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asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3kwpQbVHBo << illustrated.
assbot: Capacitor Welder - Battery tab Welder part 1-2 - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: phun phact: when the seekrit skvirrels in wash. dc weld the manholes shut prior to Führer-motorcade, they just spot-weld little tabs.
asciilifeform: (how i know? they don't always remember to... take them off.)
asciilifeform didn't believe the legend of them actually doing this, until seeing the tabs. they look like pull tabs from soda cans.
Mats_cd03: http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/opinion-analysis-the-triumph-of-the-lanham-act-and-of-federal-private-rights-of-action/
assbot: Opinion analysis: The triumph of the Lanham Act (and of federal private rights of action) : SCOTUSblog
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asciilifeform: http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/11/manhole.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ turns out they used to do proper welds?
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuss is all about
mircea_popescu: so someone kills the president. big deal, bout 50mn unemployed lawyers ready to take over
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imponade.
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asciilifeform: ;;google imponator imponade
gribble: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165>; fogus: The iPad as the Ultimate Imponator: <http://blog.fogus.me/2010/04/18/the-ipad-as-the-ultimate-imponator/>; Erik Naggum - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erik_Naggum>
asciilifeform: damn.
asciilifeform: (it's dumb, of course. a shaped-charge would plasma-jet through the cover, like butter.)
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mircea_popescu: lol top ofthe stack
asciilifeform: it gets rather annoying.
asciilifeform: almost like inhabiting some sort of solipsist hell
mircea_popescu: well what else is paradise.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won’t be as skilled or even as smart — what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes she
mircea_popescu: er need as the motivation to enter the field. second, an unskilled labor force will want job security more than intellectual challenges (to some the very antithesis of job security). third, managing an unskilled labor force means easy access to people who are skilled in whatever is needed right now, not an investment in people — which leads to the conclusion that a programmer is only as valuable as his ability to get
mircea_popescu: another job fast. fourth, when mass markets develop, pluralism suffers the most — there is no longer a concept of healthy participants: people become concerned with the individual “winner”, and instead of people being good at whatever they are doing and proud of that, they will want to flock around the winner to share some of the glory."
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mircea_popescu: the issues of "entrepreneurship" as practiced by the circus could not be better described.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is genius : writing things that are correct as you write them, and then stay correct as later readers apply them to circumstances you could not have foreseen.
mircea_popescu: this is what makes shakespeare relevant, today as in his time. this is also what makes marc andreessen irrelevant today, and permanently.
benkay: we were talking about this in the context of programming user interfaces earlier today. "programmers are just so resistant to formalizing and writing down their problems, preferring instead to just hack at their computers until the have something that sort of works".
benkay: "well of course! there's no IDE for pencil and paper."
asciilifeform: whatever else could be said about herr naggum - the man had actual thoughts.
asciilifeform: and he dealt with problems that are rather familiar to us, if superficially unrelated.
mircea_popescu: the problems of democracy.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/ladies-and-gentlewomen-this-is-the-buttman/
asciilifeform: lol re: lever lock keys
asciilifeform: soviet import?
mircea_popescu: they prolly bought the machines
mircea_popescu: in 1991
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asciilifeform: funny part is, betcha no one alive remembers how to pick these.
mircea_popescu: im sure here they do
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asciilifeform: experience not so different from tasting WD-40 << mircea_popescu clearly tasted the local 'cheese' in usa
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mircea_popescu: :p
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dignork: asciilifeform: do you see a problem with usb-to-usb gadget which will make usb guest read-only?
dignork: it seems rather trivial gadget, but i've never seen it implemented so far
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asciilifeform: dignork: it's a useful gadget. i have one.
asciilifeform: gotta implement the mass storage command stack on both ends - a bit of a bitch
dignork: asciilifeform: bought it or built it?
asciilifeform: built.
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dignork: might be a nice additional product for S.NSA imho
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asciilifeform: dignork: cardano comes with wp dip
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asciilifeform: i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has.
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asciilifeform: for those who don't - many (traditional spindle) drives still have wp jumpers. bring it out to a toggle.
dignork: asciilifeform: i understand the implementation complexity (not too bad), and just wonder how come it's not a marketed thing.
asciilifeform: there are really not many applications that will behave well with this.
asciilifeform: (try booting any os - not patched for this purpose - from a wp'd disk, see what i mean here)
asciilifeform: incidentally, there are commercial incarnations of this. used by official disk diddlers:
asciilifeform: ;;google write blocker
gribble: Computer Forensics Write Blockers - Digital Intelligence: <http://www.digitalintelligence.com/forensicwriteblockers.php>; Write Blockers - Forensics Wiki: <http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Write_Blockers>; Forensic disk controller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_disk_controller>
dignork: but there is much more common use-case, gave a usb disk to colleague to copy a movie w.e, now i need to reformat it...
asciilifeform: sha256sum /dev/sdwhateverthefuck > hash.txt
dignork: or this
asciilifeform: a more interesting fact is that, if you open a consumer usb turd that has a wp toggle, it is - afaik - never connected to the flash rom proper
asciilifeform: but to the microcontroller, which gives os (winblows naturally) an ignorable 'pretty please don't write.'
asciilifeform: (why? ask the folks responsible, not me...)
