mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/01D6H49
assbot: dpaste: 01D6H49 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT2sZt )
asciilifeform: i got a snapshot btw
danielpbarron: F2 D0 E4 FE A2 5B ED F8 DD AC 6E C7 51 30 4A 5C B5 C2 59 25 50 BA 33 1C 05 16 B5 A9 B6 92 93 41
mircea_popescu: and keys.mattrude doth not exist.
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2X4QF2C << mine
assbot: dpaste: 2X4QF2C ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2cwGN )
mike_c: those are the same cert, no?
mircea_popescu: seems we're all seeing the same certs.
mircea_popescu: keyserver.matts and matts show the same ; keys.matts and key.matts do not exist. he moved.
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1X7FSYP << on dulap
assbot: dpaste: 1X7FSYP ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2cP4v )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123055 << good one lol☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 20:49:22; fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123058 << actually, romania in this case.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 20:51:28; trinque: is this the only political issue in the region, whether to be eaten by the EU or Russia?
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0M8QV5T.txt << signed manifest (by me)
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT33dx )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123059 << some, yeah, but i dun has teh time these days ;/☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 20:53:54; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/de-ce-coruptia-nu-va-putea-fi-niciodata-eliminata/ << any interest in translating this for the non-romanian-speakers like me ?
mircea_popescu: all this derping about "an eight of its gpd" - eh get bent, so that's six week's worth ? get back to work.
mircea_popescu: governments routinely steal 20 years' worth of labour offa people, i don't recall the protests.
BingoBoingo: http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/7.62x39mm/pictures/7.62x39mm-20140531_094618.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT3mVK )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, chinese rounds ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes
asciilifeform: who the fuck buys this
BingoBoingo: No idea
mircea_popescu: !up qntranet
BingoBoingo: Would buy for the box though
BingoBoingo: Hello visitor
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123089 << eh, you're drastically underestimating the actual distaste for russia among european people. even the ukrs.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:02:32; ascii_field: when demented premier moves the map - ok. when usg moves the map (independence 'referendum') - also ok. when ru moves - somehow not.
asciilifeform: under?!
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: considering that i regard ww2 as still on - hard to 'under.'
mircea_popescu: hehe. so yeah, referendum. i dun think it had to be manipulated much.
mircea_popescu: by which i mean, i dun think it needed much more than tv stations, ipads, the usual stuff.
mircea_popescu: just keeping the ru style away, is enough for referendum win.
mircea_popescu: !up SquirtPrincess
SquirtPrincess: thxs <3
mircea_popescu: how goes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123101 << the russians wanna maintain form, they can also go back to original muscovy duchy or something :D☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:06:47; trinque: ascii_field: does make all of it sound like russia's trying to maintain form, while nato's trying thwart this as it can
mircea_popescu: original soviet empire was historically the result of the race to asia they had with the uk, and it's certainly not above revisionism.
mircea_popescu: current russia... probably safer. but does not include small russians, caucauss etc.
trinque googles it
trinque: seems like this "ethnic russians" thing has been kicking a while
SquirtPrincess: pretty good, u
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nato program is to cut into bantustans infinitely finely if allowed.
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: you will note there's nothing nato about it. we intend to do the same thing, to all nato, to china, to russia etc.
mircea_popescu: it's just the reasonable agenda.
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: a buncha countries the size of one.
mircea_popescu: and it is, obviously, for their own good and safety.
mircea_popescu: because if they get large... se umfla tarita-n ei, as the romanian expression goes.
mircea_popescu: the oats the[ir heads] contain become inflamed and they start imagining they may do various stupid shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00021551 = 12.0686 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: hilariously, orlov & mr mold agree on this precise program in this precise formulation.
asciilifeform: (but, naturally, disagree on the recipe)
mircea_popescu: notrly proposing a recipe myself. wisdom of age :D
asciilifeform: i only know recipe 'wait for corpse to float by'
BingoBoingo: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning! << Make your own lower reciever without crowdfunding , CNC, or 3D printing!!!
assbot: DIY: Shovel AK - photo tsunami warning! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DT5j4u )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: we did this one here
asciilifeform: !s shovel ak
assbot: 0 results for 'shovel ak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=shovel+ak
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: famously, it's what lu zhi did.
mircea_popescu: except not exactly by the side of the river.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We talked about the idea, but I dunno if we got to instructions
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is this very characteristic and endemic derpsyndrome, where folks make the easiest part of a mechanism - whether it is the non-pressurized part of a rifle, or the non-drivery part of an os kernel - and stroke their cocks in self-congratulatory wankbacchanalia
asciilifeform: it needs a name.
asciilifeform: perhaps mircea_popescu can suggest one.
trinque: is that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os then screams about lisp at everyone?
asciilifeform: nah that's ordinary drunken bender
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: the shovel handle, kernel, etc. remind of the fable with the drunkard who searched for his lost keys 'where the light is'
mircea_popescu: i thought it was the new jersey approach ?
asciilifeform: new jersey approach is when you do this and then craft the missing but necessary parts out of own shit
asciilifeform: i am referring to the disease where the need for the remaining pieces is not perceived at all - or, if perceived, sufferer is content to crib from somewhere else while pretending he did not include them at all
asciilifeform: (as in the 'rump kernel' example from last night)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140523 @ 0.0002159 = 30.3389 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: To be fair to forum muppet he united the shovel handle stock to a lower reciever made from the spade. At least FOR NOW the lower reciever is the purchase restricted part.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems just normal progression.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc in most of the planet it is the barrel.
mircea_popescu: replace shit with farts.
BingoBoingo: Just the Cody Wilson fellow proposes the same thing for the AR-15 yet rewuires CNC
asciilifeform: which is logical - most difficult to machine piece.
