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mircea_popescu: dexX7 ouch.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "To understand this by repeating this, only 20 members have posted on the Big Rock Candy Foundation 's forum in the last six months."
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of them were me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00579955 = 0.348 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1214 @ 0.00012673 = 0.1539 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 572 @ 0.00080963 = 0.4631 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0477 = 0.2862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05498993 = 0.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23981 @ 0.00099374 = 23.8309 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04771249 = 0.3817 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03372473 = 0.4047 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu I suspect they must have a seekrit forum, because You have more socks than that everywhere.
thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum
thestringpuller: only the cool kids are allowed to read and post
decimation: "This issue did not affect the versions of openssl as shipped with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.4 and earlier. This issue does affect Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5, Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Hypervisor 6.5, and Red Hat Storage 2.1, which provided openssl 1.0.1e."
decimation: woe to those who upgrade
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['200 @ 0.00097812', '1000 @ 0.00096001', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8926 @ 0.00098989', '3450 @ 0.00099914', '22218 @ 0.0009995', '16000 @ 0.0010045', '161792 @ 0.00101']
TestingUnoDosTre: .d
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1481 blocks | Estimated Change: 1.4776% in 10d 2h 58m 7s
zacm: The SEC has become “an agency that polices the broken windows on the street level and rarely goes to the penthouse floors,” Kidney said, according to a copy of his remarks obtained by Bloomberg News.
zacm: Kidney said his superiors were more focused on getting high-paying jobs after their government service than on bringing difficult cases. The agency’s penalties, Kidney said, have become “at most a tollbooth on the bankster turnpike.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00097812 = 0.1956 BTC [-]
zacm: http://bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-08/sec-goldman-lawyer-says-agency-too-timid-on-wall-street-misdeeds.html
ozbot: SEC Goldman Lawyer Says Agency Too Timid on Wall Street Misdeeds - Bloomberg
zacm: ra, ra, there's your "regulation"
decimation: This is what happens when the USG pays peanuts for 'talent'
TestingUnoDosTre: wow
TestingUnoDosTre: easy explanation deicimation
decimation: if you could double your income or better, which side of the fence would you play?
TestingUnoDosTre: never getting a job at the SEC
nubbins`: i knew a guy named kidney
nubbins`: his wife was a kidney specialist
nubbins`: no joke
decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58145351 = 9.8847 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-] {2}
zacm: what?! Don't Ivy League graduates at the top of their class look forward to that nice, lucrative SEC position?
zacm: lol
TestingUnoDosTre: Thats the thing, they would never go to the SEC in the first place
zacm: better off having the dumber ones there anyway
decimation: and that explains the workings of the USG
zacm: more intelligent doesn't imply more benevolent
TestingUnoDosTre: It's not like the USG can afford, or even needs to pay a high salary
decimation: more intelligent implies more competent
TestingUnoDosTre: think of positions like Senator , which makes like $175k or something.
TestingUnoDosTre: There are MANY other perks
zacm: competent to follow the incentives, like getting through the revolving door to a higher paying job, making deals along the way to do so
TestingUnoDosTre: ok I acn't argue with that
decimation: even ants follow incentives
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00097812 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0058 = 0.174 BTC [+]
benkay: http://end-o.tumblr.com/post/80913546146
ozbot: STEALTH
benkay: or: http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562
asciilifeform: wtf is that
punkman: how do you even do that
benkay: amazing cops
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05499195 = 0.5499 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's a bigger issue than one particular C turd
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about anything that involves a book-length standard, esp. with the familiar committees, is an inevitable turd.
BingoBoingo: How is clisp's webserver on the SSL stuff
asciilifeform: clisp as in 'common lisp' or the particular implementation thereof called 'clisp' ?
asciilifeform: they're rather different things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01499918 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The particular implementation
asciilifeform: never used it.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I have yet to play with SBCL
asciilifeform: 'clisp' is mostly used by people running 'exotica' (machines for which there is no 'sbcl')
asciilifeform: it is dog-slow - exactly what unfortunates who went to uni for 'comp sci' expect a lisp to be like.
BingoBoingo: I see. It's also the implementation "Land of Lisp" supposes for most of its exercises
asciilifeform: most web crap in common lisp uses 'CL+SSL', an FFI wrapper of traditional openssl.
asciilifeform: so they're as hosed as everyone
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: Seems the hardware aspects of Loper are only the beginnings of the mess
asciilifeform: people have this very special facial expression they make when they finally understand what i've been arguing for
asciilifeform: (tldr - pretend the last 40 years, other than semiconductor chemistry, never happened)
BingoBoingo: But they happened because it is easy to "circle the wagons around the cesspool buying time to fish out another turd for sale"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00579999 = 0.116 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: The state of the art from 1980 on 2004 semiconductors would be a hell of a thing to behold
ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XxB03SfGbU
ozbot: Mike Hearn on Coming Bitcoin Protocol Updates - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: " Jered Kenna interviewed Bitcoin core developer Mike Hearn about BitcoinJ, the Tor network, and what developments are coming to the Bitcoin protocol. Mike explains why BitcoinJ will be using the Tor network for greater privacy and security."
ThickAsThieves: pass everything through NSA plz!
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And this is why I've never upgraded Multibit beyond version 0.5.11
asciilifeform: they should just build a surrender pit for idiots to jump in.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.054999 = 0.22 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: where they get reprocessed into biodiesel.
ThickAsThieves: i was speaking with a former military tech at the bar a few weeks ago and he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA/Tor
BingoBoingo: Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher
ThickAsThieves: he seemed pretty proud of the notion that most nodes were USG
asciilifeform: wait for... the new, seekuur!1! replacement for tor.
asciilifeform: youheardithere1st (tm)
ThickAsThieves: now he works repo for a bank
ThickAsThieves: telling me how they use pizza delivery data to catch people live n shit
BingoBoingo: I've always assumed actuall turrorists would run their own mini-Tors on botnets they control
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: you can repossess a pizza !?
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: i forget his method
ThickAsThieves: just creepy shit
ThickAsThieves: most creepy was his pride
ThickAsThieves: said stuff like "you dont use tor unless youre doing something illegal"
Duffer1: why won't you let me cavity search you if you're not doing anything illegal
thestringpuller: lol Duffer1
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Maybe when multiple times a day cavity searching gets normalized, some of the searchers will send the search with notes reading things like " Cavity searched earlier, sphincter torn, proceed with caution"
BingoBoingo: The implications of this are probably the most interesting of anything Coindesk has ever posted on which falls into their shere of having an influence on http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Is x-bt not heartbleeding?
BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/
BingoBoingo: OH SHIT ULTIMATE WARRIOR IS DEAD
asciilifeform: ...he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA... most creepy was his pride << orwell had a pretty good piece on this
asciilifeform: http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/chase/english/e_bland
ozbot: George Orwell: Raffles and Miss Blandish
BingoBoingo: http://www.wwe.com/inside/ultimate-warrior-passes-away-26223975
ozbot: Ultimate Warrior passes away | WWE.com
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the basic myth of the Western world is Jack the Giant-killer, but to be brought up to date this should be renamed Jack the Dwarf-killer...'
mod6: < BingoBoingo> Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher << +1
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm not sure if you recognized fluffypony from a few hours ago but that's the same handle as the forum dood you pwned in "Why finance shouldn't be open to your average Schmoe." I recognized the name because i linked to that piece earlier today after someone tweeted about some BTCJam "hack." One fluffypony asked for coins for his kitchen, one for his rig frames…
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Wait, there's a Trilema about that maybe
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Find it.
bitcoinpete: http://t.co/eLQt5VxLxQ
ozbot: Why finance shouldn’t be open to your average Schmoe pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
bitcoinpete: ?
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: And as you do that say a lament to Ultimate Warrior's passing
BingoBoingo: Ah, fucking freenode fixing their SSL...
BingoBoingo: Slow all day
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo ripwweuw
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Is that the Hashtag?
bitcoinpete: it is now
bitcoinpete: policy on many a topic are set here
bitcoinpete: not necessarily by me, however
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/to-carry-on-what-another-poster-had-originally-started-1561168122
ozbot: Jim Hellwig, Known As The Ultimate Warrior, Reportedly Dead
BingoBoingo: I can only assume the NSOMGWTFBBQ offed him to distract from BleedHeart
bitcoinpete: that charlie lee dood is turning out to be a more fucktarded shill than i originally gave him credit for
bitcoinpete: and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Well, this is Litecoin proposing Doge merged mine and Doge telling litecoin stfu
BingoBoingo: Much as in the past Tenebrix or Fairbrix or shitbrix told Litecoin to stfu
BingoBoingo: This thing is remarkable in how much of a non-story it is... Even for Coindesk
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: coindesk is the morning paper for navel-gazers, this is the morning paper for star-gazers
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-new-morning-paper/
ozbot: The New Morning Paper | When Bitcoin Met Pete
BingoBoingo: Doge miners largely would prolly be cool with merged mining but lack the initiative to hardfork to do it in defiance of their masters. Litecoin minzors ave been screaming hardfork for some time.
bitcoinpete: any idea why litecoin miners wanna fork? first i've heard of it
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: That is why it is remarkable CoinDesk had the editorial insight to bring this up.
BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not quite. ltc is the botnet aficionado's coin.
asciilifeform: at least, traditionally
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is now.
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: thx for the candy mountain link btw :)0
BingoBoingo: For some time before it was GamerPC coin it was secret GPU mined coin
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Welcome.
BingoBoingo: Much as for some time Bitcoin GPU mining was an NVIDIA thing
BingoBoingo: (three weeks?)
BingoBoingo: Oh, bitcoinpete: http://trilema.com/2012/big-rock-candy-mountain/
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: ah ty.
BingoBoingo: Those are the original lyrics
BingoBoingo: But original since 100+ years ago
bitcoinpete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
ozbot: The Big Rock Candy Mountain - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Does anyone else want to see MP do youth outreach or substitute teaching in East St Louis after http://trilema.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/
bitcoinpete: youf ootreech
BingoBoingo: Would make a great reality show
bitcoinpete: if his teachings of romanians about land is any indication, i think it'd be a hit
bitcoinpete: found this yesterday: http://vimeo.com/7125141
BingoBoingo: http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/15738319521/mr-cody-lemme-borrow-them-monoculars-i-think-i-see
ozbot: Ghetto Hikes | "Mr. Cody, lemme borrow them monoculars, I think I see a pack of bald eagles."
BingoBoingo: I've actually had one of those assholes shit on my car
bitcoinpete: "one of those?"
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Eagle.
bitcoinpete: i was hoping one of the urban kids (of all races)
BingoBoingo: Driving IL-13 by the Big muddy river and softball sized glob of the worst smelling birdshit I had smelled in my life landed on the Windshield
BingoBoingo: Nearest Carwash was in Pickneyville.
BingoBoingo: Eagles are basically fucking sky rats
Mats_cd03: id shit on your windshield
bitcoinpete: I can't stop loling at "deshawns ingredients bag" http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/17274822057/imma-sneak-one-dem-tadpoles-in-deshawns-ingredients
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You wouldn't be the first land bound critter to either
Mats_cd03: i havent touched land in five years
Mats_cd03: i move around exclusively on the back of slaves and in rickshaws
bitcoinpete: mats-haraja
Mats_cd03: the dongraja
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: https://github.com/isislab/Fentanyl useful
Mats_cd03: (IDApython patching script)
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: neato.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: things such as these are a good part of my day job.
Mats_cd03: it improves my workflow substantially
Mats_cd03: send a bitcoin tip to the maintainer if its useful in the future
Mats_cd03: (on that subject, is there a github tipbot like there is one for reddit?)
Mats_cd03: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/BitHub
Mats_cd03: lol 25.89USD
Mats_cd03: fentanyl has saved me hours of work already; patching by hand is tricky, and doubly so on archs i'm unfamiliar with
tg2: anybody have compiler expertise?
tg2: like strong understanding of assembly
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: wow
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I didn't even know I was the subject of a blog post
fluffypony: TIL
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: haha you're internet famous
fluffypony: yeah!
fluffypony: I ended up closing that thread when it was clear it was going nowhere
fluffypony: it seemed like a good idea at the time
fluffypony: but that was ages ago - we ended up making the changes anyway using our access bond
fluffypony: and sold that property 6 months ago when we moved down the coast
bitcoinpete: there you go
fluffypony: also the loan was Dollar-linked, I would never have asked for a BTC loan repayable in the equivalent BTC
fluffypony: that would've been ludicruous
fluffypony: spelling fail
fluffypony: s/ludicruous/ludicrous
bitcoinpete: hey i had a friend who wanted to borrow and repay in btc
bitcoinpete: totally nuts
bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
fluffypony: that is crazy
ozbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete
fluffypony: also I'm in South Africa - the comparisons with the US are nuts, getting a loan here is a vastly different story and at a vastly different interest rate
bitcoinpete: how so?
bitcoinpete: stricter banks?
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: there were laws passed due to irresponsible lending
fluffypony: then they tightened EVERYTHING
fluffypony: now they've just been nailed again for irresponsible lending
bitcoinpete: the commonwealth countries are a bit tighter it seems
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191687.msg1988021#msg1988021
ozbot: BTCJam Loan (Home Improvement) - 200 BTC Principle, Re-payable over 6 Months
fluffypony: I mention some of the calculaitons
bitcoinpete: gotta keep things stable-ish so they can haul natural resources out consistently
fluffypony: if we'd gotten a loan
fluffypony: the only thing I got wrong in that thread was the interest rate of drawing it out the access bona
fluffypony: *bond
fluffypony: on that property it was bad, but on one of my other properties that is nearly paid off and just being "topped up" the impact wasn't bad at all
bitcoinpete: a full year ago… how long it's been
fluffypony: yeah I know
Mats_cd03: what a dangerous hedge, wouldn't you say, in hindsight?