dignork: cheaper than to add usb-to-usb host with additional logic
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: no need to add another micro
asciilifeform: every flash rom comes with a 'we' pin
dignork: re: booting, if gizmo emulates CD-ROM it might work
asciilifeform: dignork: sandisk used to make a line of usb micros called 's3', that had this feature
asciilifeform: no longer sold
asciilifeform: but they're still common
asciilifeform: strike that
asciilifeform: U3
asciilifeform: http://u3-tool.sourceforge.net/
assbot: u3_tool - Tool for controlling U3 drives
dignork: U3 had wp? I had one, no switch
dignork: no hardware switch i mean
asciilifeform: no switch. but has magic partition that enumerates as cdrom
asciilifeform: writeable with that tool only
asciilifeform: so, not really hardware wp. kernel level turd can (and will) diddle an u3 partition
asciilifeform: but for 'civilian' use, adequate
asciilifeform: afaik, u3 was phased out because win-xp will autorun any volume that mounts as optical disk, to this day.
asciilifeform: i've a 'you could have been owned' stick i like to lend to xp users.
asciilifeform: (pops up happy box)
asciilifeform: it, incidentally, isn't a u3 stick. but a much earlier (circa '03?) chipset for which i found docs
asciilifeform: likewise enumerates as optical disk.
dignork: neat, it had password protection
asciilifeform: good gift for folks contemplating but not yet escaped from microshit.
asciilifeform: for the innocent: most usb flash drives have reprogrammable micros, with various amounts of code space.
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davout: "The first thing they could do would be to double-spend already confirmed transactions. For example, they could send some bitcoins to an exchange, trade them for dollars, wire the dollars to their bank account, and then announce a longer blockchain where the transfer to the exchange never happened. Now they have dollars and bitcoins." <<< such braindamage
davout: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/06/13/centralized-mining/
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation
davout: oh shit, it's actually the second part that's retarded
davout: "There are some practical problems with carrying out that attack, though. They are likely to get caught, because it is impossible to wire money to a bank account anonymously. It seems very likely they would find themselves in legal trouble for defrauding the exchange."
dub: I like the css on that page, makes the blue hyperlink text not actually be a link
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nubbins`: what's all this about me unrating
nubbins`: oh, Blazedout419
nubbins`: ;;rated Blazedout419
gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.
nubbins`: ^
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asciilifeform: unrelated to anything whatsoever: http://lamat.me
assbot: Lamat - Log
asciilifeform: e.g. http://lamat.me/video/BD.html
assbot: Breathing Dildo
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dignork: asciilifeform: http://www.myresearch.lt/blog/time/time.phtml
assbot: Measurement of changes of relative time density - Blog of Aleksey Zaitsevsky
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asciilifeform: that one's classic, tried it myself
asciilifeform: (same neg result)
asciilifeform: 'Was born in february of 1979 in city Kiev (the USSR), grew disobedient. Favourite toys: designer's sets and matches.'
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has. << not so.
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mircea_popescu: !up jeff___
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i eventually found out - device in its simplest form (simply deny write) - is commercially available (if expensive, for reasons of golden toilet.)
mircea_popescu: re davout's link , "take the time to run bitcoind and p2pool." << running any recent bitcoind is much worse for bitcoin than mining on ghash
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mircea_popescu: yea well.
mircea_popescu: davout but that aside i dun see much problem with it. gavin is copying the sec, hard to find fault even should you be so inclined.
asciilifeform: cookbook: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-and-Effective-USB-Write-Blocker
assbot: Cheap and Effective USB Write Blocker
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asciilifeform: hence 'everybody who wants, has'
asciilifeform: just have to want enough.
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mircea_popescu: well these are not the same.
mircea_popescu: every horny teenager has a harem
mircea_popescu: they only have to... want enough ?
asciilifeform: unlike gurlz, widgets don't wiggle away if you're inept. persistence can substitute for talent in the case of trivial problem, hence the existence of 'instructables', 'make', et al.
asciilifeform checks inventory. no harem, but plenty of custom gizmos of every variety.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but 'everybody who wants, has' ; 'just have to want enough'. ergo, not everyone who wants has.
asciilifeform: should've been more specific - yes
asciilifeform: picture if you could crib harem source code.
asciilifeform: (betcha there'd still be annoying buggers who 'bah, it won't build!')
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mircea_popescu: betcha there'd be just the same folks as today for whom itwon't build.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;google just power cycle machine no idea going on
gribble: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/>; Why won't my perpetual motion machine work?: <https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm>; Reviews of Cycling Science | cycling science: <http://cyclingandscience.com (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ok. do i need to say any more ?
asciilifeform would build.
mircea_popescu: sauce being of course tom knight, http://catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html#id3141171
assbot: Some AI Koans
asciilifeform: i think everybody alive knows that tale
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile google thinks it's mine.
mircea_popescu: 1 and 2 in serp.
mircea_popescu: this is why never to trust google as an arbiter of relevancy.
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/search?q=tom+knight+keyboard&tbm=isch
assbot: tom knight keyboard - Google Search
mircea_popescu: http://i.vimeocdn.com/video/464650250_640.jpg ?