BingoBoingo: Yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218877 @ 0.00022389 = 49.0044 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: But in USia barrel is roughly as easy to purchase from "Rural King" as shovel
asciilifeform: for now.
asciilifeform: scarcity of barrels (or, more likely, shells) is a 'when' not 'if.'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, china during lu zhi is a very interesting case study. anyone recall the episode when the much more powerful mongols sent an emissary with practically that day's equivalent of PUA wisdom,
mircea_popescu: which pissed her off to the degree she ~wanted~ to declare war. except then she realise the mongols are about three times as strong as the chinese, so instead just wrote humble apology about being old and frail and bald,
danielpbarron: "My awesome and super-collectible Romy kit included kick-ass furniture, like this gas tube with "Mihaela" on it and 12 notches. I don't get it, Mihaela is a Romanian female name and the guy only scored 12 of them."
mircea_popescu: and continued to send over women and money to maintain peace
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ahaha srsly ?
danielpbarron: from bingo's url
BingoBoingo: Yeah
mircea_popescu: (hint, the fmj habit of naming the gun is not invented in us"
danielpbarron names his computers after women of the Bible
BingoBoingo: Usually guns like boats get girly names
BingoBoingo: Ex. Titanic named after his ex's dress size
asciilifeform: 'this is your rifle; that is your gun; this one's for fighting; that one's - for fun.' (TM) (R)
danielpbarron: there are many like it, but this one is mine
danielpbarron: without me, it is useless; without it, I am useless.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00021372 = 3.9431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167600 @ 0.00021413 = 35.8882 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173986 @ 0.00022426 = 39.0181 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: asciilifeform: re: valgrind < are you running valgrind on the poor little pogo or on an x86?
asciilifeform: the latter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 168173 @ 0.0002261 = 38.0239 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 3v?
asciilifeform: 3-7
asciilifeform: 3 is the rated.
asciilifeform: observe polarity
asciilifeform: (there is no protection)
ben_vulpes: and it's ground signal power when the thing is pointing up and the shield facing the user?
decimation: ben_vulpes: are you soldering the serial lines to the pogo?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct
asciilifeform: decimation: he's playing with a cardano rng
ben_vulpes: decimation: nono, entirely different thinger
decimation: asciilifeform: did you order up a batch from that macrofab place?
asciilifeform: decimation: as described in latest broadcast
asciilifeform: but ben_vulpes has one of the early samples.
decimation: excellent news
asciilifeform: in other news, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26894024/subprocess-check-output-module-object-has-out-attribute-check-output << example of why python needs to die in a fire
assbot: python - subprocess.check_output() module object has out attribute 'check_output' - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JRqfkM )
decimation: asciilifeform: because they keep dicking around with the standard library?
decimation: 'standard'
asciilifeform: pestilentially.
decimation: yeah, that's really annoying
decimation: I wonder if guido has given up on python 3 yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.00021637 = 14.5401 BTC [-]
decimation: http://sealedabstract.com/rants/python-3-is-fine/ < nope, they are still digging their hole. "However one argument that definitely does not work is “you should work on Python 2 because that would make my life as a commercial software developer easier”. The fact that Python 2 and commercial software developers had a symbiotic relationship at all was a happy coincidence, never a goal. The goal was “produce a language that Guido
assbot: Python 3 is fine | Sealed Abstract ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ8s7c )
decimation: van Rossum and the other volunteer developers enjoy.” "
decimation: ^ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122624 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 16:43:40; mircea_popescu: "o no, that's what i had really meant to do!11"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ground signal power from left to right, correct?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha
asciilifeform: (it didn't change since you last asked!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79075 @ 0.00021748 = 17.1972 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: well hey i could have been asking about from right to left
ben_vulpes: aha my retardation knows no bounds
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the entropy analysis tool?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: take your pick
asciilifeform: 'ent', 'diehard'
asciilifeform: didja actually process the input ?
ben_vulpes: notyet
ben_vulpes: capture, debias, run through diehard/ent?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: experiment with things such as varying sample rate, etc.
asciilifeform: shield on/off
asciilifeform: use imagination.
ben_vulpes: ofc ofc
ben_vulpes: i just want to make sure my protocol's sound
ben_vulpes: so there's nothing beyond capture and then debias that needs doing for postprocessing?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what did you think there was ?
ben_vulpes: i'm just confirming!
asciilifeform: the one other thing one can reasonably do it distill
asciilifeform: which is to say, xor over a buffer
asciilifeform: *is
asciilifeform: (see 'xor lemma' in logs)
decimation: my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu keys are batch-converting on dulap. after they're done, will be pumped in locally.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00021578 = 12.0405 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: meanwhile...
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000091.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNnbUr )
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag)
scoopbot_revived: Phuctor Begins Processing SKS Keyserver Dump http://qntra.net/2015/05/phuctor-begins-processing-sks-keyserver-dump/
mircea_popescu: ha! nice.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: No Such lAbs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform load average: 0.94 << need like 7 more workers ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Fixd
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123100 << really, vlasov mostly helped the czechs.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:06:37; pete_dushenski: who other than vlasov's army helped germans ? and why were they spared ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke Massif Output (without 'pages as heap' flag) << thanks asciilifeform!!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123111 << is this where they covered the chinese in grad fired missiles ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:09:31; ascii_field: (damansk)
mircea_popescu: it's an important point, perhaps where the chinese got the idea that they should center their force around rocketry.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123122 << there's no such thing as "defensive". it simply means 'our weapons', as opposed to the enemy's (those are offensive).☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:11:51; jurov: ru ever tried to ship defensive systems to cuba?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123137 << the only response to independence, from the point of view of self-appointed "master of the universe", is "trying to bleed them out". obviously.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:15:40; jurov: trying to bleed ru out, again
mircea_popescu: the alternative would be to learn to live with fragmented sovereignity, which would require giving up pretty much everything the west has come to stand on.