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: well yes and no
fluffypony: as a dollar-linked loan I would have come out better than borrowing from a financial institution
fluffypony: the lenders would've come out worse because BTC skyrocketed
bitcoinpete: waddyaknow, that guy on twitter who lost his coins on btcjam today because of the openssl "hack" has the coins "restored from their own pockets." https://twitter.com/Vtechp/status/453756698587435008
bitcoinpete: s/has/had
artifexd: bitcoinpete I'm glad to see you moved the nickserv stuff out of the footnotes and into the post proper in your wot post.
bitcoinpete: artifexd: yup, thx for the tip ;)
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Prolly best to not refer to my GPG guide as a COMPLETE Wot thing until I finish my IRC guide, which should happen in the next two days
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: the weather's too nice for me to change it and change it back in 48 hours :D
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Well on my end it depends on weather as well
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo ok so i found two examples of my calling it "handy," where do you see "complete?"
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Not on ur blog so much as at times in IRC it seems that complete is occasionally implied
bitcoinpete: a ok
fluffypony: ok right, breakfast time, bbiab
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Left to cover is IRC capable software, useful feature, unfeatures to delete, tec
BingoBoingo: Or techcetera
bitcoinpete: looking forward to that
BingoBoingo: http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/google.shtml
ozbot: thesitewizard.com: Tips on Improving Your Google Search Engine Ranking (Revisited)
BingoBoingo: Sounds about right
cazalla: bitcoinpete: you make me feel less stupid regarding the pronunciation of MP's name
bitcoinpete: cazalla: lol glad to be of assistance. having romanian friends is a useful window into that world.
cazalla: oh i knew before your article, glad to know i wasn't the only one
bitcoinpete: it's not intuitive for anglos, even francos or españos
cazalla: i think i said before but you were not on irc - i enjoy your writing, it's an easier read for me compared to trilema, that's not a dig though more a reflection of me dropping out of high school
bitcoinpete: cazalla: well tyvm, i very much appreciate that :D
bitcoinpete: trilema hurt my head on-and-off for nearly a year. then it hit me like a shit-ton of bricks
bitcoinpete: glad to see wbmp finding a few early fans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00558001 = 0.2065 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: yeah, i typically google the definition of a few words, i can usually put it together but some of the writing on trilema just goes over my head
cazalla: still, learning without feeling like it's an effort is a good thing for me
BingoBoingo: At least Trilema isn't Kant
Mats_cd03: fluffypony: so you had a btc float equivalent to the size of the loan?
Mats_cd03: (that is, twice the size of the loan)
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: i still need to get to kant. on burke, goethe, machiavelli and beaudelaire now
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Start with Machiavelli and then Goethe
Mats_cd03: nvm i didnt read the entire thread
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: just finished the prince 1.5 times through, read of few of goethe's literary essays but that's about it
BingoBoingo: Well there are the discourses on Titus Levy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.054999 = 0.165 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: art of war too, i suppose
bitcoinpete: time for bed, another day of reading logs and other delights tomorrow
BingoBoingo: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6163197/hero-turtle-rescues-upside-down-turtle
ozbot: Hero Turtle Rescues Upside-Down Turtle - CollegeHumor Video
BingoBoingo: http://xkcd.com/1353/
ozbot: xkcd: Heartbleed
BingoBoingo: I wonder how many of these connects/disconnects are attempts at heartbleed probing
Diablo-D3: I think hes just fucking with his irc client
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: Well, it has been different people
BingoBoingo: I'm just loving this delicious Rye on Rye
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1260 @ 0.00014999 = 0.189 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Rye bread chips dipped in Rye Beer > Delicious
keonne: benkay: i dont run blockchain.info but I do work there
keonne: truffles: drinking coffee is the least bad thing I do, anyway prove that it is bad for me.
keonne: thestringpuller: i literally just registered in WOT trying to avoid mircea calling me stupid noob :P
jurov: keonne: not a good idea to ask proofs from these paleo zealots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20239 @ 0.00096724 = 19.576 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: keonne: jurov: So many cavemen
keonne: it was a rhetorical request anyhow
keonne: going to smoke and get some coffee. somewhere truffles is crying for my soul .
BingoBoingo: Smoking kicks ass
keonne: agreed
keonne: Makes you look cool as well
keonne: which is extra important for a nerd like me
BingoBoingo: Smoking while drinking coffee with Irish cream is the best.
keonne: mircea_popescu: I didnt realize there was a correlation between dyslexics and esperanto. Maybe something about the rigid structure that appeals. IDK, thats cool though.
keonne: Nothing like fucking a fat chick while blasting Joy Division anyway
keonne: (sorry im responding to yesterdays messages, in case you all think ive gone slightly mad)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58000004 = 5.8 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: keonne: No, this is how IRC works ideally. You answer Yesterday's messages as you find them. IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is
jurov: nah, happens to sane people too
BingoBoingo: I kind of wonder if Esperanto really has any advantages over... I dunno Spanish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00096724 = 66.2559 BTC [-]
keonne: BingoBoingo: There are no advantages to learning Esperanto
keonne: however, some studies have been done, that suggest, those who learn esperanto first find it easier to learn other languages later
BingoBoingo: Studies show lots of things
keonne: indeed
BingoBoingo: Anyone know a good way to crush a boil real fast?
keonne: I learned it because the idea of a constructed language intrigued me
keonne: I don't think you're supposed to crush boils
BingoBoingo: keonne: Crush as in defeat.
keonne: oh okay
keonne: no idea, salicylic acid maybe?
BingoBoingo: Too deep, Naproxen generally handles the inflamation on this one. but for a few years this has been a perenial seasonal annoyance.
keonne: mirecea_popescu: I don't know the details precisely, If you want I can ask someone for you. I'm not in a very technical position, and my understanding of these things doesn't go very deep
jurov: keonee you can learn elvish then, too :)
BingoBoingo: keonne: Do you use a blockchain.info wallet yourself?
jurov: Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo
numerisTrade: BingoBoingo: i might be albe to help, if you explain to me what do you mean by 'boil'
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Recurring abscess with sinus in a thick fatty piece of skin
BingoBoingo: jurov: Drunk machine translations fail me in this case
numerisTrade: BingoBoingo: more simple english, please?
jurov: lol BingoBoingo... add tolkien - silmarillion to your queries
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Can't get much more simple without losing precision
numerisTrade: ok, give me a while, then
BingoBoingo: jurov: I enjoy pussy too much to consider adding those terms
jurov: BingoBoingo: applying heated kitchen salt in linen bag *may* help
BingoBoingo: Ah
jurov: ofc not too close if it's very hot :)
BingoBoingo: I'm leaning kinda more towards complete excision.
BingoBoingo: Less saline more solution and more sowing the fields with salt
numerisTrade: BingoBoingo: probably only surgical drain will help
jurov: yes if it's developed... otherwise antibiotic ointment.. but better ask doctor in any case
keonne: BingoBoingo: I do
mircea_popescu: hey all
keonne: hello mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: keonne: Have you considered alternatives
numerisTrade: hey mircea_popescu
keonne: BingoBoingo: I keep my spending BTC in blockchain wallet, the rest is on a paper wallet printed at home with a piper wallet
BingoBoingo: keonne: You know historically why retirement funds were separated from their sponsoring companies, right?
keonne: I use blockchain.info wallet to just keep track of the paper wallets
keonne: BingoBoingo: I see no reason not to use blockchain.info for day to day spending
keonne: wait
keonne: that sentence sucked
keonne: but you get the gist
BingoBoingo: keonne: Well local software wallets can handle day to day spending without much syncing burden
keonne: i'm open to alternative suggestions
keonne: BingoBoingo: on my android phone?
BingoBoingo: Multibit 0.5.11, but no later
BingoBoingo: keonne: Root it?
keonne: it is rooted
numerisTrade: what about Electrum?
BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Also not a bad choice
keonne: most of my day to day spending is done in actual shops, so having my spending wallet mobile is pretty important to me
mircea_popescu: also in the news, matonis "definitely not a stooge", as per matonis.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98939
keonne: besides that I am quite happy keeping my BTC on paper wallet for the time being
ozbot: The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d
keonne: lol mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: keonne they don't make you eat own dogfood at bi-wallet ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Matonis is stooge in the original sense, where a stooge is incapable of knowing they are.
keonne: lol no they do not
keonne: BingoBoingo: i dont know about that
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: much unknowns of many flavours in this swamp we live in
mircea_popescu: keonne so how did the correct signature but bad content thing work earlier ?
keonne: no one at bc.i has ever asked what wallet I use. Tehy ask for an address at the end of the month to send me money, and thats all
mircea_popescu: you mean btc. which as we've meanwhile established, isn't money :D
keonne: mircea_popescu: regarding the database thing a couple weeks ago?
keonne: right of course
mircea_popescu: yes.
keonne: unless mr texas gets his way
mircea_popescu: it got a few people, myself included, raising eyebrows
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete apparently http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98938
gribble: The operation succeeded.
keonne: honestly mircea_popescu i have no idea, like i said I am not very technical, and those who are weren't very communicative with us about what actually happened
keonne: i know there is an internal review going on
keonne: afaik no funds were lost EXCEPT on sharedcoin
keonne: and we repaid all those
keonne: I wish I could be of more use
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't stahp reading your negro speak article
keonne: lol these reddit comments
keonne: "No this blogger is known for being a bigot psychopath
keonne: "
mircea_popescu: keonne point is : if block signatures and block contents aren't checked against each other, your design is incredibly weak.
mircea_popescu: dja understand what i mean ? it's not just some random attack, it's any and all attacks this creates undue vulenrability to.
BingoBoingo: ^^
mircea_popescu: so talk to whoever's in charge of doing these things there, and have him give you something that's both a) a good answer and b) that they can make public.
keonne: yes that does sound concerning
mircea_popescu: because this isn't something one shrugs off
BingoBoingo: Is piuk still at Blockchain.info?
keonne: yes
keonne: mircea_popescu: will do
bounce: apropos bank accounts, plenty places it's not a privilege since the government pretty much if not outright requires everyone to receive the bezzle through one of those. easier on the tax man, see.
mircea_popescu: bounce who said a bank account is a privilege lol
bounce: s/tax /tax/
BingoBoingo: bounce: Oh, but the next generation of bezzel includes an alternative
bounce: what, debt bondage cards?
mircea_popescu: you know, i was kinda rooting for the tramp stamp to become rfid govt id.
mircea_popescu: you wanna pay something just buttpress the cashier
keonne: BingoBoingo: that article (negro speak) is brilliant
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo keonne i must admit tho, it's two hours' work on my part and years on the part of mr cody, the folklorist that collected my base material.
keonne: mircea_popescu: rfid tramp stamp, fake japanese characters and all
BingoBoingo: bounce: the many flavors of prepaid debit cards are the thought
mircea_popescu: well yours can just say "keonne", it's weird enough
keonne: yes I saw it when someone posted it in here... punkman maybe
fluffypony: keonne: I would stay away from MultiBit if you're non-technical; Electrum is deterministic so you backup your wallet by writing down or memorising 12 words, much easier
mircea_popescu: but yeah, the jims and johns of this world will need cuneiform or w/e
bounce: peon cards. places like estonia and iceland are pretty close, others are going there with the "unified" gov't id card; matter of time before banking cards move into it. nobody seems to care that the gov't then owns your entire identity yet that much more, either.
keonne: fluffypony: im technical enough not to be an idiot
keonne: not technical enough to give mircea_popescu an answer
mircea_popescu: he's a semi-tractor-technical.
keonne: quite, lol
fluffypony: keonne: Sure - just pointing it out:) Also, there seems to be an issue with multiple reports of MultiBit generating change addresses but not saving the privkey to the wallet, easy way to lose money
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know an East StL math teacher that lost half a BTC of mine last year. In short time you can learn a new language.
mircea_popescu: lol
keonne: fluffypony: yeah i read about that, pretty shitty, i don't know that multibit ahs even acknowledged that issue
bounce: half-track technical would be more interesting
BingoBoingo: keonne fluffypony This is why I specify 0.5.11 or earlier recommending Multibit
fluffypony: keonne: Yeah that's the most worrying part. I know that reproducing the issue is hard, but they have a vested interest in figuring it out
keonne: BingoBoingo: i assumed as much
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: Point
mircea_popescu: tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."
mircea_popescu: this is why bitcoin will rule all fiat : those people can't even keep up with the obvious conspiraci theories.
keonne: mircea_popescu: is this your real name?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
keonne: It is a common name in Romania?
mircea_popescu: well the surname is.