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: wrong knight...
mircea_popescu: :D
asciilifeform: the latter (smbx) keyboards were castratos compared to knight's
asciilifeform: (pictured here - not mine, though i own both - http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics1.jpg)
assbot: 404 Not Found
asciilifeform: ^ lol, loads fine here
mircea_popescu: the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.
mircea_popescu: So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the “elite” that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word “exist” derives from “to step forth, to stand out”.
mircea_popescu: i like naggum.
asciilifeform doing his best to help zombie-naggum keep walking, since '10.
mircea_popescu: guy shoulda definitely been more of a narcisist.
mircea_popescu: "the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.
mircea_popescu: So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the “elite” that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word “exist” derives from “to step forth, to stand out”." << this, incidentally, is why the same splooge tries to
mircea_popescu: discourage exceptional people from vanity.
asciilifeform: hah, he was despised by half of c.l.l. for 'self-important prick'
mircea_popescu: so that they stupidly kill themselves, a la naggum.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't he die of neglected ulcer ?
asciilifeform: aye
mircea_popescu: that's not narcisism.
mircea_popescu: hypochondria is narcisism.
asciilifeform: but hell only knows, he had other reasons to waste away than the idiots and their blather. dumped his girl shortly before found dead, too (her blog is linked somewhere in there)
mircea_popescu: nobody ever does anything because the idiots.
asciilifeform never once spoke to naggum, can't freud him
mircea_popescu: however! he still shoulda been more narcissistic.
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asciilifeform: can't help but suspect that he'dve turned up here if he still walked.
asciilifeform: http://naggum.no
assbot: Erik Naggum - Welcome
asciilifeform: ^ his site. alive
asciilifeform: as he left it.
mircea_popescu: yea, prolly to bitch at kako
asciilifeform: naggum's best work, unfortunately (or...) is unpublished - still likely grinding away at - oil refineries, weather bureaus, dark halls of norwegian finance, etc...
asciilifeform: http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html
assbot: Erik Naggum A Long, Painful History of Time
asciilifeform: ^ his longest published monograph, afaik
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asciilifeform: http://open.salon.com/blog/kent_pitman/2010/01/08/erik_naggum_on_atlas_shrugged
assbot: Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon
asciilifeform: ^ posthumous letter, published by friend
asciilifeform: http://perpelle.wordpress.com/artikler-og-leserinnlegg/erik-naggum-in-memoriam
assbot: Erik Naggum in memoriam | Pernille Nylehns blog
asciilifeform: ^ his girl
asciilifeform: this should be enough to satisfy.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete views on one of the pastebins ? 190. the other ? 201.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: o there you are.
mircea_popescu: guess which got the head start and which is the funny one.
bitcoinpete: impecable timing, as ever
bitcoinpete: people like funny
bitcoinpete: o wait, the nonfunny one got more
bitcoinpete: a well
bitcoinpete: still within 5%
mircea_popescu: 500 strong community :D
mircea_popescu: i guess they share a lot of screens
bitcoinpete: the best is how they pretend i never called them out
bitcoinpete: tweeting about the importance of instagram minutes later
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/michaelterpin/status/477524415245459457
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bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: you're surely used to this "if i pretend not to notice" routine
bitcoinpete: coindesk kid did the same
bitcoinpete: at least maidsafe and bitgo left a comment on the blog
bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/477667207158054912
assbot: 1/A few thoughts on timing and staging of capital into modern tech startups -- start with fact that 2003-20011 seed rounds were ~$500K-1M.
bitcoinpete: ^ marc is starting to clue into inflation
bitcoinpete: "In effect, a $3-5M seed round or a $3-5M "New Series A" is a recreation of the original conception of an A round from historical VC."
mircea_popescu: no, just having problems managing capital.
bitcoinpete: used to be $500k, now $5m
mircea_popescu: too much of it.
bitcoinpete: which is a problem of inflationary currency, n'est pas?
mircea_popescu: if anything, start-up rounds need to be more now, not less. because it costs WAY less now for a couch surfing founder to start his company.
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mircea_popescu: in fact, it costs so little he doesn't even need horowitz. nor does he have any reason to talk to them. which he doesn't.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other end of the chasm, there's billions nobody wants.
mircea_popescu: it's so bad your INTERN for a vc won't consider deals under 1mn
mircea_popescu: and so, the stupid meets the lazy : nobody wants to admit the fiat paper is pointless ; horowitz least of all.
mircea_popescu: nobody wants to admit the entrepreneur does no more need the financier. horowitz least of all.
bitcoinpete: so we get beats, the next uber
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assbot: RainMan28 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up RainMan28
RainMan28: thanks mircea_popescu
punkman: http://adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com/
assbot: A Dark Room
mircea_popescu: RainMan28 gotta get in that wot.
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/e59481f0ee5e96c1d1f3e7f38efb98d0/tumblr_n5da5cBOs31s9e2ofo1_500.jpg
RainMan28: mircea_popescu: dat exclusive level 2 wot
assbot: ronkrt +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
punkman: strange that a text adventure hit #1 on the app stores
punkman: guess some people still have taste
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.076 = 0.76 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0756 = 0.756 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.076497 = 0.459 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.077 = 1.848 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.07697311 = 4.0026 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.077 = 0.693 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: punkman: lol, game has... inflation.