mircea_popescu: such as the idea that their sexual preferences are given by god.
ben_vulpes: dieharder requires gsl-devel
decimation: asciilifeform: your massif dump has c++ standard vector bullshit
ben_vulpes dives into entropy quest
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123167 << the only lulzy thing here is just how broke cantor fitzgerald is these days.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 21:42:45; pete_dushenski: 'gtbc' update : cantor fitzgerald has a 100 share buy order for at $25.00. 52wk range: $37.98 - $94.86. heh.
mircea_popescu: seriously, ten bitcoins ? what did they do, make every woman in the office show me her tits ?
mircea_popescu: Submissions:6590 ftr.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.00021215 = 12.188 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: error "Please use <stdarg.h> instead of <varargs.h>"
ben_vulpes: great.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1123223 << me chuckles at vice.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 22:49:48; cazalla: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/unless-everyone-using-bitcoin-makes-this-radical-change-the-currency-will-die (block size limit rubbish)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993 and probably the last tiem anyone actually compiled it was back when paris hilton was still a virgin
danielpbarron: http://shitco.in/2015/05/07/bitfinex-appears-to-have-crossed-streams-btc-crash-on-hold/
assbot: shitco.in | BitFinex Appears To Have Crossed Streams, BTC Crash On Hold ... ( http://bit.ly/1dOM0EA )
mircea_popescu: seriously, how inept do they need to be, these people. "unless everyone X currency will die" is ~exactly~ the wrong thing to say. everyone will not, currency will not die, now suddenly vice has [even more] egg on its face.
mircea_popescu: it's like... they're so stupid and trying to hard they're just giving me free gains.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron bitfinex was at no point in its existence anything but a [very thinly veiled] scam.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: did you compile dieharder?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i didn't run it, either.
mircea_popescu: but by "god's work" i mean, a very good thing to do.
danielpbarron: i'm more interested in the site reporting it; who is this mike1337?
decimation: wow vice is really at the cutting edge of responsible journalism
mircea_popescu: !s mike1337
assbot: 0 results for 'mike1337' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mike1337
mircea_popescu: name's actually vaguely familiar, intel must have had him in something or the other.
danielpbarron: who also calls himself "goat" (same goat as on forum?)
mircea_popescu: nope
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform load average: 0.94 << need like 7 more workers ? << 1) still converting 2) we're a serial operation, thinkaboutit
mircea_popescu: ow shit.
asciilifeform: <decimation> asciilifeform: your massif dump has c++ standard vector bullshit << sure does
asciilifeform: uncensored sewage, aha
decimation: asciilifeform: std_vector is one of those things that c++philes love (it just works!!), but when examined - contains refined turd juice
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes getting that shit to compile is god's work. i imagine alf's set is untouched since 1993... l0l:
asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
asciilifeform: -rw-rw-r-- 1 portage portage 1149780 Oct 14 2011 /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
decimation: for instance, with std_vector, try resizing a vector without initializing the elements
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a, not bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24141 @ 0.00021214 = 5.1213 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60792 @ 0.00021748 = 13.221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192857 @ 0.00022579 = 43.5452 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171843 @ 0.00022666 = 38.9499 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hmmm... who used to run <[]bot> ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen <[]bot>
gribble: Error: "" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen []bot
gribble: Error: "" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen \[\]bot
gribble: Error: "\" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen "[]bot"
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, wanna add bitbet reporting to the scoopbot_revived activity ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135900 @ 0.00022666 = 30.8031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115750 @ 0.0002269 = 26.2637 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123468 << gotta appreciate that approach.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:26:56; decimation: van Rossum and the other volunteer developers enjoy.” "
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, judging by how using things made by other people is going, i guess bitcoin will be its own language before this dustball settles.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123487 << stuff like pointing RF sources at it, probably most interesting.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:48:00; ben_vulpes: ofc ofc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123496 "'round, red, right, ridge' " has no hits in google. do tell this story ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 02:51:45; decimation: my grandpa taught me 'round, red, right, ridge' - the 'hot' poem
decimation: I donno, he just told me that's what I should remember for the hot, power, + side
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron : found your guy. https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/#comment-95863 etc
assbot: Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsyvV1 )
assbot: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsyvV3 )
decimation: http://research.noaa.gov/News/NewsArchive/LatestNews/TabId/684/ArtMID/1768/ArticleID/11153/Greenhouse-gas-benchmark-reached-.aspx < great news, aerial fertilizer rates are up!
assbot: Greenhouse gas benchmark reached ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jsz9lr )
mircea_popescu: im not gonna read that. tldr ?
decimation: co2 reached 400 ppm on the top of the hawaii volcano
mircea_popescu: aok
decimation: apparently the new approach to sound science is to pr datapoints as they happen
decimation: I misremembered my grandfather's saying: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_and_ring
assbot: Tip and ring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dORv6g )
decimation: "ring-right-red-ridge"
decimation: he was a telephoneman
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116616 < assuming 5 character words plus space, that would be 255 wpm☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 03:49:15; mircea_popescu: "I have typed an average of 21.3 keystrokes per second" eh gtfo.
mircea_popescu: ikr.
decimation: actually very good stenographers can achieve that
decimation: but they are 'typing shorthad'
mircea_popescu: keystrokes. he said keystrokes.
decimation: shorthand
decimation: yeah exactly
decimation: not possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73162 @ 0.00022045 = 16.1286 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen to a two hour lab report, write down three lines and then reproduce it exactly.
mircea_popescu: so what, 5400 wpm
BingoBoingo: Also while rotating
decimation: even the Victorians only had reaction times of around 100 ms
decimation: I submit a human doing anything that involves any degree of thought at a rate of greater than 10 per second is neigh impossible
mircea_popescu: depends how structurable it is , see ?
decimation: maybe he was only typing the letter 'a'
decimation: or asdfjkl;
mircea_popescu: if the discussion revolves around a tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch, this is readily 3k items being discussed.
mircea_popescu: a simple serial iteration of "x as expected y as expected" can be followed and remembered momentarily.
mircea_popescu: a lot of science works exactly like this.
decimation: yes, but I thought that you couldn't model language in this way
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the massive savings of mental energy this relative approach offers is why we even have scientific paradigms in the first place
mircea_popescu: their absence, on the other hand, is why gentoo sucks.
mircea_popescu: that list of defaults is what makes or breaks any intellectual endeavour.
