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mike_c: fwiw, they seem to have better management than neobee
mircea_popescu sings .. i'm the king of the repartee, the asshole vip...
mike_c: but that is saying very little
mircea_popescu: i don't even recall, did they publish their total processed / gross fees for q1 ? 2013 ? anything ?
davout: well maybe the reason for taking investment is not that they're unprofitable, but that they need it to grow faster, am i missing something obvious to discrimnate between those two?
mike_c: what about acquisitions? that is a common exit path and could make money for fiat investors.
mircea_popescu: i know they keep derping about how merchants went from 4k to 40k, but... w/e
mike_c: davout: point is they aren't cash-flow positive, so they can't be socking away a pile of btc.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, in no acquihire do the investors see a dime
mike_c: no acquihire, sure. but there are profitable acquisitions (for the acquiree)
davout: mike_c: they published the figures?
mike_c: davout: they are spending more than they make. this is why they need investment. be it for growth, does not matter. they are still spending more then they make.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: see whatsapp
davout: mike_c: yeah, i understand "cash-flow negative" :D
mircea_popescu: the best construction for btc value conservation is if their management is good enough to copy s.mg, and basically they just take the investment turn it to btc and wait
BingoBoingo: First they call MP a pornographer, then they call him a scammer, later the ignore him... Next they call MP a witch?
davout: the question i'm asking is "how do you know?"
mike_c: because they keep taking investments. you don't sell pieces of your company for money you don't need.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah ok, sure. facebook is paying 20bn for bitpay because gallipi & his sister gave zuck such good rusty trombones.
davout: mike_c: makes sense, ty!
TheNewDeal: this is going horrible. Just tossed some chicken on the stove and now I have to take a shit. Running around the kitchen trying to hold everything in before I can flip
TheNewDeal: need something to concentrate on. refuse to flip chicken early
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But they refuse to acknowledge that as well
davout: aren't there legitimate cases where companies need to raise repeatedly because their current positive cash-flow is not sufficient to address the market as it could be addressed?
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davout: i guess not for bitpay
davout: you don't need 10x more engineers to process 10x more payments
mircea_popescu: once they start laying down rail track and optic fiber...
davout: i guess that's closer to what you were explaining initially
davout: just had a look at their "team" page
davout: they must be burning quite some cash
mircea_popescu: from what i hear this 30mn bought them a lease on life worth about a year.
kakobrekla: wheres the easiest to check btc price for june 2012
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, this concept of bitcoin services doing a NASDAQ/NYSE IPO, seems somehow naturally unlikely
midnightmagic: also, on that team page, manuel araoz builds software that attacks bitcoin
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davout: mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume
ThickAsThieves: she did seem to be a decent little worker bee for btcf at the conference
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dub: she seemed retarded in the 'election' interview
mircea_popescu: <midnightmagic> inb4 someone finds englund's rehire << lol k/
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> ThickAsThieves: Continued BTCFundnation goodwill... /// isnt bitpay already a plutonium level supernode sponsor member?
kakobrekla: also check this out, 2 years or derping
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bloctoc: if bitpay takes 3 days to receive the fiat. That's a loan essentially in BTC to be repaid in USD. so, they're shorting btc and will always be shorting the bigger they get.
mircea_popescu: the owner is already swallowing random dusts from strangers.
mircea_popescu: <davout> mircea_popescu: well, if you count $10k/month/person that's like 3.6mn/year in salary, that's not *that* much compared to what they raised, and they haven't been 30 for that long o a time i'd assume << you know the donner party also wasn't as large before as it was at the point it starved to death.
ThickAsThieves: and to whomever recommended Antifragile, it was exactly the next book I was looking for, great so far
ThickAsThieves: it puts into words concepts ive always kinda had theories about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah this is an interesting point. people believe [because they're trained in school to believe and they never examine it ?] that the "proper" form is and they're at their best in book form
davout: mircea_popescu: donner?
mircea_popescu: whereas an uncombed, out of bed appearance like those notes is actually better according to the readers
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mircea_popescu: davout some dudes, tried to traverse the utah salt marshes, died.
mircea_popescu: and this is perhaps the first time i used "dude" in its proper fucking sense in this chan. go me.
davout: mircea_popescu: tried dictionary, should've tried wikipedia instead XD
mircea_popescu: i dare say the taleb notes and the gangue of great minds found at their burial are not the same
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.000831 = 44.3754 BTC [+] {2}
bloctoc: I don't wish to be pedantic, but the donner party did not just die, they ate each other.
ThickAsThieves: i'm totally ignorant of taleb other than gaining a familiarity of his name from you guys over the months
ThickAsThieves: he paints himself as disliked by his peers, is that the case?
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mircea_popescu: he's disliked by the people who imagine he's not their peer.
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ThickAsThieves: it seems odd to me, since so far his ideas make plenty sense
mircea_popescu: yeah, but his simple existence poses some very significant ontological problems to many folk in socialist academia
ThickAsThieves: but the human race never fails to find new ways to surprise and disappoint
davout: from what i understand of the black swan, his ideas pretty much destroy the rationales by which risk is managed in traditional finance
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mircea_popescu: davout asa bonus he has a lenghty list of "i fucking told you so" for various people.
mircea_popescu: which is not only unpleasant but in many cases quite dangerous
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mircea_popescu: davout because to this day about half of the us bureaucracy is shielded by only the flimsy "nobody could have predicted"
davout: asciilifeform: "afaik he never penetrated the 'bozo barrier field' that surrounds it" <<< haha, that's probably very true
ThickAsThieves: hehe i just read the part about he started weightlifting cuz he was worried for his safety
mircea_popescu: there's no certain reason for it to work for the entire finance bureaucracy
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mircea_popescu: and their political position is made more difficult by the presence of the millitant communists in the democrat party.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt it. he's actually more expensive to kill than to ignore.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was he a chechen living in turkmenistan ?
assbot: Steve Forbes says U.S. will return to a gold standard
ThickAsThieves: “Somebody can’t go and use a whole bunch of our patents but then sue us for using one of theirs,” Musk said “That seems like it wouldn’t be a very nice thing to do.”
mircea_popescu: apparently the guy is a total gold bug. the ever helpful tardopedia : " His 20 year tenure as head of Forbes magazine coincided with the decline of the publication and the Forbes family empire."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00083144 = 42.9023 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: grammar question: "the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh if not upon us already" << y/n?
ThickAsThieves: it's implied that you'd know when it was upon you, so surmising whether it may already be is only exposing a state of nigh
benkay: lol no the implication is that knowing that a thing is upon one is a hard thing to figure
mircea_popescu: the time to <derp derp derp> is nigh, if not upon us already
dub: already upon us, surely
benkay: "surely nigh if not already upon us".
benkay: implying the thing impends and that i've my eye upon it.
benkay: huh i seem to like this word.
benkay: okay derailment over thanks gents
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davout: ThickAsThieves: yeah, i was thinking like car accident or whatever way that wouldn't look suspicious
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.00082807 = 18.2589 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: for one, things don't look suspicious for what they are, but for what they look
mircea_popescu: for the other, how do you know what he's stashed away ?
benkay: 30 employees, 30mn for 1 year of life...1mn/employee?
benkay: shit i gotta stop running businesses and start scamming vc's
mircea_popescu: benkay also known as moral hazard, this, and why someone's gotta put a stop to it
bloctoc: benkay - plus marketing, rent, receivables (mentioned earlier) and plane tickets for CEO to find more money.
mircea_popescu: actually, failed isn't even the word. we need something strong like the french rate
bloctoc: is the french rate that ECB negative rate from a week or two ago?
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cazalla: tfw too poor to own a gameboy, somehow $2 brick from reject shop didn't fill the void
cazalla: we had similar knock offs in australia, it was my grandmother who bought me brick when i wanted a gameboy with tetris and she tried to tell me it was the same thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18722 @ 0.00083213 = 15.5791 BTC [+]
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dub: I got actual computers
benkay: i never didn't have dsl
benkay: now guess how old i am
dub: the one console I recall using was the old pong game that plugged into a tv
dub: but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64
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dub: no storage so you input the game in basic and had to do it again when your mom made you turn it off
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw i never had the 'wolf & eggs.' too l33t. borrowed from kid next door. << that kicked ass
kakobrekla: It is true that Bitcoin outperformed Nasty Mining. Bitcoin had an amazing 2 years of growth and was exposed to billions of people. However, funds invested in Nasty Mining were spent in USD on items that are valued in USD. In fact, pretty much everything is valued in USD (or your local fiat currency), which is why BTC is valued at the conversion rate at the time of transfer to any real organization. It only makes sense to value Nasty Mi
kakobrekla: USD when comparing it over time. The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that. We've still managed to outperform more than 99% of the other things you could have spent your BTC on. Silver for example was $28.50 on our IPO date and is $19.50 now, yet I don't see you trolling silver dealers on here.
mircea_popescu: <dub> but around age 6 I had my book (yes book) of games and c64 << i had one of those too
mircea_popescu: " The performance we've had is astounding, and just because it lags behind the performance of Bitcoin should not take away from that."
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mircea_popescu: course mine wasn't an actual c64, butmoar like a clone48
unbalanced: Got partway done months ago in one of my VMs, I'll have to dig it up. BingoBoingo's tutorial was a good help.
mthreat: actually i think he said c32, which i didn't even know existed
mthreat: he also corrected me when I said i'd seen a pic of him with an ak-47. apparently it wasn't an ak
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mircea_popescu: so im fishin' in rift an' shootin' da breeze in -assets. what better lyf is there.
diametric: should read scrollback, i'm assuming it was the topic for a while
mthreat: mircea_popescu: anyway his name is tomas, if you go by there
mircea_popescu: We took advice from the US lawyers via BitAngels and also local lawyers in Scotland,
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mircea_popescu: “All issuers selling securities to the public must comply with the registration provisions of the securities laws, including issuers who seek to raise funds using Bitcoin,” said Andrew J. Ceresney, the SEC’s enforcement director in a press release. “We will continue to focus on enforcing our rules and regulations as they apply to digital currencies.”
mircea_popescu: Jacob Farber of Perkins Coie who advises Bit Angels wrote, “It seems pretty clear that there was no intentional market manipulation. The question is whether there was an ‘appearance of market manipulation’, or an ‘unintended market manipulation’.” <<< it's pretty obvious that there was quite intentional, and quite fraudulent, market manipulation.
mircea_popescu: cause when you go "let's do this thing that'll make our worthless turd look valuable" that's what you're doing.
justusranvier: To my untrained eye, it looks like certain people got a unhappy with DJohnston using their reputations without their consent, so they kicked him out of BitAngles into his own sandbox.
mircea_popescu: Many knowledgeable observers called the whole thing a success. Irvine’s team wound up with three million in BTC after all. Ryan Galt, an investor who blogs as Two-Bit Idiot, noted the “pump-and-dump” that happened but said the number one takeaway was to make sure to get in early when a “hot new coin-related startup announces a crowdsale.” “You better be ready to buy the second it goes live,” he wrote.
justusranvier: What's sad is the number of Bitcoin startups that were taking advice from him.
mircea_popescu: a collection of three idiots does not become a startup through their declaration to that effect, in my view.