bitcoinpete: http://www.cnet.com/news/paraplegic-uses-mind-controlled-exoskeleton-to-kick-off-world-cup/
assbot: Paraplegic kicks off World Cup with mind-controlled exoskeleton - CNET
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.077 = 0.924 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.077 = 0.924 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02418499 = 0.1209 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0008178 = 14.1479 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.01990023 = 0.2985 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.077 = 1.232 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00081819 = 17.9184 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.077 = 0.847 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.002031 = 0.2031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36776 @ 0.00081967 = 30.1442 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07824503 = 0.2347 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0787 = 1.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0241 = 0.2651 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.04405928 = 0.9693 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0199001 = 0.398 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.04405928 = 0.4406 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0199004 = 0.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02418499 = 0.2177 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0835 = 4.175 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0835 = 2.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.20996409 = 8.1886 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 295 @ 0.00200266 = 0.5908 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0835 = 0.4175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 51 @ 0.20368626 = 10.388 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.20020009 = 1.8018 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.200101 = 20.0101 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20015 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.08083266 = 0.97 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07600022 = 0.228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07600024 = 0.988 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0759 = 1.0626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07584444 = 0.6826 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07943452 = 1.5887 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 416 @ 0.00183911 = 0.7651 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.08389599 = 2.5169 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.08399994 = 2.856 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 29 @ 0.02851379 = 0.8269 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.08155999 = 8.156 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00081653 = 18.8618 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35782 @ 0.00081558 = 29.1831 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08200006 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.082 = 1.968 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.08036153 = 5.2235 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40465 @ 0.00081547 = 32.998 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_kfOsQNwg4 <- LEGO recreation of a working Brückenlegepanzer Biber (tank that deploys its own bridge to cross a stream) - thought you'd enjoy it
assbot: Bridge laying tank Biber - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.08 = 0.64 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.08 = 8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07937975 = 2.302 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0790001 = 0.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.07900021 = 1.501 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07949977 = 0.7155 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949899 = 0.159 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.07997333 = 5.998 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.08 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0285002 = 0.57 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00081695 = 7.6793 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.079 = 7.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.02032999 = 0.4066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.02033 = 0.4066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2000 @ 0.00019996 = 0.3999 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1065 @ 0.00019999 = 0.213 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 7000 @ 0.0002 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 831 @ 0.0002 = 0.1662 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0789996 = 1.027 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0789995 = 0.553 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.079 = 1.817 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0789995 = 0.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.079 = 0.869 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [+]
fluffypony: how is Farming Simulator 14 in the top 100 paid games on the iPad
fluffypony: I guess Farmville lives on in perpetuity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07899999 = 0.237 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07899999 = 3.397 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.079 = 4.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.079 = 1.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07899999 = 0.869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00081712 = 5.7607 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4721 @ 0.00081973 = 3.8699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.0008188 = 18.0545 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07899999 = 0.869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.079 = 1.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.079 = 0.395 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: ym is a farmer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.079 = 1.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: erik naggum's memorial is fucking sad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.0008165 = 2.1637 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: and so we return to stardust
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.' << 'dis spark plugs?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07899999 = 0.948 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0788999 = 0.789 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 30 @ 0.06612998 = 1.9839 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0788999 = 0.2367 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this :
mircea_popescu: 1. somewhere on b-a website there's a text form where people can submit random text up to say 16kb in length. this all goes into db.
mircea_popescu: 2. once every 512 seconds, submitted text is checked. all that is clearsigned content by signatures in assbot's l2 gets bundled together, hashed and the hash is included in a special tx through which b-a pays 1 btc to itself with a decent miner fee
mircea_popescu: 3. once this tx gets 1 confirm, assbot makes an announcement here. "statements from mircea_popescu, mike_c, kakobrekla : b-a.com/registrar/blockxxx"
mircea_popescu: that way we have a quite useful registrar of deeds
mircea_popescu: if financing ever becomes a problem can always charge people who do over say 2 a month X btc for using it.
punkman: mircea_popescu: instead of sending 1btc back and forth, it should make a provably unspendable tx
mircea_popescu: why ?
punkman: less stuff in the blockchain
punkman: also miners don't have to keep it in the unspent transactions list
mircea_popescu: how is it less stuff in blockchain ?
mircea_popescu: also, check out this slut : http://38.media.tumblr.com/b416d816f341a5e8f9d709f89b2e0243/tumblr_n5sjuvtgBr1rdsufgo3_250.gif
mircea_popescu: we shall be seeing more of her during today.
mircea_popescu: punkman a tx is a tx, whether unspendable or not it's the same length no ?
punkman: I think the script is shorter for the unspendable tx
punkman: not having to keep it in unspent tx list is the more important part as I understand it
mircea_popescu: if that's true i doubt it's significant tbh
punkman: but not like you'll be making tons of them anyway
punkman: yeah
mircea_popescu: well, it's definitely the blockchain-friendliest approach, seeing as only a hash is stored in the first place. moreover, i don't see how nonspendable tx helps anything other than pruning
mircea_popescu: and i have mixed feelings on pruning and checkpoints
punkman: and in the interest of not writing things twice, assbot could send each bundle hash here http://www.proofofexistence.com/developers
assbot: Proof of Existence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081537 = 25.5211 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: or they could have joined assets a year or so ago. either way.
mircea_popescu: i'm not checking some random site i never heard about fwiw.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's roughly the system you describe - it stores a hash of a document in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's missing two key ingredients, the most important one being - done by people i trust.
mircea_popescu: this notion that anyone can randomly decide they'll now develop things works fine for weblogs or w/e
fluffypony: the nice thing is that they have an API for storing and verifying
fluffypony: plus
fluffypony: https://github.com/maraoz/proofofexistence
assbot: maraoz/proofofexistence GitHub
mircea_popescu: the other one is that they don't maintain the records.
fluffypony: just run it on your own metal
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem.
mircea_popescu: well kako is more than welcome to fork it or w/e if he likes the code. tech decision.
mircea_popescu: i'm not putting their name in the spec tho.
fluffypony: it's been a year since Kingston released a 1tb HyperX Predator flash drive, I can't believe no other manufacturer has one yet
mircea_popescu: what's it do ?
