assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00095797 = 7.8075 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.047899 = 0.2874 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.0, Best ask: 363.12, Bid-ask spread: 2.12000, Last trade: 363.12, 24 hour volume: 49912.39410578, 24 hour low: 357.57, 24 hour high: 442.46, 24 hour vwap: 398.8274112
benkay: why don't you bring the link
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 357.04, Best ask: 357.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 357.04, 24 hour volume: 50103.19440652, 24 hour low: 357.04, 24 hour high: 442.46, 24 hour vwap: 398.721153266
mircea_popescu: SatoshiJack there is really no diff between bitcoin and altcoin addy gen. same algo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5603 @ 0.00095797 = 5.3675 BTC [-]
SatoshiJack: I hear ya mp... my issue is how to generate the transactions --- and send --- blockr does not provide -- but it's all good -- we are working around :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58000001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58 = 11.6 BTC [-]
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jborkl_: Mircea , you see the mtgox news yet? Not that is any surprise
jborkl_: Mtgox possibly being bought
jborkl_: WSJ reported a couple hours ago
danielpbarron: does that mean all those GoxCoins are worth something after all?
MisterE: handed over in terms of "take my exchange, please"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11047 @ 0.00095797 = 10.5827 BTC [-]
minersdidit: bitcoin will probably be back to single digits by the time they settle that mess
jborkl_: They would be assuming debt also
minersdidit: wasnt karpeles using it as his personal piggyback?
minersdidit: bitcoins shitty economic algo killed the value
danielpbarron: yeah the devs should have written it to give 50 billion units to their friends every month so it could be more like the dollar
minersdidit: bitcoin follows quantity theory of money which is flawed.
minersdidit: it will always have insane volatility. miners create 3600 coins even under falling demand
minersdidit: or when value rises theres no mechanism to supply the market
minersdidit: youll have persistent periods of hyper deflation and hyper inflation like now
danielpbarron: i'd rather have a volitile good money than a stable bad money
minersdidit: yea you arent very bright. the economics are flawed you have insane costs
minersdidit: its not about price stability that is absurd as well
minersdidit: you have no mechanisms that respond to market demands for money
minersdidit: whats a trading post got to do with anything lol
minersdidit: money has to be elastic it cant be static ie linear
Duffer1: i don't see how you can say that when nothing like bitcoin has existed before
minersdidit: 100% gold standard did the exact same thing
Duffer1: instant, secure, worldwide, private value transmission does not = gold
minersdidit: danielpbarron: because economies are fractals they arent linear
minersdidit: im not argueing the superior technicalities
minersdidit: im argueing the flawed economics behind the coin creation
mike_c: what money are you talking about? m1?
minersdidit: when the market demands for money increase bitcoin has no mechanism to supply it and vice versa
Duffer1: you mean you're ignoring the technical superiority in favor of your baseless assertions
minersdidit: my assertions are baseless look at the price goes from 80 to 1200 back down
danielpbarron: minersdidit: the things you are saying are not true
minersdidit: making it impossible to use as settlement.
Duffer1: "that will always occur because.. gold"?
danielpbarron: bitcoin does indeed have many meechanisms to supply
minersdidit: danielpbarron of course they are true. we can observe it occuring
minersdidit: miners create coins regardless of market needs for them, this increases volatility when they drain the liquidity pools
danielpbarron: you must have your eyes closed then, because there are tens of thousands of "mechanisms"
danielpbarron: you are making the argument that a central bank knows better than a decentralized network
Duffer1: anyways have you guys heard the great news?
danielpbarron: even if the central bank was better at stabilizing prices (it isn't) that wouldn't make up for the corruption inherent in giving that much power to one authority
minersdidit: danielpbarron um when did i bring up central banking or fiat?
Duffer1: for only 11,200 btc you can be the proud owners of 40% of YET ANOTHER havelol startup
minersdidit: and when did i say stable prices are optimal?
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minersdidit: typical bitcoin shill. instantly brings up the fiat strawman that was never discussed in the first place
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00096211 = 6.3018 BTC [+] {2}
minersdidit: when the market needs bitcoin theres no mechanism to supply them other then the set in stone linear 3600 coins, this brings insane price volatility to the upside
danielpbarron: ok so you want something like bitcoin, but with.. more inflation? or a backdoor to let devs tweak the block reward?
minersdidit: when that wanes out, you get insane volatility to the downside as the algo keeps supplying useless coins
minersdidit: no for bitcoin to work you need some decentralized system that works on the real bills doctrine
minersdidit: thats the only way the gold standard functioned
Duffer1: minersdiditwhen the market needs bitcoin theres no mechanism to supply them >>> you work for money, that's the mechanism
minersdidit: when that mechanism was removed it collapsed
Duffer1: why would it issue more than you work for?
minersdidit: duffer1 um no you dont work for bitcoins when the volatility is so insane you cant measure what your work is even worth.
Duffer1: simply because the market wants it to?
minersdidit: a money supply expands and contracts ie ELASTIC
minersdidit: lol dude you cant even tell me what your work was worth an hour ago
benkay: i;ll price my work quite happily in btc
Duffer1: it's worth x btc, what people choose to price that in fiat is a separate matter
minersdidit: you can "price" bitcoin in anything since its a ratio
danielpbarron: idk, i think these only appear to be problems to individuals who still have a foot in FIAT
minersdidit: you cant value your work when the meter stick you are using is a rubber band
danielpbarron: if all your inputs and outputs are BTC, you wouldn't notice so much
benkay: the other side is that i know the fraction of the monetary reserve my work is worth
mike_c: curious, where would you have "stabilized" the price? $1? $10?
benkay: i find that rather satisfying.
minersdidit: i wouldnt stabalize the price. i just told you, you need something like decentralized discount bills that settle in BTC
minersdidit: thats beyond your primitive understanding to even bother explaining
mike_c: try speaking english, that will help.
minersdidit: its not about PRICE satbility. its about mechanisms that respond to market needs hence reducing volatility
Duffer1: minersdiditand im not talking about fiat price >> yes you are, your btc work will always be worth x btc, the only volatility is fiat market pricing of that work
minersdidit: price stability is NOT wanted in any economy
benkay: <minersdidit> thats beyond your primitive understanding to even bother explaining << tiberius move, iirc
minersdidit: bitcoin cant work alone its already been tried with 100% gold
mike_c: actually 5% gold 95% tungsten
benkay: claim, claim, claim, wait for sucker to bite, argue, say 'you're too stupid for me to possibly explain this'
danielpbarron: the old states used to water down the gold coins; nothing new under the sun
benkay: government will always dilute the currency, given the opportunity.
minersdidit: i dont have to claim anything the evidence is all around you
benkay: luckily it doesn't matter
benkay: if it's still blow stamps for kiddies at that point, no big.
minersdidit: @ $1200 a btc miners were being subsidized to the tune of 5million dollars to secure 80k transactions
benkay: i have resource streams.
mike_c: my bitcoin is still worth a bitcoin. except the ones i lost on that stupid $400 bitbet.
benkay: no, those are still worth 1B too.
minersdidit: it was impossible to sustain becuase we dont even have 1billion of fiat on order books
benkay: sounds like a bubble, minersdidit
minersdidit: miners now get paid what 1million to secure the same 80k transactions
minersdidit: do you see the problem here? as the real value rises so does the cost to run the network
benkay: how is the subsidy different and the txn value the same?
minersdidit: the subsidy is like a $40 per transfer tax
danielpbarron: minersdidit: do you know how much wealth is wasted running the current financial system?
Duffer1: you're pricing mining activity in fiat?
benkay: miners got paid 25 bitcoin to move some other number of btc around, plus txn fees
minersdidit: miners had obscene margins and every incentive to realize them
minersdidit: miners created bitstamps order book every 3 days in november
benkay: lose everything buying at 1200, minersdidit ?
Duffer1: since that's the reward for doing the work..
minersdidit: they are getting paid extra for no new work performed
benkay: still not really caring.
minersdidit: theres not enough fiat demand to support what miners are creating out of thin air everyday
steven-__: not sure im following you minersdidit
mike_c: is there any fiat demand? who wants fiat?
minersdidit: 3600 coins per day x 400 is what the miners are being paid in subsidies
Duffer1: coin generation, network security are work as well
minersdidit: to "secure" a network that only transfers 67k
danielpbarron: minersdidit: there is a lot of wealth that will be fleeing FIAT soon, and it will choose Bitcoin
minersdidit: bitcoin has no liquidity to support any type of wealth fleeing into it
minersdidit: and for every seller of BTC there is also a buyer
danielpbarron: ok, that statement seems to completely contradict the other stuff you've been saying
Duffer1: capital flight will seek precious metals and other solid commodities imo, btc a bit too
danielpbarron: either there is too much BTC or not enough? which is it?
TestingUnoDosTre: mike_c, at least you didn't almost lose .5 btc at the last minute like this guy <-----
minersdidit: no it doesnt. the quantity theory of money that bitcoin is based on, guarantees insane volatility
minersdidit: hence why 5 years in we still have out of control price swings
benkay: so make the perfect alt
mike_c: TestingUnoDosTre: um, i actually lost. seems worse than almost lost :)
minersdidit: money has to reflect what the economy is doing, which is a fractal it expands and contracts hence elastic
minersdidit: bitcoins value is relative to the liquidity pool of bids that is available
benkay: economy is a fractal yo
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benkay: lay off the entheogens, kid.
Duffer1: this whole conversation >.<
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2771 @ 0.00095723 = 2.6525 BTC [-]
benkay: resorts to ad hominems
minersdidit: youll have persistent hyperinflation and hyperdeflation
danielpbarron: i'm starting to get what you are saying, minersdidit, but I still don't agree
minersdidit: its not my theory, its reality look how bitcoin acts
akstunt600: minersdidit, Sooo that why dogecoin is better?
danielpbarron: well it only took the dollar a century to lose most of its value; Bitcoin's looking pretty good
minersdidit: 5 years on the internet with instant information awareness is like 100-200 years
MGK: anyone interested in buying a graded MS65 1btc coin?
danielpbarron: i've never seen Bitcoin lose most its value, but I wasn't around for that first MtGox hack
MGK: never heard of those?
minersdidit: danialbarron its lost what 40% in the last 24hrs alone?
minersdidit: what will it take for you to see most of its value? 51%?
benkay: say we clear back to 10
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03587424 = 0.7175 BTC [+] {7}
minersdidit: bitcoin has lost about 60% of its "value" from january 1st
benkay: it's lost none of its value.
benkay: the crypto's still rock solid.
benkay: the txn net is stronger than ever.
benkay: the fundamentals remain.
benkay: fiat pricing silliness has not and never will matter.
TestingUnoDosTre: alright, but if you had 10 dollars waiting to invest in bitcoin last week, versus today, how much more bitcoin would it buy benkay?
benkay: make this argument in a decade.
benkay: not you, TestingUnoDosTre
benkay: the "it's crazy vix week dot butts! bitcoin is useless!" argument.
minersdidit: bitcoin will be at version 0.92 in a decade with the current developmeant team
TestingUnoDosTre: bitcoin utility hasn't budged a bit, but the value has most definitely dropped
benkay: see now jump to a new topic, a new stupid claim
minersdidit: the utility sucks. 30% value swings in 24hrs
benkay: utility != price, price != value
minersdidit: plus horrendous bid/ask spread when trying to get some
benkay: yeah it's expensive and hard to get. what of it?
danielpbarron: this is ridiculous, it's open source; if the devs really did suck (arguable..) then new ones will sprout up
benkay: reference client isn't the only client
benkay: conformal do you even?
minersdidit: will mircea come in with a donation like openbsd lol
Duffer1: minersdiditnobody pays them to sprout up >> have you heard of github?
benkay: github.com/conformal/btcd
minersdidit: bitcoin developers are poor quality because their is zero incentive to attract proper professionals
benkay: read the conformal source. next.
minersdidit: its a circus of amateurs from the last dotcom crash
benkay waits for this thread of troll to spin out
minersdidit: how is it laughable, theres persistent amateur bugs discovered
danielpbarron: there is probably some truth to that one (re: amateurs from dotcom)
minersdidit: all the failures of the dotcom crash resurfaced in bitcoin
TestingUnoDosTre: how quickly was an openSSL bug patched in the bitcoin community when released
mircea_popescu: so are we getting a proposal on how to fix bitcoin or noit just yet ?
BCB: mircea_popescu, did you see that new paper about regulation
danielpbarron: yeah get to the point and write your new superbitcoin already, minersdidit
benkay: princessnell's, most likely.
minersdidit: bitcoin development team = losers from dotcom bust
minersdidit: drifted on the internet for a decade until bitcoin came along
Trader1333: i am wondering if there is a way to buy future contracts for BTC?
danielpbarron: if you want to rile bitcoiners up with that line, go to #bitcoin-dev
Trader1333: trying to acquire either 5 BTC weekly or $2500.
Trader1333: willing to do a legally binding agreement of such and put forth my car as compensation should it cost too much
minersdidit: losers will always be losers, bitcoin allowed that particular group to get "another chance" to return to silicon valley, hence their constant obsession with conferences
danielpbarron: Trader1333: you sure about that? I hear Bitcoin is too volitile to be worth anything
Trader1333: i see BTC dropping to $100 but i dont care i need BTC weekly and constant. i need a way to buy BTC and i dont care if it goes to $10k or $1 im buying same amount weekly
danielpbarron: hah, I live really close to the last conference and I didn't go (or even hear about it)
Duffer1: i'm reminded of krugman's 'why the internet will never be popular' thesis..
Trader1333: i flip it weekly and make good margins. hell i make more than someone as a general manager of a fast food joint and i only do it for 5 hours a week roughly.
minersdidit: i dont think anyone except andreas denies that lol
Trader1333: problem is this stupid market no one wants to sell. so i figured if i offered a contract to buy at 1% above bitstamp the same amount every week, month to month contract, there would be some interest.
Trader1333: dont have time for the stupid market volatility.
minersdidit: if you actually read krugmans article he was kind of correct.
minersdidit: the internet generation is poorer then their parents
minersdidit: that simple fact shows you that the internet failied to deliver the utopia guys like andreas claimed it did
benkay: new, unrelated tangent...
minersdidit: and silicon valley "tech" and innovation is a joke. they create companies that sell advertisements
benkay: fun trollage in here this afternoon
Trader1333: know its not the place, but if anyone wishes to sell 6.6 BTC let me know. or a contract to buy $2500 on Monday at whatever bitstamp +1% is.
Trader1333: go to OTC where its a bunch of circle jerkers no thank you. oh and escrow is required.
benkay: well with trust like that
minersdidit: any bets up on bitbet when bitstamp goes the way of mtgox?
benkay: surely you're familiar with a search bar, minersdidit
minersdidit: already starting not to pay people out larger then a few K ammounts
Trader1333: @benkay who cares about trust, we use an escrow. cash deposit, moneypak, whatever method you need.
Trader1333: i dont come on IRC after i got thrown out for basically buying and wouldnt accept the chatroom's escrow.
benkay: run up into a foreigners bar
Trader1333: i only use members of bitcointalk such as DannyHamilton, Tomatocage, escrow.ms, etc.
benkay: "TREAT ME LIKE THEY DO BACK HOME RAAARGH"
MGK: who are you on bitcointalk forum?
danielpbarron: everyone is a scammer if you give them enough time or money.. except me! you can trust me
Trader1333: does anyone know a place in BTC that sells futures for BTC price?
Trader1333: i need a way to lock in prices when i buy or get buy order fulfilled.
minersdidit: mircea will sell you anything but good luck ever getting out of the trade.
Trader1333: i have no interest in getting out of the trade.
Trader1333: im looking for a way that i can preserve my USD investment value.
Trader1333: i buy BTC on coinbase and want the same USD value come friday whether the value of BTC has gone up 100% or down to $1.
Trader1333: personally i see BTC dropping to $100 anyways
Trader1333: but like i said, i am not an investor in BTC at anything over $100. im only a mover.
Trader1333: i need constant BTC coming in which is what is slowing things down right now as this stupid bullshit pyramid scheme basically market was quickly raised to $1100 and now people think itd actually go back, ha.
Trader1333: Pump and dump and everyone fell for it and people still fail to see itl lol.
benkay: court jester, if you will.
BCB: mircea_popescu, linked above
Trader1333: Popescu do you offer a way I can hedge a BTC purchase I make every week on Monday so that it remains the same USD value whether it goes up or down...a futures contract if you will.
mircea_popescu: Trader1333 probably not. you have no wot and generally, nobody gives a shit.