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justusranvier: Anyway, a lot of businesses trying to get involved in Bitcoin got some bad advice from him. Some of them did ask around for second opinions though, and avoided that particular pitfall anyway.
mircea_popescu: byut anyway, the circus is the circus. this is why we call it the circus, this is why we despise it, this is what it does.
mircea_popescu: "vcs", "entrepreneurs", "consulting", "conferences", "startups", "deals", "investing" and so on and so forth till you're bored.
unbalanced: I was at the Bitcoin Hackathon in Toronto a couple of months back, and DJ was a judge.
mircea_popescu: people are incredibly arrogant, so a bunch of them getting hurt badly is good news.
unbalanced: I didn't win a top place... my stuff wasn't good enough but more importantly it seemed, not "decentralized" enough.
unbalanced: It took place right inside Ethereum HQ
unbalanced: By the time I left that conference I thought Bitcoin was a cult of decentralization. Decentralize all the things!
mircea_popescu: on one hand it's completely irrelevant who "judges" these things, just like the people running around begging perelman to take their "award" so they may say "o we gave perelman an award, please think we matter" are irrelevant to math
unbalanced: Agreed. I walked away from several folks when I began to get the cray-cray vibe.
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mircea_popescu: on the other hand, what difference does it make anyway ? not like any human being at an accessible pay grade can judge your thing anyway.
unbalanced: I usually *give off* the cray-cray vibe when it comes to Bitcoin. Didn't expect people could outdo me for tech optimism.
mircea_popescu: just go to the hackathon as you go to the bar, not like you go to school. it's a social function.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe this crap is aptly described as optimism.
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mircea_popescu: this is to the conference circuit roughly what porn is to legitimate acting : the place failures go to die.
mircea_popescu: if the people involved were smarter, they'd be selling detergent and used cars.
unbalanced: Thanks I was turning blue. justusranvier, nicely done
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: If you did the GPG guide that's the hard part... registering with gribble doesn't hurt at all
unbalanced: Not sure if i can get to that VM from here. I'll take a stab.
unbalanced: But before I do, I agree MP, I didn't take not winning the hackathon badly, I only said my thing wasn't "good enough" because a) it wasn't all done in time and b) my math was less than accurate. Empirically not good enough for anyone to use.
mircea_popescu: well that's kinda how these thons work. not enough time really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25549 @ 0.00083163 = 21.2473 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: justusranvier "Using the global public ledger that allows for multilateral decision making means that retaining financial privacy is, to put it lightly, problematic. It’s possible to achieve, but doing so is a difficult and delicate process where mistakes are easy to make and also permanent." i don't understand this part, at all.
unbalanced: I don't have a lot of hardware is why... at the time I was on a Windows machine using a Linux VM. Now I'm pure. Linux.
unbalanced: Carelessness + pattern recognition etc.
justusranvier: Cash doesn't have an eternal, publicly searchable ledger
justusranvier: Is there a USDchain.info where anyone can view every transaction that ever occurred with a given bill?
mircea_popescu: all the cash that exists exists. by this it can be counted
mircea_popescu: anyone capable of busting in can count your cash as well as you can
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15151 @ 0.00082999 = 12.5752 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: or if you get caught with series-fixed bills after a bank robbery
justusranvier: All of those approaches you mention for cash only operate on a subset of the "address space". Graph analysis of the blockchain can look at the entire data set, forever.
justusranvier: People skilled in that art can do a lot more, given the improved access to information
mircea_popescu: because correspondingly, you are forced by cash to physical interaction
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mircea_popescu: blockchain.info mixing is a joke. break bitbet mixing.
mircea_popescu: so you know, getting caught with cash in your possesion can be a forced mistake
mircea_popescu: getting caught with bitcoin can never be a forced mistake
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that bitcoin is not actually traceable, and all the sophistry of taint can at most produce persuasion is one of the largest points of pressure applied by bitcoin to human society. it may result in the "reasonable doubt" standard being taken out.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: much in the way the internet has forced the brits into their first secret "trial", something they've not had in about 11 centuries.
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justusranvier: I think we will get privacy on the blockchain eventually.
justusranvier: Not until Bitcoin Core is dethroned as the monolopy full node implementation though
mircea_popescu: anbd what throne lol. a bunch of redditards with ten bitcoin between them that keep downloading the power ranger code ?
justusranvier: It's there for people who are extremely careful and make no mistakes.
justusranvier: There are better ways of achieving privacy that aren't quite so fragile
mircea_popescu: cause otherwise this discussion is exactlylike email privacy. i have all the email privacy i could want, because gpg
mircea_popescu: you're gonna tell me there's no privacy in email either ?
justusranvier: All the email privacy you could want? You must not want to have privacy regarding the fact that you're sending messages, nor the recipients of those messages.
mircea_popescu: an email can come from any arbitrary address you wish it to.
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mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i wonder what % of 4chan pics are steganographically loaded
unbalanced: I remember now where I locked up months ago with GPG.
unbalanced: I set it all up, using Seahorse... but I have to put a public key "out there" so people could encrypt messages to me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1797 @ 0.00006225 = 0.1119 BTC [-] {2}
unbalanced: So I tried the "Sync and Publish Keys..." link on the "Remote" menu in Seahorse. And the warning message pops up:
unbalanced: "This will publish the keys in your key ring so they're available for others to use. You'll also get any changes others have made since you received their keys. 1 key is selected for synchronizing"
unbalanced: It does NOT say "This will publish the PUBLIC keys in your key ring..." so I thought, "F that!"
unbalanced: Am I to assume that's what this key management app means in that message? That only my PUBLIC key will be sent out?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24195 @ 0.00083179 = 20.1252 BTC [-] {2}
unbalanced: I don't like to assume anything when it comes to crypto.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8640 @ 0.00083207 = 7.1891 BTC [+]
unbalanced: Got tips from teward in pm, thanks! Trying it now.
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unbalanced: Followed BB's tutorial for noobs about 4mo ago and got halted at this point
teward: mircea_popescu: OTC operator, plus emergency op in #bitcoin, i started lurking here after seeing a +1 rating on someone for the purposes of trust tree to the bot
teward: (OTC operator as in +o moderator in -otc)
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unbalanced: Only using Seahorse because of user-friendliness for now. Though I might figure out git next and submit a patch to their pop-up message.
mircea_popescu: you can self voice now, pm assbot !up once you're id'd with gribble
teward: this +v can last 2 minutes, but Seahorse is the GUI for user-friendliness of GnuPG/PGP in Linux. :)
teward: i use it 100% of the time for pgp keyring management, and given I have 20 or so keys, well... :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can get gnarly if you manage a lot of keys
teward: agreed, asciilifeform, to be honest, CLI is my native environment, I prefer managing my keys via CLI. I just use Seahorse for generating, the GUI has a tiny bit more entropy, and I generate only 4096-strength keys :)
mircea_popescu: anyone remember usagi's long key generating business ?
mircea_popescu: where he had found a tutorial on the net to make arbitrary length keys and was offering this as a sort of forum-level braindamaged saas ?
teward: asciilifeform: might be because something else is installed alongside seahorse for entropy generation, I dunno. CLI only took an hour for 4096-bit keys.
mircea_popescu: "Given all these downsides, it should be apparent that decentralization isn’t something to aspire to lightly. In fact, it may be better to say that decentralization as a design technique is best reserved as a last resort, only to be used when there are no other suitable alternatives."
mircea_popescu: ".I want to see a future digital economy in which nobody is excluded from participation." "No third party should have the ability to interfere in the voluntary dealings of other people." << do you see these as logically equivalent ?
justusranvier: Not equivalent. The latter is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for the former.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why anything more is needed or desirable than the latter.
justusranvier: If no third party can interfere with the voluntary dealings of other people, then anyone who desires to participate can do so, providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12006 @ 0.00082542 = 9.91 BTC [-]
justusranvier: I believe I convered that possibility when I said "providing only that they can find a trading partner willing to deal with them."
mircea_popescu: anyway. it seems to me that adding anything to your latter turns the former into the latter's logical counter.
mircea_popescu: If cheating can be easily detected and reversed, then maybe it’s no longer essential to prevent it at all costs and you can build it with a more palatable set of trade offs. << in fact, there's a reason business has since forever run on "eventually correct" bookkeeping
mircea_popescu: anyway, great blog, kinda shitty platform. mebbe pankkake adds it to teh irker
unbalanced: BingoBoingo, check yer email, I may or may not have sent you a secret message.
mircea_popescu: "Ever since the venture capital scene started talking about Bitcoin back in 2013, one of the most frequently cited comments from them is that Bitcoin is interesting for the technology, not the currency. In fact, this mantra has become so common that it almost sounds… scripted." << if you're curious as to the reason, it has to do with them not wanting to go under the yoke that's been awaiting patiently and quite unav
unbalanced: So secret I can't even remember what it may or may not have said, if it even exists.
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unbalanced: Or if one of these sent me to Seahorse months ago I don't see it now.