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/b86b711e63fd2709b3d5bf8906e11cd9/tumblr_n5sjuvtgBr1rdsufgo1_250.gif day's slut, 2/x
mircea_popescu: wait wait, nobody else has a 1tb drive ?
pankkake: samsung, crucial, sandisk have
pankkake: so UR WRONG
mircea_popescu: http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-trade-External-Portable-Silver/dp/B005EGXY4Y
assbot: Amazon.com: U32 Shadow™ 1TB External USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive (Silver): Computers & Accessories
mircea_popescu: or w/e
pankkake: oh you mean usb flash drive
fluffypony: flash drive
fluffypony: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81cZ%2B1fyHpL._SL1500_.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/victorinoxs-1tb-usb-esata-ii-drive-fingers-on/ ahahaha look who made one
assbot: Victorinox's 1TB USB / eSATA II drive fingers-on
punkman: lol "An interesting addition to these drives is a small LCD display on the side that might at some point show meaning information, but sadly ours only boasted the 1TB size."
mircea_popescu: lol
Mats_cd03: wat
fluffypony: so that was announced but never released?
mircea_popescu: weird huh
punkman: https://twitter.com/Stephkegels/media <- day's slut
assbot: Steph Kegels (Stephkegels) auf Twitter
punkman: those are some good hips
mircea_popescu: not bad lol. invite her over.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BouzvAOCYAA_jmQ.jpg:large lolk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0788999 = 0.3156 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0788999 = 0.2367 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.079 = 1.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.079 = 1.738 BTC [+]
punkman: ohey found the video from those gifs: http://xhamster.com/xembed.php?video=3060693
punkman: there are people in the library
mircea_popescu: yep
mircea_popescu: and she's doing 2quite the show
mircea_popescu: curse you for spoiling my planned drip release
mircea_popescu: DAMMIT YOU CAN HAZ NO CONTENT CONTROL WITH THEZE INTERNET KIDS TODAY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.079 = 1.422 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 119 @ 0.07999991 = 9.52 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: if anyone's interested, I'm looking for someone to buy a $900 item (aforementioned flash drive) on Amazon for me and ship it to me, will pay in Bitcoin and also pay for the effort
mircea_popescu: no amazon deliveries to SA ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: only for a few items
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <moiety> i do but there's a lot of time left
fluffypony: DVDs and books mostly
mircea_popescu: hammer her when she comes back.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0795 = 1.0335 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey there moiety :D
moiety: hello all, I'm really sorry for my lack of presence this past little while, had some problems with moving. I'm trying my hardest to not be offline.
moiety: hiya mircea_popescu how are you?
fluffypony: OMG YES MOIETY WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN
fluffypony: also how is the sex weeks flat?
moiety: BRI haven't heard of Malcom btw mircea_popescu, i was going to dig a little, if you wanted
moiety: fluffypony: I love it, it's amazing! but i got stuck in the empty old flat for a few days and haven't had internet here. I've moved half hour drive away in the smallest car you can buy i think and me and mum aren't exactly weight lifters lol how are you? :D
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 170 @ 0.07930587 = 13.482 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: I'm excellent tks :)
mircea_popescu: moiety it's fine, thanks. case closed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, mind buying a disk for fluffypony on amazon and reshipping it ?
moiety: old flt finally emptied completely yesterday. i felt broken after it lol
fluffypony: moiety: from earlier - fluffypony: if anyone's interested, I'm looking for someone to buy a $900 item (aforementioned flash drive) on Amazon for me and ship it to me, will pay in Bitcoin and also pay for the effort
moiety: sure what disc?
fluffypony: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00E65QM8O/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all
assbot: 500 Service Unavailable Error
moiety: ahh kk i still ickle behind on logs
mircea_popescu: ;;rated moiety
gribble: You have not yet rated user moiety
mircea_popescu: whar ?!
fluffypony: find the cheapest new one in that list
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0795 = 1.749 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate moiety 2 Good secretary and logistics mastergirl.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user moiety has been recorded.
moiety: :D tyvm
mircea_popescu: hehe
moiety: fluffypony: $894.99 & FREE Shipping
fluffypony: moiety: does that definitely ship to you, afaik?
punkman: watch out for customs, although amazon.com sometimes estimates it on checkout and let's you prepay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.079 = 3.16 BTC [-]
moiety: yeah i'm just signing in to go over it all
fluffypony: ok cool beans
fluffypony: also have you setup a Bitcoin wallet yet?
moiety: 1MoiEtY7kGWwxr7isWhS492gXJZqGUbWFy << :D its even a speshul one ... kk so that one isn't the best deal imo, lemme dig a little more
fluffypony: kk
moiety: though i didn't mean the E and Y to be giant
fluffypony: lol
moiety: >.>
mircea_popescu: spells out mey
mircea_popescu: could be worse
mircea_popescu: btw, you didn't generate that unsafely over some sort of shady provider did you ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07949999 = 0.3975 BTC [+]
moiety: no, generated all by myself :D
moiety: vanitygen + cmd is ok isn't it?