Trader1333: dont care about WOT willing to meet in person if need be and sign contract binding my car to failure to pay. i buy 5 BTC weekly or $2500 every week, month to month contracts.
mircea_popescu: you'll pay whatever it costs whenever you find anyone willing to sell yoiu some. if you ever do.
Trader1333: hell ill escrow the following week's payments too.
Trader1333: not against escrow, just wish i had options. i would use coinbase instant buy but they changed their bullshit to only being visa credit cards for backing the account.
minersdidit: mircea_popescu: comment on development team
Trader1333: $2400 cash in hand last 4 days and willing to buy BTC at bitstamp +1% and have it in hand same day. Its impossible. When market rising and things good could find it all the time.
mircea_popescu: BCB what's unclear to me is why are any of those three people qualified to opine on regulation.
MGK: you sound like a total scammer
benkay: plus cash sucks, Trader1333, gotta go with moneypak
Trader1333: Do tell MGK how i sound AT ALL like a scammer.
Trader1333: i say escrow, i say next week's payment in advance and all.
Trader1333: you want to run your mouth and u dont know me.
MGK: trader1333 scamming since 1994
Trader1333: does bitsimple accept any other methods besides bank wire? i'd use them all day if there wasnt that stupid bank wire fee.
minersdidit: TAT was mirceas nigger for a bit before going off on his own and hawking the latest scams
Trader1333: oh really? wheres that number come from u nit?
thestringpuller: minersdidit: he reapid XBOND, people made that a bubble and ruined it
BCB: mircea_popescu, someon has to do it. Speculating about bitcoin is a cottage industry
MGK: BCB buy this MS65 1BTC coin from me I got from NightOwl
BCB: an they I love physical bitcoin.
BCB: There are some nice ones out there
BCB: But I already have too many
danielpbarron: I almost did and then the next day some hacker figured out a way to get the key without ruining the sticker
BCB: The Silver Bitcoin Wallets are nice
MGK: yeah I sold a .5 to blazedout and looking to sell this one too
MGK: but this ones in a ANAC case
BCB: I only collect 10 and 100 BTC coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15474 @ 0.00095701 = 14.8088 BTC [-] {2}
BCB: mostly casascius coin. I have a few Titians and a Silver Wallet.
MisterE: *sigh* gonna be a long log to catch up on today :)
MisterE: TestingUnoDosTre: numismatic value :p
Duffer1: misere you can probably skip the bit where minersdidit starts talking up through now, nothing of value imo
TestingUnoDosTre: is that like the value of the penny after they stopped using copper?
Duffer1: mistere.. dat frued slip do
minersdidit: i thought this was suppose to be the smarter chat
minersdidit: instead the same shills repeat the same lines
MisterE: probably have more holdings tho :p
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MisterE: minersdidit: they would really benefit from your wealth of knowledge in the BTCe chatbox
MGK: all honesty bitcoin is stupid slow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.000145 = 2.175 BTC [-] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: it takes me lieeeeeek 3 days to sell it and get fiat to my bank
benkay: real world is slow anyways
MGK: it takes like 3 days for me to send bitcoin
MisterE: MGK: stop being a tight ass and include some tx fee it will be instant
MGK: yeah I cashed out from ghash 30mins ago
danielpbarron: bitcoin is slow????? try getting your FIAT in 30 minutes
MisterE: you can, Western Union but you will pay dearly for it
MGK: if btc was so great I wouldnt need FIAT
minersdidit: lol go send btc in 5minutes to someone you cant even locate it in a city
MisterE: btc finds them wherever they go with their wallet
danielpbarron: Bitcoin doesn't require a palm print; that's FIAT's doing
minersdidit: no thats just stupid nerds and robocoins doing
MGK: last block mined was 1hr 13min ago
minersdidit: danielpbarron yea and localbitcoins has like a 3-10% spread.
minersdidit: nobody earns a bitcoin income other then miners
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00583999 = 0.584 BTC [-]
minersdidit: no im criticizing it for bitcoins problems
minersdidit: how can you get any if 80% of them are held by 50 people
MisterE: you've yet to articulate an accurate problem that I've seen
MisterE: they are infinitely divisible
minersdidit: even if you offer services and producers youll never get any customers
minersdidit: since nobody has them in the first place lol
MisterE: no sense wasting your time here with a failed technology eh?
MGK: I just said that testing
danielpbarron: I wonder if a bunch of miners turned off their rigs with the price dip
MGK: but that wont be the case ever
MisterE: danielpbarron: thats exactly what happend
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MGK: and GHAH mines the block
danielpbarron: minersdidit: there is a very predictable price point at which miners are better off buying BTC rather than buying electricity to mine
minersdidit: danielpbarron: you are clueless. producing an ASIC costs nothing, just becuase some scam companies sell them to retail tards for 20,000% markup does not mean they cost alot to make. the concentrated miners are producing BTC for next to free.
minersdidit: some tard in his basement maybe has high costs
danielpbarron: minersdidit: right, but that has nothing to do with operating costs
minersdidit: the operating costs are 2 dollars a coin and you sell for 370
minersdidit: tard trades paycheck for what a miner produced out of thin air
minersdidit: only reason mining hardware is sold in the first place is because of the 20,000% markups and you get straight up fiat without having to mine BTC first then do the pain in the ass conversion
minersdidit: so its like you already mined the rewards when you sell hardware
Duffer1: i'm trying not to, everything you've said is so wrong in so many ways it's giving me a headache
minersdidit: tards labor away and get their paycheck to hand over to ASK side. you know someone has to be selling BTC for fiat. if its the "future" why are they selling it
minersdidit: miners are on the ask side since they are the only ones with BTC incomes
TestingUnoDosTre: please perform a calculation with known hardware at current difficulty and electricity costs minersdidit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00095807 = 11.5926 BTC [+] {2}
minersdidit: dude that calculation is meanigless because half these asics cost jackshit
Duffer1: also calculate how much is being sold vs how much isn't
minersdidit: retail tards have to make back their equipment they paid 20,000% markup for
minersdidit: even they realized its better to sell for fiat at 20,000% profit then mining BTCs lol.
danielpbarron: they might even have used that 20000% markup to buy BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00095686 = 0.7655 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03417221 = 0.9226 BTC [-] {11}
minersdidit: tards think they are participating or buying a piece of "technology" lol all they are doing is transfering wealth from 1 party to another
minersdidit: ask yourself whose on the sell side when 50 people own almost all the coins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05141349 = 1.0283 BTC [-] {5}
minersdidit: bitcoin has zero utility outside of its EXCHANGE value.
minersdidit: everything youve named has utility outside of exchange
minersdidit: gold is special because it has a high stock to flow ratio
benkay: what suckers have btc debts?
minersdidit: ie in 24hrs more gold is traded then mined in a given year
danielpbarron: wait what? gold is good for the same reason Bitcoin is bad??
benkay: give it 80 years, and bitcoin will be in the same position.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.05020911 = 1.6569 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: 'cept of course send it to someone in argentina
[\]: can't do anything with a dollar
minersdidit: if theres no liquidity the price collapses like now
minersdidit: if theres no exchange liquidity the value tanks like now
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.68, Best ask: 356.89, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 356.89, 24 hour volume: 61196.03807026, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 436.06, 24 hour vwap: 389.993712597
MisterE: god has some industrial uses too
MisterE: it's being consumed slowly
benkay: holy fuck that's a descent rate
minersdidit: bitcoin has zero useage outside of its liquidity pool
nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: once is fine, spamming with it isn't ;)
[\]: who's the guy that keeps repeating the same statement over and over
[\]: oh, that's right, the troll
[\]: oh look, jackass that has to name himself after his argument so he doesn't forget
Duffer1: his earlier talk about quantum economics gave me hope of interesting discussion, i was dissapointed
minersdidit: gmaxwell let you out of the basement today?
[\]: minersdidit, gmaxwell has nothing to do with me
[\]: gladd to see you still have a mancrush
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04918049 = 2.459 BTC [-] {4}
[\]: I do what I want, when I want. gmaxwell and I have no affiliation.
minersdidit: whose taking bets on when the bitcoin core has another security fuckup
[\]: TestingUnoDosTre, its easy to be a bear when there's a downtrend.
[\]: They all disappear during the bull markets.
MisterE: The troll is strong here today, must be the exchange price has brought it out
Duffer1: testing i was thinking it was one of the talk twitter heads mircea_popescu pissed off..
[\]: TestingUnoDosTre, MisterE, the trolls usually come out about now.
[\]: if you've been around for a few years, you notice the pattern.
minersdidit: hopefully this bear market leads to most of the devoplment team leaving. gavin going is a positive step
MisterE: this is my first dip with the #-assets crew :)
Duffer1: i actually hope the same thing miners
[\]: Gavin hasn't left. He's just not the lead dev.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04811428 = 1.684 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: by my count we're solidly in the middle of september, akstunt600
MisterE: wish it happened more often heh
minersdidit: this bear market wont end until most of the core developmeant team is gone and btc foundation closed
MisterE: oh newfag season must be even teh worst
[\]: the ignore list grows by one
benkay: core dev team and btc fundation are pretty tightly aligned
minersdidit: satoshi left because he realized the fucktards in the project and didnt want anything to do with them
MisterE: yea minersdidit is clearly not dumb
[\]: minersdidit, quotation needed.
[\]: where did satoshi ever call Gavin a fucktard?
[\]: In fact, satoshi was the one that gave Gavin rights.
minersdidit: gavin has been a disaster ever since fork, constant patches and fucked up releases
[\]: You've got your info wrong, in traditional troll fashion.
MisterE: minersdidit: why don't you code someting better
Duffer1: do you have any bitcoins minersdidit?
TestingUnoDosTre: has anyone been keeping tabs on any satoshi addesses, is s/he to blame for this downtrend?!?!?!
[\]: .9 was barely exploitable.
MisterE: not so to create solutions
[\]: and 2/3 of the internet was hit by it.
minersdidit: why was it in the software in the first place
[\]: so to make a fuss becaues bitcoin was caught is rather stupid
[\]: because RPC over SSL isn't a bad thing.
ozbot: The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d
Duffer1: do you have any bitcoins minersdidit?
danielpbarron: minersdidit: because a bunch of the devs are sucking up to FIAT and are trying to make Bitcoin jive well with the old system
[\]: Its easy to pull out quotes that are right when you make thousands of them. how about you point out all the quotes that were wrong?
minersdidit: whenever i saw bitcoin foundation mugs i knew i was doing the right thing
[\]: shittons of false claims
[\]: keep making claims until one comes true
[\]: woah, did I outtroll the troll?
TestingUnoDosTre: speaking of jesus... who's celebrating his resurrection this year with a fatty?
minersdidit: the fact is the developmeant team are tards and amateurs
[\]: since he had to go back to his gmaxwell boner
mircea_popescu: [\\\] dude you come on like once a year and then to argue with my ignore list. wtf is this.
[\]: mircea_popescu, isn't it past your bedtime?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.048 = 0.48 BTC [-]
[\]: probably some butthurt litecoin miner
benkay: tib, don't you have skirt to chase?
MisterE: Ukrainian cam girls on the BTC bleeding edge TestingUnoDosTre? I missed the golden age :/
TestingUnoDosTre: <mircea_popescu> ok maybe it didn't happen. just remembered someone posting an old scam of some person scamming for some allaged underage european chicks accepting bitcoin for videochat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.0447519 = 1.9691 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02818544 = 0.9865 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [+] {2}
akstunt600: TestingUnoDosTre, Oh good it wasnt just you
benkay: wait 'till minersdiditi through minersdiditxiv show up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0463675 = 0.2782 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.025 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2}
[\]: akstunt600: so much more fun than pricetalk, eh?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04547002 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4827 @ 0.00014999 = 0.724 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: "exchanger_006: is it a good time to buy now guys? its looking like a huge pump?" // exchanger_006, Just burn your money you will at least get some BTUs out of it that way.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 805 @ 0.00079999 = 0.644 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.025 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 179 @ 0.00084998 = 0.1521 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04500003 = 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.025 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 325 @ 0.0075 = 2.4375 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: I want to buy more bitcoin, but I was a tid bit too impatient over the last couple weeks. Thoughts, words, advice?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i don't see a need to hate on eulora
minersdidit: well yea it was just a scam to take btc off people like all of mirceas listings
TestingUnoDosTre: can't believe I never have watched Huobi on bitcoinwisdom... this is like btcCrack
MisterE: 750k LTC in 30 min yea right!
minersdidit: charlie lee is touted as some type of inventor becuase he copy and pasted bitcoins source code lol
akstunt600: ohhh minersdidit i think your touching on one of my theories
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.00096132 = 8.8009 BTC [+] {2}
akstunt600: I think okcoin and huobi are in on it with CB
akstunt600: minersdidit, thats wha im saying they are gibling up cheap coins
minersdidit: the real exchanges on bitcoin have no volume
minersdidit: bitstamp is another sham as well youll never get large $$ out of it
akstunt600: but again thats not even an exchange really
minersdidit: bitstamp is another mtgox in the making with those 2 scumbags running it imo
minersdidit: dude otc is for people with 20 dollar trades
minersdidit: the fact that its 2014 and theres not a single reliable btc exchange that is safe
minersdidit: what about the transmission payments to the poor african farmer
MisterE: Vodaphone processes most of those now
MisterE: moves most of the money via mobile phone for rural South Africans I was reading recently
MisterE: not the country but the continent
akstunt600: they trade phone card and minutes before bitcoin tho
MisterE: but people are looking at challenging them in that market using the BTC network for processing
MisterE: as usual the fees are regressive for the poor who need it the most
HeySteve: Bitcoin is difficult to introduce to people with poor computing skills
minersdidit: um its not that easy to get money to a jungle in the middle of nowhere
minersdidit: bitcoin requires first world infrastructure
MisterE: sure it is if people beleve the text messages
mircea_popescu: arguable if the very poor need it more than the not-as-very-poor anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0009623 = 15.06 BTC [+]
HeySteve: cellular infrastructure in africa is surprisingly good
minersdidit: why would someone very poor want bitcoin? pretty sure digits on a computer are the least of their concerns
benkay: bitcoin for remittances is a decade early if you're talking about sending btc to farmers.
minersdidit: bitcoin cant work for remittances becuase you will always have slippage
benkay: bitcoin for remittances might just work if you have good connections and keep your books totally dialed.
benkay: capitalize both offices with local fiat and local btc, keep track of how much it costs to replenish both coffers, adjust rate accordingly.
minersdidit: dude bitcoin is a product for the first world not some shithole
benkay: none of this real time exchange nonsense.
minersdidit: you seriously think some tribesman will have a 10TB hardrive to download the blockchain in a decade
MisterE: you don't need it you just keep their wallets secure for them the way Vodaphone manages their fiat balances
HeySteve: minersdidit, I realise you are just one of those people but in the interests of advancing the debate, light wallets do exist
minersdidit: and it brings up the question why would someone even want bitcoin lol
minersdidit: they dont have ID's to upload for KYC/AML to ever exchange it into the banking system
steven-__: why would someone in afrcia want m pesa
benkay: over btc? no need to have a crazy blow stamp wallet.
minersdidit: btc requires like what 12gb of ram to run?
akstunt600: minersdidit, I dont think you understand currency in Africa
ozbot: M-Pesa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
kanzure: nobody is transferring $1M using phone minutes
benkay: nobody outside of the insular btc bubble wants btc
kanzure: nobody outside the insular economics bubble wants money
HeySteve: yes, we trade AK47 bullets for elephant ivory, that's how things work here
MisterE: but they all want the processing network
benkay: there are great remittance plays to be made using btc to move money for people, but it involves taking fiat on one side and paying fiat out on the other
minersdidit: mpesa has a low fee rate compared to bitcoin
minersdidit: bitcoin fees are sky high once you factor in bid/ask spread
benkay: you can trivially move money across the globe with bitcoin
akstunt600: beter than the dead curencies they had
HeySteve: just the other day I rode my elephant to the closest city with electricity so I could swap gold for bitcoin
minersdidit: the funny part about bitcoin is even when you get it to connect to the "financial system"
minersdidit: you can never cash it out becuase youll be scammed
HeySteve: still, Bitcoin does need a push in emerging markets
minersdidit: seriously if i was in africa why would i submit my documents to 2 white idiots from a shithole in europe?
akstunt600: we are in some sort of damn user stagnation
minersdidit: becuase its too costly to use when you factor in the miner subsidy and bid/ask spreads
MisterE: last few months has been a few things
minersdidit: you buy a bitcoin by the time you get to spend it its lost 5% of its value
HeySteve: I am developing a currency with one of the goals being emerging market adoption
minersdidit: emerging market is a politically correct term for shithole
MisterE: HeySteve: I was just thinking about one to address carbon emissions
minersdidit: honestly some markets have been emerging for the last 3 centuries
akstunt600: yeah and America is declinging and bowed toBrazil before IMF fucked them too
minersdidit: they think "emerging" markets are late to the game or something lol
HeySteve: ok MisterE, how are you thinking of doing that?
minersdidit: well would you consider detroit an emerging market?