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mircea_popescu: decimation scientific language specifically.
mircea_popescu: it deliberately and constructively is NOT natural language.
decimation: because to go over the list of all assumptions made before saying anything would prevent anyone from doing anything
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/ << here's me lambasting romanioan "linguists" (they don't actually exist, just a buncha pretenders filling a void). sadly in romanian
assbot: Hai sa studiem gramatica impreuna on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsAvMQ )
mircea_popescu: the important bit for this convo being "nimeni nu are timp sa citeasca textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de
mircea_popescu: zbat amplu, se fixeaza definitiv, si apoi toti participantii la discutie le folosesc exact. Folosiri creative creeaza confuzie, si sunt de fapt principala bariera intre profesionisti si amatori in orice domeniu. Atunci esti admis ca profesionist in orice disciplina cind lumea considera ca ti se poate oferi increderea ca nu vei folosi niciodata, nicicand, niciunde, nici un termen de arta in sens impropriu. De asta se fa
mircea_popescu: c patru ani de scoala la drept si opt ani de scoala la medicina, creativitatea prost aplicata poate costa vieti, darima poduri, nenoroci destine. E INTERZISA."
mircea_popescu: nobody has time to read specialty text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not a novel, its science, you read ten thousand pages a year minimum.
mircea_popescu: to support work efficiency in science there are employed certain words and fixed structures, whose meanings are amply debated, definitivwely fixated and then every participant uses them exactly. creative usage creates confusion, and are in fact the main barrier between the pro and the amateur in any field.
mircea_popescu: at that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider that you may be trusted to never, ever, anywhere, use a term of art improperly. this is why they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives, topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN.
decimation: yes, which is why any profession worth a shit has a comprehensive specialty dictionary for exactly this reason
mircea_popescu: http://sealedabstract.com/things-im-working-on/ << reading through this list was an adventure. first (caffeine bit, autogenerated code subnode) i suspected the guy was simply reiserfs insane. by the time i got to zynga...
assbot: Things I'm working on | Sealed Abstract ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsB1ui )
mircea_popescu: srsly, "not evil but good" "not reddit as much" ? incredible how stupid forms fucking stupid crystals.
mircea_popescu: decimation yep.
decimation: yeah with nutzos like that in their corner, python 3 is going to the moon!
mircea_popescu: the point stil lremains tho. "stop trying to build your company out of our fucking hobby. hire some engineers, fucking cheapskates."
mircea_popescu: harlan's monologue comes to mind.
mircea_popescu: "“They want everything for nothing. They wouldn’t go for five seconds without being paid. And they’ll bitch about how much they’re paid, and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and a tin cup on the street? Fuck, no."
mircea_popescu: further in defense of the nuts : "Nick Coghlan’s document should really be a required citation for any article advancing a new course for Python, because nobody is going to take you seriously if you don’t address" << this is very sensible.
mircea_popescu: "you want to talk about X, you fail to cite and address Y, you are thereby a kook, go away"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://bitbet.us/bet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key/
assbot: BitBet - Phuctor will find a bad key :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 99`996 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsBVH9 )
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu and others interested in entropic information: what stats about generated entropy are useful? if i need to shoop my entropy over to gentoo i can, but if that's not necessary (for dieharder tests) i'd like to avoid it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you read the report i published on this ?
ben_vulpes: i have two s.nsa reports up on my screen right now
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/cardano-xmas-blown-other-statements/#footnote_4_51698 << that one
assbot: Cardano : Xmas blown, other statements on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReWEDN )
ben_vulpes: "Xmas blown..." and "Unsorted collection"
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mircea_popescu: a decent approach is to compare your dataset to other datasets, especially ones obtained through different means
mircea_popescu: (random.org does atmospheric noise, fermilab does decay, etc)
decimation: fourmilab
ben_vulpes: "we had the file ent'd every 100kb" << which is to say you split the file on 100kb line and ent'd each?
decimation: http://python-notes.curiousefficiency.org/en/latest/python3/questions_and_answers.html < "Why wasn’t I consulted? Technically, even the core developers weren’t consulted: Python 3 happened because the creator of the language, Guido van Rossum, wanted it to happen, and Google paid for him to devote half of his working hours to leading the development effort."
assbot: Python 3 Q & A — Nick Coghlan's Python Notes 1.0 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1ReWT1R )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes
mircea_popescu: decimation right you are.
mircea_popescu: decimation hey, guy owns it.
decimation: note that this is the opposite of the earlier defense (it's his hobby)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking to sink a lifetime into this, is examining the failures (iirc there were a couple in there). see if any way to leverage this
decimation: His boss told him he had to, you see. Everything will be better if you accept unicode into your heart
mircea_popescu: decimation they lack the proper words to express themselves. what they mean is that it his private, sovereign domain, and he does whatever the fuck he likes, and anyone who doesn't care for it can go dangle.