fluffypony: yes
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: dude you have some hash then :D
fluffypony: and to double check - you're backing up your wallet.dat and/or you have your privkey written down and stored somewhere away from your house?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: my 1spagni vanity addy took like 4 hours with vanitygen - 7 letters takes it up to like 1-2 days, 8 letters you need oclvanitygen
moiety: fluffypony: ok so you save about £57 getting it from the us but it will take longer
fluffypony: yeah I'll pay the extra
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07949999 = 0.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07949999 = 1.3515 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: btw if anyonestill has a forum acct, ask that brucexie guy to drop bysometime
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07949999 = 1.431 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0018501 = 0.2498 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >Dude you created an account just to come here and troll, at least have the decency not to hide your real account. Our little section of Bitcoin is doing just fine, OgNasty is one of the most upstanding members of the Bitcoin community. To come here and claim he is running some type of scam is ridiculous. You seem to have already climbed back into your hole, please stay there.
kakobrekla: apparently i still have one.
kakobrekla: o wait no
kakobrekla: Sorry kako, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
kakobrekla: You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com .
mircea_popescu: herp
mircea_popescu: isn't this most upstanding member that dork that came here a coupla years ago to try and troll anonymously
mircea_popescu: but then forgot all about how handles work ?
kakobrekla: that does sound familiar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07949999 = 0.477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00082036 = 14.1512 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you know it just occurs to me, the democratic political process and open source software have a shitload in common.
mircea_popescu: the only reason shit like the openssh was full of is even getting fixed at all is that it costs nothing to alter code.
mircea_popescu: if you had to pay fiddy bux to edit github bleedin' heart would still be there and a bunch of dorks all over the web would be explaining how it's not really that bad
mircea_popescu: policies already in place cost about that much to change and it's how it works.
mircea_popescu: both methods of organising labour are utterly horrible for anyone interested in quality work. they do deliver a very extensive array of crap
mircea_popescu: unfortunately... it's generally very crappy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949999 = 0.159 BTC [+]
moiety: message sent to brucexie
mircea_popescu: aty
fluffypony: bbiab
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.07949999 = 5.8035 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: mircea_popescu: policies already in place cost about that much to change and it's how it works.// people manage to believe that free stuff exists
chetty: example: oh boy I got HUGE tax return = free money, completely ignoring that is the gubermint returning your money they took
mircea_popescu: this is a point
mircea_popescu: kinda how the hunter-gatherer brain is wired. FREE BERRIES!
mircea_popescu: other later sedimentary strata of the brain have trouble talking through the barrage of endorphin release
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0018501 = 0.2498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07949999 = 0.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949999 = 0.159 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07949999 = 0.2385 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you'll never guess what these guys quoted me for 1k cards btw.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.04405928 = 0.1322 BTC [-]
fluffypony: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: hmm, nope!
nubbins`: $75 ;D
mircea_popescu: yeah. like $115
mircea_popescu: im gonna get it just to see wtf 100 bux buys you. but srsly, if they can deliver atthat price you prolly should move your whole operation down here
mircea_popescu: sink teh world.
nubbins`: heheh
nubbins`: my time is still $45/hr even in .ar
mircea_popescu: i would guess that principally depends on what 45 buys you.
fluffypony: what do I pay my guy
fluffypony: I just did 2 sets of cards (1k each)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00082042 = 12.5524 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: matt finish
fluffypony: and it was £72 (design + printing)
fluffypony: plus shipping from England, but that's relatively negligible
nubbins`: see, business cards are exactly the wrong thing to silkscreen
nubbins`: so much manual work for something so tiny
fluffypony: yep
mircea_popescu: ah i c
mircea_popescu: this is just the offset. apparently you can't get special tints in digital
mircea_popescu: but i tell you by the way... i've seen some machinery on that hunt... this whole town's half a museum
mircea_popescu: except they still run the exhibitions.
nubbins`: i'd say one could dredge up some old letterpress machines down there if one had some time to kill
nubbins`: anyway, yeah, silkscreen beats digital when you get into poster sizing
nubbins`: 18x24" digital-print poster: $15+ per print
nubbins`: silkscreen: ~$4ea in quantity
nubbins`: (quantity being like 2 dozen)
nubbins`: i was actually reading a gabriel garcia marquez story the other day where the guy talks about "a beautiful four-color poster"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00082058 = 0.7796 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (3 * 2.5 * 1000) / (18*24*24)
gribble: 0.72337962963
mircea_popescu: should be about the same thing no ?!
nubbins`: surface-area, yeah
nubbins`: cutting is the killer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o it is ?
mircea_popescu: id have thought thats mostly automated
fluffypony: ;;later tell moiety Let me know costs re: the flash drive and I'll send BTC to cover, and then once it arrives we can sort out re-shipping and your time. Thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: you can get electric/hydraulic cutters
nubbins`: but all the placement etc is still by hand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07949999 = 1.272 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: nuts
nubbins`: so little margin for error
nubbins`: your business card is cut 0.125" off-center, the card looks like shit
mircea_popescu: they managed to make printers autofeed 30 years ago
mircea_popescu: but placement for cutting is still done by hand ?!
nubbins`: true story
mircea_popescu: nuts.