BingoBoingo: Firstname is too, the combination isn't too common though
mircea_popescu: the first name isn't quite keonne, but it's a sort of hm.
mircea_popescu: kinda rare.
keonne: When I was 14, I got scammed so hard, trying to buy 100 Motorolla RAZRs from a Mircea Popescu in Romania
mircea_popescu: nowai ?
keonne: for real
mircea_popescu: well that may have not been *his* real name
BingoBoingo: Maybe was the artist?
mircea_popescu: haha the artist is a kid, like 25 or w/e
mircea_popescu: keonne how long ago is being 14 ?
keonne: 11 years
keonne: Maybe I was 15
keonne: I dont remember, but the RAZR was the hottest phone on the market
keonne: And I sold the phones on to people, before I even had them, ended up in some shit, lol...
mircea_popescu: keonne actually, here's a story followed by fun trick :
mircea_popescu: romania uses a bacalaureat thing, you're not an adult until you pass this exam,. coupla years ago the romanian ed ministry refused (cause inept) to publish the list of results online. and so some people hacked their db and i published the results.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume the artist named you is older than that
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com rezultate la bacalaureat sesiunea
gribble: Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Mures - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-mures>; Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Teleorman ...: <http://trilema.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-teleorman>; Iulie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: so now, theres a list of about 200k kids ?
mircea_popescu: anyone feeling like building a db of name frequency in romania can simply wget and grep and awk that.
keonne: oh wow cool
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: btw I found my blog post today, didn't even realise I was internet famous:) I hope the comment cleared up that I wasn't being entirely retarded at the time!
fluffypony: (Found as it was mentioned her last night when I was asleep)
fluffypony: Here
mircea_popescu: i didn't get to read it yet, because well... i got this endless list of reports to look through yet.
keonne: I suck a grep
keonne: but I could throw together a quick python script probably
fluffypony: Mmmmmm python
keonne: Its okay though. I appreciated that possibly fake mircea popescu - he taught me a good lesson
fluffypony: Every time I try do anything mildly interesting in python I do it in the least pythonic way possible
keonne: at an early age
keonne: mostly, not to use western union for anything ever
mircea_popescu: haha. how much was a motorola razr in the 2000s ?
keonne: I was selling them for 550 USD
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, i suspect you're right. there may be two of them, an old sculptor guy and a teeny pictor.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno the youngun
keonne: I bought 10 of them from Mr. Popescu for around that price
mircea_popescu: http://www.portfolios.ro/popescu
ozbot: Mircea Popescu - artist vizual - Timisoara, Romania
keonne: well, by bought, i mean sent him money via western union
fluffypony: keonne: Ouch
keonne: I bet I still have all the emails
mircea_popescu: lol what are you, from the btctalk forum ?
keonne: lol like i said, a good lesson early on
fluffypony: The internet was a different place then, everyone trusted each other with no real basis for it
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you're thinking the 90s.
mircea_popescu: that's a different time.
keonne: the 00's i think were the exact opposite
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
keonne: it wasnt about me trusting this dude
keonne: it was me trusting Western Union, and not understanding WTF i was doing
mircea_popescu: ha. sounds exactly by the book.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Ah I thought this was the 90s
keonne: yes, by the book, hope he ate well, compliments of the stupid american
fluffypony: Brain fail
mircea_popescu: he probably paid some debts, got a coupla girls for a long weekend and that was it.
keonne: good
mircea_popescu: or maybe he saved it and bought lehman stock.
keonne: haha
mircea_popescu: i knew a guy like this, was hysterical. had a bookie biz, old skinny guy, megasmoker, huge glasses
keonne: yup i still have the emails
mircea_popescu: he meticulously avoided mixing "earned" moneys with "bezzled" moneys
keonne: yeah it was through alibaba haha
mircea_popescu: because he believed the latter is much more likely to "go" to similar "business"
mircea_popescu: so whenbever he was putting dough into something dubious he really wanted to succeed, he used the former pile for it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.055 = 0.165 BTC [+]
keonne: very smart
mircea_popescu: beyond nutty.
BingoBoingo: keonne: Actually the opposite
keonne: how?
keonne: what did I miss
mircea_popescu: well perhaps so far gone beyond nutty it wraps back again into smart, who knows.
BingoBoingo: keonne: The defintion of want and the definition of bezzle
mircea_popescu: keonne for one thing, his entire operation was fully illegal from all povs.
mircea_popescu: what "earned".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}
keonne: maybe I just liked him outright because he was a megasmoker
keonne: and a bookie
bounce: now I can't help but wonder if your (nickserv/on connect) passwords aren't vulnerable even if /you/ don't connect via ssl to freenode. since loaded library, probably.
BingoBoingo: keonne: Good bookies are some of the slickest scammzors
BingoBoingo: bounce: Last I checked freenode was still up.down dating server by server
keonne: BingoBoingo: no doubt
fluffypony: bounce: you could possibly only see people identifying on SSL connections if the SSL/non-SSL memory pools don't overlap
fluffypony: In testing against nginx I only ever saw https request data
fluffypony: Never http requests
fluffypony: Apache/lighty may be different
keonne: Address: Gavana 3
keonne: City: Pitesti
keonne: Zip Code: 0300
keonne: Country: Romania
mircea_popescu: keonne they patched the servers yest ish
fluffypony: Send mircea_popescu to break his legs?
fluffypony: :-P
keonne: lol
BingoBoingo: keonne: MP is Timisoara
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum<< once this chan goes +m it'll pretty much be it i guess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00096662 = 28.5153 BTC [-] {3}
keonne: lmao
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: keonne so pastebin teh emails, we have a lol.
fluffypony: I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m
mircea_popescu: or w/e, got a blog ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony #trilema is +m
mircea_popescu: vely sirent.
BingoBoingo: Iremember introducing myself with the IRL name to MP and seeing the hit on my IRL name site from timosoara in minutes
keonne: no blog
fluffypony: Brb
Apocalyptic: <fluffypony> I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m // it was back in the days
mircea_popescu: it was yes.
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: You handled heartbleed yet?
mircea_popescu: ;;voice
gribble: Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-assets,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
mircea_popescu: stuff's still implemented too.
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, yes sir, as far as updatings the libs, I'm waiting for the new cert
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Good, I need to keep ATC from spiraling out of control
mircea_popescu: they at 0 yet ?
Apocalyptic: far from it
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic don't you just love this cert business as implemented.
mircea_popescu: fucking burn them down.
Apocalyptic: ^
Apocalyptic: i have a plan to switch to a full mpex-like model
keonne: ;;gpg eauth keonne
gribble: Request successful for user keonne, hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/7EECABD58314C40C
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic at the very least as an interim install a gpg-based method for peole to verify your certs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ATC is still between 0 and 135 Satoshis
BingoBoingo: * 100 and 135 satoshis
bounce: (repaste) http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2014-04/0359.html
keonne: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3ad047e67d7e696a316b00739955313d04c828ce88b9f8ae7ca87ca1
gribble: You are now authenticated for user keonne with key 7EECABD58314C40C
mircea_popescu: bounce indeed.
mircea_popescu: bounce dumped it on twitter. you got a handle there ?
Apocalyptic: nice link bounce
mircea_popescu: zacm yeah they're getting murdered atm.
BingoBoingo: Theo could use a support harem
mircea_popescu: "decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army" << forget goldman. their alleged senior counsel fared very poorly when compared to mpex' lawyers.
keonne: haha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform punkman that is a car that was sideswiped into a pole by a large truck.
BingoBoingo: So. In 10 years MP buys reddit and maps their urls onto DTNG pr0ns?
mircea_popescu: driver mostly innocent if at all present (unlikely)
keonne: is there a pic?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i would hope to not be as senile as ted turner was in 10 years.
mircea_popescu: keonne http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562
keonne: ooof
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ted Turner did those things for what he imagined was a reason. I imagine you would have a better reason, butthurt.
mircea_popescu: haha hardly.
BingoBoingo: I mean Digg sold for what, 200k?
keonne: lol digg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not your posessing, but your inflicting
mircea_popescu: digg was a big thing back in the day
keonne: it sure was
mircea_popescu: reddit never was tbh.
keonne: yep
keonne: reddit was like diggs ugly step sister
mircea_popescu: i mean, sure slashdot sucks today, but one day it was a big thing. meanwhile 9gag or baumwhatever never were big things
BingoBoingo: reddit is like 4Chainz without pr0nz
mircea_popescu: what was that thing called
BingoBoingo: Ebaums
keonne: ebaumsworld
mircea_popescu: a yes!
keonne: BingoBoingo: there is plenty of pr0nz on reddit
bounce: don't link me, and no I don't have a twittar
mircea_popescu: aok.
keonne: /r/dirtysmall being a personal favourite
Naphex: morning
bounce: actually michelem in #freebsd
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem.
mircea_popescu: we kinda need a pki replacement standard.
BingoBoingo: So much so
BingoBoingo: Really a Python, LISP or C for retards readable imlementation
bounce: let's start with the type of model we'd like there. hierarchical is "natural" for over-enthousiastic devs but doesn't work all that well in practice.
Naphex: there is PolarSSL and CySSL
Naphex: but more aimed for embedded work
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Explain
bounce: a WoT thingy makes more sense, but is harder to work with and harder to understand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more than semiconductor chemistry i'd say. lynn conway wasn't 40 years ago was she ?
mircea_popescu: bounce the traditional wisdom used to be that (booklength spec + half line user manual) beats (one page spc + one page user manual), because you do the book once and then the millions of users are saved a million pages.
mircea_popescu: this is inspiured by ... ford t pretty much
samson_: PolarSSL is perfect for all sorts of platforms, Windows, Linux and MacOS included
mircea_popescu: yet i suspect we're getting to a point where it's actually becoming false, and nobody has the oversight to call it.
mircea_popescu: samson_ who makes it ?
samson_: polarssl.org
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00579967 = 0.2436 BTC [+] {4}
Naphex: used in openvpn and cyassl was/is used in mysql
mircea_popescu: ah ah
Naphex: Polar has dual license while cyassl is gpl
samson_: The picocoin project is being forked to use it
bounce: hmm. well, there is a good incentive to conciseness (see EWD1300, at least first two paragraphs) but "the GUI beliefs" overshot it in a grand way, sort-of coming out the other way
Naphex: i have used both in some embedded work, when something lighter then openssl was needed.
samson_: They only added EC in PolarSSL recently
bounce: s/incentive/rationale/ really, the incentive is a bit lacking
mircea_popescu: bounce this is true.
BingoBoingo: Lighter for lighter's sake isn't really the aim though
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is when i dress...
bounce: the "TL;DR" thing is a nice misunderstanding, by the by. don't put summaries at the bottom, where I find'em after I read the article.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That rationale for dressing fails at higher latitudes though to the reality of cold.
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
bounce: "oh yeah I coulda said dis in one line but I only thought about it now" -- no real copyediting going on.
mircea_popescu: bounce you have to understand the us mentality, as aptly described by al pacino in devil's advocate.
mircea_popescu: they WANT to scroll past the text in order to get to feel bad about how they're not reading it.
BingoBoingo: Prolly fails the most in one of my favorite James Bond flicks when Felix Ligheter for Lighter's sake gets chewed by a shark
mircea_popescu: puritan mental issues.
bounce: heh. derpage in a can.
mircea_popescu: it's a thing tho. your average "man's rights" dood on a forum somewhere is only happy in an "unhappy" marriage.
mircea_popescu: that sort of contorted, psycho stuff.
BingoBoingo: I want to do a post on Donnie Darko and Popular American Calvinism, but I just can't get myself drunk enough to write it.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/453832612768145408
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: #JokeBleed of the day : "Openssl ...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i should send you a bottle of this here cognac
mircea_popescu: it passes the morning after test
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I like cognac. I'd have to get cigarettes that aren't menthols, but I like that family of liquors.
mircea_popescu: sadly these idiots have gotten it to where i can't send you a bottle.
mircea_popescu: fuck da man, srsly.
BingoBoingo: Really, I mean I can literally order a liter of vancomycin concentrate on the jsutification that I have an itch. Fuck the man.
bounce: happy to be unhappy neatly glosses over the sad state of consumerist computing where the app is supposed to do the thinking, since to you it's supposed to be "intuitive", thus "no training needed" and thus we have large swathes of functionally illiterate people pushing buttons
bounce: funny how that keeps on biting
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves of course you don't use tor unless you're doing something illegal. EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO IS ILLEGAL!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: then the people who think try and insulate themselves, and this is how thinking became a crime in the us
mircea_popescu: and in the soviet union before that,
BingoBoingo: I liek how allegedly the msot illegal thing I have done in my like was supposedly making a fucking phone call
mircea_popescu: consider this illustrative piece : http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html
mircea_popescu: "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
mircea_popescu: so basically the ad baculum argument reduces to "he knew we have the stick, therefore he should get the stick"
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why and wherefore it's game over. well who the fuck would want to play with you!?
BingoBoingo: I raise you http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
mircea_popescu: ya lol.
BingoBoingo: Maybe we can improve on a topic raised on Goat's forum?
mircea_popescu: "it was found" derp. i dunno wtf land of the free you live in, i went to scvhool in communist romania. yet a teacher'd not have dared go through your bag.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: Back in the day wouldn't have been dared here
BingoBoingo: But nao that Ibuprofen has been a drug for so long
mircea_popescu: i guess may account for why putin "doens't understand how the world works".
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder what % of the us agency agents are actually drug free. not pretend-free, not pass the test free, but actually, as a lifestyle.
mircea_popescu: afaik the fsb still by and large is.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo isn't 54 a little young to die ?
BingoBoingo: For small sample sizes I can gather, in the US the actual drug free figures are small
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Eh, UW only was one year short of my pappy
mircea_popescu: this sounds like the fucking pleistocene all oer again.
BingoBoingo: My hypothesis on why Putin can't understant how the world works though is that the world just doesn't work because it has no benefit from doing so.
BingoBoingo: The world just is.
BingoBoingo: No matter who or what slaps it on the ass the world can just persist in being.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it was obviously a jab at a roomfull of potheads telling the sober guy that "he doesn't understand how the pretty colors work"
mircea_popescu: well duh. they ain't there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the US in any niche there is always a puritain contingent of some pretending to bees. Generally the higher in any gov niche the more they dominate.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: I've only met one person who worked at DISA though and they were shipped to London after racking up more DUIs int he states than Mr Bond himself.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: The Robert Hansen puritain to a fault type though at the higher levels of government security organizations is not that rare in the US though.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise << it's only "still around" in the sense of noise. like you know, the dead aren't really dead if you remember them :D
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete it's even been announced, some fork. basically they want to fork it because htey perceive they should be given more of this world than the ycan take by themselves, for themselves, and they perceive it's unfair that just as soon as an algo of division is established, better people get more than them.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: This transition in the US really was a big thing between Pershing and Lyndon Johnson
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete and so they want to just keep changing the algos and dream on.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1774954/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 1
BingoBoingo: Essentially J E Hoover was more damaging to the US than Brezhnev could have ever been to the Soviet republics
mircea_popescu: i dun know brejnev was all that bad, economically at least.
mircea_popescu: kinda nil politically.
BingoBoingo: I the US the Hooverites paited him as the devil, worse than Castro, but he gave Russia its booze back.
BingoBoingo: So I can't complain.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I showed my wife that blog post
fluffypony: She was laughing
fluffypony: She says hi: http://i.imgur.com/w6yiSSd.jpg
BingoBoingo: However the Hoover lives on in US 3 letter culture in that alcohol is more poisonous to many of those factions than coke (which the CIA loves for obvious reasons)
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Easier to tell her to submit http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: LOL
fluffypony: That was NSFL
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I think that picture popularized that acronym
mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98941 that, basically.
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm blogging this.