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mircea_popescu: course if i had it'd not have linked all the darkcoin and "insurection" would have lead to something about the serenissima, but anyway
unbalanced: It's not clear to me exactly WTF I sync'd with in Seahorse or where I put my public key. Do you see it somewhere Bingo to send a return message I could try to read?
unbalanced: That is, you may or may not be. Way ahead of me.
unbalanced: This just in, people... PKI works. That is all.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Your pubkey was on sks-keyservers
BingoBoingo: The reason I didn't recommend Seahorse is it is a pain. Geany has a spell checker at least.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Well, there's a bunch of other keyservers as well.
unbalanced: Right, this is all just text, it's just potentially a ton of really-hard-to-read text if you get it mixed up.
gribble: Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@70.33.227.12', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00083458 = 32.1313 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@70.33.227.12', is identified as user 'unbalanced', with GPG key id 123147044A6CB0A8, key fingerprint 12549201BD884C99BE652155123147044A6CB0A8, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;later tell chax sorry i missed you
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unbalanced: Ermahgerd I fell *up* the stairs. <beck>Things are gonna change, I can feel it.</beck>
benkay: if chax comes by razz him a bit for me, he's from chain.com
assbot: IEEE Rebooting Computing
assbot: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
decimation: yeah the IEEE thing seems to be more academi-tardation. quantum neuro whatever buzzword
decimation: why can't folks simply "re-imagine" the legos they have in front of them?
assbot: Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing
decimation: indeed a static global address space that is persistant and usable would be a reasonable project
decimation: but ascii, the article says that HP has experience with HP-UX and "non-stop"
decimation: pretty much all modern commercial OS's are on the BSD family tree somewhere
decimation: but presumably the OS comes on an EPROM
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine rebooting = pulling memory out
mircea_popescu: yes well. marketingis not intended to be that hard semantically.
unbalanced: Don't I need 2 hit points? Or just the one?
justusranvier: There could be dedicated areas in the memory space that could be hardware wiped, and operations resumed from a hardcoded address. That would be like a reboot.
mircea_popescu: even the most accomplished anal insertion artist, who can take ANYTHING would not survive a parachute-less parachute fall
mircea_popescu: even if theoretically the planet is part of "everything"
decimation: ascii I imagine your dataflow machine as a collection of various calculating state machines, called into existence for various purposes when needed
decimation: if you had such a beast, you just peek and poke at its inputs/outputs, it wouldn't really have an address space
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
decimation: in the end, you would only need the "address space" for permanant storage
unbalanced: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Read his stuff, you'll learn something.
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decimation: using magnetic ram for each of the LUT modules?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00082887 = 1.9843 BTC [-]
decimation: I'm surprised HP isn't trying to build an fpga with precisely this
unbalanced: ;;rate davout 1 Sharp, made bitcoin-central, been around since forever.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, wouldn't that make perfect sense ?
decimation: yeah. like my point about rolls royce just making derpy web pages would be more profitable than jet engines
unbalanced: ;;rate jurov 1 Runs coinbr, more... has earned my trust.
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decimation: which puts you right back into having to make friends and influence people in the bezzle wot
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unbalanced: ;;rate teward 1 Just met, helped me out, knows his stuff.
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unbalanced: Or should I not be rating people I've only communicated with for a couple of hours now?
decimation: "What has been your greatest disappointment?
decimation: That I am unable to destroy the economics establishment, the press."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30138 @ 0.0008268 = 24.9181 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: abosolutely. he might be too integrated in the wall street wot to make new friends here though
unbalanced: Mmkay, so teward, I will revoke, nothing personal. Once I figure out how.
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unbalanced: decimation: re: "(my best interview)" above -- you write for FT?
decimation: heh no the link is entitled "my best interview" on taleb's page
unbalanced: Ah. I was going to ask you why they print on that orange-pink paper. Don't dodge the question!
unbalanced: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Wrote helpful GPG guide. May be my arch-nemesis in the ATC mines though, not sure yet.
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decimation: I'm just a zek, trying to scrape by in the world
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unbalanced: ;;rate pankkake 1 Funny, helpful, fights BS along with the other Super-Friends.
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decimation: solzhenitsyn's "the first circle" resonates with me. in the collectivist us, it is hard to escape this condition
unbalanced: ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs x-bt.com, a solid little exchange, and my money has not disappeared.
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unbalanced: ;;rate mike_c 1 Made btcalpha.com, great tools and analysis.
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 486512.85 in 1086 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.99
mike_c: so unbalanced, what kind of diff change are you shooting for this period?
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: thanks for the dump
unbalanced: Hey, I took that dump. That's my dump! But thanks for the later-ing ThickAsThieves.
mike_c: hehe, then thank you too
mike_c: not yet. what kind of diff change are you trying to get this period?
unbalanced: I figure that the -25% to -50% range is desirable, as long as it doesn't fall so far someone can't easily spike it up 4x again.
unbalanced: But really, "easily" is a relative term so this may be a fool's errand.
mike_c: well, it seems like a good thing to try to me.
mike_c: ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC tinkerer/supporter
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unbalanced: I just want to make it increasingly uneconomical to try to kill the coin. Just an experiment really.
mike_c: yeah. i don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I do think it's worth trying.
mircea_popescu: unbalanced its perfectly uneconomical to try and kill the coin already.
mike_c: i don't worry about the coin dying, but +80%/-80% diff changes are annoying.
unbalanced: thestringpuller, you too can live the dream!
mircea_popescu: mike_c they don't seem to be hurting anything tho do they ?
mircea_popescu: unbalanced so in th end how much did you end up paying per atc trying to mine ?
mike_c: having a block an hour does not feel optimal.
unbalanced: The diff is still unfolding so I don't have a final number yet. I haven't wanted to calculate it or I might stop.
mike_c: i ran the numbers, but I won't tell if you don't want to know :)
unbalanced: thestringpuller, by "dump" mike_c meant a pastebin link somewhere above, detailing how to use leaserig.net to employ mining rigs on demand.
unbalanced: See also #altcoin... that channel needs new blood.
mike_c: it's like we have discussed before. it affects merchants. it's not as easy to move coin around. this makes little difference for the occasional user, but 1 hour block time on average means sometimes 2+ hours for a block.
unbalanced: Rough back-of-the-envelope I'd say 400 satoshis per ATC if I'm lucky. Is that what you got mike_c or am I off by an order of magnitude?
mike_c: and i ran the numbers before btc diff went up, so it could be better
mike_c: cuz the miners should have dropped in price.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: x-bt for one. is satoshijack still around? plus possibly some other merchants in development.
mircea_popescu: mike_c haven't heard from the satoshijack dude in a long time
unbalanced: Yes, I guess a tslb of >1hr only matters if the coin is moving around more than once an hour. Or day.
mircea_popescu: i really don't see th econcern. if anything, slow txn are good for a coin, they keep the people in a hurry at bay
mircea_popescu: the only folk it really hurts are speculators, of the redditard type
mike_c: JD wouldn't be happy if gamblers had to wait 1-2 hours to deposit money
unbalanced: You know MP, I'm testing my ATC wallet. Could you send me all your ATC, and then I'll send it back?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i would not, but i'd gladly take their coin.
unbalanced: Purely routine. Just a test. No, no need to read the fine print. Just sign here.
unbalanced: See, with ATC you can relive the early days of BTC!
mike_c: like i said, i don't think this is any kind of life & death thing. it's smoothing out an annoyance.
mircea_popescu: mike_c from what i recall BingoBoingo wasn't too adverse to the jumps
unbalanced: See this here is more chat activity than #altcoin gets in a day. Come on over people!
unbalanced: I suspect BingoBoingo was the hash raider. Just a theory. No judgment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69400 @ 0.00082471 = 57.2349 BTC [-] {3}
unbalanced: You don't need it with LeaseRig.net, see the pastebin somewhere 8 miles up.
mike_c: he's not a merchant, he's a market maker. i'm sure the diff changes are great for him.
unbalanced: You just knew about the max 4x diff jump, I haven't heard many people who know that. But I suppose it makes sense that everyone here would.
unbalanced: Where's nubbins? He should be ripping into us for even discussing ATC. Or did he ragequit already?
unbalanced: ;;later tell nubbins I'm in the WOT! Only took what, 4 months from Inception? PM at will.
unbalanced: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 Almost paranoid enough... almost. I learn a ton from him.
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unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00082368 = 6.3012 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform my favorite quote from "the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00082249 = 18.0537 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: I'm pretty sure that's a crap translation though
decimation: It would be highly satisfying to write "zek" for nationality on an official form
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 417 @ 0.00225524 = 0.9404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00082392 = 18.1262 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02840016 = 0.3408 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.04400001 = 0.352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00082344 = 32.4435 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2385 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.23500001 = 2.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23500001 = 1.41 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00082047 = 7.0971 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.02398476 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0707 = 0.7777 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02391925 = 0.1674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00082022 = 26.165 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16586 @ 0.00081996 = 13.5999 BTC [-]
assbot: What Do Rich People Do Online?
fluffypony: punkman: that dude looks like Magnum PI
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.03 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 703 @ 0.00228499 = 1.6063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11011 @ 0.00082047 = 9.0342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 85 @ 0.03 = 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14039 @ 0.00082388 = 11.5665 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07070707 = 0.6364 BTC [+]
punkman: why is it so hard to find a decent watermelon
punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00081966 = 23.0324 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: why not? there's always weird tricks with food
pankkake: I've mastered the chosing of avocados
punkman: pankkake: yeah that's the problem with watermelons, although the merchants often cut one up for tasting
pankkake: but they aren't necessarily the same
pankkake: though I've always had the project of crowdsourcing fruit arrival data
pankkake: especially for clementines; batches are very different and there are some characteristics I'm looking for
punkman: I mostly buy local fruit, but fuckers still can't wait until it's ripe enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2355 BTC [+]
jurov: punkman: they can't make small triangle cut into the melon? here it's usual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.23421599 = 4.4501 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: jurov, don't they get stuck with a bunch of mediocre watermelons then? or do they sell them to the next sucker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.232 = 1.16 BTC [-]
jurov: yes, some ppl don't have a clue to ask
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04085759 = 0.8172 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2169 @ 0.00020095 = 0.4359 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: also, it's generally accepted that not everything sells (aspecially at such scammy prices for groceries)
punkman: picked my apricot tree couple weeks ago, sick of them by now
punkman: bigger yield this year, but less taste
jurov: than make pankkakes
punkman: I made a couple tarts, still too many left
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pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 428 @ 0.00227837 = 0.9751 BTC [-]
punkman: pankkake: wireless all the things!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00233 = 0.1957 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.23116666 = 5.548 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Did the FDA Just Ban European Cheese? | Cato @ Liberty
punkman: I got some stinky camembert right here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.07070707 = 1.6263 BTC [+]
assbot: Our Short National Cheese Nightmare Is Over: FDA Backtracks on Wood-Aged Cheese - Hit & Run : Reason.com
assbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
pankkake: that's why it's so useless to try
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15461 @ 0.00081928 = 12.6669 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: kakobrekla: did you get banned from Bitcointalk?