decimation: sure, but at the pain of making himself look like a retard when he goes off and does something retarded in the name of his domain
mircea_popescu: exactly at that pain.
mircea_popescu: "With the long transition to “Python 3 by default” still in progress, the question is occasionally raised as to whether or not the core Python developers are acting as reasonable stewards of the Python language. "
decimation: I'll hand it to him, the guy is verbose
mircea_popescu: this is a non-issue. there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin, that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on the margins of it with abandon.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i don't get the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing the language, adding features in a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue to evolve and improve and bring value to the people and companies that invested so much time developing them. "
decimation: ah but the implicit threat: "What would it take to make you change your minds about the current plan? An important thing to understand for anyone hoping to convince the core development team to change direction in regards to Python 3 development and promotion is to know that mere words aren’t enough, it’s going to take action. That action is defined in PEP 404: creating a Python 2.8 release (under a different name, however, since
decimation: Python refers specifically to the language versions endorsed by the core development team) and convincing people to use it."
decimation: You can't use the word Python! We have rights!
mircea_popescu: this reads very brokenly to my eye, for many reasons, such as : a) people who can't afford things get no voice. this is what "financial reasons" means : shut the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't a person.
mircea_popescu: b) why exactly is the expected "developing" ? afaik, a language should be set in stone. if this is the view entertained, what "evolution" the fuck do they wish ? if this isn't the view contemplated, why are they not on 3 yet!
mircea_popescu: c) if people and companies invested time in shit that doesn't offer them a roi, this means they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean they should get some compensatory candy.
mircea_popescu: etc.
decimation: yes, the whole document reads as a retroactive justification for guido's missteps. "no no, you see it was a clever strategy to release python 3 in a way that made it seem that it sucked ass."
mircea_popescu: decimation the quote was from some "python is killing python" post.
decimation: maybe this stuff should be added to the various grounds for a google fiduciary lawsuit
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't get it. if the language was good, who cares about a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned to the ground at that. if the language sucked, then well... ?
mircea_popescu: decimation if they don't have the balls to step all over the "pep" and "rights" of the "core team" and do whatever they will, they probably don't have the strength to matter anyway.
decimation: yeah this is a good point. and it gives more ammunition to the idea that if one is using python, one should consider stepping away
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it makes any difference, really. if one is using python (or anything else) correctly, they pick something, and stick with it.
mircea_popescu: for instance : ubuntu sucks ass, especially the new versions, and the early ones. nevertheless, i use 10.04 as an easement / windows halfway house for all sorts of people.
mircea_popescu: this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp.
mircea_popescu: so why do i care what ubuntu does ? i got the 10.04 burned. it's mine. forgetaboutit!
decimation: it goes back to what asciilifeform was complaining about re: drivers. You are gonna have to buy new hardware at some point, and then you are going to have to rev everything to support it
mircea_popescu: i kinda doubt i will ever again buy new hardware.
mircea_popescu: unless they make wetware cpus, stuff's good as is.
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mircea_popescu: note for instance that the various "emergency problem - update required" stuff is in NEW-ish versions. like, heartbleed ? ubuntu 10.04 was fine. 12.04 ? owned.
decimation: well, if you can live on a hardware baseline, then you have the luxury of clamping down on software upgrade shit
mircea_popescu: for that matter, gnupg 1.4.x works just fine, and come to think about it the pogos are being raped with software that's a decade old.
decimation: note, this is exactly how any 'adult' program works: they were flying 80's era cpus in the space shuttle for the entire program because that was the baseline, and the software worked
mircea_popescu: yup. i am well aware.
decimation: same with aircraft, etc. nobody feels the need to 'upgrade' how a 777 works internally. you want new avionics? buy a new plane
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: of course by now they prolly do java everything and upgrade weekly.
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mircea_popescu: which is why they lose planes.
decimation: heh yeah probably do
mircea_popescu: "where did it go ?" "oh, to the land of the jellybeans"
decimation: although boeing is a famous 'ada' shop. but they probably outsource that shit too
decimation: http://www.puritangift.com/en/blog/2013/01/14/boeings-dreamliner-aircraft-in-serious-trouble-just-as-we-predicted-on-page-7-of-the-puritan-gift/ < "In 2005 and 2006, a former Great Engine company, Boeing, sold 350 of its Dreamliner aircraft straight off the drawing board, with the intention of ‘out-sourcing’ the manufacture of 80 per cent of its structure and components to forty-three suppliers on three continents. We await the
decimation: outcome with unease. Until then, the company had always made the fuselage and wings for its planes; that is what Boeing was all about."
decimation: I've got mixed feelings about this book, but it does talk about the decline in american managerial culture
mircea_popescu: decimation so for my own education (not following python much) is the 2/3 split primarily centered around unicode vs posix ?
decimation: yeah pretty much
mircea_popescu: seems like an excellent reason to fork.
mircea_popescu: make 2.8, zero unicode support. ascii or bust.
decimation: python 3 supports 'a better text model to support unicode' rather than 'posix with unicode bolted on'
decimation: apparently there are some folks who want to do exactly that
mircea_popescu: " It should be at least possible for users to start learning the basics of Python without having to first learn English as a prerequisite (even if English remains a requirement for full participation in the global Python and open source ecosystems)." << this is pretty retarded.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone even contemplate this.
mircea_popescu: you don't speak english, you don't get to use computers. back to the cave.
trinque: that's the condescending democratic notion of "them"
trinque: that you have to help
trinque: guido built a language for "them"
mircea_popescu: seems bizarre seeing how the earlier stuff was predicated on "we want to make the language WE enjoy using". what, guido doesn't speak english ?!
decimation: apparently guido's hobby is to convert python into a trojan horse for derpy utopianism
decimation: you know the next step... anyone who doesn't buy into python 3 is a racsis...
mircea_popescu: so how do you denote zhe in armenian ?
mircea_popescu: One key consequence of this is that the interpreter core in Python 3 is far more tolerant of paths that contain Unicode characters on Windows (so, for example, having a non-ASCII character in your username should no longer cause any problems with running Python scripts from your home directory on Windows).
mircea_popescu: ah ok, this is what it was.
mircea_popescu: mkay.