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fluffypony: Heh heh
BingoBoingo: The Buttcoiner mentality critiqued long ago by someone else
BingoBoingo: http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/thesks.htm
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok but as mentioned in the original post, the issue was not solvency or collateral - it was a brief experiment to see if I could get a secured loan at a better rate than I could locally
mircea_popescu: you know there's a guy who tried this in 2012 for similar reasons ?
mircea_popescu: he got really buttreamed, but he did pay off afaik, and one of the few to do so.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: What was his collateral though? And did eh link it to the usd price?
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mircea_popescu: he did not, no. mostly because nobody in btc would accept such a deal.
fluffypony: Yeah I get that
fluffypony: I was...more naive then
fluffypony: Not that I'm not naive now
fluffypony: But hopefully a little less
mircea_popescu: way it works.
fluffypony: Yeah it was an excellent lesson in the dynamics of bitcoin and of the community
keonne: fluffypony: props to not being a butthurt bitch in the comments
mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/
fluffypony: keonne: Meh, it was a year ago, and I can understand mircea_popescu not noticing the USD linked loan
mircea_popescu: i did notice it. i discarded it, too, cause who the hell is giving you a fiat loan.
keonne: ok, off for a bit, cheers
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Btc jam had the option, I figured it wasn't unheard of for loans with a term of more than like 2 weeks
fluffypony: Otherwise it's just asking for trouble
mircea_popescu: but anyway, as kman says, props for not being a butthurt bitch.
fluffypony: No worries
keonne: sand. kofte, cigarettes, and coffee, somewhere truffles is dying inside do to my lack of healthly activities
keonne: kman - hah my dad calls me that
keonne: *due
mircea_popescu: keonne it's what seinfeld called kramer, too :D
fluffypony: keonne: Coffee is awesome, I refuse to believe it has any negative affect on my health :-P
keonne: mircea_popescu: you keep getting better and better
mircea_popescu: nothing has a negative effect on your health in moderate amts.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, fucking kills.
BingoBoingo: keonne: Truffles is basically Diablo-D3 but somehow less crazy and slow
keonne: you're my favourite pschyopathic bigot
Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: truffles runs a large company and writes foss in his spare time?
keonne: lol BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: I dunno, have you ever made peace with bread yet?
keonne: moderation and I.... eh
mircea_popescu: keonne http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4
fluffypony: Ok lunch time, bbl
keonne: lol!
Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: thats like asking if I've made peace with fossil fuels
Diablo-D3: its a nonsensical statement
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mircea_popescu: actually my baguette has some charcoal embedded in it ;/
mircea_popescu: mebbe Diablo-D3 has a point there...
BingoBoingo: Fossil fuels make my Saturn go and don't give me any trouble.
mircea_popescu: wait you drive a saturn ?
mircea_popescu: the exact car i'd have imagined.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: yeah, family sedan. gets zero unwanted attention
dexX7: hey i'm still thinking about the heartbleed stuff and was wondering: how could one - in theory - do something nefarious with this? user sessions aside, but what else is flying around there?
mircea_popescu: if you get the server's keys you can a)impersonate the server and b) decrypt all its traffic, thaty you previously stored.
BingoBoingo: Pretty much this is the worst of all cases that the mainstream security community would have supposed
dexX7: so this would be great for phishing for example?
BingoBoingo: Or Spear Phishing
BingoBoingo: Or DNS hijacking
dexX7: but the server's private key is usually not exchanged, i think?
BingoBoingo: Or just running a high traffic router and scooping up ciphertext
mircea_popescu: dexX7 for anything.
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Heartbleed extracts that key
mircea_popescu: dexX7 but it has to be in memory.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're looking for more of a perspective thing : this is without a doubt the largest vulnerability ever reported in the history of vulnerabilities.
dexX7: hm right. to encrypt something, you'd need the key, therefore it's somewhere
mircea_popescu: bar none, nothing comes close.
mircea_popescu: it's larger than the cookie monster, and that thing had the advantage of there only being about 50 computers total.
BingoBoingo: dexX7: This allows extracting privates, so it allows Decrypting
dexX7: how likely is it such a flaw is implemented by accident?
dexX7: or rephrased: was it placed there to be exploited by some party?
mircea_popescu: how likely is it that you're really my wife and are currently pregnant with twin bald eagles ?
BingoBoingo: How often does the sun just stop fusion for a few minutes to catch a breath
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo funny factoid : the sun fusion is not unlike mining. it could in principle be the case a finite interval goes without any emission.
mircea_popescu: not likely obviously
mircea_popescu: but hence the solar cycles etc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, of course the possibility exists that the sun stops totally for a measurable period of time, but...
mircea_popescu: mhm.
BingoBoingo: Like mining... How often actually
dexX7: hehe.. no i mean.. people make errors, that's for sure, but sometimes one would say "you'd need to be very, very stupid, do to an error of this kind and it's likely no one sane would ever do something like this". and i'm wondering, if this is the case here
mircea_popescu: this is an implant not an error. at what level in the process the implanting starts and cluelessness takes over is still unclear.
mircea_popescu: the implanting ends*
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Basically if your were stupid enough to err this way, you were to stupid to concieve of this way to err
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Naphex: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ for those who still remember
ozbot: The Linux Backdoor Attempt of 2003
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mircea_popescu: Naphex indeed.
Naphex: and some of the scheiner warnings https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
BingoBoingo: People stumbling into the superiority of mutual betting https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ratings-for-all-the-bitcoin-sports-books.252942/page-26#post-5839153
mircea_popescu: the good old == vs = bug :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol. i hope they make a name for it and put it in wikipedia. something like a DAB, or something.
mircea_popescu: maybe DUMB
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is just amazing how much justification goes on to deny the self is being swindled
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: people like it in the butt, what.
mircea_popescu: if they didn't it'd have long disappeared.
Naphex: haha
BingoBoingo: Explains the longevity of the Bitcoin Foundation, though the low rate of activity there is telling
mircea_popescu: i would say the same thing explains the longevbity of the thing as explains the longevity of soviet satellites : they're still in orbit.
mircea_popescu: they don't work, but unless we build a huge broom somehow...
BingoBoingo: Purity though Transnidstria is nao b est Soviet
BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VaaBMIhp--/c_fit,w_320/671443921815989424.png
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BingoBoingo: "Besides, if Silicon Valley can proselytize about cloud country and dividing California into six pieces, why can't their political enemies engage in similar flights of fancy about the world as it currently exists? " << They can't
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: So... where is truffles
BingoBoingo: http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/192771
ozbot: Login
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell truffles Let us try this fantasy baseball thing head to head
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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BingoBoingo: I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?
fluffypony: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963
ozbot: Gmane -- Re: FYA: http: heartbleed.com
fluffypony: Fail by design
fluffypony: Go OpenSSL
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mircea_popescu: yeah was in the log earlier.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so where in sa do you live ?
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keonne: saturns never dent man, good stuff
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how'd that work ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WHich thing?
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mircea_popescu: "I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?"
mircea_popescu: but meanwhile i figured it out :)
BingoBoingo: Oh, yahoo is password weak because heartbleed. Figured I'd offer something on Yahoo for people to sign up for
BingoBoingo: Since no reason to use yahoo for anything of import at all
mircea_popescu: ever a good bingoboingotan
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Plettenberg Bay, along the Garden Route
fluffypony: used to be in Cape Town
mircea_popescu: " IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is" << actually, it's ... multisyncronous. pretty much the only mental space that readily comprehends irc flow is the sort that spent a lot of time doing debugger stepping.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony is rape quite so bad there as they say ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, you can't minimise it, but it's a problem in the townships and villages and not so much in the suburbs
mircea_popescu: aha
fluffypony: but traditionally speaking women are not viewed as equals, so the men can just do whatever they want
joecool: hmm, doesn't openssl also have weird licensing that would prevent a fork?
mircea_popescu: so not exactly a race thing as much as a gender thing ?
mircea_popescu: joecool not at all.
Naphex: lol
mircea_popescu: just a huge workload for very little pay that prevents a fork.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: both Afrikaaners (white) and native South Africans (black) have a similar view of women
fluffypony: although culturally that view developed independently of the other
mircea_popescu: well most people alive, or historically existing had the same view.
fluffypony: the younger generation is better with that
mircea_popescu: well "women" in the traditional sense hardly exist in the newer generation. it's pretty much a genderless soup
mircea_popescu: kinda have my doubts of this weird construct's chances of survival, but we see.
fluffypony: true
fluffypony: the problem is that the women-as-sex-objects view among native African males leads to some weird crap
joecool: ah, yeah just looked it up, it has the advertising clause that makes it incompatible with GPL without an exemption
mircea_popescu: well yes but iirc it was bsd licensed
fluffypony: like a complete disregard for logic when it comes to "rape a baby as a cure for AIDs"
fluffypony: because women + babies aren't = men
mircea_popescu: well, that part can even be set aside. raping babies does not actually cure aids.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yep, but the idea persists
fluffypony: meh
fluffypony: anywhere you live you compromise
mircea_popescu: yes, inasmuch as embodiment is an imposition.
fluffypony: here it's crime + economy
fluffypony: in the US it's terrorism + natural disasters + the NSA
mircea_popescu: which goes back to my original genderless soup comment : they're not better about the problems, they just avoid them more.
mircea_popescu: ipad ftw.
fluffypony: yep agreed
mircea_popescu: actually, if anyone cares to explore this topic, i've wtf'd my foreign slaves with "filantropica", a romanian movie of the 90s. pretty much a slice of life, could as well be a documentary.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what do you use for IRC on the iPad? Colloquy?
mircea_popescu: i never used an ipad.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: oh I misunderstood the "ipad ftw." comment
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fluffypony: HeySteve: stay
keonne: Filantropica
keonne: just saving in buffer for later retrieval
keonne: mircea_popescu: when watching that film, how much of it is still relevant to Romania today
mircea_popescu: not much. romania changes incredibly fast, it's almost azn.
keonne: Okay
keonne: I believe I am visiting Romania this year, I'm looking forward to it very much
keonne: Mostly because I have no idea what to expect
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/filantropica/
ozbot: Filantropica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: here, i gave up trying to post the shit in irc, made a blogpost instead.
mircea_popescu: keonne you can always ask teh people after the conference.
fluffypony: who's going to the Crypto Currency Convention in NY?
fluffypony: we're at the VertCoin stand, so you can go look at our stuff in person
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MisterE: mircea_popescu: is that a Romanian name?
MisterE: sounds very French to my Yankee ears
MisterE: the pronunciation nags at me heh
jurov: romanian lang is close to french
MisterE: ahh ok
mircea_popescu: absolutely romanian.
mircea_popescu: doth not exist in any other language. except, of course.... murican.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com mircea mircea monroe.
gribble: I was right, you were wrong. Again. Feel the burn. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/i-was-right-you-were-wrong-again-feel-the-burn/>; Decembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/12>; Oda Superbiei pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/oda-superbiei/>
mircea_popescu: holy shit google.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/mircea-mircea-monroe/
ozbot: Mircea. Mircea Monroe. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0558798 = 0.5029 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00566999 = 0.4082 BTC [-] {2}
adolf_fishler: test
jurov: adolf_fishler: test failed
adolf_fishler: terrible
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blackwhite: morning gents
adolf_fishler: morning blacky
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jurov: evening
fluffypony: mid-afternoon
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 616 @ 0.00039999 = 0.2464 BTC [+]
Musk: for the love of dumplings.
robwhiz22: Hi.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, are you around?
BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: His name autocompleted, so he'll prolly see what you type
robwhiz22: BingoBoingo: thank you. He told me to talk with him here.
robwhiz22: BingoBoingo: I'll try later and see if he's on.
Musk: Guest15829 so hows the weather? :3
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Musk: Guest12166 so hows the weather? :3
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05494999 = 0.1099 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/126068/Heartbleed-Honeypot-Script.html
ozbot: Heartbleed Honeypot Script ≈ Packet Storm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0359999 = 0.144 BTC [+]
MisterE: Guest76571: hows the weather?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.036 = 0.108 BTC [+]
mike_c: BingoBoingo: thank you. that easter link made my day. hilarious :D
mike_c: "Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight."
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096731 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker
assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096539 / 0.00099169 / 0.00101 (443278 shares, 439.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00093983 / 0.00097277 / 0.00101 (4331512 shares, 4,213.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089908 / 0.00101 (27459171 shares, 24,688.04 BTC)
danielpbarron: :<
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.2, vol: 7535.31056283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.392, vol: 6096.24982 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.403, vol: 3697.25441944 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 463.0, vol: 46.73166148 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 442.366863, vol: 2069.06200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 1.84923361 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.126, vol: 55.37423946 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more drama
gribble: Error: I haven't seen drama.
jurov: lol gribble.. "no drama here, move on"
pLambert: has s.mpoe paid dividends this month yet?
thestringpuller: no sir
pLambert: is it going to?
thestringpuller: why wouldn't it?
pLambert: just wondering, the report came out a few days ago ...
thestringpuller: so did bitbet but it hasn't paid yet either
thestringpuller: patience :P
pLambert: I don't have time for patience!
mike_c: hm, it is later than usual. mp must be busy.
thestringpuller: with a conference in 2 weeks I'd hope he's busy :P
jurov: he every month either forgets or makes a mistake
mike_c: i vote for mpoe-pr as mpoe-accountant
jurov: the payout must involve truly heroic effort
pLambert: do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?
mike_c: maybe his piper wallet is out of printer paper
Guest12166: maybe this time he wants to get it right!
jurov: i propose delayed divs to be compounded by MPBOR >:-]
Shakespeare: why, shareholders would just owe it next month ;)
benkay: pLambert: ms. whet?
benkay: (e)Mircea Popescu solemnly promises and warrants that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each Reporting Month will be published by him no later than by the fifth day of the new month. Under exceptional circumstances and for good cause the publishing of the Statements of Profit and Loss can be deferred no more than once in a calendar year so that the Statement of Profit and Loss of one month is published together
benkay: with the Statement of Profit and Loss of the next month.
pLambert: benkay: what?
benkay:
benkay: (f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss MPOE/MPEx will pay to shareholders as dividends a fraction of no less than 100% (one hundred percent) of the Net Profits, if any.
benkay: <pLambert> do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?
jurov: pLambert: her blog is named The Whet
pLambert: she has a blog?
benkay: ;;google whet shall be delivered
gribble: Shall be Delivered | The Whet: <http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/>; Chatper 14 - Wheat Futures - CME Group: <http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14/14.pdf>; Chapter 14B - Mini-Sized Wheat Futures - CME Group: <http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14B/14B.pdf>
pLambert: how immediately is immediately in this case?
mike_c: i had this thought last night. if i was the nsa, and i had injected this awesome new backdoor into 1.0.1f, and i was really anxious for everyone to upgrade right now.. I would publicize my outdated backdoor called heartbleed.
benkay: pLambert: i suppose that's for His Busyness to determine, eh? not us plebs...
pLambert: mike_c: is it open source?