pankkake: got*. one temporary and one definitive I suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00082466 = 36.0376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17755 @ 0.00082402 = 14.6305 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: fluffypony: the keyword for kako was "slanderous soul"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19055 @ 0.00082195 = 15.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00082147 = 17.1687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00082064 = 19.8595 BTC [-] {2}
davout: pankkake: "I've mastered the chosing of avocados" <<< make me your apprentice
fluffypony: the unpickable "Forever Lock" got picked
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davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ?
kakobrekla: yes fluffypony , pankkake has it. maybe it will be trice soon.
xmj: fluffypony: i think i'll go suit-hunting now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.0707 = 8.7668 BTC [-]
fluffypony: xmj: ok awesome - also see if there's a place that does tailored shirts as well, need to pick a few up
kakobrekla: You were giving a lot of credit to Garrett by playing the clown/troll.
kakobrekla: "Stop making fun of me mom, you made everything worse!!!!11"
fluffypony: great advertising, I feel like noodles now
assbot: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
kakobrekla: look samurai, samurai, ball, samurai, some gay dancers, samurai, oh yeah noodles.
assbot: Bukkake Milk - YouTube
fluffypony: kakobrekla: (c) Usagi Design Studio, 2014
kakobrekla: what the fuzck what year is this from pankkake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58947 @ 0.00081841 = 48.2428 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [-]
assbot: Making ubuntu.com responsive: intro (1) | Ubuntu Design Blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082195 = 6.9044 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "don't worry guys, I will use my rock to stop this"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00082195 = 2.1247 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31546 @ 0.00082022 = 25.8747 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: so Tesla is opening their patent portfolio up, and won't sue rival firms who use the patented tech "in good faith"
fluffypony: also it means Tesla-compatible charging points can be put up by tons of other manufacturers to support "their" cars, as everyone can use the same charging tech
nubbins`: ugh, awoken before 9am by skids next door shouting SATURDAY NIGHT and throwing furniture
nubbins`: it's friday, ya fuckin dickheads
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assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
fluffypony: Peter Todd was the cause of yesterday's dump?
pankkake: fluffypony: it's not that novel though, plenty of companies do it. they patent things as a defensive measure
fluffypony: pankkake: sure, but the automative industry has a long-standing history of patent-trolling
assbot: The Father Of All Patent Trolls - Forbes
pankkake: 1) braindead 2) braindead 3) BRAINDEAD
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: silver and blue ink on red paper
pankkake: I don't think he understands bitcoin
nubbins`: the blue is transparent so it looks like two different colors :(
pankkake: are you sure he's not an altcoin dev?
assbot: Contributors to bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
pankkake: 31 commits of little fixes. by that count, I'm a developer in hundreds of projects
pankkake: anyway, this kind of post is why bitcoin can't be worth $1000. still too many retards
pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat
pankkake: the more I try to read his brain damage… ugh
gribble: User 'petertodd', with keyid 7FAB114267E4FA04, fingerprint 37EC7D7B0A217CDB4B4E007E7FAB114267E4FA04, and bitcoin address 16BG6DT2p2SMtKJGGzDARbtvjPFJikzhXQ, registered on Wed Apr 25 03:34:22 2012, last authed on Tue Apr 30 19:55:25 2013.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=petertodd . Currently not authenticated.
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pankkake: when asics have absolutely nothing to do with it
xmj: fluffypony: so i was partially successful
assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
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nubbins`: omg you're not even authed?! :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0008208 = 21.2587 BTC [+]
assbot: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS
mircea_popescu: unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while. << that was lulzy lol. like kid with new xmas train.
mircea_popescu: worse is a superlative and for that reason incomparable.
assbot: manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: only if you are in the wot but not enough THRUST.
gribble: Error: "coffee" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: "Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form" << why the fuck'd anyone fill a form already.
mircea_popescu: derpy soviets think they're so smart, let them fill all the forms they want.
mircea_popescu: punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them? << if you can't hear the tap without putting it to your ear it's not a good one anyway
kakobrekla: so what brings you manamex , you only got a 30 min block might as well use it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47737 @ 0.0008208 = 39.1825 BTC [+]
fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird
mircea_popescu: pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day << why not ?
fluffypony: yeah all my catchup logs pushed to me this AM have decimation and unbalanced talking but unvoiced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: unbalanced kept getting devoiced and i doubt he's yet figured how to pm assbot
fluffypony: [2014-06-13T06:39:35+0200] <mircea_popescu> what's a zek ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.04 = 0.44 BTC [+]
fluffypony: apparently you weren't voiced for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.0008214 = 21.1921 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ? << which kind ?
mircea_popescu: if you mean to try and double spend, it'd be hard for any pool to do. if you mean, the withholding to hurt the pool, it can't really, but extreme bad luck is always suspicious.
mircea_popescu: in principle tho the pools are open to this "who's willing to lose most money" attack, they could start doing it to each other (and perhaps the larger ones have done it to ensure their position already - it's disputed)
manamex: kakobrekla: I'm new here and looking around, browsing the logs
Mats_cd03: zek is a word for an enslaved man in gulag or what have you
mircea_popescu: lol the us should ban good cheese. the stuff they call cheese is a disgrace to the name, best just painlessly divorce.
nubbins`: fluffypony: shirts shipped. holy shit, it's costly to send mail to .za
nubbins`: artifexd: your shirts shipped as well
fluffypony: nubbins`: need me to chip in extra to cover?
nubbins`: i budget ~$10 per shirt for shipping. usually it ends up being much less. yours came to $57 for 6 shirts :D
Vexual: then the postman thieves em
mircea_popescu: if shipping shirts costs more than the shirts it'd seem practical
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00225245 = 1.6893 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: wait til he tells you about the tariffs on clothing imports
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 54 @ 0.00225245 = 0.1216 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "1) Eliminate pools. 2) Provide a way for miners to solo-mine with low varience and frequent mining payouts even with only small amounts of hashing power. 3) Get rid of ASICs." mkay todd is off another planet.
mircea_popescu: why not get rid of airplanes while at it, they spread germs, are a threat to diversity and make it really easy for assholes like mp (or genius chinese kids) to fly to retarded backwater places (like the us) and just take over
nubbins`: provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine
nubbins`: fluffypony, yep. canada is a notoriously expensive place to mail things from
fluffypony: that's what I'd pay to courier a parcel like that to Canada with Aramex
nubbins`: well shit, next time send me an empty box and i'll load it up & write RETURN TO SENDER on it ;D
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine << i know right ? i will sell half my gasoline unless this happens.
nubbins`: i might get out of the gas business altogether
nubbins`: until saudi stops its 51% attack
Vexual: asics deter 50% attacks, it's expensive
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mircea_popescu: "Do I still think Bitcoin will succeed in the long run? Yes, but I'm a lot less sure of it than I used to be."
nubbins`: the quoted statement contains no information
Vexual: gonna take dollars 4 2.5 weeks
mircea_popescu: bitcoin will succeed in the long term because i say so. not because todd says or doesn't say so. wtf is this, programmer planet, where programmers matter now ?!
nubbins`: if programmers mattered, maybe i'd still be one D;
nubbins`: (almost definitely not, but hey)
assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
nubbins`: funny thing is, the work i do now actually does matter more
nubbins`: i thought it was two cups and a girl
nubbins`: 0000-gauge and up or i'm not watching
kakobrekla: the gauge is the thing that goes in reverse right
Mats_cd03: militants advancing towards baghdad
mircea_popescu: "BTW If you owe me fiat and normally pay me via Bitcoin, for the next 2.5 weeks you can pay me based on the price I sold at, $650 CAD." << so inadvertently, the guy's holdings are 5 weeks of his income.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.0, Best ask: 599.69, Bid-ask spread: 3.69000, Last trade: 596.0, 24 hour volume: 32119.14208210, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 628.77, 24 hour vwap: 587.301256977
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00082087 = 17.1151 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: i like how the fbi made a neat little bounce
mircea_popescu: the total estimated holdings of the bitcoin power rangers < 1k btc.
nubbins`: kakobrekla: apparently it's an indicator of how many pulls through a drawing die
mircea_popescu: (and i do believe he's typical, there's nothing more conformally uniform in the world than tech people.)
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kakobrekla: nubbins` would make sense but it still doesnt.
nubbins`: 1 gauge, pull it thru first hole
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> militants advancing towards baghdad << myeah.
kakobrekla: you can tell it sucks if it cant go into negative.
nubbins`: they just keep adding zeroes until people give up and use mm
mircea_popescu: speaking of negative cock thickness, so the good folk here don't fucking import condoms.
mircea_popescu: cue me in pharmacy with womenz in tow looking askew at the two mds there, with a stupid novelty ladden package onthe counter. "what are trhese!?!?"
mircea_popescu: so in the end i order research on condoms. answer comes out that the only half decent brand is "prime"
mircea_popescu: imagine, i could scribble "numbers" under it and be a real geek fucking.
nubbins`: imagine if you were to skip the women and fuck a pie
mircea_popescu: but anyway, so i go buy one of each type, and as chance would have it i first try the tyhing called "anatomical"
mircea_popescu: that thing is so narrow i couldn't fit any part of it in there.
mircea_popescu: who the hell knew "anatomical" is condom codeword for "i have a very small icepick"
nubbins`: twist: it's a combination condom/cock ring
Vexual: prolly got the condom bachine on aliexpress
nubbins`: el amigo es un condon en el bolsillo
Mats_cd03: interesting turn for the kurds though
Mats_cd03: they've been shit on for a long time, now they have oil guns and territory
mircea_popescu: what are you, like new to this risk! game of international intrigue ?
Mats_cd03: maybe they'll become a nation state, the dream of all oppressed little guys
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mircea_popescu: they're oppressed for a reason you know. nobody in the entire history of oppression was oppressed for anything but a reason.
davout: mircea_popescu: "which kind ?" <<< apparently some eligius guy claims they've caught one of their miners doing the withold-correct-block-hashes thing
Mats_cd03: sometimes you get a scrappy one. I'll be watching closely
davout: none at all, so i was like wtf
nubbins`: wait, i thought the withholding hashes thing didn't work because of nonces or some sort of math shit
mircea_popescu: seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else.
assbot: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
davout: mircea_popescu: "seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else." <<< nah, just wtfing at this, wondering if i was right to be wtfing or simply stupid
nubbins`: i thought they were saving up valid hashes to blow their wad all at once
mircea_popescu: davout the guy is a legit miner, but perhaps not too acquainted with logic. they're not detectable, they're susceptionable.