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chatquack: It's Cheryl!
mircea_popescu: who's cheryl ?
chatquack: Cheryl, aka Charleen, aka Cristal
mircea_popescu: still nfi.
chatquack: Crazy bitch from Archer, whom I love dearly; http://archer.wikia.com/wiki/Cheryl_Tunt
assbot: Cheryl Tunt - Archer Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp0KI6 )
mircea_popescu has just naively issued a ll in a directory worth ~100mb of 1kb files.
chatquack: *slow clap*
mircea_popescu: now the server's dosing me
chatquack: ya, i was wondering if a ^c was even worth anything half a second after hitting enter
chatquack: In Soviet VPS, files poke you!
mircea_popescu: this is not a vps.
chatquack: local ethernet?
mircea_popescu: and no, ^c is not worth anything, because ll is well optimized, spends a minute thinking it through and then blasts you
mircea_popescu: no, actual server.
chatquack: right? it's speedy...
chatquack: oh sitting on the cancer giver?
chatquack: I have a hard time sleeping without fan noise :\
mircea_popescu: sitting what ?
chatquack: What do you mean by actual server? Sitting next to you or.
mircea_popescu: no, a box in a dc
chatquack: neato
chatquack: but then again remote or local ll is done once it's run
chatquack: face full'o 1k
chatquack offers mircea_popescu an uncomfortable hug
chatquack: Where the funk is BingoBoingo? I blame him for this useless banter.
mircea_popescu: !up from_vice
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/jus-sayin/ speaking of vice...
assbot: Jus' sayin' on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp45Hl )
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything.
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mircea_popescu: Mem: 24420888k total, 24035956k used, 384932k free, 889012k buffers << what one likes to see. there's something so pleasant about a maxed box.
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cazalla: one on the left has a much better ass
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mircea_popescu: they're young. plenty of time yet.
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0M8QV5T.txt
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deedbot-: accepted: 1
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davout: danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
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davout: so it looks that it can either be enabled in a buildroot config option, gonna investigate this later
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mats: http://i.imgur.com/yUIBuRu.gif
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cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBXDpl60iMA
assbot: grapedrank eats bitcoin-assets :\ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kla7Vw )
jurov: lol, some people want languages set in stone? good luck.
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu we have liftoff!!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << vroom
assbot: So far: | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX3RiW )
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu there are quite a few non-rsa keys. what were folks thinking, l0l
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: in other news, 222893
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scoopbot_revived: Government Funded Exchange BitSpark Shifts To Remittances http://qntra.net/2015/05/government-funded-exchange-bitspark-shifts-to-remittances/
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123786 << nono. mine's using a sata drive☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 09:53:33; davout: danielpbarron: you created the filesystem of your pogo on your local station amirite? messed a bit with fdisk but it looks like the pogo doesn't have any mkfs binary :/
danielpbarron: oh, i see what you're saying.
danielpbarron: the one with a hard drive that i have running bitcoind is the one i put ArchLinux on
davout: danielpbarron: i think that what i'll do is slightly change the buildroot config to be able to "busybox mkfs"
davout: oh and also there was something else, maybe asciilifeform can help with that, probably very noobish question, but i have nfi how to setup the pogo so that i'm able to put the compiled kernel on it without needing it to use tftp to load it on each boot
danielpbarron: the end goal is to flash it into the eeprom; not sure if anyone's done that yet
davout: danielpbarron: because other than the attached SATA the pogo has no other storage than the eeprom, right?
davout: why not simply have it reside on the SATA drive?
danielpbarron: you could do that, but the spec is for it to have all necessary stuff contained in the unit itself
davout: aha, not sure i ever actually *read* that spec, is it trilema'd?
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/spec.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zF6UQf )
davout: ah, it is danielpbarron'd :D
davout: danielpbarron: ok i see, that makes lots of sense
cazalla: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34091513/ hearn rings the alarm, we have not much time!
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1zF8eT0 )
jurov: yest it was kicking the can, today "to keep the Bitcoin show on the road"
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jurov: ^ i suggest using these phrases to qntra editors
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mircea_popescu: shit asciilifeform they're not going to be so many that we don't reach 3.15 mn moduli are they!
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an astonishingly large number of those
mircea_popescu: which, non rsa ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: hey, williamdunne you there ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1123796 << i want everything set in stone. i guess that makes me a true stoner.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 11:54:24; jurov: lol, some people want languages set in stone? good luck.
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asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers:
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000092.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRE7Kp )
asciilifeform: [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output.
mircea_popescu: "I observed to Wladimir and Gavin in
mircea_popescu: private that this timeline meant a change to the block size was unlikely to
mircea_popescu: get into 0.11, leaving only 0.12, which would give everyone only a few
mircea_popescu: months to upgrade in order to fork the chain by the end of the winter
mircea_popescu: growth season. That seemed tight."
mircea_popescu: so apparently teh idiots actually have a schedule, handler said something like "this must be in by 2016 no matter what". so either they get it in "0.11" or "0.12" or else 0.13 or 15 or 29 will have to happen BEFORE that date.
mircea_popescu: and if people have to test things in negative three days, fuck people. handler said, gavin & mike do, that's how "standards committees" work in the us.
mircea_popescu: are these people fucktarded or something ?
mircea_popescu: you can take that to the fed.