Mats_cd03: and the part where thousands of eyes have suddenly started running diffs against repos?
mike_c: pLambert: openssl? yes.
Mats_cd03: too many layers. do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars
benkay: mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem. << http://golang.org/pkg/crypto/tls/, seems to be about 8kloc
benkay: asciilifeform, mike_c, decimation, everyone else interested in ssl
mike_c: isn't 'thousands of eyes' always the flawed argument why open source software is safe?
benkay: mike_c: kinda falls down when the eyes/kloc gets too small, or the l' of c are unreadable.
benkay: (l's)
jurov: djb just threw it all out and made his own from the ground up
Shakespeare: benkay, the issue (and likely reality) I see with your NSA theory is that it would echo to all versions ever
mike_c: visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway.
benkay: my NSA theory?
benkay: Shakespeare: is that you, TaT?
Apocalyptic: probably
Mats_cd03: is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00096731 = 20.7004 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: yes
Shakespeare: just keep forgetting to unlock my name in 30secs
Shakespeare: and I like this name too
benkay: bounce: re "intuitive" computing: i build this shit all day and only occasionally hate my life. the only time it makes sense to me is when it's not so much a bit of software (software nominally empowering humans to do things they could not before) but a tool (in the sense of a hammer, used to do a specific thing).
benkay: case in point, a 2fa app for these fine gents: http://www.tozny.com/
benkay: does one thing, and that well.
Apocalyptic: "We have four premium 'BRANDABLE' Crypto Coin niche domains for sale at
Apocalyptic: bargain pricing that I thought you guys would like to know about as they
Apocalyptic: are all within your industry and are extremely valuable beyond our prices"
benkay: (sneak peek everyone: soon to announce having performed actual crypto audit and implemented fixes!)
Apocalyptic: seriously what kind of spam I get.. moreover the domains are shitty
thestringpuller: benkay: pm
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05589998 = 0.3913 BTC [+]
benkay: highly confusing to catch the pm note before the actual pm, thestringpuller ;)
MisterE: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/09/mass-stabbing-at-pennsylvania-high-school
ozbot: Mass stabbing at Pennsylvania high school | World | News | Toronto Sun
joecool: 20? kid's got skills
benkay: stabby stabby
benkay: this is why everyone should be taught to fight at age six
benkay: in other derpy news: no more wome
benkay: (goddamn kill ring)
benkay: http://juggalocoin.org/
ozbot: JuggaloCoin
benkay: so this irs position where you get taxed on the increase in value of your coins
benkay: seems like it'd make more sense if they just taxed you on the acquisition of coins. just like normal income.
benkay: i know i know; party line is "bitcoins aren't money"
Musk: benkay Lets all watch Bloomberg t.v the essances of real economic news...
Musk chuckles.
dignork: benkay, but they tax you only when switching btc to something else, as in barter deal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0558 = 0.2232 BTC [-]
pankkake: paying taxes, what a strange idea
benkay rolls eyes
mike_c: yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes.
benkay: dignork: i understand the situation on the ground.
Musk: Hey guys are you lazy workers? yes.. then move to france.. its now illegal for employers to contract you after 6PM.
Musk: contact*
Apocalyptic: what
benkay: hey man contracts is contracts
Musk: http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2014/apr/09/french-6pm-labour-agreement-work-emails-out-of-office...
Musk: i meant Contact... gosh.
Musk: This kind of news might lead to capital flying out of the country though.
benkay: and who are you, Musk?
benkay: ;;gettrust Musk
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Musk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Musk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Musk | Rated since: never
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14364288 BTC to 7`651 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
pankkake: that really is non-news. you never were forced to answer, unless by contract (which is likely not going to change)
pLambert: benkay: is there any capitla left to fly?
benkay: i had nothing to do with that comment, pLambert
benkay: i'm insufficiently capitalized myself to talk about capitalization
benkay: plus, france.
pLambert: bah, reading in a line is hard.
Mats_cd03: benkay re: tozny...tag line says eliminate the need for passwords, so is this just... auth by phone?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
benkay: not really accurate
benkay: don't be too harsh on the guys, they need to throw down another 10-20k on branding and copy.
benkay: there's an auth path that does away with passwords, but i don't know that anyone's going to implement it.
Mats_cd03: a clever founder would hire a starving artist for 500usd
benkay: the approach i expect to see implementers use is passwords + phone auth
jurov: and loot all photobanks for moar nice pictures
benkay: Mats_cd03: have you ever seen enterprise-sales grade material come out of a starving artist?
Mats_cd03: if you look in the right places, it can be had
jurov: benkay: cause mobile malware is non-extant, right?
Mats_cd03: try uc berkeley, or san francisco downtown :)
benkay: starving artists in san francisco??
benkay: pull the other one, Mats_cd03
benkay: (leastaways starving css jockies)
Mats_cd03: i guess they're not starving, just homeless
benkay: jurov: since when?
Mats_cd03: i imagine mitigating mobile malware is largely a policy issue
benkay: as with all installed software, i think it's the user's issue.
jurov: are you both serious?
Mats_cd03: give the nerds that need a smartphone something with a concrete expected support lifetime
jurov: we are just on tthe threshold on gsm baseband exploits
jurov: that stuff can do everything
jurov: there will be blood. now it's the worst time to rely on phones for anything\
benkay: compromise via gsm modem oslt?
Mats_cd03: the enemy still wouldnt have the keys you use to communicate securely though
Mats_cd03: at the app layer, anyway
Mats_cd03: (idk anything about gsm)
benkay: nor i.
Mats_cd03: ive known for some time the equipment for attacks against gsm has been affordable
jurov: it has bus access
Mats_cd03: <2kUSD in equipment now im sure
pankkake: gsm was designed by people with no real computing experience. don't trust the telephonists for anything
jurov: yes, that's why i'm talking about threshold
pankkake: it only lasted because the equipment was expensive
jurov: http://readwrite.com/2011/01/18/baseband_hacking_a_new_frontier_for_smartphone_break_ins#awesm=~oAX7gdWJCz6y2g
ozbot: Baseband Hacking: A New Frontier for Smartphone Break-ins – ReadWrite
jurov: just one report of many
benkay: "smarter" (or more well-capitalized) heads than mine have decided that this thing flies. we just ensure that the parts over which we have authority do what they say on the tin. per asciilifeform's mice and comments on proofs, the stack is ultra complex and its vulnerabilities are beyond our pay grade to even address.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 41 @ 0.00349949 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: you are ironic?
benkay: no, just stupid.
benkay: explain it to me before i make more mistakes, jurov
jurov: but i don't get what you are misunderstanding?
benkay: customer wants a gun that fires backwards. i say "but it fires backwards!" they say "just build it."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 95 @ 0.00408918 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {7}
jurov: or your tozny comment was meant ironically from the start?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 112 @ 0.00491185 = 0.5501 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: i dunno where this went off the rails.
benkay: you and i both know the only solution is keys on a device you trust and bitcoin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.00520587 = 0.177 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05679361 = 2.2717 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 23 @ 0.0052749 = 0.1213 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 26 seconds
BingoBoingo: .d
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1385 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.1369% in 9d 7h 27m 39s
benkay: ;;calc 529/60
gribble: 8.81666666667
benkay: supply high, demand low.
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.31, Best ask: 444.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 444.31, 24 hour volume: 8064.52728342, 24 hour low: 439.5, 24 hour high: 458.2, 24 hour vwap: 448.973423497
benkay: WHY CRASH?!?!?
arij: btc ded
mike_c: cuz china, duh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [-]
pLambert: is the guy who runs bitvps on here?
BingoBoingo: How many times is BTC just going to crash to the same price it was yesterday roughly??? This is catastrophe!!!
arij: pLambert, yes, pm me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05530004 = 0.2765 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: claptastrophe
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd3-PaqZGbA
ozbot: Rep Jared Polis (D-CO) Using The Robocoin ATM - YouTube
Naphex: like alien technology
Naphex: all gather around
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05527035 = 0.1658 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/lOT2cr4
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: rough draft
nubbins`: comments welcome but will likely be discarded ;D
benkay: hey nubbins` what did the CBC end up saying instead of dick surgery?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Eye doesn't look to be inflamed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3593 @ 0.0001237 = 0.4445 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: news.slashdot.org/story/14/04/08/1449259/smart-car-tipping-trending-in-san-francisco
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00096537 = 14.3357 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: benkay: "D something surgery"
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: there's more than one way to make an eye pink ;p
nubbins`: iirc smartcar tipping was popular in amsterdam some years ago
nubbins`: pop 'em right into the canals
cgcardona_: nubbins`: $5 and not 0.1BTC ?
nubbins`: cgcardona_ inorite? shockin
cgcardona_: old skool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
nubbins`: altho we got our Square reader in the mail yesterday, so we'll accept credit cards at the merch table
benkay: ffs include an http at the front of your links BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: benkay: That omission was intentional
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: ffs set up your client properly benkay ;D
benkay: but hao
nubbins`: REGEX
benkay: i r no time hack irc
benkay: oh jesus and definitely no time to write regexen
cgcardona_: in soviet russia irc hacks you
nubbins`: and regex learns you
nubbins`: (swidt?)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05401 = 0.5401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9359 @ 0.000965 = 9.0314 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05385001 = 0.1616 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00076 = 0.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05384834 = 0.1615 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pLambert yeah. imminently.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bitbet ain't paying cause it overpaid last month :D
mircea_popescu: jurov the payout must involve truly heroic effort << no, i'm just being blonde most of the time
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway. << it's good for some things, bad for others, not really optional imo
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?
asciilifeform: one day (tm) people will wake up and see that 'c machine', memory allocation in software, untyped pointers, etc. are dumb.
mircea_popescu: never!
mircea_popescu: you'rer just hating on their success
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: besides, i like dangling my own pointers damnit
asciilifeform: obligatory - naggum's bathtub:
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html
ozbot: Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: nubbins` your typeface mix sucks ass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform noob nagum. he thought security theatre was taking too much time in 2000
mircea_popescu: little did he know...
asciilifeform: little did they know, in 2014, about the uterus searches of 2030...
nubbins`: [15:03:22] <io_error> Who the fuck is nubbins`` and why is he trying to scam me in PMs?
nubbins`: lelel.
nubbins`: i tell ya, this nick is scam-proof
robwhiz22: Hello.
fluffypony: robwhiz22: hi! asl?
jurov: asciilifeform some considered it dumb from the very beginning. but ended up with "worse is better"-like self-consolations
fluffypony: :-P
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: agreed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999998 BTC [+]
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu invited me in here. I came in on Sunday but you were going to a Bat Mitzvah.
benkay: so what situation would lead to someone who accepted a funding action with btc after 1 block getting burned?
robwhiz22: Mircea, I sent you a proposal last week and you invited me in here for your answer.
fluffypony gets his dreidel and yarmulke
benkay: a fork immediately after the confirmation, which resolved to a branch in which the solo-conf transaction was not included?
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 no, i merely pointed you out to here. i'm still not going to pm with you, and that's not likely to change.
mircea_popescu: if you keep pretending like you call the shots i'll simply ignore you.
mircea_popescu: we about clear ?
jurov: robwhiz22 you are having another super sikrit idea?
jurov: if its success relies on utmost secrecy then it's not so good idea anyway
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: moreover, the anonymous enjoys perfect secrecy of their ideas anyway.
fluffypony ponders
mircea_popescu: nobody notices what the bums do in the holes they inhabit, nobody notices what "ideas" anon ppl "have" etc.
bounce: .oO( perfect forward secrecy of ideas )
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, certainly you're the boss.
fluffypony: I find this a contentious issue...I agree that ideas are worthless, implementation is critical, but if implementation has already begun and the person seeks counsel/funding how much of that do they make public?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony if you stick around here you'll see great ideas being given away for free multiple times a week
mircea_popescu: and i do mean great, not in the sense of "tinker joe thinks this rocks after two beers".
pLambert: enough to make the people they are trying to get money from comfortable
fluffypony: pLambert: yeah there's the rub
benkay: the best way to make funders comfortable is by demonstrating competence.
pLambert: so, as much as you can give
benkay: past performance best indicator etc
mircea_popescu: dude get out. you got no money you're giving your entire idea away entirely for free to the people who have money.
mircea_popescu: all of it.
benkay: withholding throws red flags, an important note.
mircea_popescu: then maybe they give you the great opportunity to give the manother one. also for free.
mircea_popescu: then, maybe, perhaps, possibly, you actually have a name
mircea_popescu: and can begun getting paid.
fluffypony: benkay: agreed
mircea_popescu: this obnoxious pretentiousness where "you" have an idea and x has money and you're now equals is like... dream on, you'll be on sex and the city
mircea_popescu: as the cumrag.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: are you talking to me or robwhatshisface?
mircea_popescu: neither, i was just sayin' generally.
fluffypony: ah ok
mike_c: if the 'idea is worthless' and the 'implementaion is critical', then why be afraid to discuss the idea no matter what stage you are at.
fluffypony: mike_c: I agree with that *at the idea stage*
nubbins`: wait, is fluffypony the guy with the fake wife?
mike_c: but once implementation has begun the idea suddently has value? ok..