MisterE: don't know, just an idea I had this morning and keeps nagging at me
minersdidit: even if you gave a african farmer bitcoins they would instantly lose them to guys like eric voorhees
akstunt600: actually some of what is happening there is amazing
gribble: 1 XAU = 1301.200000000000 USD = 3.41540238333 BTC
minersdidit: im still confused how bitcoin is suppose to help poor people
minersdidit: dude you dont look at indirect fees which are huge
akstunt600: i have never loooked at smsm and email for coins
MisterE: when you buy a dollar there is a spread
HeySteve: what if poor people could make profit mining crypto on their smartphones?
minersdidit: they are part of the transaction cost akstunt600
akstunt600: and btc is not yet a viable currency for any "poor" people
MisterE: HeySteve: corps would have to shit that shit down ASAP
minersdidit: why would you overheat a smartphone mining bitcoin dust
HeySteve: MisterE, I don't think so. they could get PR being a part of it
HeySteve: minersdidit, I said crypto not bitcoin
HeySteve: of course smartphones have no chance against asics
akstunt600: wow minersdidit that is a gorss misunderstanding
minersdidit: why not go and add some real value you know like build yourself a home ?
minersdidit: do you realize mining crypto does nothing.
minersdidit: it does not speed up transfers or add new value
HeySteve: arguing with people over the interweb also does nothing and adds no new value, yet here we are
minersdidit: akstunt600 hashrate is useless past a certain point
minersdidit: misterE mining crypto does nothing but dilute existing stock and deplete liquidity pools = high volatility like we have now.
HeySteve: if I earned money for interweb arguments though, I'd do it a lot more
minersdidit: the best thing that could happen now is if the block reward somehow failed
random_cat: somehow, minersdidit, that seems inferior to a blowjob
MGK: anyone want to play madden on xbox one for bitcoin?
akstunt600: mniers are the mechanism for distributins
minersdidit: its a horrible distribution method hence the insane volattilty we ahve
random_cat: what is a better distribution method, minersdidit?
minersdidit: im a farmer in africa yep first thing to help my life is to download bitcoin core and sync the blockchain up
minersdidit: bitcoin mining does not conjure up capital lol
TestingUnoDosTre: how is it that it takes thousands of bitcoins sold to drop to 340, yet hundreds bought bring it back to 400?
keonne: good morning #bitcoin-assets
akstunt600: you seem to forget that this wasnt supposed to grow this fast in the way it did
minersdidit: testingundostre dude you dont even know how markets function and you are commenting?
TestingUnoDosTre: <minersdidit> for some reason my shitty freenode client wouldn't allow me to ignore you, so I will infrequently acknowledge your existence
minersdidit: testingunodostre: dude im the most honest guy in here.
minersdidit: you are new and probably sitting on losses
akstunt600: minersdidit, is good troll who makes u think
minersdidit: every market has 2 prices not one a bid and an ask.
TestingUnoDosTre: minersdidit makes me think I'm back in the days of AIM where someone has invented a bot to chat with you
minersdidit: the "price" you keep looking at is irrelevant because it merely reflects the last sale that occured its already history
TestingUnoDosTre: quit trying to pull this Morpheus bullshit on me, I'm not retarded
minersdidit: this bear market has taken down alot of bitcoiners
dub: who the fuck unleashed -otc upon us
MisterE: $40 swing in a could hours, almost like old days
TestingUnoDosTre: your lame attempts to make me riled up are like lullabyes sending me to sleep
HeySteve: wow such sassy very internet points
HeySteve: minersdidit, presenting the bear case is one thing but being a pest is another
MisterE: thanks for entertainment while I wait for the water filter service tech
minersdidit: dude bitcoin is a sophisticated wealth transfer mechanism with a clever story
MisterE: minersdidit: get a new script
minersdidit: couple guys get rich everyone else remains poor
MisterE: you've added nothing new to the debate for like an hour now
minersdidit: 1 bitcoin transaction costs $21 in miner subisdies today
HeySteve: with any new technology, first-movers prosper. bitcoin doesn't have to make everyone in the world wealthy to succeed
ozbot: Bitcoin Cost Per Transaction
minersdidit: this is why users are not coming in droves
HeySteve: to succeed, it just has to be better than the competition
minersdidit: you quickly realize youve got a highly inefficient network at play
minersdidit: paying millions per day for a few thousand users
dub: -assets gives zero fucks about btc/usd, please find some way to die all of you
HeySteve: how is bitcoin worse than inflationary fiat currency which can be easily seized by bankrupt govts?
minersdidit: bitcoin has experienced 100% inflation since january 1st
MisterE: many times over it's just reported funny so people can't see
minersdidit: everything that cost 1btc jan1st cost 2btc now
MisterE: why you think Fed no publish M3 anymore?
MisterE: not at that rate though ofc
minersdidit: you dont even know how the fiat system functions
MisterE: but pretty damn fast and relentlessly the printing presses are running
minersdidit: extending credit and printing are 2 different things
HeySteve: it all depends on your timeframe, the general trend of bitcoin is appreciating currency however
minersdidit: zimbambwe was fiat money the dollar is credit money
MisterE: it has failed, just recently, have you a short memory>
MisterE: and many times before that similar systems all fail
minersdidit: the dollar can only fail if the bond market fails
HeySteve: minersdidit, let's see what happens to USD if Russia and China continue to conduct trade in their own currencies
MisterE: every currency in history has failed and USD will fail one day too
minersdidit: russia and china combined are not even 50% of US gdp dude
minersdidit: misterE thats true but that one day can be 100 years from now when we are dead.
minersdidit: the chinese RMB will fail before the dollar does
minersdidit: and russian rubble has failed like 20 times in the last 50 years alone lol
MisterE: reason Russia came out of collapse easy was everything was already state owned
HeySteve: right, now there is an alternative to failure-prone fiat currencies. you are proving my point
MisterE: they were mych better prepared
HeySteve: lol tell that to Russia and China
minersdidit: its impossible for teh derivative to succeed when the underlying asset fails
minersdidit: heysteve you are confused pal. the chinese yuan is defacto linked to the US dollar and the US bond market
minersdidit: its backed by the portfolio of US treasuries china holds
MisterE: an asset is what people believe it is a single opinion is worth maybe a paper IOU
minersdidit: hence why the US dollar as bad as it is will be the last to fail not the first. the derivatives based on the dollar will fail first
minersdidit: long before the dollar collapses the chinese currency and government will implode
HeySteve: ok so you've mentioned a good reason for all chinese and russians to acquire bitcoin
minersdidit: if a chinese acquires bitcoin with RMB someone else now has the rmb
HeySteve: it does if the currency fails, as you say
minersdidit: unfortunately in 2014 the only option is USD in paper format and dollars
minersdidit: maybe if bitcoin becomes 1000x bigger in the future
minersdidit: us dollars in paper format and gold are your only safe havens in 2014
minersdidit: bitcoin is ultra high beta. it collapses when risk appetites change
minersdidit: hence why we are at the same level as november and so is the nasdaq
minersdidit: with a gold coin you can go anywhere in the world and someone will trade you X for it
minersdidit: with bitcoin good luck outside of hipster cafes in major cities lol
minersdidit: look the russian ruble is down this year i think what 20%? did holding bitcoin help a russian? hed be down 35%
minersdidit: when size comes into bitcoin markets the bid ask spreads widen like crazy
MisterE: all emerging technologies are
minersdidit: dude you arent buying a piece of a technology
MisterE: thats why there is opportunity and scams
minersdidit: how many times are you going to repeat that lol
MisterE: guys like you are not cut out for it quite frankly minersdidit
minersdidit: bitcoin is ultra high beta its related to fiat flows
minersdidit: when fiat flows contract bitcoin goes down 90%~
minersdidit: dude im in btc when you tards werent even in here lol
minersdidit: in 2014 the absolute "safest" havens are US dollars paper format, gold coin format, US treasury bills, US 2 year notes, German 2 year notes
MisterE: I think we're witnessing a pharmacological disaster
MisterE: yep and that's where the big boys play
minersdidit: i think if bitcoin ever has like 50bil of bid books
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00096283 = 10.4101 BTC [+] {2}
minersdidit: problem with bitcoin is the users are at the behest of miners
akstunt600: minersdidit, thats the fcuking pooint bro
MisterE: I dont recall anyone here saying "safe haven" but you?
benkay: only useful in places like ars with actually malignant currency regimes.
minersdidit: satoshi had zero clue about money or economics lol
benkay: the war hasn't even started.
benkay: victory or loss, way too early.
minersdidit: dude pull up bitcoin liquidity books ie the order books
benkay: no, real blood minersdidit
benkay: predictable contradiction
akstunt600: sucks but that is where our centralized banking system has lead us
minersdidit: bitcoin requires extensive infrastructure in place to work
minersdidit: high bandwith, electricity you know civilized society
akstunt600: and USD is on tops of the same pyramid scheme
minersdidit: its dependant on shitloads of things functioning.
akstunt600: think of btc as gateway to something else
minersdidit: a bunch of tard developers to "patch" shit
MisterE: that something else is a digital monetary future
akstunt600: minersdidit, its not much and its a work in progress
MisterE: 100% guarantee you its coming and I'm gonna be there with front row seats
akstunt600: so yes pateches come with the territory
minersdidit: akstunt600 yea theyve been saying that year after year, the protocol is just as bad as it was in 09
akstunt600: well then how do we olve the money problem
MisterE: he things we should be in USD fiat and AU
TestingUnoDosTre: computers requjire extensive infrastructure in place to work. The internet required high bandwidth, electricity- you know civilized society
minersdidit: youve got a bunch of failures from the last dotcom boom running around pretending to be leaders
akstunt600: minersdidit, who one whole guy andreas?
minersdidit: the dollar collapsing is the worse thing that could occur to bitcoin
minersdidit: not sure why people are happy about it happening lol
akstunt600: Mineits gonna be a soft collapse blood will be spilled as usd tanks
minersdidit: keep feeding your paychecks into the pockets of miners duh.
MGK: miner sounds butthurt
minersdidit: akstunt600: the USD will be the last fiat to collapse
danielpbarron: minersdidit: so adjusting for sarcasm, we should stop buying Bitcoin?
akstunt600: its a top a pyramid of world currencies
minersdidit: we can have a relief rally now after 4months of bear market
danielpbarron: minersdidit: well you make a lot of good points. what should I do?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00095856 = 10.4483 BTC [-] {3}
akstunt600: minersdidit, the fucking money problem
minersdidit: well first off if you are poor as i suspect everyone in here is, yea you might as well try to buy bitcoin lottery tickets lol
TestingUnoDosTre: so poor right now... let me pick up my topless girlfriend from mcdonalds
minersdidit: once youve already obtained wealth then you can worry about keeping it lol
minersdidit: bitcoin has no more 100 bagger in it it though
akstunt600: USA is the next version of the roman empire
akstunt600: except this time it brings everyone down with it
minersdidit: the roman empire took hundreds of years to unravel
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minersdidit: yes but you are talking about trends that can take lifetimes
danielpbarron: minersdidit: I thought you had advice to give since you are so earnest in your attempt to convince us; I mean this in all sincerity
minersdidit: dude quality of life is higher then 60 years ago in first world countries
TestingUnoDosTre: <minersdidit> - bitcoin won't go to 40K soon?!? but I bought because all the bitcointalk threads todl me so
minersdidit: bitcoin 40k is impossible for a reason ill quickly outline to the poor in here
minersdidit: if you notice everytime bitcoin rallys, altcoins tend to rally faster, as they are essentially substitutes to access bitcoin liquidity
minersdidit: so even if we achieved a 500bil market cap
minersdidit: bitcoin would only be maybe 25-40% of that
minersdidit: the rest would be all these substitutes that are exchangable for it
minersdidit: now do the math 40% of 500bil devided by 21mil
akstunt600: no i have DOge has done it a few times
minersdidit: altcoins have already drained up to 10% of bitcoins market cap
akstunt600: and im guessing the other too at points
minersdidit: becuase this is the flaw with quantity theory of money i outlined earlier
minersdidit: as bitcoin demand increases no mechanisms exist to increase supply to market so altcoins start doing their thing
akstunt600: well again minersdidit what is your solution?
minersdidit: becuase its so easy to trade between BTC and ALT
akstunt600: what is your solution to the money problem minersdidit
MGK: miner would you like me to send you some bitcoin so you can be cool too?
minersdidit: testing um 15months ago ltc wasnt even on the radar
minersdidit: altcoins drain btc market cap during demand surges
akstunt600: i mine doge and many other do to so it can be its own thing it has exits to fiat
akstunt600: what is your solution to the money problem minersdidit
minersdidit: remember where ltc was during btc 1k like 0.05 or whatever
MisterE: minersdidit: and I already replied that BTC is infinitely divisible so that wipes out your argument on no supply
akstunt600: do you have anything better than btc or alts?
minersdidit: misterE that doesnt mean anything you cant devided market cap lol
MisterE: not the world as we know it
minersdidit: that puts an absolute cieling on bitcoins price
MisterE: the world is gonna have to change
minersdidit: the rally to get rich quick has already occured 2009-2013
minersdidit: a 10 bagger off these levels would be lucky
TestingUnoDosTre: I think you mistook me for serious when I was asking about bitcoin to 40k
akstunt600: minersdidit, and we got a lot from that minaly infrastructure
minersdidit: you got alot from the wealth transfer scheme aspect of it.
minersdidit: if 80% of coins are held by less then 100 individuals if they hold those off the market the remaining 20% set the price
MisterE: funny when asked for advice you have nothing to offer but "buy btc lottery tickets"
minersdidit: misterE well i asked if you were poor you said yes
MisterE: enjoy your USD lottery tickets, more likely to hit but value is shit
akstunt600: minersdidit, is the same guy i have been talking to for 3 days
akstunt600: you speak with them same style and argue the same points
MisterE: [11:57:47] minersdidit: well first off if you are poor as i suspect everyone in here is, yea you might as well try to buy bitcoin lottery tickets lol
danielpbarron: I once donated $35 to the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign in exchange for 5 BTC
akstunt600: this is classic text books shit from that NSA slide on gaining poer in IRC
benkay: <minersdidit> it wont work in a society collapse << of course, just in small isolated islands of civilization dotted round the landscape of destruction
punkman1: "This patch is setting OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEAT, but openssl actually only disables heartbeats when you set OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS (note trailing S)."
minersdidit: akstunt i dont need to tell you things you can see with your own eyes ie btc down 50% YTD. its a high beta asset
minersdidit: remember the shills told everyone volatility would decrease
benkay: <akstunt600> get rich on what a failing currency << bitcoin isn't going to make anyone playing with it rich. only application and hard work will accomplish that.
minersdidit: bitcoin shills also told everyone mass adoption would occur
MisterE: My email: "The Department of State has issued this Worldwide Caution to update information on the continuing threat of terrorist actions and violence against U.S. citizens and interests throughout the world. U.S. citizens are reminded to maintain a high level of vigilance and to take appropriate steps to increase their security awareness. This replaces the Worldwide Caution dated September 25, 2013, to provide updated information on
MisterE: security threats and terrorist activities worldwide."
MisterE: come back next year minersdidit
minersdidit: misterE lol why so its the same lvel as this year if not lower?