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asciilifeform: bbbut the ocean of meat!1111!!111
mircea_popescu: > Certainly a consensus in this kind of technical community should be a
mircea_popescu: > basic requirement for any serious commitment to blocksize increase.
mircea_popescu: >
mircea_popescu: I'm afraid I have come to disagree.
asciilifeform: gotta accomodate it, because d3m0cr4cy
mircea_popescu: who the FUCK asked mike hearn ANYTHING ?
mircea_popescu: so he disagrees ? what else does he disagree with, chinese internal policy ?
mircea_popescu: gravity ?
mircea_popescu: go fucking disagree on livejournal and check my privilege while at it.
asciilifeform: chinese internal policy ? << these are the folks who issued indictments in u.s. courts of chinese generals
asciilifeform: *against
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do you have the source for the pull request where hearn tried to merge in heartbleed?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russian random businessmen, at that, too.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i think you misread or misunderstood something. come again ?
mircea_popescu: > Long-term incentive compatibility requires that there be some fee
mircea_popescu: > pressure, and that blocks be relatively consistently full or very nearly
mircea_popescu: > full.
mircea_popescu: I disagree. When the money supply eventually dwindles I doubt it will be fee pressure that funds mining
mircea_popescu: right. it's gonna be taxation, in hearn world.
mircea_popescu: have bitcoin declared a "public service" or right or whatever by congress, get obamabitcoin and all that jazz. make the MIT shitheads, google etc all fat and giggly.
asciilifeform: blockchain.gov
asciilifeform: !s taxcoin
assbot: 4 results for 'taxcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=taxcoin
asciilifeform: etc.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-05-2014#692838 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "Firstly, no, the "Bitcoin ecosystem" is not well funded. Blockstream might
mircea_popescu: be, but significant numbers of users are running programs developed by tiny
mircea_popescu: startups, or volunteers who don't have millions in venture capital to play
mircea_popescu: with."
mircea_popescu: check out shitboy over here.
mircea_popescu: "didn't happen in bezzle-land, didn't happen at all. icbc trades on pink sheets. world exists in my asshole"
mircea_popescu: "What I don't see from you yet is a *specific and credible plan* that fits
mircea_popescu: within the next 12 months and which allows Bitcoin to keep growing."
mircea_popescu: i am ever thankful to the idiots that do very idiotic things. like that vice article. like this tipping of hand.
asciilifeform: 'grow' to mr tumour means, of course, more tumour cells, not longer legs
mircea_popescu: if there is any certainty about "bitcoin future" at hte present time, it is that there will not be a block size increase in the next 12 months.
mircea_popescu: heads may roll, yes, metaphorically or factually, yes. this shit is not happening.
thestringpuller: "Again, why don't all devs that against this blocksize change come together, and ELI5 to the rest of us what are the cons. ELI5 is important if you want the public to understand your points. So for now Gavin has me convinced the change is necessary. Please Please Please...." to which someone replies "Heaven help us if we ever encounter an issue that requires more than a five-year-old's intelligence."
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!! anyone else running 0.5.3.x and noticed unusually frequent disconnects ?
asciilifeform: i suspect that the seed problem is growing palpably dire
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller except there is absolutely no need to eli5, because 5 yolds can not be involved in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are endemic, they come and go, it's a lot like stop-go traffic.
asciilifeform: (we are syncing from... laptops?)
mircea_popescu: but yes, the problem is growing.
mircea_popescu: ahh, watching the phuctor stats is so pleasant.
asciilifeform: at some point we gotta do stats re: whether folks are -even today- generating dsa-only keys, etc
asciilifeform: because the paucity of rsa moduli susprised even me
mircea_popescu: only marginally interesting outside of the strong set.
asciilifeform: things on the margins could well be some fella with a spamatron, yes.
mircea_popescu: usg delivering "keys" to its own people etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00022047 = 7.044 BTC [-]
lobbes: noob question incoming: so my key is showing a GCD of '1 (Ok, for now!)' ; This means that my key only has 1 prime factor in common with another submitted key?
mircea_popescu: no
mircea_popescu: it means it has the factor of 1 in common with other keys.
mircea_popescu: 1 is a common divisor of all numbers.
lobbes: ahhhh
lobbes: okay thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143200 @ 0.00022047 = 31.5713 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c it'll please you to know that a) we're going to be setting up daily batch processing of new keys, so people failing to find theirs should be rare ; b) making better 404 page, mostly to indicate this fact.
mike_c: ah, good news.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, after the current glut is processed, which estimatively should take about a month o.O
mircea_popescu: there's a shitton of them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139900 @ 0.00022598 = 31.6146 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> 1 is a common divisor of all numbers. <<< hey now
lobbes: !rate asciilifeform 1 http://nosuchlabs.com/, http://loper-os.org/, decrufter @ http://thebitcoin.foundation
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/887f473c99ee3004
assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FREcgc )
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1FREeVc )
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FREcgh )
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.asciilifeform.1:4fce25012b85a0c2b08e565f25c55c092857f115d32b97983af9a8eed7ab140a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for asciilifeform with note: http://nosuchlabs.com/, http://loper-os.org/, decrufter @ http://thebitcoin.foundation
lobbes: !rate ben_vulpes 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/57bd30a883e0dd1e
nubbins`: at the risk of being a pedant, 1 is a common divisor of the set of integers
nubbins`: ;p
nubbins`: which is both infinitely large in size, and infinitely smaller than, say, the set of real numbers
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.ben_vulpes.1:af5c59d6cdf9ef0235558ee95dd0ef3a2ffcc6b965bd39ac6700d10012464f89
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ben_vulpes with note: co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
lobbes: !rate mod6 1 co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bbf00bdef32a191d
mod6: <+asciilifeform> [BTC-dev] Full Orphanage Thermonuke DHAT Output. << nice work! thanks :]
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.mod6.1:93a6590ff2a28a73681071c3abd6ce41443e5686ad05500dda678435cd29b835
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mod6 with note: co-chair for The Real Bitcoin
lobbes: phew done
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "divisors" are only defined for some numbers.