fluffypony: nubbins`: LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 86.05453928 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 17 satoshi per share
fluffypony: nubbins`: I'll be sure to tell her she's fake :)
nubbins`: tyvm
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you hate blondies ?
nubbins`: not at all, my wife is blonder than that :D
fluffypony ^5 nubbins`
fluffypony: I never thought I'd marry a blonde
fluffypony: but they really are kinda fun
mircea_popescu: you hate girls that are too scatterbrained to buy nailpolish so they end up with hands in different colors ?
asciilifeform: ;;google deng xiaoping cat colour
gribble: Deng Xiaoping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping>; Deng Xiaoping Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping_Theory>; Deng Xiaoping - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping>
mircea_popescu: fluffypony at the rate you're ghoing she's going to be here to cuss us all out in person.
fluffypony: hah
nubbins`: why do you think i hate women ;(
benkay: bad feminist
benkay: no nookie
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: just noticed that...the polish is temperature sensitive gel
mircea_popescu: ^
fluffypony: LeChat Mood something
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/5VfFrqy.jpg
mircea_popescu: o so she had that finger up somewhere first foreals ?
fluffypony winks
fluffypony: don't you know it
asciilifeform: anyone remember liquid crystal pants?
mircea_popescu: ya lol
nubbins`: i remember hot wheels that did that
asciilifeform: and what supposedly accounted for their quick disappearance
nubbins`: and chip & pepper t-shirts
mircea_popescu: they should totally make these nailpolishes to react to whatever fuck hormones chicks have,
mircea_popescu: so the morning after her nails are white, and two weeks later it's bleedin' purple
asciilifeform: at some point 'flir' camera on phones will bring this game back.
fluffypony: hah
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: so you know, everyone in the bar knows who to hit on.
nubbins`: once again the public will know when your crotch is sweaty
mircea_popescu: maybe they could be free wirth obamacare
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00012384 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: it will do to 'pick uppery' what rifling did for small arms
nubbins`: we actually buy inks from the company that used to make those color-changing inks
nubbins`: not color-changing ones, but still
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ie, send everyone spinning ?
jurov: wut, temp sensitive nail polish?
fluffypony: jurov: yeah
mircea_popescu: anyway, please everyone don't read my supersikrit business idea
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla push ze logerase button pls.
fluffypony: http://www.salonsupplystore.co.za/introducing_lechat_perfect_match_mood_changing_colours
ozbot: Introducing LeChat Perfect Match Mood Changing Colours - Salon Supply Store
fluffypony: there you go
benkay: let me just go raise 5m for chemgineering
fluffypony: "mood" = temperature
fluffypony: apparently
nubbins`: natch
nubbins`: also lying=temperature
mircea_popescu: also catching her nail in the door = temperature.
asciilifeform: for some reason i picture the 'scope' as a gadget a la the MIT roulette cheating machine
benkay: fluffypony: so if there's an idea that's worthless, and the execution is everything, if you've made strides on execution that is a 'moat' in the parlance, ensaftifying your idea.
mircea_popescu: benkay you mean ensafeizing.
asciilifeform: to avoid having to aim the scope, it would have to be mounted on... the user's crotch level.
asciilifeform: (codpiece?)
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu - you wrote that you do not want to PM and that's not likely to change. Could you therefore answer here to the proposal I submitted to Polimedia?
fluffypony: ensaftifying my shoelaces
jurov: benaky isn't fructifying the right word?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hate to break it to you but crotch levels vary
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.000965 BTC [-]
benkay: all these made up words
benkay: signifying the SAME DAMN THING
fluffypony: benkay: just to make sure I understand, you're talking about this: http://stocks.about.com/od/evaluatingstocks/a/072908moat.htm ?
mircea_popescu: dude naggum rules.
fluffypony doesn't know the parlance. at all.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: i imagine you'd have to confess here wtf the 'proposal' is
mircea_popescu: Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself
mircea_popescu: and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Sin
mircea_popescu: ce you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it is over and you "lost".
asciilifeform: or else your answer wouldn't make sense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 895 @ 0.00038537 = 0.3449 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: an acceptable first pass, fluffypony
fluffypony reads
mircea_popescu: " If you deny people the opportunity to defend something they feel is under threat, however, some people go completely insane with rage and actually believe that you threaten them on purpose and that you willfully seek to destroy something very valuable to them."
mircea_popescu: therer you go asciilifeform. "is mp a psychopath ?!?!?!" "definitely! he aims to destroy our shit!!1"
asciilifeform: for those who never encountered naggum, he was a fellow who often bulldozed idiots as a public service, much like mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: my collection of naggumiana:
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu has seen a proposal I submitted to polymedia and responded that "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode" and sent me a link ("http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets if you don't have a client handy") which is what I called an invitation.
ozbot: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I would have preferred not to chat in here but of course am happy to do so if he requires it.
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 i didn't see it. i just have a stock answer to all those that insist to aproach me personally as if we have some sort of a relationship.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: what sense would the reply make to the rest of us if we don't know the question?
jurov: asciilifeform why all the rage.. just finish the damn time machine and force K&R to lisp instead on that PDP
mircea_popescu: that stock answer is, join here, build the relationship you seem to imagine you already have, talk after.
jurov: on gunpoint if need be
asciilifeform: jurov: may as well go back and zap the fellow responsible for tetraethyl lead in gasoline
mircea_popescu: why ?!
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I see.
asciilifeform: boost 20th c. iq by a point or two
mircea_popescu: i'd just go back in time and fuck cleo.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: what!
asciilifeform: there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine
asciilifeform: he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: goes home, and planet is run by intelligent fungi
asciilifeform: whos exam he... flunks
mircea_popescu: okok
mircea_popescu: i'd go back in time and fuck
mircea_popescu: cleo's still warm corpse.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I'm unclear about what kind of relationship you have in mind.
asciilifeform: ;;google dear departed cadaver to enjoy
gribble: Lyrics: Dear Departed - Bob Kanefsky: <http://www.songworm.com/lyrics/songworm-parody/DearDeparted.html>; The Happy Haunted Horseshoe at the Magic Kingdom | DIS Blog: <http://blog.wdwinfo.com/2013/10/31/the-happy-haunted-horseshoe-at-the-magic-kingdom/>; The Crackle & The Static | Cadaver Club: <http://www.cadaverclub.com/?page_id=432>
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 i don't have it in mind, you have it in mind. whatever it is in your mind that makes you think i could conceivably give a shit about your proposal.
mircea_popescu: see if benkay sends me a proposal ima prolly read it. but you're not benkay.
mircea_popescu: so become benkay.
benkay: no don't its horrible
mircea_popescu: benkay don't worry, the past two dozen lines were all a setup for me to say "become benkay"
mircea_popescu: it's a calophilous thing.
fluffypony: yeah you'll have to have your nick highlighted in green on my client if you become benkay
bounce: including the thing about warm necrofilia?
mircea_popescu: hm i guess im the only one knowing what calophilous is supposed to mean.
fluffypony: probably, I've never heard the word
mircea_popescu: it's a love of the form of phrase, unrelated to meaning. a fixation with getting aliterations and formal perfection.
mircea_popescu: you know, like coders.
asciilifeform: tone poem
asciilifeform: (i believe that's the english term for it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just denotes the general preocupation. doesn't have to be a poem
bounce: alliterative code. maybe the next scrum.
fluffypony: hah
mircea_popescu: just, anyone who is [excessively] preocupied with written form and style to the possible detriment of meaning = calophile
fluffypony: Poem Masters will ensure that code is sung
bounce: rhyming user stories
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, when I wrote you I quoted your announcement on cryptome in which you explicitly welcomed letters such as mine. Whether you have any interest in anyhting beyond it, or since abandoned that interest, is up to you to communicate.
mircea_popescu: kalophilos, exists as such in german
mircea_popescu: is this related to the cardano in some manner ?
benkay: you thought 3 line method calls were a thing?
benkay: now all must also be haiku
benkay: and rhyme
benkay: GO
bounce: oh, who was that philosopher guy with the headcase for exactly that again? or rather, seeing more meaning in language than there possibly can be, neatly reasoning cause to be effect and vv
fluffypony: benkay: GO like the language, or must we just go?
benkay: it's injunctive.
fluffypony: or self-defining
mircea_popescu: bounce just about ... half of them ?
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, yes. I opened my to you with: Dear Polimedia, \n In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announcement on Cryptome: \n http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm \n Which includes, in part, "Critique of the product welcomed."
bounce: well a big name german guy entirely hung up on language, can't remember his name. there's gotta be irony in there somewhere.
mircea_popescu: aite, so go ahead an' critique it.
asciilifeform: interesting that someone might write a whatever re: cardano and not ask me.
robwhiz22: You have my letter. The cardano is not fit for any purpose today. (But this can change easily.) Why don't you read my letter then.
bounce: it sux! -- there, universal critique of teh intarwebz. where's my cookie?
benkay: robwhiz22: share your shit.
benkay: stop derping and put it to the test.
asciilifeform: i especially look forward to hearing about how the widget is 'not fit for any purpose.'
bounce: a letter in the mail/ in braille/ to johnny quest/
asciilifeform: positively salivating!
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 dude. i sent a letter to the guy running cryptome. because i know he's qualified. he published it. i see no problem with this. i am more than willing to extend the welcoming of critique to his readership, because if he judged this is a good idea i'm going on his hand.
benkay: worst case scenario you can replace me as class clown
benkay cartwheels off
mircea_popescu: i am however not transforming this into "please send me anon emails". you want to critique it, either publish it on cryptome, that critique, or on your blog, which i may eventually read if you're anybody
mircea_popescu: or else i guess here.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, why don't you get your boss to accept my proposal and you can stop salivating :)
nubbins`: why don't we just keep this circular "discussion" going instead
fluffypony: lol
bounce: it's the cartwheels, I'm telling ya
nubbins`: art imitates life
mike_c: let me guess robwhiz22: you are charging for the full details of the critique.
mircea_popescu: no wai ?!
fluffypony: mike_c: also the contents of your computer has been encrypted...but for the very low fee of 10 BTC I can decrypt it for you
robwhiz22: mike_c - no not exactly. I've written most of the details in the first email, and am including a proper well-edited write-up free of charge with the proposal.
mircea_popescu: suppose you just write the elevator speech in the next five minutes
benkay: or pastebin the letter
mircea_popescu: what am i, a highschool teacher, send me crap in double spaced comic sans fiont ?
benkay: save yourself some work
robwhiz22: suppose you read my email? Don't you still have it?
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: cardano is co-authored by me & mp. not dictated by him as work for hire. (see s.nsa contract on mpex.co for who's who)
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read proposals for turkish soap pilots.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if you've something to suggest, please do it here
fluffypony starts writing a Turkish soap
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I'm sorry. He answered the email to Polimedia and called you the chief engineer - which is why I thought he was, 'your boss.'
mircea_popescu: what are you, from the 50s ? this is the 21st century, work relations are fluid.
nubbins`: this is painful
mike_c: this is obviously a weak attempt at extortion. rob, you have picked the wrong victims.
mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html << anyone wanna put this on reddit ?
ozbot: Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive
robwhiz22: All right. asciilifeform, in my critique I showed what you say makes you 'salivate' - obviously, without charge - as spec work. A proper write-up is incldued for free with a larger proposal.
mike_c: 'included for free with receipt of payment'.
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you draw this one ?
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: ok so you've formally confessed to being the earlier bozo.
robwhiz22: mike_c, no, you have misunderstood. I included it in my email to Polimedia.
mircea_popescu: dont you mean polimedya /
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I don't know. The address says "polimedia.us"
benkay: .bait
ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2eiywadkV1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will you be terribly annoyed with me if i point out that in fact the "run fast and without making sense" approach appeals ?
Shakespeare: wow robwhiz22, stop being such a chore
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it had no appeal, who would do it
mircea_popescu: imh&uo, what's needed is a way to convert exploratory code from c to lisp, and have all old shit in lisp
Shakespeare: just say what you wanna say here and again
Shakespeare: it wont kill you
mircea_popescu: rather than take my ability away to write five bad lines of regex until i finally get grep to find what i wanted in the logs
bounce: "run nonsensically and slow" is rather popular these days too
bounce: as long as the "coding" is, er, "easy"?
mircea_popescu: that's the happy medium here, i tell you : hack the shit in c, then re-write it in lisp once it's in any seriousness going to be used by others for anything
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i use emacs and 'slime', personally. 'f1' key wired to 'eval sexpr in current cursor'
mircea_popescu: yea see ?
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=202
ozbot: Loper OS » Tim Daly on Symbolics Lisp Machines
mircea_popescu: it's not even anything else than *i don't think i could be bothered to use compuers at all without that*
asciilifeform: ooda loop
mircea_popescu: it's really that big
fluffypony: I use imacs! we have so much in common, asciilifeform
fluffypony: :-P
robwhiz22: This is how I started the email: "As described in your introduction to its specs, the Cardano it allows one point of certainty in an uncertain world . However insecure a computer might be to which it is connected, so long as a Cardano does not leave your possession, its private key can be relied on to work, and to be uncompromised, while it remains on the physical Cardano which does not export it under any circumstances. Moreover, yo
robwhiz22: u can actually use that private key while preserving the above guarantees."
robwhiz22: You should read it.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the bathtub catapult has some potential
mike_c: satoshi hacked together bitcoin. still waiting for that rewrite..
mircea_popescu: mike_c indeed.
fluffypony: mike_c: MagicalTux was rewriting in PHP, innit?
bounce: for me, the biggest off-putting thing to learning lisp keeps on being having to accept emacs in the deal.
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daybyter: nah....you can use lisp with nano, too.
robwhiz22: I then stated: "As beautiful as the idea is, the Cardano in its present form is unfit for any purpose whatsoever, as I will prove shortly. If interested in my follow-up proposal, I can prepare a more detailed overview detailing this conclusion. The main points are summarized below."