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i like that...i wouldn't know what to select for a proposition, though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00082043 = 30.3969 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: (if they actually were detectable they'd logically be prevetnable too)
davout: to me it sounds retarded to confiscate such an amount on a suspicion, especially when the suspected attacker has no economic incentive to be attacking in the first place
mircea_popescu: "My guess is that they never expected to get caught and suffer income loss as a result of their attack. But, once they were caught, I put a filter in place to block them from the payout queue (similar to the block on known MtGox addresses). Eligius’s offline wallet now has roughly 200 BTC work credits held from the payout queue under the attacker's addresses, that we have stopped them from stealing."
Vexual: well the other 50% prevents it, and as you tend to 100%, it becomes unprofitable
mircea_popescu: so elegius is stealing from some miner they had an argument with.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would someone keep a 200 btc balance, and esp with elegius, is beyong me.
Mats_cd03: Kurds create sovereign state recognized by majority of nations by 2015?
mircea_popescu: "When they noticed, weeks later, they contacted us complaining. We asked them to sign messages to verify they were in fact in control of the addresses in question including asking them to include a real name and location in the signed message, refusing to discuss it until they had done so"
mircea_popescu: herpy derp. so basically don't mine with elegius and that's that.
davout: Luke-Jr: what's with that?
mircea_popescu: "It has unofficially been decided that if it came down to it, Eligius would shut down before being forced to pay any attacker of any kind any amount whatsoever."
mircea_popescu: o look, it's also closing ? isn't this one of the oldest pools still (sort-of) standing ?
kakobrekla: elegius deceiving users? wouldn't be the first time.
mircea_popescu: "P.S. - This is unrelated to any of the stats issues that have occurred. (Server migration for the new web server is still under way…)"
dub: inb4: I'd explain but you wouldnt understand
mircea_popescu: well the more persuasive explanation is, elegius fucked up a server upgrade (on its sole server, if you don't count an old backup box which is never live anyway), lost some user's accounts
mircea_popescu: forum responds : "WOOT WTG WK!!! you teach them that messing with our pool isn't an option Great job on catching them and stopping them from getting their reward for doing nothing Finally some scammers didn't get to scam...oh how good that makes me feel...lost 21 coins to some lying cheating bastards already one was the btcrow or some website email scam..thought i was using escrow but was really sending them the coi
mircea_popescu: ns oh well...Great job on running the pool WK!! couldn't ask for a better pool op"
mircea_popescu: these people should vote, seriously. then we'd finally have real democracy, when nothing and nobody prevents these people from giving their "opinion" on how public affairs should be run
mircea_popescu: and we'll all be happy and everything plentiful and good.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: shouldn't you be asking Brock?
mircea_popescu: the even more logical conclusion : there's some miner going around with 32 bit hardware, that's unable to correctly handle 64 bit nonces
mircea_popescu: and so doesn't submit the winning block half the time it finds it, and doesn't care to fix his hardware.
mircea_popescu: this has been known for fucking months, except apparently not by the elegius admin crew.
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mircea_popescu: congrats on wizkid for making things sound retarded i guess.
kakobrekla: dunno if it makes any difference but bitstamp has a company registered for each of its ~20 'employees' here in slovenia.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: like 1 company per employee?
mircea_popescu: they get 20k euro per corp or so, if they make one per employee that's a 400k deduction
Vexual: when does co tax become beneficial in slov??
davout: kakobrekla: interdasting
Vexual: i thought it might be, "we'll set you up as a co coz youll be making 1 million withing 6 months"
Vexual: i don't know slovenia from slovakistan
mircea_popescu: In 5.21, you replied to request signature for my address, I replied.
mircea_popescu: In 5.23, you found my signature is wrong. after investigate, I found that I add a extra space on somewhere, then I re-sign the text. Then, a week passed. "
mircea_popescu: this is why i say the thing sucks and shouldn't be used.
mircea_popescu: makes it too damned easy for anyone to arbitrarily reject signs, which goes entirelky against the fucking point of a signature in the first place.
mircea_popescu: and the forumtards respond : ""If I didn't do it I would say that I didn't do it. You wrote a very long post and not one time did you say that you did not do it. To me, that says a lot! Don't bother now, it's too late.
mircea_popescu: some real king solomons out there, we're so fortunate to have everything the cat dragged in "involved" in bitcoin. thank you accessibility, thank you ever so.
mircea_popescu: "Even if it was unintentional you fucked up at everyone elses expense. Other people paid for your mistake in coding. You should return ALL the BTC you've mined." << someone was going on about how the confiscation "restored their faith in HUMANITY". this is then humanity, at its core. dunno why anyone'd want any part of it.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00081972 = 12.4188 BTC [-]
davout: mircea_popescu: i just realized the "WOOT WTG WK!" quote was actually what someone said
davout: that resonates with asciilifeform's comment wrt taleb piercing the bozo field
mircea_popescu: last time that happened we ended up with a hard fork. so far ghash is 0-1 on the score.
Vexual: ;;later tell decimation that was meant for Mats_cd03 regarding whether or not he needed a ham license for his hackrf
Vexual: TAT asked was it bullshit
Vexual: yeah some other bastard will bring more peta with tricker deployment measures, and bitcoin succeeds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00082286 = 7.9817 BTC [+]
Vexual: theres a reason dogetreats are priced in satoshi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00230894 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: pankkake: who is this petertodd? << one of the saner of the power ranger bunch.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat << in good tech tradition, he understands nothing of business, including the fact that he understands nothing of it.
nubbins`: i wonder will these SR coins auction for below or above market rate
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: the sr coins will go for market rate because they are market rate
bitcoinpete: limited by only being accessible to us citizens and whatnot
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the announced price will be under market rate. the "winner" will not actually have to pay anything, but will have to support usg policy.
nubbins`: hm, i woulda put my money on above market rate
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete they're not limited to being accessible to us citizens. they're limited to being accessible to that one corp that makes the most convincing case it'll be useful.
nubbins`: there's gotta be at least a few financial institutions/hedge funds/whatever that want btc but don't want to purchase from a foreign exchange, guy on the street, etc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so make a bitbet. "the announced price of the usms sale will be under market rate at that time"
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i'd love to be the one reading those proposals
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: is the auction not based on price alone?
bitcoinpete: "we promise to use these bitcoins to finance libraries for coindeskers"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's not bnased on th price at all. the fuck does the usg need 50mn
bitcoinpete: "we promise to use these bitcoin to finance roads to hawaii"
fluffypony: no I don't mean from there perspective
mircea_popescu: but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that.
Vexual: does d really mean discount?
bitcoinpete: so is that them diddling the "price" leading up to the auction?
mircea_popescu: (it's really the same thing, trying to use the propaganda machine to control btc via "news" of "sales")
mircea_popescu: just the usual mommentum traders getting raped yet again.
nubbins`: but if i don't hop on the train, i'll never travel
nubbins`: sure, it might be in the wrong direction, but hey
nubbins`: i'm a part of this thing &c &c
davout: mircea_popescu: wrt to the d. series, in case of acquisition the asset becomes worthless, right?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that. << can you explain "they've been moving?"
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete the "we're selling bitcoin" news manipulation went in days before the "i'm going to kill your "investment" news manipulation" announcement.
bitcoinpete: i mean, the number of people who knew about d.series
bitcoinpete: makes for a hard, but not impossible, pill to swallow
mircea_popescu: traders talk. if they didn't, they couldn't trade. it's a complex beast.
mircea_popescu: davout generally i might do something like "in case of acquisition by listed corp, you get the delta for the next 30 days"
bitcoinpete: i guess i didn't read the usg sale as propaganda-y
Vexual: 30 mil pays some wages
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: nothing less. our mafia vs theirs
bitcoinpete: i guess it'd have to be 'ganda, or else they'd just keep their coins like a sane person
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nubbins`: "Mac Pro cold boots a Windows Server 2012 R2 Domain Controller in 3 seconds. Coffee keeps getting cold - no opportunity to take a sip."
mircea_popescu: anyone ever seriously ran a system in their history that took longer ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2121 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks!
kakobrekla: lampelina did you put stuff in my food?
nubbins`: "will my investment tank? yes, but who cares?"
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: with all this great violin music on the titanic...
nubbins`: mp, not everyone is running ms-dos ;(
nubbins`: "other than that, mrs. lincoln, how was the play?"
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and this dude is voiced in this chan. << whjo ?!
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nubbins`: it took me like 4 months to figure out what "nastyfans" was
nubbins`: "why would you pay money to be in this weird club?" etc
kakobrekla: cause only 65% loss compared to the average of 99%
nubbins`: then i realized they were doing the careful-language-dance
mircea_popescu: nubbins` some random dork's odd approach to legal matters.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 50 @ 0.04 = 2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, whatever happened of nefario's buttbuddy, some chav running "red star mining" ?
nubbins`: if we don't CALL it shares in a mining security...
Vexual: the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pankkake: he got butthurd when i left him negative feedback for running a self moderated thread
nubbins`: ^ there's the ceo at a recent conference
Vexual: looks like zacdelasomeone
nubbins`: concentrate on the large ASICs in the foreground
Vexual: oh i see it now nubbins`, and ive more money than before
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined << how quaint.
nubbins`: god, i can't even remember what scam the swede was pushing
Vexual: prolly on cryptostocks now ? red star?
pankkake: but every good scam uses random forum users for PR
nubbins`: oh, in the meantime, i see charlie shrem is active on the forums again
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's whatreddit is for neh ? for people who can't do anything to pretend like they're doing things.
nubbins`: hmm, this new death grips album features bjork on all the tracks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00081963 = 35.367 BTC [-] {2}
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nubbins`: lel, there's a track called "have a sad cum"
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nubbins`: for a sec i thought "wow, mp rated rg +10?"
