them in lxr
mircea_popescu: mod6 ^
ben_vulpes: jurov: how about you hold off on publishing the patched set for now.
jurov: why?
ben_vulpes: do you plan to run lxr on each patch?
ben_vulpes: or to say, run an lxr instance for each successive patch?
jurov: it does support multiple versions
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: well, nm. ignore me
ben_vulpes: you might consider using the patch names as a handle
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what kinds of "public meetings" happen?
mircea_popescu: you familiar with this thing where a bunch of people holding signs walk or stand ?
ben_vulpes: myeah
mircea_popescu: that.
jurov: i'll return to these patches later, now i have to finally fix the s3 suffering
ben_vulpes: so they're *all* bogus?
mircea_popescu: yes, i believe so.
ben_vulpes: jurov: s3 is suffering
ben_vulpes: on whose dime?
mircea_popescu: govt can print. and does print. which is how it went bankrupt.
mircea_popescu: you can't get me to seriously think that some intricate point of policy yields 500 people holding signs in the street,
ben_vulpes: and will again indubitably
mircea_popescu: and then simple political murder, of the most shameless sort, fails to stir three dudes.
ben_vulpes: oh, this shit goes down for arcane policy points?
mircea_popescu: clearly the population is not naturally represented in this process.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes to get a couple aweek you gotta scrape pretty thin yea ?
ben_vulpes: yeah i think i'm going to hold off on moving to argentina until the next round of food riots clear out.
mircea_popescu: i like food riots.
mircea_popescu: but for the sake of argument, explain to me how exactly is this any less than some derpy cartoonists being shot by some random idiots ?
mircea_popescu: i would expect a degree of magnitude more pressure as a result of this rather than that.
ben_vulpes: fear of those in power?
mircea_popescu: turns out, when a government is the terrorist, all is ok. but if individuals are the terrorists, oh noes, gotta make the press talk of nothing else for a month.
ben_vulpes: spectre of the old regime?
mircea_popescu: well...
mircea_popescu: i am personally in favour of so much individual terrorism until it is inconceivable for the slightest hint of the state doing it,
mircea_popescu: whereas individual terrorism is regarded as ordinary and perhaps welcome.
mircea_popescu: so... love food riots. if president + government get raped and impaled, all the better.
mircea_popescu: hopefully they get replaced, and the replacements get raped and impaled as well.
mircea_popescu: and may this process outlast the century.
hanbot: lol simmer down mp!
mod6: jurov: what is lxr?