MisterE: April seems good for crashy so...
akstunt600: it msakes sense to me btc would be inthe dirt before major adoption
akstunt600: it helps to allow the poor college kids to buy in
minersdidit: dude who do you expect to adopt bitcoin though?
minersdidit: crypto locker was the biggest influence on bitcoin's price move
minersdidit: becuase they just want the price to go up 10x without them doing any work
akstunt600: minersdidit, nah many LOVE the core principal it represents
akstunt600: they are still too dumb to really jump on yet
akstunt600: minersdidit, unless the price drops further
minersdidit: like you dont download skills from the blockchain lol
akstunt600: your not even making valid arguemnts anymore
minersdidit: listen bitcoin isnt changing shit other then making a couple guys very rich. the same problems that existed before will exist in bitcoin but even worse.
minersdidit: people who have lost with crypto related schemes far outnumber anyone whose benefited
minersdidit: and theres no sign of the scams going away
minersdidit: largest benefactors are guys like roger ver
benkay: <minersdidit> crypto locker was the biggest influence on bitcoin's price move << i've said this too, but i'm an idiot
minersdidit: miners carrying their victims for a couple rounds before they unleash more selling
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benkay: a wage slave's fruitless fantasies
akstunt600: shouldnt have traded on amagic the gathering site bro
minersdidit: people on here are expecting hyperinflation of the USD
minersdidit: well sorry to tell you but its going to be hyperdeflation
akstunt600: but artificail inflation rates mask it
akstunt600: minersdidit, becaue we knock down and drug em out
minersdidit: all commodities are 30-60% below their respect highs from years ago
akstunt600: its like your btc wet dream over there
minersdidit: akstunt600: inflation is currently occuring in student loans etc
benkay: that's a credit thing too
minersdidit: look at commodity prices they are 30-60% below
benkay: who cares about commodities i want to short my own generation
minersdidit: benkay um yea. in credit money counterfeit credit expansion = inflation
minersdidit: you cant have inflation in the current system without expansion of loans
benkay: i'm sure you count arbitrarily large deposits to private sector lenders loans.
minersdidit: akstunt600: the "inflation" you are talking about is in stuff for ultra rich, student loans shit like that
minersdidit: benkay: all money in existence is from loans. think about that. you need creditor and debtor participating for inflation
minersdidit: akstunt600: yea stock market got pumped up
minersdidit: so shit they buy also got pumped up ie high end jewellery, cars, ultra luxury homes
minersdidit: student loans are still getting pumped up so anyone in that is seeing it
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu thank you for the later tell re localbitcoins. hope you are well :)
punkman: akstunt600: fix it with /ignore
moiety: hihi benkay how are you?
punkman: I'm just seeing your monologue now
akstunt600: minersdidit, exactly btc and alt to the rescue
benkay: we're experiencing a once-yearly event moiety
akstunt600: and the rode to recovery is already starting to form
akstunt600: well im glad the pressure cooker dies out and this fall happened
benkay: this feller minersdidit is a fantastic character who comes around every now and again
akstunt600: i have about 25k into btc and alts andd miners
minersdidit: benkay um i come in here once every 6months to laugh at mircea
punkman: there's this cunt of a website I'm trying to borrow data from, I ask for derp.com/titsville it goes HA I KNOW YOU WANTED DERP.COM/FAT-HERPBURG INSTEAD. Cosmic rays? Someone fucking with me?
benkay: you totally fuck with channel orthodoxy. it's great.
moiety: why would you bother going to somone's own channel to do that minersdidit, you must have a gap in your own personal life at present?
minersdidit: moeity go back to the shithole your just crawled out of
moiety: should i later tell moeity? i don't think she is here right now
moiety: well, i wouldn't give up your day job for comedy, that's for sure
benkay: no that was a few weeks ago
benkay: just became a little too obvious
benkay: rolling a known turd into bitcoin
minersdidit: becuase its tards from the dotcom bust dude
minersdidit: all these guys were in shitbag IT companies that failed
benkay: outta my face this is old news
minersdidit: they went unemployed for a decade until bitcoin pops on the scene
benkay: rank incompetence is the baseline in the space; so what?
benkay: incompetence, greed, malice.
benkay: that's all there is in bitcoin.
fluffypony: you just hit the proverbial nail on the head
bloctoc: I heard today that that Malaysian plane probably landed in Diego Garcia because it had secret stolen drone control center technology on board.
fluffypony: half of them are guys that were in the "Internet marketing" space
minersdidit: its burn outs and shit like andreas antonopolous
benkay: that's asciilifeform's suggestion, fluffypony...
fluffypony: I mean don't get me wrong, I looked at the Internet marketing stuff ages ago because I wanted to know wtf was the deal
minersdidit: bitcoin foundation and co probably set crypto back 5 years minimum
minersdidit: it was easier to get bitcoin 2 years ago then 2014
benkay: but its great it gives me some breathing room to get something rolling
benkay: make friends with the big boys etc
fluffypony: but if you have 2 brain cells you realise it's a bunch of circlejerky morons that sell "ebooks" and "systems" on how to profit to each other
minersdidit: because these tards all went and attracted HEAPS of attention onto themselves
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benkay: yeah, well, hopefully it languishes in the shitter for another decade
minersdidit: benkay big boys? you mean pornographer mircea popescu
akstunt600: minersdidit, yourt totally right about btc foundation
benkay: mp wouldn't stoop to my level, are you kidding?
fluffypony: had this argument with that lady who's "bringing Bitcoin to Botswana"
benkay: all of these people lack the imagination to use bitcoin for any purpose
benkay: the only thing they can encompass is educating others about something
benkay: "what do we do with it?"
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minersdidit: south africa would have been paradise on earth if the blacks didnt invade
fluffypony: minersdidit: well to be fair we did invade their land first :-P
minersdidit: there was nobody in south africa during those times
minersdidit: they came from different parts after the place was prospering
minersdidit: boers and shit built that place from scratch
akstunt600: i like the one when they are in wheel chairs
fluffypony: akstunt600: seriously, a lot of Saffers hate them
minersdidit: blacks had it better when the whites ran the place
minersdidit: highest paid black earners were in south africa
minersdidit: blacks are poorer today in south africa then ever
MisterE: minersdidit: I think you need to assess your objective here
MisterE: what do you want to achieve today?
MisterE: lol typical troll behavior to take the victim's role
MisterE: we've now come full circle
minersdidit: couple guys in here are misinformed and poor but alright
bloctoc: I feel like my favorite television show got cancelled to show a presidential debate
MisterE: minersdidit: he called you a presidential candidate that is a fucking low blow man
benkay: my fate to labor under the fog of illusion and never save a dime
minersdidit: bitcoin wont be able to get off the ground until the entire dev team is gone
benkay: look at the conformal stuff, man
MisterE: benkay: good hampster runs the wheel long time
minersdidit: until then it will be just another pump and dump
benkay: it's not dev team, it's hairball
minersdidit: you need them because people naturally form heirarchies
minersdidit: only tards think everything is "decentralized"
akstunt600: srsly did nothing for us but robbed us blind, how could i have been so foolish
minersdidit: the current dev team set bitcoin back a decade at least
fluffypony: we should just go back to the original client
minersdidit: dude they havent done any development is the problem
MisterE: what features have you requested?
MisterE: what patched have you submitted?
minersdidit: how many more errors will we be exposed too
benkay: multi sig's a thing, give it a rest
benkay: it's also totally irrelevant
minersdidit: 5 years in and all theyve done is renamed themselves
MisterE: what needs to be done answer the fuckign wquestion!
minersdidit: MisterE you know every shill says the same thing. everytime a critic brings up anything about BTC they say oh what have you done
benkay: but hey shut up and read the conformal btcd source, minersdidit
MisterE: what do you see that needs to be done?
benkay: it's so well documented even you could get through it
MisterE: you're just complaining and trolling
minersdidit: resignation and closure of bitcoin foundation and ALL devs
moiety: crying shill =/= answers
MisterE: this dude is like a US republican
MisterE: got no ideas of his own only knows for sure that *all* of yours suck
benkay: i need more truth bombs, and better ones, minersdidit
minersdidit: MisterE bitcoins problems arent technical they are people problems
minersdidit: when you look at the bitcoin foundation you want to puke
benkay: what else to do but hang out with the pornographers!
minersdidit: bitcoin attracted the worst scum of the cesspool known as the internet
bloctoc: minersdidit algorithms don't have people problems, ever
MisterE: in the grand history of the digital crypto currency era BTC foundation will not even be a fart in the wind
akstunt600: damn where do you even find trolls this good
MisterE: just like Gox is already forgotten
minersdidit: 2 years ago you could buy bitinstant in any walmart
benkay: normally in the cesspool of the internet, akstunt600
minersdidit: today you need to wait 7 days from fucking coinbase lol
benkay: cash in hand to an atm.
benkay: well, basically an atm. walmart.
benkay: btc is no go in the usa.
benkay: and the government knows how much you bought
minersdidit: yea you have to submit ID even for 100 dollar purchases
benkay: oh this is their work?
MisterE: danielpbarron: BOA would not let coinbase use their verification if they weren't trustworthy
minersdidit: gavin derived his salary to feed his family even though he had tens of millions on BTC
benkay: oh god MisterE you have no idea
benkay: you and mp agree on a thing. go make out.
minersdidit: HeySteve why do you prefer south africa anyway
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moiety: not too bad Mats_cd03 another year older since i've been away. How's life treating you?
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fluffypony: I've been testing a lot of my devices on my local network for heartbleed
fluffypony: like my printers/security cameras etc.
fluffypony: steven-__: I mean it's not heartbleed vulnerable
akstunt600: nobody expects the spanish Inquisition
fluffypony: akstunt600: our weapons are supplies...our CHIEF weapons are supplies
akstunt600: he like will just like fall asleep in chat
akstunt600: or take kratom like once in a blue moon
fluffypony: I've never been a fan, I don't like stuff that mucks with my brain (in a negative way)
fluffypony: like the Provigil is nice to keep me productive and alert during the day
fluffypony: but some of the nootropics guys are insane
akstunt600: sometimes im extremely good on kratom sometimes
akstunt600: liek up all night working on pet projects
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akstunt600: marjuana has some neurogensis capabilities
fluffypony: yeah I don't dig the downsides of stuff like that
fluffypony: some of the stuff could work well for you
akstunt600: fluffypony, depnding on the type of MJ i hate it you know
fluffypony: when I was discussing Provigil with my doctor he actually suggested Ritalin
fluffypony: but I think that would have had the wrong affect on me
fluffypony: when I was 20 I taught origami and piano to kids with heavy bipolar/add/adhd/schizophrenia
fluffypony: was actually an amazing experience overall, but frustrating (the paranoid schizophrenic kids)
MisterE: fuck have we returned to regular scheduled programming?
moiety: patience + time = a lot of win in those situations fluffypony
akstunt600: i have developed quite the patience working with computers
fluffypony: had a kid that spent an entire lesson insisting he was god and was going to make it rain
MisterE: send all your extra adderal and rittlan to me!
fluffypony: and then at the end saying "well I didn't want to do it anyway"
akstunt600: MisterE, I dont use it or condone adderal
moiety: the most fristrating is learning disabilites + mental health disorders and communication is even unclearer
MisterE: oh and some molly sometimes
fluffypony: well learning patience was good training for dealing with my wife;)
MisterE: I only tease moiety because he's a jock
MisterE: moiety: how do you pronounce your name?
MisterE: I had a jock friend named Ruridrah, guess how you pronounce that fucker?
moiety: however you like really, i come to most things
MisterE: this guy's name was "Ruru"
fluffypony: I have an Irish friend whose name is Ruari
MisterE: dunno how you could ever get something that sounds like Rury from Ruridrah\
moiety: sounds kinda more irish to me btw
MisterE: I wish I had climed Nevis when I was young and hard
MisterE: no this dude was straight up jock man
moiety: like Caoimhe is pronounced Keeva
moiety: there's plenty names like that dude
MisterE: keeva sounds like slang for a drug
moiety: its not english, its gaelic
fluffypony: wow moiety, that would not have been my first guess at pronounciation
MisterE: of all the Northern accents the one that kills me the most is Welsh
moiety: haha theres loads, Caoimhe is irish gaelic
MisterE: those dudes I dunno WTF they are saying
moiety: welsh is south to me :P
moiety: they have incredibly long townnames, the welsh. i find their accent pretty humourous
Mats_cd03: moiety: preparing for a move out to a boston suburb, gonna be out there for a few months before i go to s. korea
MisterE: brits have some Hello Kitty like town names eh?
MisterE: something you'd expect a village of hobbits to be named
Mats_cd03: giving away most of my shit and hiding the rest in friends garages :P
fluffypony: all this talk makes me want to do a tour of Ireland
MisterE: Mats_cd03: I love that feeling
MisterE: dumping off all the baggage
moiety: Mats_cd03: I'm learning korean! where are you off to?
moiety: MisterE: the town where i grew up mostly, is where peter pan originated so....
MisterE: Boston, where they paaark the caaar, at the paaarty
Mats_cd03: i'm on civ-mil orders so i find out when i arrive i believe
Mats_cd03: i went to a barber shop last time expecting a haircut
moiety: MisterE: korean is piss easy. the kind rewrote it in the 14th century because he wanted it to be easier to learn (less illiterates). Its based all around the shape your mouth and throat make to make the sounds of each syllable. also, man, earth etc
Mats_cd03: yeah learning the korean alphabet is easy
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Mats_cd03: its popularly known as something you can learn in a day - reading and writing, anyway
MisterE: but I will always be waygookin
Mats_cd03: speaking and comprehension is another story... korean is a stupid language
moiety: yep... its remembering where everything is on the keyboard i have trouble with XD
MisterE: Mats_cd03: what they call you?
Mats_cd03: koreans are lucky to be industrialized enough to be douchebags in asia
moiety: there are also very little dialect type variations in korea. its pretty homogenous. In japanese, you have four levels of politeness. oldest gen cant reall understand the youngest gen. as with thailand, place to place. people from bangkok can't always understand the rural people
Mats_cd03: the us lifted them out of sheer poverty and created a democratic society for them
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MisterE: if it weren't for ther war they would be another third rate shithole like Laos
Mats_cd03: koreans didnt have class structures, wealth, or religious beliefs
Mats_cd03: they were in a unique period of time and benefited from american protectionism... now they're the favorite child of asia
MisterE: and what up with the Japanese hate
MisterE: they are so similar yet so much hate
moiety: yes they did. they are very structured
Mats_cd03: my understanding is the entire society didnt have classes
moiety: they are also pretty religious. though have shifted from mainly buddhist to mainly christian thesedays
MisterE: yea into the haves and will never haves
Mats_cd03: in the way we use the word today to refer to socialism, etc...
moiety: i believe different re classes
Mats_cd03: yes they are now supremely christian thanks to murican missionaries
Mats_cd03: the jp hate is warranted, but im also ethnic han
MisterE: I mean I like that Jesus dude but Christians are assholes
Mats_cd03: to this day the .jp govt denies or downplays the events of ww2
moiety: but more so, its focus is on age. the older you are the higher up you are
moiety: like, your boss can beat you np
Mats_cd03: serious victimhood play acting going on and it pisses chinese nationals off
MisterE: oh that ww2 resentment will never die
Mats_cd03: e.g. denying nanjing happened, or pretending like 20k people died total
MisterE: thats not the first time jpas come barreling into china raping and pillaging
MisterE: happened a lot previous to ww2
Mats_cd03: and they were all just, you know, shot in the head, instead of having mothers heads cut off and then forcing siblings to fuck each other, etc
Mats_cd03: it was relatively rare if you are a student of chinese history
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moiety: ;; later tell nubbins` quick question, have you seen Taegukgi?
Mats_cd03: happened... just once before, because the brits gave .jp firearms
Mats_cd03: otherwise china has been the big brother in the relationship for most of its existence
MisterE: no going back centuries japanese were raiding manchuria iirc
moiety: ;; later tell nubbins` or May 18 for that matter?
Mats_cd03: jp culture derives heavily from chinese customs, for one
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Mats_cd03: moiety: yeah lol. the violence is absurd
Mats_cd03: a peer of mine did a stint in the korean forces
Mats_cd03: he claimed 2000 conscripts a year ended up dead
Mats_cd03: due to abuse by superiors and the like
Mats_cd03: koreans are incredibly belligerent
moiety: BingoBoingo: do we get a badge for this club? ;P how are you?
Mats_cd03: and the way the hierarchy is setup, superiors are essentially allowed to abuse subordinates
MisterE: Mats_cd03: I've had a lot of problems with drunk Korean men pickign fights with me
Mats_cd03: e.g. physical beatings as corrective action
BingoBoingo: I'm good, moiety Maybe set a bounty for one of your doders to make one?
Mats_cd03: the belligerence is literally part of their culture
moiety: BingoBoingo: i could always stamp some.....
Mats_cd03: anyway, to reiterate, the border conflicts was one thing (re: manchuria)
Mats_cd03: japan has rarely been in a position to threaten china proper
MisterE: I started carrying a shillelagh of sorts in Iatewan
Mats_cd03: china has dealt with border issues since time immemorial
MisterE: Being US in Korea is extra harsh
MisterE: thats why I wish US would back the fuck off
Mats_cd03: lol and nobody wants to live in russia
MisterE: Mats_cd03: is Memories of Murder 2003 any good?
moiety: BingoBoingo: i think i would get tired doing those
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moiety: BingoBoingo: i also cant get my domain just now. a roof is taking priority, you know?