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> davout so moar drama. /// you know what that means!
nubbins`: this will wreak havoc on the tides
nubbins`: i'm glad my house is up the hill from the water
nubbins`: oh hey, fun fact: i'd have to fly west to visit argentina
nubbins`: it seems we've reached a stalemate
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nubbins`: st john's is directly north of uruguay's easternmost border
nubbins`: i'm definitely leaving my time zone
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mircea_popescu: "I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of Eric Cantor with some business economists;"
mircea_popescu: dude the fucking bullshit habit of renaming stuff you were already gonna do.
mircea_popescu: here's a news flash : if you're not having AN EXTRA dinner on top of your normal dinner, you're not having a dinner in honor of anybodyu
nubbins`: according to that, i'd be flying west and turning my watch forward
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mircea_popescu: just like some dorks that meet each friday for a beer attheir pub can't just put up a sign saying "bitcoin conference hackathon and miss universe contest"
Vexual: grand unified theory of where nubbns is
nubbins`: I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of my hunger
mircea_popescu: and pretend like their alleged conference-hackathon-topless party attracted a huge crowd
nubbins`: Vexual: they even colored us grey on that map
nubbins`: the color of honor and dignity
mircea_popescu: justusranvier no word about how "we're some contemptible pieces of shit that lied about things and were made a public mockery when the people we lied about never heard of us" ?
nubbins`: there's a town here called Argentia
nubbins`: not to be confused with Argentina (unless you're a spell-check)
mircea_popescu: i guess since the dork in question can't gpg sign, i could make a pastebin too. let's have some fun
nubbins`: so the violent lesbian who lives next door looks about 8 months pregnant
TomServo: I have a neighbor that's looked the same for about 2 years.
TomServo: Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself.
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Vexual: russia looks real big on that projection
nubbins`: lithopedia, the stone babies anyone can edit
Mats_cd03: the antichrist needs 36 months to gestate
Vexual: yeah, thats an equatorialist map
ThickAsThieves: Nintendo won't add Twitch streaming to Wii U: 'What's fun about that?' --- Nintendo rox
nubbins`: i bought a wii u a couple weeks ago
Vexual: youve got about 5.5 months until it dies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00082286 = 12.2195 BTC [+]
Vexual: consoles shoudnt have batteries
nubbins`: how else you gonna keep the clock running?
Vexual: the thing is quite obviously an aborted vr headset
assbot: Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: all i know is mario kart 8 is fun ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.04 = 0.76 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself. << cirrhosis ?
nubbins`: lel @ tourists outside taking pictures of the row houses
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves you may find this interesting
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: finally got an excuse to use silver ink
nubbins`: how about kickass cotton paper?
ThickAsThieves: mp make sure you are clear on the difference between metallic ink and foil embossed
nubbins`: foil embossed looks like gold leaf stuck to the paper
nubbins`: i think i have pics of gold ink on cotton, one sec
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: please tell me you're working on a trilema post for the angels pastebin. if not, i'm on it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what does itdo ? just discretely sparkle ?
mircea_popescu: if i put the idiots on trilema that'd increase their "brand" by 10k%, just for a post.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: It's a good possibility.
mircea_popescu: so nubbins` can you do foil embossed over paper that looks like i cut it out of a high class whore's bedsheets ?
ThickAsThieves: i should also note, i personally find foil to be supremely tacky
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: yeah the gold ink does come off better than the silver
nubbins`: that's the light shining off it
nubbins`: that's a solid border with halftone dots in the middle
davout: mircea_popescu: "there, much better." <<< nice
nubbins`: mircea_popescu our go-to cotton paper is stonehenge 250gsm, nice and thick, used by steadman, vonnegut, etc
nubbins`: we generally buy "cream" which can look pinkish in some lights
mircea_popescu: but can you buy cuntish, which looks pinkish in all lights ?
nubbins`: stonehenge doesn't come in cuntish
Vexual: mad foldin on the back
nubbins`: but we could just print a light pink base laye
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082358 = 11.2007 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: nope, coated (shiny) papers don't print well
nubbins`: now, we can get black cotton paper
mircea_popescu: ok, make me 100 black 100 floodprinted pale cunt color ? how do i give you the face ?
nubbins`: this is silkscreen, dpi is for digital prints ;D
nubbins`: 300dpi if you're including bitmaps
nubbins`: if it's just shapes/text, size doesn't really matter
nubbins`: convert 'em to shapes / outlines :D
nubbins`: in inkscape, Path > Object to path
Vexual: 100? save some til next conference, i want one
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: 100 black + 100 pussy pink would run ya about $160
nubbins`: per-unit cost decreases dramatically with larger orders, of course
ThickAsThieves: "It's with great excitement that we unveil the new Bitcoin.com, a user-friendly resource that shows how to acquire, store and spend your bitcoins."
http://www.bitcoin.com/ mircea_popescu: nubbins` you ever shipped anything to argentina before ?
ThickAsThieves: you could always run the job through 4over.com, the paper wouldnt be quite as nice, but few would notic
nubbins`: it's definitely cheaper to get cards done locally
Vexual: bueos airies gets planes muy times day
nubbins`: vistaprint makes 'em for what, 7 cents each?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 143 @ 0.00221413 = 0.3166 BTC [-] {12}
Vexual: how long does the moose take?
nubbins`: Vexual, about 3 hours in a stew
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno, prolly will be more expensive locally, cause they got hsit for tech
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.00208151 = 0.3268 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: yeah, i mean, it'd take us two weeks just to get the paper and print the cards
nubbins`: up-side is that you look like a baller handing out hand-printed business cards
mircea_popescu: maybe eventually, but i'll have to be handing out somethingmeanwhile.
nubbins`: i wonder will goat ever get around to getting his certs printed
nubbins`: now, if you're getting printed shit shipped to you, might as well go full-throttle, order up some mpex propaganda posters, get one of your staff to go around wheatpasting them in the financial district
diametric: asciilifeform: my friend johnny is still interested, when I met with him in DC recently and he told me about his new pnp machine, said he was interested.
mircea_popescu: im not much interested in advertising on the street in argentina tho
diametric: asciilifeform: we could go visit it anytime as well.
diametric: Rather I should rephrase, I have a standing invite to visit ultimachine whenever I want, I could bring you with
nubbins`: street advertising is very effective with the right message
nubbins`: doesn't argentina have crazy capital controls?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: effective in that it can make people think about, or do, things they wouldn't otherwise
nubbins`: thestringpuller: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
peterl: just got my first betbet refferal payment today
Vexual: didn't mp ask someone to poster wall st?
peterl: I wonder how much referal money I missed before the time thing got fixed?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: does that include shipping? I'm technically international
peterl: I think I started in January?
peterl: yeah, scammer you all ripped me off! ;)
assbot: Michael Geist - Supreme Court Delivers Huge Victory for Internet Privacy & Blows Away Gov't Plans for Reform
nubbins`: "The court notes that ISPs are not required to disclose this information and this case reaches the conclusion that they are not permitted to do so absent a warrant either."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 95 @ 0.042 = 3.99 BTC
assbot: If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: mthreat care to recommend a print shop that can print gold leaf/ink ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's been the new modern since what, the 20s ?
mthreat: mircea_popescu: i don't know, haven't printed anything like biz cards yet here
mthreat: the "8" looks like a snowman
mthreat: but i hope you go in asking for cunt-colored pink
mthreat: i think the word is "concha" but i'd have to ask around
mthreat: as in "concha de tu madre"
nubbins`: Gotham would be a better font for a text-only card like this
Mats_cd03: working on someone else's code _and_ having to learn a ui api is a pain in the ass
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87529984 BTC to 8`768 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
mthreat: ah ya, looks like "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4f43a6b3445b9a5aa6bcf173034b7962187151aef339d6f4e604160b
xmj: ThickAsThieves: some company at EuroBSDcon last year had 3.5" floppies as 'business cards'
davout: has a fetch for old computers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00082276 = 24.6828 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2215 = 0.886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34343 @ 0.00081994 = 28.1592 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
benkay: <kakobrekla> >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks! // who is this?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2215 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.221 BTC [-]
benkay: HEY IDIOT COME BACK WE NEED TO NEEDLE YOU MORE
gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun May 4 23:13:39 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: doesn't understand the WoT; don't trust this user's ratings.
assbot: Search Engine DuckDuckGo Now Lets Users Check Bitcoin Balances
mike_c: ;;rate BingoBoingo 3 mpif manager, decent gambler, good blogger.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00081949 = 17.3732 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22013973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00082345 = 27.0915 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07070707 = 0.3535 BTC [+]
nubbins`: first decent cup i've had in months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2828 BTC [+]
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform that was a sweet graphic
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 797 @ 0.00226585 = 1.8059 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still here sorry I went to lunch I have the payment ready
nubbins`: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
nubbins`: pm me size/address when you're ready
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.02998722 = 2.8488 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22969 @ 0.00081805 = 18.7898 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 130.74760208 BTC to 77`492 shares, 168724 satoshi per share
decimation: "fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird" << I actually sent "gpg unauth" to gribble before sending "test"
decimation: sorry if that messed with you, I was trying to see if I would be auto-kicked; apparently not
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.78, Best ask: 580.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 580.99, 24 hour volume: 36038.91241980, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 619.0, 24 hour vwap: 584.833373188
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0708 = 1.2744 BTC [+]
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i think gribs waits til you speak to deliver your messages
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00081875 = 27.8375 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: hey has anyone done any work estimating mining returns with infinite series?
benkay: monte carlo all the butts...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0302497 = 0.3025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00082088 = 20.9324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00082242 = 16.2839 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03025 = 1.0588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26676 @ 0.00081709 = 21.7967 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07079 = 0.2832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8667 @ 0.00082367 = 7.1387 BTC [+] {2}
Blazedout419: [12:54pm] <+danielpbarron> ;;rated Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 14, from 19 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 61 positive, 11 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0708 = 1.416 BTC [+]
mike_c: hah! get it? what AMAZING bot does kako run?
mike_c: aw. assbot fail. amazing.
TomServo: ;;gettrust Blazedout419 assbot
kakobrekla: Blazedout419 you are barley making sense
kakobrekla: on the one hand you claim you are not an investor yet 'invested' only x amount
kakobrekla: then that x amount barely counts as an investment
Blazedout419: it amuses me how people keep buying them with the same result over and over
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00082029 = 14.4781 BTC [-]
Blazedout419: how is nasty a scam...I must be dense to not see it
benkay: <kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00082238 = 0.5074 BTC [+]
Blazedout419: <+benkay> <kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about
[]bot: Bet placed: 3.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014"
http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48541412 BTC. Current weight: 64,854.
Namworld: Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought.