nubbins`: now, there are back-stops you can use for consistency
nubbins`: but cuttong a 15x22" sheet down to business card size, you gotta keep moving the backstop
mircea_popescu: i got news for you : if your injet desktop printer prnts .1 off center, it also looks like shit
nubbins`: ^ this is true
nubbins`: best you could manage would be to get a stack cutter and slice a stack of sheets all at once
nubbins`: but it's all finicky work
nubbins`: we have a 24" guillotine cutter, anything bigger than that requires a ruler and x-acto
fluffypony: ah, so you'd struggle with circumcising me then - good to know
fluffypony: :-P
nubbins`: OH YOU
nubbins`: bbl checking out the iceberg
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/BrreQNr
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07949999 = 1.272 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0795 = 2.703 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0795 = 3.5775 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/282496/this_is_ridiculous_andreas_antonopoulos_i_will/
assbot: This is RIDICULOUS. Andreas Antonopoulos, I will personally pay you 25BTC if start the conversation on Eliminating Pools & Solo Miners w/ frequent payouts... : Bitcoin
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: lol lol lol
mircea_popescu: lmao
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/284epj/i_never_mined_the_bitcoin_or_other_alt_im/ and this is in the top posts too…
assbot: I never mined the Bitcoin or other alt. I'm investing into Petamine just to fight against CEX/GHash.IO : Bitcoin
pankkake: reddit, the actual reason to sell your bitcoins
mircea_popescu: pankkake methinks you take the internet too literally.
mircea_popescu: perhaps i should make an illustration of this brb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3056 @ 0.00081496 = 2.4905 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21701382 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6619 @ 0.00081496 = 5.3942 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: "I think it's funny that people think a bitcoin subreddit is the center of the bitcoin universe"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07949015 = 3.9745 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07949999 = 0.954 BTC [+]
penguirker: New blog post: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/11/bitcoin-is-sedition/
pankkake: http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2014/06/deprecated.html => this is worse
assbot: Bitcoinism: Deprecated
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07949999 = 0.318 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet created: "King Felix to Reign MLB Strikeouts" http://bitbet.us/bet/943/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00081496 = 3.2191 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07949999 = 0.2385 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00081496 = 3.9933 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0301 = 0.1204 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-just-about-everyone-on-the-internet/
assbot: This is just about everyone on the Internet pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where'd you get the dervish ?
asciilifeform can't help but wonder re: the purpose of the road cone.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu that, on the screen, is not the internet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07802441 = 1.0923 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, an INVESTOR SITE
mircea_popescu: http://affluentinvestor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Basement-dweller.png
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, it's not. but IT THINKS IT IS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.88620772 BTC to 8`819 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: fluffypony: Brückenlegepanzer << neato
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07948886 = 0.159 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share
moiety: omg mobile broadband sucks for gribbling
moiety: fluffypony: couple different options, i'll make a wee paste and pm it to you
asciilifeform noticed first 'in anger' test of stabilizer - mains went out for ~1s, ups (upstream of stab) didn't even notice. plenty of joules in the xformer's magnetic field...
asciilifeform: *downstream
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-just-about-everyone-on-the-internet/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.07949246 = 1.8283 BTC [+] {4}
moiety: asciilifeform: re cats digging, there is a UK comedian (Eddie Izzard) who says cats are drilling (purring) and digging when they are behind the sofa lol in actuality, i think people can confuse digging for taking care of their claws. re covering their mess, incidentally they don't do this when they want to show who is boss in a household.
asciilifeform: moiety: this was probably correct. no traces of a cat tunnel were visible afterwards.
asciilifeform: moiety: cat in question, incidentally, isn't tame. won't come near people - but does hang out on my porch often.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23182 @ 0.00081797 = 18.9622 BTC [+]
moiety: probably cus you don't bother him. would make sense for more feral cats to do the not covering of their mess also.
asciilifeform: moiety: these beasts do bury their turds, but mark territory
asciilifeform: ;;google felinine
gribble: Felinine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felinine>; Felinine: a urinary amino acid of Felidae.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8590373>; Felinine: a urinary amino acid of Felidae - ScienceDirect.com: <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0305049195001301>
asciilifeform: it doesn't bother me (grew up in a place with, possibly, more feral cats than people)
moiety: to get cats away, people put down anti-freeze because its sweet to cats D; half burying a 2l bottle half filled with water on it's side will discourage them without death
asciilifeform: moiety: on the contrary, more cats, the better
moiety: asciilifeform: sounds fab! apparently feral cats here are breeding out the true bobcat
asciilifeform is fond of cats, even if one can only look at them
moiety: are you allergic?
asciilifeform: nope
moiety: why can't you have one?
asciilifeform: moiety: last i heard, it was the felis silvestris that was hybridizing with the domestic, rather than bobcat
moiety: o i mean our native scottish bobcat
asciilifeform: that'd be, afaik, felis silvestris
asciilifeform: ancestor of the domestic
asciilifeform: http://wordcustard.squidoo.com/scottish-wildcat
asciilifeform: ^ him
moiety: ah yeah
moiety: well, it's like semi ferals... like farm cats and country cats
asciilifeform: these are 'compatible' with regulation cat.
moiety: there are people going around neutering ferals so stop them cross breeding
moiety: http://www.scottishwildcats.co.uk/imagesgeneral/scottishwildcat.jpg
asciilifeform actually found out about silvestris interbreeding with housecat from... erik naggum
asciilifeform: moiety: have you tamed one of these animals ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00082015 = 2.5015 BTC [+]
moiety: i've never seen one personally D; i've been mid-scotland for a decade, til moving recently
moiety: the more north/rural you go here, the less cats behave like your usual housecat. somuch roaming the wilderness in all weathers for them
moiety: actually, same goes for the people....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07949997 = 0.2385 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07949997 = 0.8745 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: moiety: why can't you have one << sadly i lack the skills, time, resources to care for a second pet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 115 @ 0.07949999 = 9.1425 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: asciilifeform: what's your primary pet? (please say your laser)
asciilifeform: woman
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.079999 = 4 BTC [+]
moiety: ah
moiety: but they are meant to look after you!