MisterE: I'm Bangkok based usually Mats_cd03
moiety: considering throwing it on the mc domain though
moiety discovered cowsay - lots of time wasted
Mats_cd03: hows the weather this time of year
moiety: fluffypony: o.o very kind but why would you do that?
fluffypony: moiety: I have funds sitting in my NameCheap account, might as well use them
fluffypony: besides, I always start a project by buying the domain, lol
ozbot: xkcd: Heartbleed Explanation
moiety: oh this is a purely useless endeavour, i cant even call it a project XD i just like manuls
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fluffypony: moiety: pm me the details and I'll hook it up
moiety: lol @ xkcd, thanks fluffypony it's ok though, it's a .ae i had my eye on.
moiety: is fantasticfelinae too long do you think?
moiety: its really all thats left for .usuals
moiety: i have also adopted css into my life, gosh that saves a whole bunch of time
Mats_cd03: MisterE: if you like The Departed and .hk cinema, Infernal Affairs is worth watching; it is the movie that inspired Scorsese
moiety: Mats_cd03: nooo, don't fill his free time. I need manuls and lasers in that free time
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
Mats_cd03: ascii is a programmer as well as a purveyor of cats and lasers?
minersdidit: any votes on who should be the next developer to step down?
moiety: win felin.ae is still avail
moiety: holy shit when did gribble start doing that?!?!
fluffypony: nanotube merged his consciousness with gribble in January
BingoBoingo: minersdidit: DOes it really matter. They are kind of walled off in the ghetto anyways. Just give them plenty of bicycles to steal and they won't have time to fuck shit up anymore.
moiety: BingoBoingo: how have i missed this? are yous worried thats all i do?!
moiety: Mats_cd03: he has a laser all to himself! and he introduced me to manuls
moiety: does anything worry you BingoBoingo?
moiety: :D this is when chess needs to be played
moiety: i'll check the record for new things soon then!
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BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: WHen truffles is around he is usually into the blitx stuff
moiety: Mats_cd03: I can only play BingoBoingo for now, he's rather forgiving for my being a learner
moiety: they are playing really fast!
Mats_cd03: i cant believe some guy that got his start in degrassi
moiety: they all kinda blend into one person for me
cazalla: degrassi isn't degassi unless it's old school zit remedy degrassi
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moiety: my gosh you guys have already stolen lots of each others bits o.o
MisterE: If I could get all the bits back this channel has stolen I'd be rich!
moiety: BingoBoingo was going away and doing things while i made a move lol
moiety: whats the collective term for all the chess people bits? just, pieces?
moiety: just the people not the board too
moiety: aaaaaaand this is why you don't play me at chess
danielpbarron: chess set noun 1. a chessboard and a set of chessmen.
moiety: chessmen... poor queenie
moiety: she seems to be the only one i can do any damage with
moiety: things are better retained through action
moiety: except castling... that shit is never going in, i fear
fluffypony: when I was at 45s left I started panic moving
Mats_cd03: takes experience to know how to react to openings quickly
moiety: night Mats_cd03 :) sleep well
moiety: my mouse is having a stroke, need a restart o.o
minersdidit: M ats_cd03: the nigger jew you were asking about is drake
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Namworld: [04:07] <minersdidit> lmao @ mpex shares still trading
Namworld: You seem to be in the wrong channel.
Namworld: Kind of a large MPEx crowd in here.
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Duffer1: he's been trolling the chan all day
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mircea_popescu: all this twitter chatter about omg dropbox. i never used it, because i didn't fucking like the idea a decade ago. now everyone stops liking the idea. i guess we all end up in the same spot eventually.
MisterE: I dumped all cloud services except Mega last year
MisterE: sometimes when I was teaching I had to have my students download files
MisterE: few other use cases but I agree and hardly use it at all these days
fluffypony: sharing files with non-technical people
fluffypony: if it's with technical people I'd rather use git for versioning/sharing
pankkake: people don't like dropbox now? why?
MisterE: mircea_popescu just doesn't deal with any non-technical people I don;t think :)
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @pdacosta Ahaha this is the ...
MisterE: pankkake: well for one they just put that torture, WMD, lying bitch Codaleeza Rice on their board.
mircea_popescu: MisterE so what's the problem to i dunno, dumpingthem on a server with apache ?
pankkake: not that you should ever have liked it - any honest competitor should have a fully open source CLIENT and CLIENT-SIDE encryption
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's not that way, it's the other way around as well
fluffypony: I tried doing the FTP thing ages ago with someone
mircea_popescu: so if these are text files just dump a blog software or something on a webserver
pankkake: dropbox provides easy file versionning and synchronisation. personally, I use git, but it's not the same crowd
MisterE: editingmovies on the fly heh
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no normally Excel/Word documents, not plain text
mircea_popescu: i guess that's where we differ. i'd have forced all kids write .txt
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fluffypony: I tried teaching someone markdown the other day
MisterE: many of my Asian students would have needed detailed instructions to make .txt
mircea_popescu: this is how kids grow up to be 37 yo "senior counsel" that can't express itself in writing needs to talk on the phone.
ozbot: BBC News - Doctors implant lab-grown vagina
mircea_popescu: just think about it ... chicks that could be walking around with synthetic vaginas in their tits
MisterE: the education system in many countries turns out the most low quality product I could ever imagine
fluffypony: well the reason Excel is so pervasive is because it allows for simple (and sometimes invalid/incorrect) data analysis for even the most non-technical
MisterE: with multiple vags they probably won't have to worry about typing to make money heh
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, but try teaching matlab to someone
fluffypony: or try teaching them to use sql as an alternative
mircea_popescu: ok. i now appreciate the shit you folks have to deal it.
MisterE: yea it's insane how stuck on MS education is
mircea_popescu: i never would, personally, which is why i don't teach there.
MisterE: they absolutely know nothing else but Word Excel and FB
fluffypony: MisterE: yeah I never understood that, I always figured educators would want to use whatever was cheap and accessible, but MS has a foothold that isn't going away
MisterE: yea it's terrible I got out of teaching ASAP but good way to land in a country and get the lay of the land and make a few connections
cazalla: MS give it away for free to keep the foothold, don't they?
MisterE: I loved teaching the young kids but the uni level I just hated
mircea_popescu: cazalla not really anymore than pharma gives meds away
fluffypony: cazalla: they have an education edition of office, can't remember what it's called, but it's cheaper - not free
fluffypony: well I'm talking more from a business stand point than an education one
MisterE: I dunno why they, Asians at least, simply can't get it in their head that there are other options.
pankkake: MisterE: some people sent me one-page powerpoints with only one image in it
fluffypony: but what I've seen happen is that some IT guy gets the bright idea to cut down on licensing costs by going OO/LO
mircea_popescu: anyway, your solution re the file problem : get them to migrate to open office, have their shit exported as whatever mark-up, it can be uploaded and validated on webserver.
mircea_popescu: and you're doing more for a better world than any vegetarian/ecologist/occupywallstreet/other idjit.
fluffypony: until some manager gets sent an Excel file with something complicated/shit (VBA, PivotCharts, PivotTables)
fluffypony: and then everyone goes back to MS Office
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you've4 just explained the market incentive for ms windows to stay obscure and broken.
mircea_popescu: people usually harp about it, but this is why they do it.
MisterE: school gave a colleague a hard time for not teaching Office iirc. He was only talking about cross platform compatibility but got called in for a discussion because students had complained
mircea_popescu: a product, willy-nilly, ends up looking like its userbase.
MisterE: thats a terrible thing about the education system here teachers don't judge students because of the cultural / social hierarchy teachers are rated by students with rich parents
MisterE: mircea_popescu: yea I just read your PR post on your blog about customers :)
MisterE: well it could be if used right but, since only wealthy kids here can afford Western teachers it's lazy dumb rich kids who cry to daddy when you try to get them to do anything productive then daddy calls school and teacher has a problem
MisterE: that and the no fail policy are why I left as fast as I did
fluffypony: oh FFS, our maid just broke another iron
MisterE: oh FFS, first world problems :p
MisterE: actually it's not a meritocracy, rich here often are the most stupid
MisterE: they buy their degrees from schools who dont make them work and are guaranteed work from family
fluffypony: MisterE: I think that's sometimes/often a product of "I inherited money so making money was a matter of only making a few major mistakes"
MisterE: Thailand is where I taught
fluffypony: where a poor/middle-class person can virtually be wiped out by making a major mistake
MisterE: but most SE Asian eduction systems are similar
mircea_popescu: theoretically speaking at least they should have been massacred in teh marketplace.
MisterE: Burma is much better interestingly
MisterE: and all the boat people coming back to Vietnam with Western education things are booming there
MisterE: well thailand is responsible for 19997
MisterE: they constantly institute capitol controls that shoot themselves in the foot
MisterE: they lost billions on a populist rice pledging scheme
mircea_popescu: so basically, thailand is a set of old landed gentry trying their best to stick to relevancy ? sorta like argentina ?
MisterE: they really are dumb I mean I dont want to be racist but Thailand is run and full of dumb people
MisterE: thats why people enjoy vacation so uch here
MisterE: mircea_popescu: that's pretty good analysis
MisterE: old money here has been around for generations and nothing much has changed under the hood
MisterE: though as is typical in Asia lots of new paintjobs :)
MisterE: I tell you it really wears on me at times
cazalla: i thought people go to thailand for sex tourism?
mircea_popescu: MisterE actually i think i get whart you mean re vacations. costa rica is a pleasure, but yeah the locals are really slow.
MisterE: I irc a lot and hang out at the foreign corespondent's club and stay sane that way
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"
☟︎ MisterE: you really do not want to live here unless you're retiring
MisterE: especially if you have any addictive personality or not able to self-motivate
MisterE: I get out to hk and cx and sg often so BKK is a great base
MisterE: also my standard of living is high and super cheap
mircea_popescu: really, this is true of most of the world outside of some very narrowly selected places.
mircea_popescu: most places that aren't california, new york, pairs etc have high living standards of living, plentiful and obedient good looking women etc.
MisterE: well you can't match the cost of living here in most places where Western comforts are available granted though I've given up on most of them just because of changing
mircea_popescu: how not ? i've lived pretty much all over the world. living space costs you something in the range of a dollar per square foot per year.
mircea_popescu: food (actual, as opposed to whatever the fuck us fastfood is) will run you ten bux a day and so on
MisterE: my last place was about 80sqm, near the beach, a duplex, 2 bed 1nice bath and full kitchen (not often found here) and rent $230
MisterE: if you want to eat healthy
Apocalyptic: SG is nice, though expensive for Asia standards
Apocalyptic: i read somewhere it's becoming the most expensive city in the world
MisterE: yea I would never live in sg because of the cost or hk also the space
MisterE: that same place would have been $1500 in Berkeley or $3500 in SF
mircea_popescu: but i just said "most places that aren't california, new york, pairs etc"
MisterE: yea I sort of did want to live in a beach town a coupl eyears
MisterE: it wore off now deciding what to do next and rural is definitely the way forward
MisterE: I'm old done enough cities
cazalla: that's what i'm doing in 18-24 months MisterE
mircea_popescu: haha we're exact opposite ends of the cycle. i'm sick of peace and quiet.
cazalla: headed innawoods in tasmania
MisterE: I wouldn't want to live anywhere that wasn't reasonably close to somewhere with culture and fun though it's worth it to pay for that
MisterE: like I'd never live in Kansas
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MisterE: or you know OK mid-west wasteland
cazalla: mircea_popescu: tassie is small, i'll find an area with a school within an hour and the wife can drive him
MisterE: find a good school, build somethign nearby
cazalla: i was actually going to piss off and do this before she fell pregnant
MisterE: thats always what I thought I;d do but no kids ever came
MisterE: maybe I;m shooting blanks :)
mircea_popescu: haha which reminds me, there used to be this whore advertised as a cum grader
MisterE: you lived in au mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: she supposedly could tell you if you were shooting blanks or not.
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fluffypony: MisterE: mircea_popescu likes to Remain Here
mircea_popescu: "The North Carolina Attorney General's Office is now joining other states investigating a massive data breach at a credit reporting agency that has put 200 million Social Security numbers at risk."
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, if it were some shitty service nobody heard of that happened to take btc ?
MisterE: right, proicks protecting their corporate friends
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: CORE security flaw in the Bitcoin ponzi scam!
mircea_popescu: this is here so i have what to link journos when they need to be told how to cover btc.
mircea_popescu: cover it like it was obama's experian, fuckwit. because it is.
MisterE: corps hate us because we will gut and assimilate them one day
MisterE: reminds me of talking about saving face, Thai Air plane went off runway recently, monor accident few people roughed up but before deplaning or doing anything they had a crew out there covering the Thai logs
mircea_popescu: o wait, this is one of those fucktarded south asian countries which a) still has libel and b) truth is no defense to it ?
fluffypony: MisterE: indeed - that's the textbook I use for my Advanced Alcoholicist course
MisterE: \\\truth is a defense if you can afford to defend yourself defamation is prosecuted by the state and has a very chilling effect
MisterE: I'm involved with a case now
mircea_popescu: i remember some ridiculous thing where some blogger said she found a cockroach in her soup and then had to take down the post because the eatery objected
MisterE: the Lesse Majeste laws are what th is really know for being regressive about
mircea_popescu: fucking burn the place down, the gall of those people.
mircea_popescu: MisterE amusingly, that part i can see. unless you're willing to go to war for the throne, stfu about the king.
MisterE: well it's got that but on the upside nobody fucks with you here the cops do nothing they dont see their pace to intervene in personal disputes, you must have personal responsibility
MisterE: I feel more free in reality here despite the nice piece of paper back in the US and my passport
MisterE: and nothing a little cash cant fix here even if I fuck up
MisterE: politeness of course trumps all
MisterE: yes works to the foregners advantage almost always
mircea_popescu: people keep saying "corrupt" like it's a bad thing, but i seriously have been making it one of my top indicators
mircea_popescu: you dun wanna live in an "uncorrupt" society, because that always means totalitarian in practice.
MisterE: yea shit gets done when the wheels are greased
MisterE: US is nearly as corrupt but has a fucking elaborate system to shield it behind
MisterE: I may have more respect for Asians who just say hell with it and lay it on the table
mircea_popescu: MisterE try and tell a us cop that he either gets on his knees or he loses his job. then go pay his boss to fire him.
MisterE: tbh it effects me very little maybe once every other month in a minor driving incident
MisterE: yea US cops are out of control
MisterE: but still remain interested in politics and happeings
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mircea_popescu: humiliating the police force is pretty much the test. if they don't understand that they have to get out of the way of *some people* it ain't a country worth living in.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall
MisterE: oh check out how the right of way system works here...
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1100 blocks | Estimated Change: 4.6909% in 7d 6h 42m 4s
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check that out, there's class warfare on bitbet
MisterE: so pedestrians are on the bottom ofc and have to wait for everything, then motorbikes (mopeds), then cars, then trucks (medium size) then busses because state owned bug dgaf and will hammer you) then big trucks with like trailers and finally everyone yields to the lat model Mercedes Benz . This is because the Benz may be driven by a well connected person who could make problems for you so fucks in Benzes flaunt everyone
MisterE: and anyone important here gets a police escort there's dozens maybe hundreds a day
mircea_popescu: i much prefer the european system (pedestrian have priority over anything)
MisterE: when royal family travels pedestrian overpasses are blocked, not for security, but because no one can be positioned higher than a royal.
MisterE: I think some jerks here actually accelerate when you're in a crosswalk
MisterE: mircea_popescu: tl;dr Thais are the nicest people money can buy.
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fluffypony: so someone placed a ~100 BTC buy order on Cryptsy for Dogecoin last night
fluffypony: from Reddit: "It's a Bitcoin investor that is going to capitalize on the ingenuity and creativity of Dogecoin."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05289998 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah the buy was at 98
mircea_popescu: so basically... doge owner and operator spending 100 of his last 1xx btc in a doomed but desperate attempt to save his pump and dump scheme from oblivion
mircea_popescu: in spite of having made ~70% losses on his total investment so far, and in spite of having managed to attreact the wrath of mp, dude still hopes.
MisterE: I read rumor that DOGE and LTC were combining lol
mircea_popescu: MisterE the shit consists of nothing but trying to somehow buy press coverage. so... yeah. rumours.
MisterE: there's a bitbet about dog still worffing
MisterE: yep think it was bitcointalk or some crap site
mircea_popescu: ya but it never gathered 10 btc worth of interest iirc
ozbot: BitBet - Doge still woofing on April Fool's Day
BingoBoingo: Dogers aren't the type to have discovered hedging yet though
fluffypony: coinmarketcap hurts my brain with the number of bullshit coins on there
pankkake: I should have made the bet last more, but April 1st was a good date
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03427436 = 0.1371 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: "Safari refresh couple of times if you don't see the entire webpage contents below."