Namworld: Not sure about Nasty, no clue of the specifics.
benkay: all i know is that ognasty was a hxc pirate shill
kakobrekla: ognasty is some retarded pothead with no clue about clue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0708 = 0.708 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: Blazedout419 exercise for alert reader.
danielpbarron: <+Blazedout419> lol your ratings are a joke << the reason I queried my rating of you was to show that I had given you a -1 long before it was discovered that you somehow had enough +1's to get voice in here (as in, not my fault)
assbot: [POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, because you are stupid, and stupid is generally not given voice in here
Blazedout419: yeah I am dumb because you say something is a scam with no proof
danielpbarron: idk enough about this latest thing, but you are stupid because you don't understand the WoT (according to my rating)
TheNewDeal: oh my gosh. can't believe someone just bet both sides on the bastille day bet with a weight of like 150
danielpbarron: some of my -1s actually prevent users from having voice in here, so i wouldn't call that "0 weight"
Blazedout419: anyways i do not care about you or your ratings
benkay: Blazedout419: it's a scam in the same way all mining things are scams.
benkay: buy also you're getting trolled hard.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Blazedout419 has been recorded.
Blazedout419: now that is a perfect example of someone who does not understand the WoT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07018809 = 1.4739 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: nobody understands the wot ffs
benkay: it's got emergent behavior
danielpbarron: he apparently doesn't trust you; I wouldn't go as far as to give a -10, but that's just me
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0698667 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: Blazedout419: i assume asciilifeform wants to shut you up.
danielpbarron: the -10 is limited to a -1 because assbot only gave out +1s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0695 = 0.139 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: lol, asciilifeform just picked up a few more enemies from the gaggle of -otc idiots
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user TheButterZone has been recorded.
danielpbarron: TBZ is like "nope i don't see it in -otc so it must not have happened"
benkay: who do S and T sock for?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00081644 = 5.7151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
benkay: or is this some advanced trolling that's miles above my head
pankkake: I hate those "cry to mommy" ratings
danielpbarron: <+Ssateneth> he needs one more neg rate and he wont be able to rate people << is this true?
pankkake: now that's actual rating abuse
Apocalyptic: danielpbarron, some people have the power to prevent others from rating, yes
midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate.
Apocalyptic: midnightmagic, what's being evaluated is rating from someone in nano's direct trust
assbot: Ssateneth +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
gribble: You have not yet rated user Ssateneth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081643 = 25.5543 BTC [-]
Ssateneth: So what sort of shenanigans is going on in here.
Blazedout419: not much i got negrated for asking a question about a forum post is all
pankkake: so you rated asciilifeform without knowing?
Ssateneth: and saw a discussion. No samming. no flooding, nothing.
danielpbarron: Ssateneth, i'm pretty sure your rating was put in *before* i linked you to the -assets logs
Ssateneth: Just saw some random leave a -10 for "sp4mz0r" which, in itself, sounds ridiculous for a -10, especially with no solid proof in the rating.
Ssateneth: Then i checked to make sure it was unwarranted and I was correct.
danielpbarron: well if you weren't such a nobody, you'd know that asciilifeform is not "some random"
pankkake: I'm pretty sure organizing mass negrates is abusive behavior
Ssateneth: I'm looking at the log though. I see a discussion abotu somethign about 1.5 BTC worth fo shares bought a year ago, and stuff about other securities being scams or not.
Blazedout419: whatever im over it...just dont ask in this chan I guess
danielpbarron: Ssateneth, what flies in -otc doesn't necessarily fly in -assets
Ssateneth: Then someone who wasnt even involved in the discussion comes out of nowhere and -10's with the reason "sp4mz0r" which in itself sounds pretty immature. If it was something like "Spamming in #bitcoin-assets:
http://pastebin.com/blahblah" then I probably would have left it alone.
assbot: Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -10.
pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419
pankkake: doesn't change anything if you -10
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -1.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for asciilifeform.
Ssateneth: Thats more reasonable. I have no qualms with that.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.
kakobrekla: well this worked out nice well. now just to get nubbins and Apocalyptic to unrate ;>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]
Ssateneth: To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P
☟︎ kakobrekla: Apocalyptic afaik he just needs to lose 2
Apocalyptic: oh I may have a misconception about how assbot evaluates +v then
TomServo: looks like mrs tick ball on in the action too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: dont worry ascii, its just paint guns.
jurov: lol what i wanted to say?
mike_c: what you wanted to say was: ladies and gentlemen,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 10.12814390 BTC to 29`438 shares, 34405 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.02399982 = 0.672 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06999999 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20901 @ 0.00081881 = 17.1139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-]
jurov: kakobrekla i want to mass bitbet but it insists i nave to wait for 3 tries.. is there a way around?
jurov: can you, say, lift the limit if the payout address had seen some volume previously?
kakobrekla: wouldnt be much point if there would be a easy workaround
kakobrekla: i raised the limit now so you can do your thing
jurov: above proposal isn't exactly an easy workaround
mike_c: i am confused (and curious). what limit are you bumping into? requesting pages?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.0500009 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: ah. what's a "3 tries"?
jurov: i wanted to write "i requested 3 bet addresses"
jurov: i want to send all it in one tx
kakobrekla: several idiots made bots to pull as much addresses from bbet as possible
kakobrekla: but now when they see that simple limit, they stop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9562 @ 0.00081917 = 7.8329 BTC [+]
mike_c: (unless you don't want to divulge sekurity measures)
midnightmagic: I have a 204MB wallet here that takes > 2min or so to boot up bitcoind on a 32-core server which seems to suggest it can be done.
midnightmagic: and then for looser evidence, "I" have a >2GB namecoin wallet which makes namecoin nearly unusable without modifying the source as there appears to be a race condition on ResendWalletTransactions()
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 74 @ 0.01501068 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {4}
midnightmagic: note: once booted, that bitcoin node with 200MB wallet will operate at full speed. so when I say "bloat it into oblivion" I'm referring to bootup times.
jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such
jurov: otherwise it just silently drops connections
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999989 = 0.7 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: thats from some automated service or you did 200 megs of manual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00081631 = 26.8566 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: one of my oldest wallets from early 2011 has 6k txes and only 25megs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.06999999 = 4.69 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0709 = 0.709 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wait, there is a levorotary Kansas nao too? Qunatrill must have missed it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0709 = 1.2053 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: kakobrekla: i got what i needed, thx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07095 = 0.3548 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but why is the fingerprint over the name
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19238 @ 0.00081658 = 15.7094 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i bought 1/4 kg of prosciutto from this woman that i don't think has ever sold more than 18 grams at a time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.071 = 0.426 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.071 = 0.213 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02419083 = 0.1451 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: what amazing service do you run assbot:AMAZING COMPANY! << that was pretty cool lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07095 = 0.9933 BTC [-]
assbot: Blacklisted Bitcoins > Home
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In other news I found the turd that crashed firefox... Gnu Gnash. Firefox somehow installed it as it upgraded. Firefox now when I deign it to run, runs from jail.
mike_c: somebody actually uses flash?
mike_c: i thought steve jobs outlawed that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently Nigbuntu bundled it with a firefox uprade.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: But all those classic games where the stick figures fight
BingoBoingo wonders if he can get the lesser Mac, the Mac Classic online...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I guess next week I build a linuxen from toothpicks and take another machine online...
BingoBoingo: I'll drink on that possiility this weekend.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.07545454 = 0.83 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: Iraq Gets International Help... From Iran - The Wire
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 581.64, Best ask: 582.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 581.64, 24 hour volume: 31598.55053292, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 611.99, 24 hour vwap: 582.871423501
mircea_popescu: Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought. << the guy never said "give us some btc and in two years you can have 40 cents to the bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: if thjat were the proposition, then it'd have been just a dumb as fuck deal. even in that case, claiming it's not a scam is marginal, much in the way adding a nuclear device to your doorknob is endangerment, even if you think people shouldn't have fucked with the doorknob.
mircea_popescu: but all this is moot in the discussion at hand. nasty is some random dork and Blazedout419 is woefully uneducated. mpex is transparency, go read up on the corps that have been publishing their results each month for the past YEARS and so on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00082082 = 28.3183 BTC [+]
jurov: kako seems i broke bitbet twatter :D
mircea_popescu: ;;rate ognasty -1 pirate shill ; currently running a "security" that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.
Mats_cd03: does anyone want to buy my No stake in the spurs bet?
jurov: kakobrekla: okay, they appeared now
assbot: BitBet - South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.27 B (51%) on Yes, 0.26 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 92`292 (100`000 to 10`000)
kakobrekla: >As bitbet grows more popular, there SHOULD be a greater number of bets imo. And that includes sports.
kakobrekla: generally i dont like cookies. too dry.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Prolly the ultimatum brought some action. Ultimatum or not, I just can't care about any "competition" that usually ends in a draw and hugs for everybody.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Ssateneth -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thebutterzone suppose you clear asciilifeform and that way i don't have to neg you too.
mircea_popescu: cheeky the -otc derps. fucking periphery of the periphery, somehow they imagine themselves central and unique in that.
kakobrekla: well theres a whole charade goin on in #bitcoin-ratings :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.071 = 0.355 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate. << good thing they finally moved away from the total rating model, that was silly.
gribble: Time since last block: 17 minutes and 4 seconds
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mrstickball -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
jurov: uh oh bitbet won't replace ref cookie unless user deletes it manually? pure evil
jurov: i just bought bingoboingo a beer or two
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0719 = 0.2876 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing << honestly i don't think so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07199999 = 0.792 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: i understand it's better this way, just venting
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol what i wanted to say? << jurov caught drunk in the logs ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2153 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249999 = 0.145 BTC [+]
pankkake: jurov: actually the ref cookie expires at session, I think
jurov hugs BingoBoingo, starts to sway and sing uneasily
jurov: pankkake: it must be persistent, i did not open his ref link today
mircea_popescu: jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such << yes that ;/
jurov: yes, it is, i tried
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.21053601 = 14.1059 BTC [-] {12}
jurov: hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain
BingoBoingo: Now I imagine everyone will check their cookies for the right cookies before betting.
kakobrekla: check you cookies before you wreck yourself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors. << i'm not. too big (thick, bulky) for my taste.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aff is kinda intended for the peeps that don't even know there's something to check
gribble: Time since last block: 28 minutes and 16 seconds
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do those peeps still have coins they aren't buring on Mastersafe and stuff like that?
kakobrekla: <jurov> hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain < yeah at some point somebody will do something about that.
jurov: that's gonna be my legacy. first b-a donation address, then this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07249999 = 0.2175 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: at least this time its not going to some schmuck
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The peeps pete wrote on today. The kind that just might have enough coin to BitBet but burn it because their WoTs are broke.
jurov: kako it went to booze
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they thyemselves do not. the unfortunate noobs that they try to buddy buddy however do.