asciilifeform: sorta does, aye
moiety: apparently cats ==women anyway http://www.joke-archives.com/dogs/catsanddogs.html
chetty: lost wallets, pfft. IRS can top that http://online.wsj.com/articles/irs-provides-more-emails-in-conservative-group-targeting-probe-1402684543
assbot: IRS Says Official's Emails Were Lost in Computer Crash - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07999999 = 1.28 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: chetty: is this kind of paperwork ever not conveniently 'lost' ?
asciilifeform: 'we accidentally the evidence'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 63 @ 0.08 = 5.04 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: yeah but emails?? who in the hell would believe that?
asciilifeform: moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdW_bKkmQVo << consider moving, like mircea_popescu, to south america...
assbot: Ocelot - Tigrillo - YouTube
moiety: asciilifeform: amazing markings! especially the ears. isn't it fascinating how all cats no matter feral-ness or genus do the rubbing against your legs for attention?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
moiety: ;; later tell unbalanced thanks :D homemade is always better http://imgur.com/a/vmd8a#2 :D we do need something to soak up the whisky lol
assbot: baking - Imgur
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.079 = 7.9 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: moiety: i suspect that ocelot is quasi-tame (lives on the dock, fed fish?)
moiety: asciilifeform: certainly doesn't behave so feral, grumbling away for more petting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07880119 = 2.1276 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13326 @ 0.0008175 = 10.894 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8924 @ 0.00081596 = 7.2816 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.078399 = 3.9983 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.078999 = 0.948 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07899999 = 0.948 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: <mircea_popescu> also, check out this slut : // great tits
punkman: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184253-ssd-shadiness-kingston-and-pny-caught-bait-and-switching-cheaper-components-after-good-reviews
assbot: SSD shadiness: Kingston and PNY caught bait-and-switching cheaper components after good reviews | ExtremeTech
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0202 = 0.101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9693 @ 0.00082058 = 7.9539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00082058 = 4.1029 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07899912 = 0.948 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: ;;rated moiety
gribble: You have not yet rated user moiety
asciilifeform: ;;rate moiety 1 felis silvestris.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.
punkman: so these guys are gonna develop truecrypt now: https://github.com/FreeApophis https://twitter.com/doekbrijder
assbot: FreeApophis (Thomas) GitHub
assbot: Doekbrijder (doekbrijder) auf Twitter
punkman: Mr. "my first C project is gonna be crypto" and a Drupal dev
asciilifeform: punkman: snake oil sucks, but when it's medicine for a corpse... whatever.
punkman: indeed
moiety: tyvm asciilifeform :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00082245 = 41.9038 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
chetty: that reddit link... lol.
moiety: ;; last seen bingoboingo
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
moiety: wut
kakobrekla: ;;seen bingoboingo
gribble: bingoboingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> mdev: Ideally it is a self correcting issue.
moiety: ah thank you kakobrekla :D
moiety: glad to see he wasn't blown away by the bad weather
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00082371 = 11.0377 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: moiety: ok back
moiety: i sent a pm fluffypony
fluffypony: oh just saw that, tks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I thought he was 16/f/cali? but then again, I forgot my robe and my wizard hat...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 76 @ 0.042 = 3.192 BTC
chetty: my robe and my wizard hat...// required uniforms for next conf?
fluffypony: yes
fluffypony: Thursday night dinner will require it
fluffypony: as well as 16 year old females from Cali
fluffypony: (which my wife is, except Cali == Germany of course)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2112439 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21100006 = 0.633 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu I just got a rather big shock.... thank you very much :]
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu I just got a rather big shock.... thank you very much :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: omg gribble don't discriminate against different smiles!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;later tell moiety ":]"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Apocalyptic: hax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9430 @ 0.00082398 = 7.7701 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3JQYB9.txt )
thestringpuller: !b 4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC
moiety: kakobrekla: thanks! though, this is like wearing braces or something.... XD
Apocalyptic: moiety, the message won't contain the quotes
moiety: I just saw that..and felt silly
moiety: >.>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.07951719 = 9.9396 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00081877 = 13.4278 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21399992 = 0.856 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB: !up empyex
FabianB: $depth f.mpif
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021659 10000 @ 0.00021640 1000 @ 0.00021562 10000 @ 0.00021561
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 500 @ 0.00021726 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 10000 @ 0.00040000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.0008179 = 23.3919 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3854 @ 0.00007784 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08 = 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.08 = 0.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12839 @ 0.00082428 = 10.5829 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.08 = 4.32 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: i would buy many write blocking devices if s.nsa offered them for sale
Mats_cd03: im using the vinco board to do it in lieu of golden toilet
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26404 @ 0.00081705 = 21.5734 BTC [-]
benkay: neat trick, FabianB
FabianB: benkay: it's mpexbot a little improved
FabianB: !up empyex
FabianB: $conference
empyex: FabianB: Next conference starts in 10 months and 3 days. Estimated cost today: 2.33372229 BTC
FabianB: $vwap s.mg
empyex: FabianB: S.MG 1 day: no data 7 day: no data 30 day: average: 0.00009054 high: 0.00012399 low: 0.00009 volume: 402335 btc: 36.42872565
FabianB: $mpexlag
empyex: FabianB: 132 milliseconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 575 @ 0.07266747 = 41.7838 BTC [-] {34}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59507 @ 0.00082541 = 49.1177 BTC [+] {4}
dub: goxxed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00082681 = 21.4971 BTC [+] {2}