MisterE: Ya GF delivers Carl's Jr.!
fluffypony: "Marinecoin is far ahead of its time, 5-10 years beyond traditional thinking. Let them make fun of you if they wish, for you will have your "Who is laughing now?" moment, guaranteed."
MisterE: I know but chix sand not the worst and I do get cravings here
cazalla: Isracoin has been doing ok, they're gonna have an airdrop, wonder if the palestinians will do that for them heh
MisterE: how could you make a coin to help carbon emissions?
fluffypony: pankkake: looks much better than the actual site
fluffypony: cazalla: all of the coins with a ** next to the total supply you can disregard
fluffypony: they're "significantly premined", so if two of them sell for 100 satoshi but there are 10 trillion premined
cazalla: i think you can disregard any without 1 next to them
fluffypony: well, you can figure out what that means
fluffypony: "Ladies and Gentlemen, we are ready and proud to announce, to educate the rest 99% of the population who has never heard about crypto currencies. The CHECKMATE Trading System. Using Eccentric Trade Matrix Harmonic Acceleration Technology. The one & only truly revolutionary trading platform based on quantum physics & electron flow dynamics mathematical formulas. A 6 dimensional chess game we have invented that will forever change how crypto
fluffypony: currencies are going to be traded in the very near future."
fluffypony: what in actual fuck are these people smoking
mircea_popescu: fluffypony basically it's like this : society consists at all times of some people in the center, and a bunch of nuts at the edges. they are at the edges because they suck.
mircea_popescu: now, all new things start at the edge and move towards the center.
mircea_popescu: and every time something looks like it's going that way, the filth tries to hitch a ride.
mircea_popescu: that's the winklevoss twins, in a word : scum facebook sorta-drug with it.
MisterE: fairly lengthy troll today from minersdidit
mircea_popescu: and every single nutty idea will try to pile itself on top of the train, as it were, just as long as they figure "thge train is going somewhere"
mircea_popescu: so expect to have flat earth bitcoin, godcoin, globalwarmingcoin, etc.
MisterE: globalwarmingcoin was my idea!!
fluffypony: the altcoin section of Bitcointalk is becoming the Warrior Forums of BTC
cazalla: fluffypony: WF is one step ahead, you have been able to buy WSO on making money with crypto for some time
MisterE: I read a city minted a coin, only the local gov can mine it, and they're giving it for charitable things people do to help the city. now you can exchange for a title or crappy council resolution but trying to make more incentives for it.
pankkake: I hope Detroit launches Robocoin
fluffypony: you can use it to tie up your actual money?
pankkake: can be either hanging themed or bondage themed
pankkake: bagholders would be at the end of the rope
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BingoBoingo: So BTC is pretty much back to where it was 2 days ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 19 @ 0.14 = 2.66 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yes, until China bans bitcoin again
BingoBoingo: This is what, the seventh, eighth time already?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
pankkake: rape credits would be better. make them work like carbon credits
MisterE: murdercoin I might could get behind
MisterE: some people should not reproduce
pankkake: castracoin should be enough then
nubbins`: ;;later tell moiety Taegukgi yep, May 18 nope
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fluffypony: Apocalyptic: did they seriously misspell official?
mircea_popescu: is this the same dork that kept trying to pump ixcoin ?
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artifexd: ;;later tell kakobrekla Why did assbot rate a bunch of people?
pankkake: looks like a list of users active on #bitcoin-assets
artifexd: After the 12 hour troll fest in here last night, I wouldn't be surprised if #bitcoin-assets became +m and to get +v you had to be rated in the wot.
artifexd: Of course, that increases the chicken/egg problem. Maybe being ident would be enough?
mircea_popescu: this isn't really meant as a first line "learn about bitcoin and share your feelings" venue anyway. there's the various forums and social media sites for that.
Apocalyptic: <intgr> "Theo De Raadt just set OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEAT on libssl for OpenBSD. Shame that the actual flag is OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS, so the commit does nothing."
MisterE: any change of getting a raping from assbot?
ozbot: xkcd: Heartbleed Explanation
mircea_popescu: pankkake answer contained in question : because everyone was too busy derping with xkcd
pankkake: too busy derping answers a lot of questions :/
pankkake: MisterE: used to be my forum sig somewhere. it's an addiction, I always try to quit but I fall in it again
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pankkake: I would actually argue that apples are better than oranges too
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. i really see it there. i love myself a summer evening apple, but also a winter morning orange.
mircea_popescu: imo the biggest drawback of xckd is his psychotic relation to sexuality.
pankkake: MisterE: but oranges have moar vitamins, good for an early meal
MisterE: hmm I do like me a fresh orange juice in the morning but lately the acid is not my friend :/
pankkake: I like the small oranges, clementines and mandarins, maybe because I'm a filthy individualist?
MisterE: in US I used to get the low acid concentraded OJ
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pankkake: without the fiber it must be harder to digest
mircea_popescu: true story : me in a park, on bench, with apple. big fat red juicy apple. little girl sorta shyly eyeing my apple from a safe distance. so i extend it for her to take a bite. she bites and sorta... gets stuck ? starts shaking her head and eventually pulls away ?
MisterE: my stomach is a rock so I dunno why i eat chilies by the truckload
mircea_popescu: blood gushing everywhere. and my apple... now has a tooth in it.
MisterE: most Asians cant believe I eat spicy
MisterE: there are 3 Ney Years celebrations here
MisterE: but this shuts the country down like nothing else
MisterE: streets in Bangkok that are usually jam packed will be wide open
MisterE: my problem is nobody to make me food heh
MisterE: probably will go for 3 days straight pizza
cazalla: you know you can have the best of both worlds with a meyer lemon, i have a tree, best lemons in the world
cazalla: how did i misread apple v orange as lemon v orange
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 30 @ 0.14 = 4.2 BTC
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mircea_popescu: ;;echo $randomnick $randomnick sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s...
gribble: asciilifeform ystarnaud sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s...
rithm: recently in #bitcoin-mining: <Meldrysha> i bought a antminer u2+. but cgminer or bfg miner cant find the antminer. can anyone help me with my bad english?^^
rithm: that's a real line of text too
ozbot: A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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Shakespeare: people play for different reasons, you cant cater to all of them
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Shakespeare: some people want to excel, whether achieved or not, they aspire to be a top raider
Shakespeare: some people want to have fun, be social, this requires regular opportunity to be part of an active and communicating group
Shakespeare: i do better solo, and work on my rating that way
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Shakespeare: then, like children, some people need order
Shakespeare: that lends to having an organizational structure
Shakespeare: generally all these things are offering relevance
Shakespeare: just each player seeks relevance in different ways
Shakespeare: some guilds would try to tackle catering to all these things
Shakespeare: dunno if any of that helps, but those are my most immediate thoughts
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare well yes but for instance there's the institution of legatus milites
mircea_popescu: guild rank 4. he gets to organise raids, and has access to special guild vault of raids supplies.
mircea_popescu: chick in question ? didn't even know all this. tho it's on the fucking guild wall
mircea_popescu: now part of it could be bad ui, i guess. but part of it is just incomprehensible to me
Shakespeare: as in, can lowly noob be directed to education?
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mircea_popescu: some earlier dudes (whgich is when istarted suspecting i may have a problem) wanted permission to raid with some other guild. i was like fine
mircea_popescu: then they joined the other guild. im like wtf you dummies, you three go join two dudes in a lvl 4 guild ? why don't they join you in your lvl 13 guild wtf.
Shakespeare: yeah, i mean if it's just random turnover, well you cant stop that
mircea_popescu: ie, i doubt if you ask the total guild population (somehow) half know im the leader
mircea_popescu: im tempted to think that people are by now so fucking blinded by the idiocy of the us system that rather than aspire to live, they aspire to one day be the ones to give the orders.
artifexd: Maybe he/she wants to be revered. It is easier to be the big fish in a small pond.
Shakespeare: as soon as they hit any kind of obstacle or friction they will first think, well should i just own it myself?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2401 @ 0.0001 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {2}
Shakespeare: i started guilds, i rose to rank and to leader in some
Shakespeare: really being a leader in WoW fucking blows
mircea_popescu: well that's the thing, i'm not about to spend a ton of time derping in guild chat or w/e.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
mircea_popescu: i've have enough of my hands full being pretty much... the marketmaker there. it's fucking ridiculous with these people.
mircea_popescu: i guess if i go looking for it, the "they're just retarded" theory actually has a lot of support.
Shakespeare: yeah i wouldnt get too wrapped up in "fixing" gamer behavior
mircea_popescu: i mean don;'t get me wrong, im not butthurt or anything, join a 2 year old game and own the top guild on one shard within what, 4-5 months is not trivial.
BingoBoingo: Eh, maybe they just got bored being in a large guild that has already "won" the game?
pLambert: HIF just released their quarterly staement, price is dropping like a rock
mircea_popescu: pLambert is hif the havelog version of the vtx thing ?
jborkl: well no trades are posting
jborkl: assbot on break again?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hardly, that's the rub. game has tons of 12man team content, we;ve barely scratched the surface. item rarities go over 7 tiers, the best available atm is tier 4 or so.
pLambert: yeah, it is havelock, maybe the price is so low it is not showing?
Shakespeare: the obnoxiously overpriced IPO was discussed mos ago
mircea_popescu: but with a bunch of 3man lvl 3guilds that's never going to be within reach
mircea_popescu: assbot> [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2401 @ 0.0001 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {2} < i see ?
pLambert: does havelock round its numbers to 4 places?
fluffypony: they should switch to floats. I hear good things about floats.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00010000 / 0.00027366 / 0.00039498 (10792 shares, 2.95328721 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032857 / 0.00043000 (23457 shares, 7.70732156 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00038972 / 0.00056500 (75791 shares, 29.53749976 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498765 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: "Dividend value is posted (albeit incredibly disappointing), but I have not had received any bitcoin to my account.
Shakespeare: Also, there is nothing in the report outlining what the "expenses" are made up of."
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare note the "dividend value" "reports" equivalency in the person;'s head.
bounce: dunno. could be... a lack of athmosphere maybe?
nubbins`: the best part is when they don't enumerate expenses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498755 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "we spend 60btc per month on... things"
bounce has no idea what drives the generic gamer, though. been years since I happened to play along with a bunch of fanatical gamers. mostly starcraft on university computers.
bounce: could try and organise a few community officers or whatever you'd like to call'em, have them organise meet-ups, in-game parties, whatever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC {2}
Shakespeare: lol the HIF qrtlyt report "only available to unit holders"
bounce: buy one share to see the report?
mircea_popescu: bounce i bought a guild tavern, there's tons of decorations available. the position of "guild tavern designer" is pretty much oipen for the asking.
mircea_popescu: you'd think people'd jump on the change to play dolly house on my money, but somehow... nop.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498765 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ^ for all you suckers who didn't blow your wad on HIF
nubbins`: Shakespeare: 179btc spent on "???", not bad
Shakespeare: Over 100,000 Unique Visitors to our site
Shakespeare: 7 New Funds Representing 13 Different Companies were added
Shakespeare: Support/FAQ web platform was successfully lunched
nubbins`: "average visitor duration" -- y'know, something that people give a fuck about :D
bounce: not the first time I hear someone complain that people don't pick up on this, and I'm probably extra double guilty, but from this armchair... er, well, it'll do, it's like, need a working culture of enthousiasm and picking up on things for people to do that. not everyone is enthousiastic from the get-go, but people'll pick up on it if the other sheep are doing it too, or if that's just the thing you do.
Shakespeare: We were able to build the infrastructure for companies to
Shakespeare: raise capital through the Bitcoin protocol. Using the protocol first and foremost for what it was intended for: as a payment
Shakespeare: gateway. Individuals from all over the globe were able to participate directly in the new Funds that we offered.
Shakespeare: Over the past few months we received countless applications for the Bitcoin Venture Capital Fund. Going over countless
Shakespeare: business plans and financial projections, we can see the way Bitcoin is paving the way for a whole new economy. We are
Shakespeare: excited for the future of our company and the way we are able to bring those companies into the global market place.
Shakespeare: Our team is working harder than ever to bring the users of our platform a diversified choice of Funds to choose from when
Shakespeare: they are putting their hard earned Bitcoins to work. We look forward to continue to serve our customers and the companies
Shakespeare: we partner with to the best of our abilities.
bounce: apparently the log will have to do for a pastebin too. amazing versatility.
Shakespeare: if you can deal with idiot pollution like minersdidit, i'm allowed a wall of text here and there
jurov: <MisterE> any change of getting a raping from assbot? << NOPE. I TRIED.
mike_c: I am not getting a clear picture of the potential customer issues the MPEx rfc is aiming to fix. Perhaps I am being thick.
bounce: who said I can deal with that? *eyes glaze over, tune out, scroll by*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
ozbot: HIFQuarterly Results 1Q2014.pdf - Google Drive
mike_c: is the goal to try to have some kind of proof in the case where a customer and mpex disagree on whether an order was accepted? or is is just to give the customer more tools to manage their orders.
jurov: mike_c: what you're on about?
ozbot: MPEx.RFC.1 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
jurov: oh the joy *reads on*
mircea_popescu: this thing with the order id keeps getting brought up for some reason
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
mike_c: ok. then i still agree with my comment about mpex accepting the count and updating.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00096231 = 18.8132 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: you already had a dicsussion about that? my grep fu fails me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
mike_c: just in the blog comments
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.15062784 BTC to 7`668 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 307 @ 0.00072511 = 0.2226 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] [PAID] 0.63536437 BTC to 1`717`201 shares, 37 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 6 @ 0.14 = 0.84 BTC {2}
MisterE: jurov: I've had assbot on ignore since I got here so I might have already had one without knowing :)
MisterE: that dude so gets lighted a lot :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 399 @ 0.00072511 = 0.2893 BTC [-] {2}
akstunt600: wish i had 30btc, i want some dividends
akstunt600: oh well, nobody expects the spanish Inquisition
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00072503 = 0.2552 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14 = 0.56 BTC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was probably on about some game thing. I had to address the Carbon Monoxide detector.
BingoBoingo: Thing was beeping every couple minutes to alert that it had reached its end of life.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: you won't believe this :x, yesterday some guy got in contact with me wanting to start a bitcoin meetup for my area, I go meet him and he tells me he has something from butterfly labs and that he plugged the US power supply into our UK sockets and broke it, so it has been sitting in the box since, didn't know which model it was or whatever, so I agree to go take a look
Azelphur: turns out, he has had a SC Single sitting in a box since November, dude burned so much money >.<
benkay: fluffypony: how does a maid break an iron? defective maids or defective irons?
Azelphur: I still can't believe that haha, how could someone end up with one of those...and then just leave it in a box
bounce: in soviet russia, iron maiden break you!
Shakespeare: it's the annual IPO festival in Jacksonville this week
ozbot: Startups Compete For Crowdfunding Dollars In Person At The One Spark Festival - Forbes
BingoBoingo: benkay: Probably a confusion of ideas. The maid should have been a dockworker.
Shakespeare: this year, they didnt use a bomb for the logo
Shakespeare: well, i suppose the port is actually the best thing jax has
Shakespeare: i know a few people fundraising at onespark, it's kinda like a shark tank expo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05252358 = 1.0505 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: jurov dude you gotta advertise that thing, nobody knows about it!
Azelphur: akstunt600: I could do it for you if you wanted
jurov: i'll make an ads saying "coinbr is the legitimate broker" or what?
akstunt600: I guess yeah multisig solves these probems with trust too
gribble: Request successful for user Azelphur, hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0358cd1b0ce056183b46488845777c93086083fa52335cf0dc273602
Azelphur: ;;bcverify HOsLCI2eb6NmGVWwfheeZeABeTD+nIBOEkIRrG460+PG6eIxdTmPOigg1emi3R3I0//oJZ3ztMSV4jJs+Pa35Bc=
gribble: You are now authenticated for user 'Azelphur' with address 144LmVdmgLy2rc9dGMhJfqb4fUmGWMMk9M
Azelphur: ;;ratingsystem getrating azelphur
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com . User Azelphur, rated since Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012. Cumulative rating 232, from 162 total ratings. Received ratings: 150 positive, 12 negative. Sent ratings: 150 positive, 15 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur jurov: ;;later tell akstunt600 where did you learned abut mpex?