BingoBoingo: jurov: No, this is incoming for the blog's sustainment fund.
jurov: we all know with what stuff is the blog sustained
mdev: since I was banned in #bitcoin, what's your guys thoughts on the ghash.io and the 51%?
BingoBoingo: Well, once this USG dumping is over hopefully come hosting time next year these contributions will go for a nice handle of something while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo
mdev: apparently they've had over 20% for awhile and even at that level they could have done some damage with double spend had they wanted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0725 = 0.29 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mdev: Bitcoin is too valuable for ghash.io to do serious damage at 51% plus so long as miners are economically motivated...
mdev: bingo that's what I was thinking, plus they're a legit business in london
fluffypony: mdev: you got banned from #bitcoin?? lol
mdev: no reason to risk that
mdev: fluffy yeah a month ban
mdev: that channel is so toxic, admins so incredibly abusive lol
fluffypony: let me guess...you dared to question someone?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, you know, like Blazedout419 did here :D
BingoBoingo: mdev: Ghash fucks up, hopefully enough miners like money to flee.
pankkake: keep in mind 51% attack = 51% *attack*. bitcoin relies on the majority of miners being honest
mdev: I was having a disagreement about private companies being forced to disclose income, with various other users, and a bitcoin op stealth banned me(used a bot), for apparently a month
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, and nobody banned him
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, no, he's actually clueless and a time waster
pankkake: stealth ban = ban but the mod stays anonymous?
pankkake: like bitcointalk. wonderful. that's the tool of scammers.
mdev: I talked to another op in private about it, and lol...that channel is just not good with them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on
mdev: stealth ban yeah another mod had no idea who set it
mircea_popescu: <mdev> them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on << you know this sounds like cheap copying -assets :D
mdev: I been banned in there a lot, in the past some ops agreed the ban shouldn't have been set but didn't do anything to lift it!
mdev: where do I register again?
mdev: looked at your guys blog/site but was confusing
assbot: BitFury Pulls 1PH/s of Mining Power from Ghash.io Amid Community Uproar
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mdev: bitcointalk btw has some of the same mods, at the very least gmaxwell is there
pankkake: also, remember when Deepbit was the big bad pool? reddit was all over it too
mircea_popescu: pankkake btc guild somehow never was the big bad guild
mdev: who controls gribble?
pankkake: mircea_popescu: oh no it was for a bit too
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kakobrekla: x<BingoBoingo> Pools rise and fall. < thats true but its incredibly hard to start one these days
assbot: For the love of Bitcoin, Stop mining at BTC Guild! - They'll control the network if they reach +50% : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well starting a pools takes a lot of coin which really limits the number of people who can do it.
mdev: how can btc guild control 50% if ghash.io already controls 51%?
kakobrekla: prolly better to own gear than coin in such case.
assbot: To all of the deepbit whiners.
BingoBoingo: mdev: It's why going back in the logs and the older parts of the forum is valuable. Many of these things happened before.
mdev: BingoBoingo that's an interesting point, and bitcoin is still standing
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BingoBoingo: mdev: Ideally it is a self correcting issue.
mdev: if ghash abuses everyone will know and they'll be done, they don't control the users hardware anyway
kakobrekla: now everyone is on rounds that last x of time
kakobrekla: and then spread the blocks found over x rounds
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pankkake: the difference with ghash.io is that most of their hashrate is also controlled by them
pankkake: the solution would be to stop buying that crap cloud mining!
kakobrekla: so if you dont find block your payouts will still be too irregular and you cant do pps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07399248 = 2.2198 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: what do you mean? they sell it to users, probably at a loss (for the users)
pankkake: so I don't understand "not yet amortised"
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Dimsler: kakobrekla, so what if ghash has majority steak
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the gear they sold is sold. i thought he meant sold hashes, ie, rented gear
Dimsler: how the hell does that matter
Dimsler: what are they going to do?
kakobrekla: so once you buy that shit, they are out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07400199 = 0.37 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok, but you understand the cost for 50% of the hash is like... 2 to 500k btc
mircea_popescu: they've sold "virtual chips" to forum derps for 500-1k btc
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mdev: dang you guys really invested in #bitcoin stuff huh
mdev: same bot, same tech, same owners stuff
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mircea_popescu: mdev there's a world out there made of agglomerated shitheads, who imagine themselves innovators and revolutionaries, but in practice live out of not-invented-here syndrome and bad pr.
mircea_popescu: the world in here is quite opposite. if someone does something well everyone breathes a sigh of relief and uses it.
FlyDuch: guys can i sell btc for ltc here
mircea_popescu: because life's too short to re-do all the shit all the time
mdev: just putting a lot of trust in nanotube, i've never seen really the guy talk but I think he owns gribble as well, and is founder of #bitcoin as well
pankkake: I don't trust him, and I backup the otc db :)
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fluffypony: FlyDuch: #bitcoin-otc is probably a better venue
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pankkake: FlyDuch: why wouldn't you use one of the many exchanges to do that?
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pankkake: yes, but since he was !uped back, I'm biting :)
Apocalyptic: I guess mircea is running low on entertainment tonight :)
mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter is that i don't have an actual personality, i just do the opposite of what y'all are doing.
kakobrekla: well if you are doing the opposite of something you prolly are not in agreement with it
mircea_popescu: generally, i rarely think someone is as smart as they think themselves. similarly, i rarely think someone is as dumb as they think themselves. so there :D
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kakobrekla: ok. i could go on but i rather wont. :)
mircea_popescu: lol that asciilifeform - Blazedout419 situation de-escalated quickly.
mircea_popescu: you know, back in the 2011 days something like this'd have raged for a week
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Blazedout419: I was just asking a few questions...then it got crazy in here :p
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 it was honestly undistinguishable from trollage you gotta appreciate.
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Blazedout419: Well sorry if it came off that way, but that is the first time i have ever been called a troll
Blazedout419: I was talking to kakobrekla anyways not asciilifeform
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mircea_popescu: "Joe: No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down. No way. I pick. You're Mr. Pink. Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow."
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fluffypony: they list a developer under their "management team"
fluffypony: also, how can they have a PR person on Bitcointalk without said PR person also being listed in their "management team" alongside the developer?
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fluffypony: the "lead developer" maybe, by some definition of management I'm unfamiliar with
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you have a tech run a team of techs he's technically management now
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benkay: ;;rate ognasty -1 pirate/BCST shill
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mike_c: dumb question: is there any way to cryptographically prove you signed something on a certain date.
mike_c: but i could sign something today with june 1st in it.
mike_c: i don't think there is, but thought i'd ask to make sure i wasn't missing some clever trick.
mircea_popescu: if you want to declare the date being x, include the date.
mircea_popescu: if you want to prove the date is no earlier than X, include a block hash say.
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mike_c: yeah, that works going that way. i need to go the other though.
fluffypony: selfie of you holding the newspaper for that day
mircea_popescu: Block #305659 Hash0000000000000000118b4c104bd3cdf62ddcbcfdcb66af97aadff2116e86a842 could not be known pre 2014-06-13 23:ish
mike_c: like, i want to be able to say today "here is proof that I signed this on June 1st, not June 13th"
mircea_popescu: to prove you signed it no later than X, publish it on the record date.
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mdev: but yeah as other have said the problem with date is you can set it to what you want, so only way to confirm the date is used a 3rd party someone trusts
mdev: or various I suppose
mike_c: ah, so, like stuff something in the blockchain
mdev: bitcoin trusts no ones date, they don't use dates they use difficulty I think
mdev: and try and average solving to 10 minutes
mdev: even though it's gone over an hour before...
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fluffypony: mike_c: what sort of longevity do you need on it?
mike_c: well, basically what i said. i want to be able to say "here's the signed statement. here is incontravertible proof i have not mucked with it since XX date"
fluffypony: [01:15:01] mdev: your abuse won't be tolerated
fluffypony: mike_c: pastebin it (pastebin keeps the date) + dump the signature here
fluffypony: even if pastebin disappears you have a copy, and the signature can be verified by any of us that keep logs
mike_c: log.b-a or my blog still requires trust. blockchain doesn't, but i'm not a fan of abusing chain for this kind of stuff. pastebin i guess works. nobody would believe they were in on the scamz.
fluffypony: I log, and I'm sure dozens of others do
fluffypony: oh yes good point kakobrekla - you can add a link to archive.org on a particular date
mike_c: that thing still works? impressive.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, the hardcore future problem is not resolvable, as entropy only goes one way
mircea_popescu: you can prove you know something and so establish it one way, but you can't prove you didn't know something.
mike_c: not 100% resolvable, but blockchain stuffing comes close.
mircea_popescu: blocks reorg. how do you know you won't end up on a dead chain
mike_c: the thing is, it depends who you are "proving" to. since i am a b-a lackey, clearly i could get the logs mucked with. and nobody is going to care that fluffypony's copy agrees with it.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since you're in bitcoin, clearly you could have the blockchain mucked.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem as stated is unresolvable. as the future includes the past, you can't by yourself prove you were anterior to a point. only ulteriority can be proven that hardcore
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mircea_popescu: which incidentally coallesces into a very strong attack on IP
mike_c: yes, you can only provide evidence, not proof.
mircea_popescu: the original impetuus driving herodotus was his own identity.
mircea_popescu: namely, proving he was there by including descriptions of events, which establishes his presence.
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mircea_popescu: if your average us citizen got to run as much as a chicken coop... woe on those chickens.
mircea_popescu: "Yeah. I was just kind of wondering how much trouble it could cause if hundreds of people internationally started contacting his government demanding action to investigate his bitcoin involvement and possible unethical activities."
mircea_popescu: this would be your random shitstain wanting to be "anonymous".
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kakobrekla: he got pissed how this nanotube challenge is stupid, life is unfair and blah blah
teward: he got banned for those antics in other channels, if my memory serves me right...
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kakobrekla: <mdev>you should remove the !up thing, it's an annoying system
kakobrekla: <mdev>you're giving everyone with voice the ability to up/down voice everyone who hasn't gone through the nanotube challenge
teward: the 'nanotube challenge'... he's talking about the OTC auth system isn't he...
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