Shakespeare: robwhiz22 dpaste it and link it here then
Shakespeare: you'll get the benefit of all eyes
asciilifeform: lisp, of whatever kind, without emacs, is quite like trying to do international business without knowing a word of english
asciilifeform: certainly possible
daybyter: but take a look at scheme. I prefer it over lisp now.
robwhiz22: That is not how product proposals work, Shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like nano
Shakespeare: it is here
mircea_popescu: most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano
bounce: used to use pico for ages.
asciilifeform: at the very least, you need an editor that will match parens and auto-indent for you
Shakespeare: mp is trying to tell you, you dont decide how things work
asciilifeform: and, preferably, can be wired to the evaluator for real-time experimentation
nubbins`: i still use pico when i have need to create flat text files
asciilifeform: this leaves... emacs+slime (and an obscure, experimental variant of 'vi')
nubbins`: (this isn't often)
robwhiz22: It would not be responsible disclosure if I were to pastebin the rest of hte email here.
nubbins`: ^ AHA
nubbins`: now we're getting to it
Shakespeare: so you think it has a security flaw? then tell asciilifeform
Shakespeare: he made the damn thing
mike_c: how can you say it would not be responsible disclosure when that is exactly what the manufacturer is asking you to do.
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: you may wish to consider becoming distinguishable from a nigerian spammer
Shakespeare: also it isnt even in the wild
Shakespeare: you arent hurting anyone
nubbins`: /timer 15 ^
mircea_popescu: and moreover... the product is not deployed. any disclosure is responsible by definition
mircea_popescu: who the fuck's gonna be harmed, the flies ?
mike_c: sure it is, ascii uses it to generate his bitcoin wallets :)
robwhiz22: I wrote privately to the Polimedia office at the address at which the Cryptome announcement solicited feedback.
Shakespeare collects another coke
asciilifeform: mike_c: the rng.
asciilifeform: mike_c: 'everybody' is obsessed with the rng, but it's 1960s tech.
mike_c: not all of us can solder together our own trng
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDtgnQ0fy4
ozbot: Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham - YouTube
asciilifeform: mike_c: invest in a soldering iron. you'll be surprised at what can be made just from what people throw away.
bounce: upshot of having tech development go much faster is that now, if you're trying to dig "forgotten" tech back up, the people who originally made it might still be alive. not so much with, oh, the roman taxi meter, or things like that.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, if you like I can prepare the disclosure for public consumption. You can then release it. For obvious reasons of haste, I did not include a highly polished and edited write-up with the preliminary email.
robwhiz22: (But did included the main disclosures, which together make the current Cardano specs unfit for any purpose - although it is very close to being fit.)
nubbins`: so titillating
bounce proposes to include robwhiz22 in the premium version of the rng. such noise!
robwhiz22: You will have the write-up to do with as you want, including releasing as-is. However I do not think that type of disclosure is necessary. I would suggest you simply deploy the specific mitigations in the verison that ships.
mike_c: have you seen blogs.bitcoin-assets.com? nobody polishes their turds around here. just publish it.
mircea_popescu: i polish my turds ;/
asciilifeform: some folks flunked spam school. didn't read 'spam like a pro in 21 days!' very attentively.
mike_c: (nobody - mp). and he's not mp.
robwhiz22: But to go back to my experience - overall all of the proposals of this type that I have written have been unpublished publicly. (i.e. for internal use.)
robwhiz22: I mean the ones that were accepted and paid for. The ones that aren't accepted, I don't write.
mircea_popescu: i am not mp.
mike_c: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
mike_c: indeed you are not.
mircea_popescu: hm. i gues i am.
mircea_popescu: also, the brain specialist.
asciilifeform: we're all bourbaki.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like to buy my "how to get laid in egypt if you had a time machine" guide ?
asciilifeform: i'll be sure to pick one up before rocketing off to visit the ancients.
mircea_popescu: do consider it. bonus : no syphilis.
mircea_popescu: also no aids.
robwhiz22: By the way I did not realize that you were not shipping this item at all, since I ran across a post that says it is shipping by xmas 2013, as well as I saw prototype that seemed nearly usable.
mircea_popescu: the worst a slutty pharaoh can give you is a little itchin'.
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mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 it's not shipping yet.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, do you have a target date?
mircea_popescu: but nice going on the boundry checking lol. srsly, it works.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: we had a few, but they eventually married asciilifeform
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BingoBoingo: ;;more drama
gribble: Error: I haven't seen drama.
mircea_popescu: til gribs is blind
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, yes I thought also that it works and thought it might be shipping. For security reasons it is obviously a great benefit if it is not quite clear whether it is shipping, to whom, and in what quantities.
mircea_popescu: also for insecurities reasons.
robwhiz22: yes, also for marketing reasons :)
robwhiz22: i.e. if there is a beta phase.
mircea_popescu: why's you lot so worried about teh cardano anyway ? it's just a strong crypto device with impenetrable rng, what of it ?
mircea_popescu: the world's going there anyway.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I agree with you. I think it has a large market.
mircea_popescu: right right. anyway, review teh sec letters. nsa wants to talk it'd better not be sending me derpy proposals in the mail. get ready for a full exchange agreement, and i get to veto the next president.
mircea_popescu: i'm not the fucking french, a little respect wtf.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, thank you for the compliment :) But the proposal is not the work of an organization. I would, as stated, personally offer it. As well it has its limits and must be taken in as just an internal proposal.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, unlike the NSA which tends to hand-wave as they propose certain specific vulnerabilities without giving reasons, my reasoning is stated. This is part of why it is a bit difficult to prepare the proposal in full and I don't do it except if an initial offer is accepted.
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robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, i.e. because it must be well-thought out, detailed, and edited, with supporting arguments. It is quite a bit of work to do an internal design proposal for these reasons.
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/French/comments/22ljai/potential_phonetic_translation_of_word_i_heard/
nubbins`: my sides
nubbins`: tldr: french guy is making out with girl in bar. she says "i'm pos". guy hears "io
nubbins`: "i'm pause" and rails her
benkay: robwhiz22: why not publish your letter to polimedia here?
nubbins`: but then he can't get paid
benkay: why, someone else's going to do the security proposal thinger for cash?
nubbins`: no, if he blows his wad here for free, he can
nubbins`: 't sell it
benkay: he sent polimedia a thing tho, right?
nubbins`: having major problems with the placement of my return key here today
nubbins`: afaik he sent a coles notes version without any details
nubbins`: "click here to subscribe and keep reading" sorta thing
robwhiz22: nubbins`, I am not exactly selling that. I described it in full in the email, and I am happy to clean it up for public consumption for free, along with my follow-up proposal.
benkay: i want the notes!
nubbins`: robwhiz22: so what are you trying to sell?
robwhiz22: benkay - I didn't mean to cause you to want them. For the moment they belong only to Polimedia.
punkman: such cocktease
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/453978433098633216
ozbot: Twitter / LangoschMLB: Well, if you don't like what ...
robwhiz22: if mircea_popescu wants he can release the write-up, I will clean it up as part of the follow-up proposal.
nubbins`: so you're selling... editing services?
robwhiz22: nubbins`, I submitted a proposal to Polimedia, as part of it I gave the "notes" benkay is referring to. I didn't tease with the notes or allude to them.
benkay: mircea_popescu: would you pastebin the thing?
BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: I'll buy the notes you have so far for a princely 0.0025 BTC
kakobrekla: ill pay the same but have buttcoin instead
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fluffypony: I'll pay double but in FluffyCoin
robwhiz22: BingoBoingo, this isn't an auction. It is up to Polimedia to publish them when it is ready to do so. (If it wants to.)
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robwhiz22: Other clients I've made such submissions to (who have paid for them) use the results very happily, but do not publish my work directly. THat's the sense in which I meant it is internal.
BingoBoingo: Hmmm... mircea_popescu has been quite. I sense a Trilema coming
robwhiz22: He could be reading the emails.
robwhiz22: As I said, I didn't tease with the notes but summarized in full.
robwhiz22: Though I should edit them if they were to be posted publicly. (Something I don't suggest at this stage.)
nubbins` groans
kakobrekla: whats this about anyway
benkay: his sides!
robwhiz22: I suggest if he likes hte notes, that he accept my proposal, wait to receive the results, and then he can publish if he feels the need.
nubbins`: kakobrekla, nobody fucking knows
kakobrekla: do we get to see buttcoin or not
nubbins`: the riddler here won't tell us
BingoBoingo: Fine, I'll offer 0.01 for an authenticated Buttcoin
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I just made one in paint, will that do?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: No, a sharpie is required
BingoBoingo: Or some off brand laundry marker if you are a heathen
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: we don't get Sharpies here
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is less about the kind of marker and more what you do with it.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: *wink*
BingoBoingo: ;;google Trilema buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>
fluffypony: yeah that was mentioned earlier today
fluffypony: I've had enough scarring for one evening
nubbins`: you don't get sharpies?
fluffypony: scaring?
kakobrekla: use the fake wife?
nubbins`: where do you live, the moon? :(
fluffypony: nubbins`: apparently some stores do carry them, but they're uncommon. Staedler is massive.
robwhiz22: I have another commitment. mircea_popescu thank you for taking the time to consider the proposals. Please feel free to reply by email, including with any questions or clarificatoins.
nubbins`: what country?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: index finger or ring finger?
fluffypony: nubbins`: oh sorry, South Africa
nubbins`: ah
kakobrekla: what do you mean 'or' ?
nubbins`: wat se!
fluffypony: kakobrekla: and/or?
kakobrekla: i guess and would fit.
BingoBoingo: http://www.staedtler.com/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-laundry-319-lm-permanent-laundry-marker/
fluffypony: nubbins`: ek se niks;)
nubbins`: :D
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: NO WAY! It has my name on the shirt!
fluffypony: well the short form anyway
fluffypony: it's like its fate
fluffypony: <3
kakobrekla: your name is Laundry ?
nubbins`: ^
fluffypony: kakobrekla: Laundryopolous, actually
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: we just need to work out a message for you to write, so we know it is really you nao
kakobrekla: thats not a name.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: you caught me
kakobrekla: apparent as garr.
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
fluffypony: Ƀ1.4893
fluffypony: eugh
fluffypony: http://bitcoinsymbol.org <- they need to stfu
BingoBoingo: Garr:
BingoBoingo: http://www.lukegilman.com/high-on-the-hog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alligator-gar-hunting-trini.jpg
kakobrekla: myea, hard to hide
BingoBoingo: Garr is one ugly fish
BingoBoingo: http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/Pages/SOUL_ReadTeach.html
ozbot: Readings & Teachings
BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/the-ultimate-warrior-was-an-insane-dick-1561275496
ozbot: The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick
pLambert: which is better, python or lisp?
BingoBoingo: Depends on what you are doing
Naphex: java?
Naphex: ;o
fluffypony: pLambert: php all the way, this guy confirms: https://twitter.com/php_ceo/
daybyter: java!
pLambert: fluffypony: why does he use ALL CAPS?
fluffypony: pLambert: because he's the PHP CEO!
fluffypony: I'm sure this one hit hard: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/441222994296180736
Naphex: probably the fake php ceo
Naphex: real php ceo would use a mix of all caps, camel case, underlines, and dashes
fluffypony: hah hah
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BingoBoingo: And B=======D
Naphex: they should've used that as a namespace separator
Shakespeare: this is kinda funny
Shakespeare: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bitcoin-money-supply-lags-guatemalan-quetzal-UI5wDhT7RfqlWkKMRGTp2A.html
ozbot: Bitcoin Money Supply Lags Guatemalan Quetzal: Video - Bloomberg
kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/WRP5DsD.gif
benkay: whassat Shakespeare ?
Shakespeare: idiots showing data as if it matters
Shakespeare: and then derping
Shakespeare: shows USD supply as big boner and bitcoin as laughable
Shakespeare: it's only a couple mins
benkay: i guess cuz increase in monetary supply is good
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benkay: asciilifeform: what's the story with haskell?
Naphex: benkay: you use it to experiment and have some fun, then switch to something else for real life
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00011605 = 0.1161 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 will be interesting how this sorts out
ozbot: 994033 – Most StartSSL certs will stay compromised
kakobrekla: look jurov your friends
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563793.0
ozbot: New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB"
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jurov: ;;later tell davout "We are searching for someone to help us lodge a complaint with AMF, can you recommend anyone? This bourse stuff is completely lame but he's too persistent."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
daybyter: Naphex: you do java?
Apocalyptic: jurov, i would go http://www.amf-france.org/Formulaires-et-declarations/Contact.html?lst_select_form_theme_id=signalement
jurov: i know but it's better to competently translate it to french
Apocalyptic: and on the scrolldown chose "Présomption d'offre irrégulière de produits ou de services financiers"
Naphex: daybyter: java, c, py, whatever i might need
Naphex: but for serious stuff i usually prefer java
daybyter: me too!
Naphex: throw in some C optimizations if things are slow
daybyter: I write trade stuff in java...
Apocalyptic: java...
benkay: ofc a java guy sez to abandon haskell for real world stuff
Apocalyptic: hum bitcointalk.org still haven't replaced their SSL cert
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daybyter: https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib
MisterE: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/04/edward-snowden-interview
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jurov: Apocalyptic: how do you know? I rerequested them at comodo and they issued them with same date as original ones
Apocalyptic: jurov, that's weird
Diablo-D3: Apocalyptic: almost all of them dont change the date on the new ones
Apocalyptic: i assumed they would indeed update the date
Diablo-D3: why would they do something that makes sense
nubbins`: kako dat gif
nubbins`: " In response to whispers in the intelligence community that Snowden has “a doomsday cache” in his possession, Snowden retorts, “Who would set up a system that incentivizes others to kill them?”"
nubbins`: lel, +1
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nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiArBwMnTA
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jurov: http://pastebin.com/mAxugvj9 wooow that was quick
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thestringpuller: nubbins`: i want to pay off the rest for that painting
thestringpuller: i know it won't make it to the conference
thestringpuller: but better late than never eh?
thestringpuller: ;D
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: indeed it is!