Azelphur: jurov: nope, still here, he rejoined :P
jurov: akstunt600 i was asking to get ideas where to advertise
pLambert: <mircea_popescu> jurov "don't wanna pay 30 btc ? use coinbr!" [12:17] <mircea_popescu> it even rhymes <<< What they hell, how is that even close to a rhyme?
akstunt600: and saw the bot and people mention mpex
pLambert: I don't even see what you thought might rhyme?
akstunt600: read it and loved mircea_popescu attitude
jurov: so basically i should bribe assbot to spam about coinbr. >:D
jurov: instead of these quotes.. kakobrekla, you'ere up to it?
akstunt600: I found coinbr while mucking about too
pLambert: I have a reference link to coinbr in my bitcointalk sig, but I don't think anybody ever clicks on those
jurov: kakobrekla in fact i can sell assbot's ad slots for you, so that you don't have to care about it
jurov: !t show me ad instead of lame quote
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
kakobrekla: well, the quotes carry great educational value.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : you could sell contextual ads. replace the dumbass "amazing company" so that whenever someone says 30 btc assbot says "use coinbr!"
kakobrekla: yeah but im not taking the amazing out
TomServo: kakobrekla: seems histographs are broken on bitbet
Shakespeare: why so attachec to the amzing company kako?
kakobrekla: i dunno, maybe you are too fresh to know that
pLambert: are there any other automated brokers besides Coinbr for MPEx?
Shakespeare: Cloudflare now saying they cant figure out how to get heartbleed to bleed keys
the20year: are there any other meetups similar to onespark?
Shakespeare: its not a meetup, but i think SXSW has similarities
Shakespeare: and i know silicon valley does pitch events
mircea_popescu: pLambert not afaik. couldn't hurt anything to have more i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
pLambert: heh, I will get right on writing one. How hard can it be? ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
pLambert: well, at least they had email updates when trades execute, unlike CoinBR
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: jail
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03425 = 0.137 BTC [+] {3}
rithm: if i had a laser on the moon, i'd hold the world hostage for a million
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June
benkay: where's my double-digit and single digit bets, eh?
jurov delivered withering response to mpex rfc.
jurov: though, i must admit that it could be good way to protect myself
jurov: when i;m under threat of rectothermals, i can just vaporize all coinbr holdings :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0075 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052987 = 0.159 BTC [+]
MisterE: think we'll see 300 before June eh?
mircea_popescu: lol jurov singlehandedly sunk the first rfc in bitcoin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05184778 = 0.1037 BTC [-]
jurov: but now the enemy knows i have push papers buried somewhere D:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 214 @ 0.000725 = 0.1552 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
jurov: no cardano will help mah
mircea_popescu: This watch was on your daddy's wrist when he was shot down over Hanoi. He was captured, put in a Vietnamese prison camp. He knew that if the gooks ever saw the watch, it'd be confiscated and taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his
mircea_popescu: ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to you.
MisterE: ^ Christopher Walken nails that
MisterE: Suicide Kings is another great role for him
TomServo: Brad Pitt was great in True Romance too, haha
MisterE: yep bad script but good acting from Walken and the fishboots actor ohh wtf his name
MisterE: Deer Hunter was masterpiece
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05254321 = 0.4203 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05254321 = 0.4203 BTC [+]
ozbot: 'weev' Conviction Vacated - Slashdot
ozbot: 'weev' Conviction Vacated - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096454 = 15.4326 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: TomServo perhaps his only good role. that's what the man was born to play.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude, weren't they supposed to extradite me ? this is a step in the wrong direction!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WHo knows? I mean apparently appelate courts care about piddly shit like "venue"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: scraped a public web page and embarassed AT&T
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: not sure if this is too personal a question, but were you born and raised in Romania? follow on question if yes - to what do you attribute your grasp of the English language, if it is not your home language?
Mats_cd03: 12:56 — jurov delivered withering response to mpex rfc.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yes. and i speak a number of languages, which i attribute to women.
jurov: Mats_cd03: no just a comment on trilema
fluffypony: cryptolemming: private domain registration and they're letting you buy Bitcoin with an easily reversible payment method?
cryptolemming: sure,same preconceptions, just wondering if anyone has more in-depth info
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00096471 = 10.033 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0475 = 0.1425 BTC [+]
fluffypony: yeah he looks nothing like you, just thought it was a funny coincidence
cryptolemming: well, I mean, certainly a preconceived idea? as they aren't bankrupt or there is no real indication to assume they may be besides a reasonable assumption of what may occur?
cryptolemming: feel free to insert what you thin is a more accurate word though, was still wondering if anyone had knowledge about the site and its owner
mircea_popescu: cryptolemming apparently you got a nick, you can pm him directly.
danielpbarron: cryptolemming: BCB said he has trusted the that site's owner with about 2 BTC
cryptolemming: pming the owner will give me the owners opinions...trust certainly helps somewhat, thank you
fluffypony: cryptolemming: with a private domain registration, no. I'm sure someone can claim it's their site, but how can we know?
mircea_popescu: cryptolemming you can start by verifying if ineed the person registered in the wot runs that site.
fluffypony: thestringpuller: yes, I meant without him opting in to trust :)
cryptolemming: many ppl here know many ppl I do not, felt like it couldnt hurt to ask, pardon the interruption then
fluffypony: cryptolemming: not at all, no interruption, it's just that it's not really within the scope of #bitcoin-assets :)
cryptolemming: my impression was that it would be relevant place to ask, if not the best?
danielpbarron: cryptolemming: #bitcoin-otc is probably the best place to ask
cryptolemming: i'll throw it out there, what is the scope of bitcoin-assets then if someone wouldnt mind answering
mircea_popescu: i don't even remember wat the furthers out queston on record was,
JorgePasada: damn, kinda hoped the price was going to stay down a couple more days
benkay: cryptography, quantum computing, feminism, racism, eugenics, communism, socialism, capitalism, stochastic calculus, multivariate calculus, rockets, random numbers, state compromise of crypto toolchain...
benkay: modern natural philosophy.
mircea_popescu: i think at some point we calculated the total mileage of stale cunt in the world...
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 426.0, Best ask: 426.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 54066.65501627, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 432.22, 24 hour vwap: 387.034644005
JorgePasada: benkay: I'll be at the meetup on Tues, you be there?
rithm wouldn't admit to reading trilema
rithm is all out of pokemon tokens to read blawg
rithm: i need moar tokens
cryptolemming: *cough, rithm stop impersonating me and making statements
mircea_popescu: well if they don't i have no idea where this 200 btc came from
BingoBoingo: cryptolemming: Yeah, he usually writes moar than five things a week
rithm: should i just use tor and proxies
rithm: to defaet the token system
BingoBoingo: Also have to look through the backissues to ogle the centerfolds
rithm: i knew people used tor for _some_ reason asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or MP is helping the NSA identify the cheap bastards
rithm: mircea *MIGHT* be a CIA plant
rithm: i'm not saying he isn't
mircea_popescu: so now : people in assbot's wot (l1 or 2) can get voice by id'ing with gribble
mircea_popescu: and once they do, they can also give voice to random noobs, like
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: the esteemed wao-ender TomServo jborkl and keonne are kindly asked to get into the wot so they may be seen by assbot
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
gribble: Error: "deauth" is not a valid command.
gribble: Your GPG session has been terminated.
kakobrekla: yea need to do something about gribble
rithm: nope fuck it i gave up already
mircea_popescu: i suspect BingoBoingo will make a fortune in poopiesharpers from selling !up services.
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 39F274AFBC7ACAC7, key fingerprint E908FB088F5FD6BB3581460F39F274AFBC7ACAC7, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Everyone has got to have their hustle
assbot: Voicing yours for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing general_concern for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing _POST['user'] for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05226397 = 0.1045 BTC [-]
rithm: yeah i tried !down mircea_popescu first too
assbot: Voicing The_Butt for 30 minutes.
benkay: this'll change the dynamic somewhat.
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 914 @ 0.00072305 = 0.6609 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Voicing ri for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: you can only down the ones that have been upped
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
rithm: it doesn't work anyways
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
rithm: i'm guessing because the nick differs
rithm: or assbot has bullshit trust
mircea_popescu: well i honestly do declare this makes -assets much closer to my dreamz.
assbot: Voicing the-rigging-boys for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: assbot finally gets revenge on all those who put it on ignore
mircea_popescu: !up nanotube check out the cool shit kako did with bots!
assbot: Voicing nanotube for 30 minutes.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user assbot has been recorded.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so far its worse than before.
benkay: we have a new toy now kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
rithm: probably the best/worst idea ever
benkay: why would one subject oneself to that once in assbot's wot?
mircea_popescu: this is one of those rare cases where the execution ensmartifies the design
mircea_popescu: benkay maybe to see if there's a consensus on a given topic ?
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
benkay: just down me if you think im tardifying the chan plz
benkay: this is going to make people hammer their gpg toolchains out
benkay: some are indubitably going to break their own security
BingoBoingo: I'm glad I waited on finishing the IRC how to.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete things have changed around here. ident with gribble and then !up yourself with assbot
benkay: asciilifeform: i'm talking about unforced errors. shortcuts put in to 'make life easier'.
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (505 shares, 3.78750000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (2573 shares, 19.29750000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00703072 / 0.00750000 (27353 shares, 192.31117008 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00096166 = 6.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In bits and pieces. Playing with a few different IRC clients as some research, but I'll probably shit it out client agnostic anyways.
benkay: could we get usernames in assbot responses?
benkay: handles nicks whatever
benkay: did the consensus mechanism not take?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla don't fix the down vuln thing it's splendid
pankkake: hello, I'm not sure how I feel about that
pankkake: does assbot also allow n+1s? i.e. I trust The_Butt, can The_Butt !up itself?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01793998 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: true. I just haven't found any influx of annoying people making +m worth it
assbot: Voicing davout for 30 minutes.
benkay: incentivizing wot usage
benkay: tie it into all the things
mircea_popescu: all it takes is for someone in assbot's primary trust to wot someone, he's now self-uping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.0179789 = 0.3596 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 21 @ 0.00669999 = 0.1407 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: So... basically the price of buttcoins has dropped to 0 BTC...
BingoBoingo: Obama might actually have to sodomize himself if he shows up here and wants to talk.
benkay: pankkake: it's an augmented +m
Blazedout419: seems silly to set +m if it is that easy to get a voice ;D
davout: what's with the voice thing?
benkay: ;;gettrust Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net . User Blazedout419, rated since Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013. Cumulative rating 253, from 115 total ratings. Received ratings: 115 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 121 positive, 3 negative. Details:
http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 benkay: it's only easy for you 'cause you're deep in the wot, Blazedout419
pankkake: I updated my ignores, now /ignore -channels #bitcoin-assets -pattern HAVELOCK assbot
kakobrekla: ;;this universe theinternets bitcoinotc wot can i has rating of ze Blazedout419
gribble: Error: "this" is not a valid command.
benkay: "game starts at maxlvl"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 46.09389664 BTC to 80`674 shares, 57136 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 it seems perfect in that' it's easy for the right people.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: but you know, i figure it'd take some time for this to be digested and so we see if it actually is a good idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.01799242 = 0.108 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I swear I won't exploit journalists who want voice to discuss things... too much...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 663 @ 0.00017301 = 0.1147 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0529871 = 0.4239 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing ozbot for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing jurov for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14 = 0.56 BTC
jurov: always at your service with some impertinent quip ready!
BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: If you want voice ur gonna have to do butt stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05298633 = 0.159 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:126d5a90e3e8f29b46f702e6f9322fc1620560c9fc57be6b2e9b5e84
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0529858 = 0.106 BTC [-]
jurov: now this does not work too?
nubbins`: ;;aol i guess we get to see how power corrupts
kakobrekla: "!up" is for private msg, "!up <nick>" is for chan
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: ;;aol i guess we get to see how power corrupts
gribble: i guess we get 2 see how power corrupts:-D:-D:-D
nubbins`: too much chatting going on in here, or what? ;D
BingoBoingo: <robwhiz22> wants voice. Do we bid and see who wants to sell out to the spammzor the cheapest? I'll sit this one out.
nubbins`: was robwhiz22 the guy speaking in riddles about selling cardano flaws?
nubbins`: i must've missed it. he actually coughed something up?
gribble: #20297 Fri Apr 11 15:17:22 2014 pankkake SELL 1.0 Sennheiser HD 580 Precision @ 0.32227 BTC (Used, tested, new pads #eu)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0529874 = 0.106 BTC [+]
nubbins`: stopped reading halfway through
nubbins`: didn't think ninjashogun was robwhiz22 tho, ninjashogun has been derping here for ages
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0529874 = 0.7948 BTC [+]
jurov: <robwhiz22> Hi. How does one get voice in channel, please? I would like to follow up with Mircea Popescu on a proposal I sent him via email, to which he invited me to channel.
jurov: i asked him to pay 5btc first
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I know you are an artist, but... that cheap?
benkay: the sweet sweet silence
assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
benkay: robwhiz22: the cost of admission is a sharpie in the pooper
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i'm not an artist ;D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03640958 = 0.7282 BTC [+] {7}
jurov: 30minutes voice is not admission
SatoshiJack: Getting there --- will be taking atc prob. by end of weekend..but you can play for free now :) and test the game play :)
nubbins`: just as well he didn't pay 5btc
benkay: well hey now let's give the man a chance
nubbins`: <robwhiz22> I don't really have anything public to discuss.
benkay: what is this atc game?
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm not sure which is why I voiced him
SatoshiJack: SJ -- will be taking atc --- been mining like hell to get a little bank going --- working on the backend support for it -- don't have all the function of blockchain.info over @ blockr...
BingoBoingo: SatoshiJack: Well you don't want to leverage a block explorer too much. I mean how often has Blockchain.info been down this month
kakobrekla: block has everything you need to process atc shit
SatoshiJack: True that --- we were using some of the api to push some transactions -- but for many coins -- we will have to host a daemon as well -- for cold wallet etc...
SatoshiJack: none the less -- we are supporting it and working out all the details as we can --- but any play we can get at the tables and suggestions on game play etc is greatly appreciated!
benkay: so uh rip out those avatars
jurov: just got an email from a coinbr user "i bought Bitcoin Hedge Fund on BitcoinBourse and want to list it on coinbr"
jurov: i was like god save us
BingoBoingo: I wonder if dotcoin would put a whole pumpkin up his pooper for voice?
BingoBoingo: Just make an ncurses type interface. Everyone loves that
SatoshiJack: I'm on it -- and with you -- code monkeys know not pretty ui...
BingoBoingo: www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/11/an-opportunity-for-readers/
bounce: so, uhm. how about a way to up and down the fence as needed, too?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> so, anyone think this is a bad idea ? /// I'm conflicted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00096166 = 4.6641 BTC [-]
nubbins`: if not the purpose, certainly the result
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: To make sure new blood doesn't have GRIDS
bounce: I expect the goal was to silence trolls like the one filling today's log for a goodly while. hence the raising and lowering of the fence suggestion.
ThickAsThieves: if we wanted our own cool kids room, couldnt we make it and have it in sikrit?
nubbins`: or, y'know, +v on join with the option to -v if too noisy/stupid
bounce: there's +q for that, too.
ThickAsThieves: if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03699984 = 0.185 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: I like this. This is different, and interesting.
nubbins`: efnet didn't have all these peculiar channel modes ;(
ThickAsThieves: yeah it's fun n all, i'm just unclear what the pros are
bounce: but a +v on join would work too, I suppose
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: it also adds inconvenience, like if i am mobile and wanna lurk and maybe comment, i dont wanna have to auth and have all tools needed to do so on my phone
bounce: not disagreeing with you there
bounce: doesn't work on the log
ThickAsThieves: like when minersdidit pollutes for an hour, a couple can say hey kako can you mute this fucker?
nubbins`: or !mute with the same conditions as !up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00008 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: Olegopoly: when people named Oleg are in charge
bounce: moar ops? plus obligatory WoTlink
BingoBoingo: Extortion, Corruption... Delicious Buttcoinz
nubbins`: i don't really want -assets to have ops
nubbins`: next thing ya know, people start acting like sookybums and kicking people they don't like
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03520005 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: well kicked from ones wot
benkay: and if someone in the WoT likes the person, they get voice
benkay: it's purt darn permissive, nubbins`
benkay: there is now a hard technical prerequisite.
benkay: no more webchat users i imagine.
assbot: Voicing * for 30 minutes.
bounce: does it even ask gribble for the matching gribble nick?
benkay: well, nubbins` can !up himself, and then anyone can !down him.
assbot: Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: wait, you can only be !downed by the person who !upped you?
assbot: Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: so what if i make a script that up/downs nubbins every time assbot sets mose +v?
nubbins`: i type /timer 1 /msg assbot !up
assbot: Voicing truffles for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: if you !up yourself through pm noone can !down you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.037 = 0.111 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: if you are !upped from chan from someone else, everyon that is upped via pm can down you
bounce: not sure about the 30 mins. if there's a !down...?
kakobrekla: you can atm still up yourself on chan after you up yourself on pm, i will make disable this nao
benkay: if you up yourself in chan you'll get auto-downed as well 30 minutes later.
nubbins`: how in the world would you up yourself in the chan?
bounce: up in msg then up in chan
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: and this is supposed to cut down on cruft in the log?
benkay: volatility will never go away, nubbins`
kakobrekla: i dunno, todays will be pretty fucked nubbins` .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00007156 = 0.1431 BTC [-] {10}
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 6500777905.29 based on data since last change | 6694125249.86 based on data for last three days
benkay: Mats_cd03: you might consider that WoT entry...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 13325 @ 0.00006355 = 0.8468 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05848999 = 0.2924 BTC [+]
benkay: jurov: BingoBoingo 's nominally writing something up.
jurov: or kako feared it woul met same fate as mpex rfc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
benkay: are you actively working on it?
benkay: i just got blocked on building a vm so i could take a crack at it
jurov: ;;echo ;;rate assbot 1
BingoBoingo: benkay: Doing baseball writing stuff, so go for it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 175 @ 0.0075 = 1.3125 BTC [+]
benkay: so let me get this clear
benkay: and anyone on either list can !up other folks?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.058495 = 0.117 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: incorrect, i didn't get auto-voiced
benkay: no it's not auto, my mistake
benkay: (can voice themselves via gribble and then assbot)
bounce: ;;gettrust assbot benkay
kakobrekla: yes, if you are on the assbot list and you rate someone, that is Level 2 to assbot, so that user can up itself and up others
assbot: Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
bounce: the 30 mins is going to make people hand out ratings to stop having to !up so much
benkay: wot ratings are expensive, or should be.
bounce: up is annoying to have to do every 30 mins, and so either won't happen or cause a +1 to make the 30 mins limit go away
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.05969588 = 4.1787 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: if the content is worthwhile, more ups will come forth
benkay: if you're so free with your ratings, have at
bounce: it's also going to cause bunchteen extra lines in the log, for that matter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06121619 = 2.265 BTC [+] {4}
artifexd: I'm inclined to be more selective with my ratings due to them automatically giving voice to someone in here. Asshatery is annoying.
benkay: ratings are your identity.
bounce: worthy of a bet if it could easily be proved
bounce: not everyone gets that. and it certainly puts the pressure on.
benkay: game starts at maxlvl.
artifexd: It seems to me, that the first advice anyone ever gets in here is "Get yo ass in the wot noob". Or something to that effect. These new rules give some teeth to that advice and start a precedent. "You followed our first piece of advice to get in here. Follow the rest, too."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to make sure the new blood we get isn't all that new.
benkay: there's literally no point to hanging around here without being in the wot now if you want to participate in conversation.
benkay: listening's still free.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that this isn't where you first hang out if you just heard of btc last week
kakobrekla: <jurov> or kako feared it woul met same fate as mpex rfc? <- no, we do it drunk on production and silently revert if it doesnt work.
benkay: ;;later tell JorgePasada #bitcoin-assets just went wot-only for voice
BingoBoingo: truffles: No voice, whore self for voice to chat
benkay: yeah sharpie in pooper, truffles
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem? << say this is college, not junior high
assbot: Voicing truffles for 30 minutes.
artifexd: benkay I have noticed that your first response to someone new is a gettrust to see how they relate to you. Not an "ident", but a "gettrust". That has said much to me.
truffles: tell me when the experiment is over
benkay: BingoBoingo: you gotta share
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with being 15, but you don't belong in the college dorms. they like... drink there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 8978 @ 0.00006302 = 0.5658 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: we *all* need to see the sharpie in truffles
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> it also adds inconvenience, like if i am mobile << i guess you ask someone to v you ?
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> which leads me to a pro << the pro is that it's impersonal.
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> wait, you can only be !downed by the person who !upped you? << you can only be downed if a) you don't meet the wot condition or else b) if you upped yourself.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5489 @ 0.0000622 = 0.3414 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: NeoBBQ is down to four zeros after the decimal place.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00096229 = 2.8869 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 15479 @ 0.000062 = 0.9597 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves> if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem? << say this is college, not junior high /// fair enough
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i saw those guys play in '10
Mats_cd03: edward sharpe is super nostalgic for me
nubbins`: you can't bribe the future with nostalgia
Mats_cd03: i got my first bj in ninth grade listening to him singing at me
mircea_popescu: <artifexd> benkay I have noticed that your first response to someone new is a gettrust to see how they relate to you. Not an "ident", but a "gettrust". That has said much to me. << he's doing it right too.
HeySteve: hey I'm going to write on the baseball bet opportunity BingoBoingo highlighted
artifexd: kakobrekla: When did you start working on the auto-voice-by-wot feature?
HeySteve: never done any online betting though, so let me know if there's anything important I should mention
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: find out in a half hour i guess
Mats_cd03: oh wait the person im thinking of isnt edard sharpe
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves from what i've seen, there are many noobs that read the logs and came with their homwork done. those were rapidly accepted and are a pleasure to this day.
mircea_popescu: there are also the folks that just stumbled in. not only those were never accepted, but are kinda still derpy, even today.
Mats_cd03: nubbins`: what venue did you go to
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the part where you can make your voicing temporary is not so good, maybe
mircea_popescu: the part where you can make your voice vulnerable to !down however is great.
benkay: ;;echo !down Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu as said, it is already remove, just need to reboot the assbot
benkay: ;;echo !down Mats_cd03
artifexd: Is there anyone who stumbled in, did their homework in class, and is now accepted?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1151 @ 0.00071131 = 0.8187 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: although if you promise not to tell anyone, i didn't really do my homework
mircea_popescu: artifexd not afaik. the general reaction is to get butthurt over how dares there be homework.
assbot: Voicing fluffypony for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.063 = 1.008 BTC [+]
fluffypony: I'm of the opinion that one should only be butthurt if one has actual sharpies in ones butt
benkay: if there's anything else worth coming out of those so upped, people can up them again
bounce: IMO, yeah. can keep the default 30 mins but an optional duration would be good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.063 = 0.504 BTC [+]
bounce expects something like that'll be wanted before too long
assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
artifexd: A topic change would be useful.
fluffypony: artifexd: you mean like the actual channel topic? or you mean about what we're talking about?
peterl: no, maybe you upped me before I finished identing?
assbot: Voicing ozbot for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: /topic #bitcoin-assets msg mircea_popescu for voice
peterl: so if we don't get upped for 30 min then we lose our voice?
nubbins`: no need, i may start upping on join
nubbins`: you'll never silence the voice of the voiceless@!#$
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: <+pankkake> is Cyprus Mail reliable? /// dunno, it appears to be
nubbins`: how else you think people are gonna get their magazines full of neo ads
pankkake: some websites seems to take bitcointalk as a source which in turns takes the website as a source
nubbins`: smidge's quit msg is so cringeworthy
pankkake: kinda like wikipedia and newspapers
nubbins`: well i guess he should keep it
nubbins`: it's the irc equivalent of a "^ the man v the legend" t-shirts
pankkake: his quit has been quoted on his fund's thread. appropriate
nubbins`: i ever tell you guys my father in law is in a painting of the last supper?
assbot: Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: massive triptych over the doors of the church i attended from kindergarten through grade nine
benkay: kakobrekla: feel free to link to that from bitcoin-assets.com
benkay: yessir mr mircea_popescu sir
peterl: benkay: that seems to say you need to be linked to assbot through WOT, but it seems others can give you voice instead?
peterl: like, I don't think I have any connections in the WOT?
assbot: Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing mpexbot indefinitely.
nubbins`: several decades later, most of them are dead, in jail, bankrupt, etc
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
assbot: Voicing gribble indefinitely.
assbot: Voicing ozbot indefinitely.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06499999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing gribble indefinitely.
assbot: Voicing gribble indefinitely.
assbot: Can't do that, gribble.
pankkake: kakobrekla: bots can probably be autovoiced by chanserv, provided they identify
HeySteve: what is this about assbot and WoT?
bounce: ;;echo !up Apocalyptic
fluffypony: kakobrekla: is the 30 min counter fixed or does it reset on activity?
assbot: Voicing Apocalyptic for 30 minutes.
HeySteve: oh I missed the article. that's clear enough
benkay: kakobrekla there's also #bitcoin-otc-events, the bot could listen in there for auth events for people in this channel and auto-voice
peterl: how does it tell the difference between bots and other users?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06499999 = 3.25 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Chet Faker – Built on Glass | Hillydilly
benkay: anyone can down someone who's been upped, correct?
assbot: Can't do that, pankkake.
peterl: can you !down yourself?
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
ozbot: Embedded Security CTF
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: some people only understand what's said from experience you know ?
benkay: and we call those people...
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
ozbot: Police: no arrest in case involving Mizzou's DGB | FOX Sports on MSN
mod6: it might just be better to /kick guys who spam the channel
mircea_popescu: anyway yeah ideally only people uped in chan can be downed in chan
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3197 @ 0.00096195 = 3.0754 BTC [-]
benkay: I eagerly anticipate BingoBoingo and my first !up !down war over truffles
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
assbot: Can't do that, fluffypony.
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
ozbot: Vengaboys - Up & Down - YouTube
artifexd: Maybe up should check to see if that person already has voice. If so, nop
BingoBoingo: benkay: As long as we both get the butt it is cool
benkay: i am going to quash that dumbass with aggression at the slightest provocation, though.
benkay: s/aggression/prejudice
peterl: I feel like all this !up and !downing is adding cruft to the chan ... this will go away when people are used to the new toy?
benkay: will bitcoin volatility go down someday?
artifexd: Just working out the bugs right now.
benkay: time honored traderption for the assettes.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: code cowboy
BingoBoingo: I feel like we need a bot named Periscope now, but I can't imagine what it would do.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.66, Best ask: 422.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.43000, Last trade: 422.1, 24 hour volume: 52601.17322849, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 432.22, 24 hour vwap: 387.971082833
peterl: a better version of ozbot bait?
peterl: maybe views from colonoscopies? Or is that too far up the skirt?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: pop up and post porn when its upped
ozbot: » Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a wa
benkay: check the search dropdowns, thestringpuller
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin at $420 on or before 4/20
benkay: my first otc action was to get banned from #bitcoin-otc by gmaxwell
ozbot: OTC mircea_popescu
benkay: mircea_popescu's is even more amusing
benkay: KICK_BY: gmaxwell (Stop troublemaking.)
pankkake: apparently this doesn't count #bitcoin-otc-eu
benkay: explaining comedy's above my pay grade
ozbot: The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: rabelais something or other
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1816 @ 0.00069999 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: anyways, !up !down dynamics
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
fluffypony: KICK_BY: coingenuity (how about you listen to administrators instead of being an idiot.)
artifexd: benkay Shouldn't the person need to be in assbot's wot, not gribble's wot?
mircea_popescu: ima save thios for when he derps about my creative accounting and maffs.
kakobrekla: well, there are 3 ways of fixing the up down exploit, i dont like either one so i will go with the second. bbs.
artifexd: mircea_popescu: Yep. Sure does. Higher up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5195 @ 0.0009623 = 4.9991 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: deep doodoo. I kinda like that exploit. evidence of alcohol assisted coding, or simply not thinking the mechanism through... enough.
benkay: fixed thank you all for your copy editing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1355 @ 0.00096451 = 1.3069 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
benkay: mode changes not muted...
bounce: I don't think I'd like russia, or the usa, or china, or any earthly country for that matter, to annex the moon
ozbot: Twitter / rabite: Jews did #Heartbleed, by the way.
bounce: quick, build a spaceship, go there, and declare it its own country.
pankkake: the moon is going to be annexed by bitcoin
mod6: just put a giant solar array and ASICs on there.
Apocalyptic: <artifexd> benkay Shouldn't the person need to be in assbot's wot, not gribble's wot? // sounds reasonable
benkay: shit's been updated for at least two minutes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0009619 = 9.1381 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 42 @ 0.00785126 = 0.3298 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00096152 = 5.9133 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
benkay: so i'm looking at these "ultimate gpg guides", and they all say to create a new signing subkey with rsa signing only and then delete the secret key. how am i supposed to decrypt without the secret key? is there some other key for en/decryption that gets spun up at the same time?
artifexd: kakobrekla: Does the voice-by-wot thing take into account the rating provided or just that a rating was provided. If ThickAsThieves rates someone -10, does that still qualify to give them the self-voicing ability.
artifexd: What if mircea_popescu rates them -5 but ThickAsThieves rates them as 4? Does the balance count or does any positive rating win?
mike_c: kakobrekla: are you the right person to continue to harass about hooking up atc.blockr & x-bt?
benkay: <gmaxwell> I don't think you should use 'satoshi' it's a stupid name for the base units. << gmaxwell inserting himself into the conformal project
benkay: mircea_popescu: wouldja take a look at that
pankkake: benkay: you must be missing the part where the main signing key is saved on another device first
pankkake: basically the main signing key is only needed to sign your subkeys, and sign others' keys
benkay: pankkake: is that implicit in the key creation process?
pankkake: no, it's extremely not user friendly
mircea_popescu: benkay i don't think you should pay attention to gmaxwell
pankkake: also, a good tip would be to make your ~/.gnupg into a git repo, so that you don't fear making mistakes
mike_c: ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted :) x-bt is awesome, has steady volume (and the most for atc), and atc.blockr would be cooler with those price charts on the top.
pankkake: (but then if you delete the secret key, delete the .git or it will stay in the history)
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted << i like it how people always expect the worst.
mike_c: well, i just can't auth right now.
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
benkay: pankkake: mircea_popescu, any notion as to why debian et al. suggest i make a signing-only key in addition to my subkey that's configured for both signing and decryption?
pankkake: all my subkeys do signing xor decryption
benkay: thanks pankkake mircea_popescu
pankkake: when doing addkey, I can't have both, apparently. either sign only or encrypt only
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
pankkake: and if you want to experiment, you can patch gpg to generate keys >4K
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00096335 = 6.6471 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: hahahaha are you serious?
mircea_popescu: if someone is going to break your gpg encryption tehy will attack the symmetric key not the 4kb rsa
ozbot: [WTS] Extremely Secure GPG keys
pankkake: WOW your friends! AMAZE your boss! at least that is right, >4K keys are a good conversation starter
assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
pankkake: that reminds me, I need to generate a new SSH key, too…
[\]: but that doesn't do me long term
[\]: script chokes on the [\\\] for the rating
[\]: escaping special characters and all
benkay: depths of american culture
benkay: stack shit to the ceiling
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
artifexd: It looks like up doesn't reset the timer.
artifexd: Err... nevermind. It looks like it does.
joecool: well if they didn't write the stupid wrapper on malloc this would have been a non-issue as a crash would occur on most platforms
benkay: oh hey there's a countdown timer right on google these days
joecool: instead of a memory grab bag
joecool: BingoBoingo: i wish OTC would bring it back fulltime
BingoBoingo: joecool: Nah, not much help when the place is moderated by trolls
joecool: coingenuity and [\\\] seem to be the only ones there who go hard on the trolling
bounce was wondering about how one got ops there
joecool: bounce: OTC? nobody knows, i remember when TLOT appeared one day as a staffer
[\]: I troll yet you asked me about how to get +m in here
bounce: as in, likely obtained with a box of cereal or something
joecool: [\\\]: but i thought you knew that and accepted that fact
[\]: I don't troll much anymore.
[\]: I'm not on the -otc access list
bounce: oh right. that... person.
[\]: I'm on many of the others though.
BingoBoingo: gmaxwell has to be a troll, and it is a miracle coingenuity can be op in a commerce channel
[\]: akstunt600, the ops decided to troll the trolls
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 786 @ 0.00313681 = 2.4655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06053691 = 0.3027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0009624 = 6.7368 BTC [-]
Anduck: i don't think -otc needs +m =P
Anduck: it's good as it is now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30176 @ 0.00096068 = 28.9895 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00095892 = 3.1664 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 252 @ 0.00052619 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06499999 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00096576 = 14.5347 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: downsides: several steps to talk in -assets now
benkay: still, that entails a /query Apocalyptic "hey bud up me plz"
kakobrekla: no idea if it works, it prolly should, mostly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00096886 = 19.571 BTC [+]
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
assbot: Can't do that, mike_c.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4998 @ 0.00096385 = 4.8173 BTC [-]
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: oh wait gribble's pissed at me for other reasons
benkay: well, gribble being pissed at me is a true thing anyways.