BingoBoingo: jurov: Does the dude do anything other than stalk you and make scams?
nubbins`: ;;ticker --last
gribble: 442.06
nubbins`: ;;calc 400/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.904854544632
nubbins`: ^ :)
jurov: if he stalked me he'd perhaps know i have no gold&silver company
mike_c: amf = sec?
jurov: yes
pankkake: "your shares will be frozen" now, that is actual blackmail
BingoBoingo: jurov: Never suggested he was effectual in it
jurov: yes, that will definitely go into the complaint
jurov: and the shares were almost completely useless since the beginning
jurov: but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it
jurov: "i will inform all shareholders about your doings."
kakobrekla: can we get the same message again, but this time without the shuffle() ?
jurov: lol the more i reread it the funnier it is
nubbins`: about your dongs
jurov: what is shuffled?
kakobrekla: nevermind, its a metajoke
fluffypony: right, bed time
fluffypony: night all
kakobrekla: but i feels good knowing at least someone is reading ze logs
kakobrekla: hi markus!
Apocalyptic: "money laundering like you do with gold &
Apocalyptic: silver company will bring you to prison!" dafuq
Apocalyptic: you're selling precious metals jurov ?
jurov: no, he thinks i'm with company together with forensick (martin)
jurov: but dunno if he actually sells metals, either
Apocalyptic: guy seems to be butthurt and scared pretty bad to write such a piece
jurov: he definitely is
Mats_cd03: fucking lol
Mats_cd03: > you are all only critic the people who are more clever than you!
jurov: --> dotcoin (5d10ab51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.81) is here ... welcome :)
dotcoin: hello jurov
dotcoin: once more a story from you
Mats_cd03: i hear dotcoin is a qt
dotcoin: tell me why you want file a complaint on AMF
BingoBoingo: Oh, I won't go hungry today. Not with Mr Word Salad here.
Apocalyptic: they're coming dotcoin, it's too late
Mats_cd03: what organization does he operate
jurov: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/new-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse-hedge-fund-btc-hfb.296970/
dotcoin: your name makes me afraid Apolcalyptic
ozbot: New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB" | Bitcointa.lk
jurov: dotcoin if you did not lock your threads on trolltalk, i'd write this in all of them
Mats_cd03: oh yeah this guy
Apocalyptic: dotcoin, that's good
Mats_cd03: dotcoin, be a clever man and cut your losses
jurov: i don't need nor want to explain more
Mats_cd03: you are in shark waters not a kiddie pool
dotcoin: i like funny guys like you
Mats_cd03: youll enjoy a legal battle several years from now and end up indebted to creditors
dotcoin: no eggs and behind a keyboard
Mats_cd03: or maybe you'll just skip go, not collect 200, and go straight to prison
dotcoin: trolls day compled because no work?
Mats_cd03: have a nice day
dotcoin: So waste time here, tell the AMF they can sue me after they have declared Bitcoin as Money or currency, N8 at all
chairman_meow: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
pankkake: dooglus stole it all?
chairman_meow: wtf
pankkake: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
pankkake: definitively broken
chairman_meow: had a mini heart attack there. thought my coins were gone
mike_c: bang jd breaks when they change IP addresses
chairman_meow: are there any other gambling sites I can invest in?
chairman_meow: I dont wanna put all my coins in just-dive
chairman_meow: *dice
jurov: chairman_meow: how much?
chairman_meow: jurov: it doesnt matter really
pankkake: I tried https://ice-dice.com/ for a while, but I don't really have any reason to trust it
pankkake: a calculator of expected gains would be nice, as each have different invested/volume ratios, I suppose
wao-ender: chairman_meow: let's spin at https://coinroll.it/
chairman_meow: really, the owners of jd can run away with the money and live a good life
daybyter: any designers here interested to help with a smartphone app?
wao-ender: you mean dooglus?
mike_c: well, the invested/volume is constantly changing. you can see historical monthly jd returns here: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/
pankkake: wild idea: create a meta investment arbitraging between dice sites
pankkake: of course, you're adding new risks
chairman_meow: arbitrage between dice sites? how?
mike_c: there's no arbitrage. but you mean just switching like mining pools do?
pankkake: yes
mike_c: JD is 2 orders of magnitude bigger. not sure there's much switching to be done.
thestringpuller: geeze #bitcoin-otc is just full of n00bs these days
pankkake: I see
thestringpuller: what the actual fuck
pankkake: or scammers posing as noobs?
thestringpuller: no otc is to buy/sell btc right
thestringpuller: no one is selling or buying
thestringpuller: they are just in their wanking off
thestringpuller: eternal september?
bounce: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/
bounce: app protects from malware by... er, giving you the ability to set and remove a check mark in a shield?
daybyter: my app could do more...
bounce: but does your app have a 4.7 star rating?
pankkake: I remember some similar windows applications, claimed to speed up your computer etc.
jurov: the monitor cleaner was better
pankkake: placebo applications
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU << that shit's creepy as fuck
chairman_meow: please don't be gayporn
jborkl: well it does kinda look like a goth dude with bib boobs
jborkl: big
mircea_popescu: <jurov> but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it << i'll tweet you.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> what is shuffled? << remember how the logs were messed up on april 1st ? and someone said "omfg the log now reads like the forum" ? well, that.
jurov: yes? i completely missed that up
kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=93
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
bounce: unintentional correct use of term of art.
mircea_popescu: eval(translate(intoalanguage(<dotcoin> trolls day compled because no work?))) === ?
jborkl: mircea, I have about half of bcoinnews.com redone - see if you think it is too busy when you have a sec
jborkl: If you don't mind :)
mircea_popescu: jborkl http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140409_25_11JA/
mircea_popescu: main problem would be... it takes like a minute to pop.
jborkl: ah ok, I know what to do about that then- thank you
mircea_popescu: also i dunno why you'd recommend anyone upgrade to 9.1. more like downgrade to 6.3 or something.
jborkl: well, anthing before .8 wont work anymore right?
mircea_popescu: http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-neptune-update/ < i see three boxes around article. any reason ?
ozbot: KNCminer Neptune update | Bitcoin news
mircea_popescu: but otherwise imo much improvement.
mircea_popescu: jborkl .4 works, what, you kidding ?
jborkl: I thought they switched DB and said it was not compatible
jborkl: maybe they just said that
jborkl: never actually tried it to see, oh mining against bitcoind wouldnt work
jborkl: if you did not switch
mircea_popescu: it works just fine, you have to actually add a db config
jborkl: well, I know if you upgraded to the .8? or newer you would then have to dl the old blockchain to use a prior version. I remember it created - anyway I did not know you could still use the old versions
jborkl: very good to know
mircea_popescu: sure you can use them. the last hardfork was made by satoshi himself, if memory serves moving from .3
mircea_popescu: nobody hence perceived he'd have the authority to do so (and rightly)
thestringpuller: so version .9 is completely broken?
thestringpuller: it seems we are better off writing our own bitcoin client at this point...
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoind
gribble: Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time>; Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/>; It's called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/its-called-eulora>
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more implementations can't hurt.
jborkl: fixed that strangeness with the borders, for some reason WP decided it needed a bunch of <tr> and <td> tags
mircea_popescu: but i wouldn't trust anything coming from the powerfully retarded rangers. they tried to get heartbleed into bitcoin, who knows what else they've baked into there we don't know about.
chairman_meow: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
mircea_popescu: might as well just deposit your btc with the local court if you swing that way.
jborkl: well, they did give us the hardfork a year ago..
mircea_popescu: it didn't actually fork tho.
Apocalyptic: mighty hearn did
pankkake: I like this in 0.9: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2121
asciilifeform: if i recall, bitcoind has some relatively 'dirty' (changes in recent years) library deps
asciilifeform: berkeley db?
jborkl: well yes you are correct. it went the wrong direction lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04849999 = 0.291 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03540005 = 0.1416 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah bdb
asciilifeform: 'you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.'
jborkl: iirc it was a block that had over 1000 transaction in it
jborkl: and they didnt test that out first to see what happened
jborkl: Slush took a left and everyone else took a right
chairman_meow: there was summation bug that allowed a transaction to output a truckload of coins
chairman_meow: when it was fixed, the chain was hard forked
mircea_popescu: chairman_meow this in like 2010 tho
jborkl: mircea, I just went ahead and got a VPS
jborkl: I needed root anyway
benkay: asciilifeform: would protobufs be one of those dirty changes?
asciilifeform: quite a few. dig if you like.
asciilifeform: think like enemy. where would you put the surprise egg?
Mats_cd03: in my butt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03504 = 0.1752 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0485 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00758175 = 0.2502 BTC [+] {6}
jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/04/10/BitcoinBeware davout mircea_popescu
ozbot: BitcoinBeware - serialized delusions
pankkake: shouldn't it be "I invested" instead of "I have invested"?
jurov: changed into "I did invest"
jurov: anything else?
pankkake: missing space after December 2013: (always irks me :p)
nubbins`: found some massive scallops in the freezer
Shakespeare: non-existant
Shakespeare: non-existent*
nubbins`: just had an epic dinner with them
nubbins`: ;;google .yt tld
gribble: .yt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yt>; Register .YT Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix Mayotte, Registrar ...: <https://iwantmyname.com/domains/yt-mahoran-domain-name-registration-for-mayotte>; yt Domains - Domain Who is by 101Domain.com: <http://www.101domain.com/yt.htm>
nubbins`: well, TIL.
nubbins`: so my friend was over earlier and he showed me this new book he'd bought
nubbins`: it's an exact reprinting of the first edition of the king james bible
nubbins`: complete with typos, typesetting errors, etc
nubbins`: lots of paragraph marks, entire blank pages, etc
nubbins`: apparently this caused no small amount of consternation when first published
jurov: thx pankkake
mike_c: great post jurov. "no one was interested to buy my shares" -> "no one was interested in buying my shares".
jurov: yup
mircea_popescu: btw if we ever actually start a religion, we can have the reincarnation cycle.
mircea_popescu: bad doobies have to hash by hand until they find a block
mircea_popescu: that's nirvana
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014506 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5}
cgcardona_: Church of Sudo. Cult of the Super User. Order of Root.
cgcardona_: those are some names I've kicked around
cgcardona_: "In Crypto We Trust" "In the BlockChain We Trust" "We are One on the Web"
cgcardona_: (regarding the 'if we ever actually start a religion' comment)
mike_c: I was looking at armory the other day and they mentioned they were never going to cut the cord with bitcoind for fear of creating a fork.
Mats_cd03: hmm s.mpoe is back to 0.000965
mike_c: it seems having a popular alternate client is actually a good opportunity to write a new client by calculating shit yourself and comparing against what bitcoind does.
mike_c: lots of in-the-wild use, meaning lots of test cases
pankkake: and yet it's now storing a whole separate indexed blockchain
pankkake: so bitcoind isn't used for much except read blocks and push txs
mike_c: and it doesn't seem hard to process those yourself, and then see if your code would have done the same thing.
mike_c: if no 'virtual forks' for a year, then presto. new reference client.
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343503.0
ozbot: [ANN] Protocoin - a pure Python Bitcoin protocol implementation
dignork: pankkake, there is pretty usefull SPV electrum client, no bitcoind marriage
pankkake: but I suppose the electrum servers rely on bitcoind
dignork: pankkake, yep
jurov: they are dreaming about rebuilding electrum server on sx, but i don't cross my fingers
jurov: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/454029472757719040 thanks!
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Jurov sez beware ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11468 @ 0.00096258 = 11.0389 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: what do you guys use for IRC?
Duffer1: mirc/xchat?
Azelphur: TIME TO MAKE EVERYONE HATE ME. Pidgin.
Duffer1: "P
Duffer1: :P
dignork: Duffer1, weechat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Duffer1: pm
pankkake: irssi, planning to go weechat one day
Duffer1: thanks i'll check them out
Azelphur: In other news, I met some guy today locally because he wants to set up a bitcoin meetup in my area, he's not very techy just interested in coin, he casually mentioned to me he bought a BFL miner and that he plugged the supply into UK mains and blew it and asked if I could help, went and took a look...
Azelphur: turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in the box doing nothing...since November
Azelphur: I still can't believe that just happened
Azelphur: for those not in the know, if he had that running since November, he'd have made about $20k worth of BTC.
Duffer1: did you tell him?
Azelphur: yup
Duffer1: did he cry?
Azelphur: he was just like "Oh well"
Duffer1: poor guy
Azelphur: indeed
Mats_cd03: Duffer1: irccloud is the tits
Duffer1: thanks Mats
mod6: Duffer1: irssi++
mod6: used to use BitchX like 15 years ago or more. finally, after years of people telling me about irssi, switched.
Duffer1: i'm tired of browser IRC, time to get a real program
pankkake: xchat is probably the easiest to start with
mod6: yeah, its nice to get a client running on a *nix host, if for no other reason, you can run it in a screen session and then attach/detach
Mats_cd03: i rather like browser irc, irccloud maintains a persistent connection
Mats_cd03: so its basically screen/irssi without any hassle
Duffer1: but i don't irc anywhere other than my desktop anyways though
Mats_cd03: https://public.bn1.livefilestore.com/y2phoIfiYJoK42afiJxQTf_9u5b01-x2I939I7u32nHqsKxuoOKDwJxl70MjD6CjeetX5FMJxUMStObRmMVApTxFRu49kRktBJO90g9OjqGCSo/IRC%20Cloud%20Channel%20Screenshot%201.png?psid=1&rdrts=71711565
mod6: hassle!?
mod6: no hassle with nix+screen+irssi ;)
Mats_cd03: yes, i find using terminal on my phone tedious
mod6: oh. well, lol.
mod6: get a computer?
pankkake: if you're a heavy irc user, then irssi certainly isn't a hassle
Mats_cd03: (irccloud has an android client)
pankkake: it's also my IM client (through minbif)
Mats_cd03: i know im shilling hard here but seriously its good
Duffer1: hehe
mod6: ive used my screen+irssi via connectbot on my phone a bunch. works for reading stuff, but not so great for conversing. better to just read the log instead.
benkay: (erc)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3100 @ 0.0001152 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {4}
dignork: screen+weechat over mosh, absolutely amazing!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
dignork: are there any other words that assbot is excited about?
phf: benkay: the only client there is
mod6: omg yikes, an emacs client?!
mod6 runs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05553388 = 1.1107 BTC [-] {5}