nubbins`: ^ aha
nubbins`: there's no fooling you 8)
mircea_popescu: lol. kinda hard to beat me up with my own fucking words eh.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like a guy in a mma fight being beaten to death with his own, broken arms.
nubbins`: for those who still don't know wtf is going on, brush up on yr number theory
mircea_popescu: !up from_vice
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/FuXC0GD
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FRFyr8 )
nubbins`: ^ silkscreened hang tags, 2/1 on 130# cougar
nubbins`: sup from_vice
nubbins`: are you from vice?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck washes things by hand in cold water. what is this, slavegirl concentration camp ?!
nubbins`: (talk by typing in the box down there ----v)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i should show you how i clean screens and equipment here
from_vice: Ahh
nubbins`: by hand. in very, very cold water.
nubbins`: from_vice: there ya go.
from_vice: Churrs
nubbins`: guess you're not actually here from vice tho, huh
from_vice: Where am I?
nubbins`: you're on freenode irc
lobbes: #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: ahaha this entire convo is the titsd.
mircea_popescu: im bashing it.
from_vice: Can I find God here?
danielpbarron: i pasted the webchat link in the vice article comments because their stupid javascript loads and renders the whole chat room on their article page. LOL
nubbins`: this is way more boring than when the reuters reporter showed up
nubbins`: danielpbarron ha
nubbins`: link?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wait, WHAT ?!
danielpbarron: from_vice, paste the link at the top of your browser
mircea_popescu: nubbins` frankly i'm moderately surprised anyone even reads vice at all. readership >= 1 is already above par.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's like news, but related to you by your buddy who plays in a band and drinks too much
nubbins`: future of journalism
from_vice: I linked into here via the vice article link provided in the comments by someone--I feel a bit violated
danielpbarron: whoops did i just eRape someone?
mircea_popescu: 1/10 for effort.
nubbins`: danielpbarron new tab for me.
nubbins`: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/unless-everyone-using-bitcoin-makes-this-radical-change-the-currency-will-die
assbot: Unless Everyone Using Bitcoin Makes This Radical Change, the Currency Will Die | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1DSVGTr )
danielpbarron: weird, it was doing it yesterday
from_vice: Haha it's like jumping back to 1996
nubbins`: guess they realized
danielpbarron: i had to change my other links to bit (dot) ly things because of it
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you imagine the increase in demand for competent web engineers we've caused this year alone ?
mircea_popescu: fetlife is hiring, vice is hiring, erryone's hiring. we might even make the gdp go up
nubbins`: greatest divisor product
nubbins`: now you're just making things up ;)
mircea_popescu: no, i'm reporting.
mircea_popescu: for vice.
nubbins`: there's about a one in three chance that they'd publish an article you wrote for them about bitcoin.
from_vice: Where are you guys from?
mircea_popescu: and if i take to the streets of marakesh, there's about one in three chance random street urchin will suck my cock hoping for a hundred. what of it.
mircea_popescu: from_vice we're from bitcoin
nubbins`: heh
mircea_popescu: the most serene republic of ~
nubbins`: i'm from the internet
nubbins`: mircea_popescu in my experience, skin and hash are proffered equally in marrakesh
mircea_popescu: a right, we haven't fully colonized nubbins` yet. much like canada, he hangs on to antiquated forms that perpetuate the routing and interfacing differences in our society.
mircea_popescu: if there's ever to be any progress...
nubbins`: altho generally they start with "hashish?" and follow up with "massage?"
from_vice: Oh I see, you are from the evil overlord master race, all makes sense now
nubbins`: from_vice you're not far off the mark there
nubbins`: bbl doing things
mircea_popescu: by hand ? in cold water ?
from_vice: You sure this isn't a 911 truthers' forum? I have some thermite to sell
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
from_vice: It's like Vegemite
mircea_popescu: not thermite, 911 truthers
mircea_popescu: !s thermite
assbot: 34 results for 'thermite' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=thermite
danielpbarron is a 9/11 truther
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you call emergency line and tell them truths ?
danielpbarron: i question whether there were actually planes that hit the towers
danielpbarron: heh
from_vice: Towers?
mircea_popescu: heh, the benefit of modernity. no event is ever going to co-exist with a consensus interpretation thereof.
danielpbarron: well i'm pretty sure the towers existed. I saw them with my own eyes on a trip to NYC
from_vice: This is all a hologram
mircea_popescu: from_vice it'd seem your notions about what a hologram is are informed more by southpark than by physics.
from_vice: Btw when does modernity ever stop?
mircea_popescu: as used above, it prolly doesn't.
mod6: asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ? Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ?
mircea_popescu just assumed plain
from_vice: Well it's been swell, good luck with the taking over the world with superior quips. Now where did I park my car??
lobbes: danielpbarron: you think it may have been an 'inside job' by usg? I have heard that pov from others, too
danielpbarron: who else would care to do it?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the problem with this is that they could have picked much less expensive, more impactful targets.
mircea_popescu: cantor fitzgerald's been in the news recently due to their vice chair's fraudulent shenanigans and separately due to their general incompetence and gross mishandling of OPM.
mircea_popescu: this firm is in its sorry state today because it was mostly wiped in that attack.
mircea_popescu: who exactly in the usg do you think is or was served by wiping most of their army ?
mircea_popescu: (and yes, in the 2000s, the finance ppls are the army. the grunts on the ground - roughly speaking cleanning crews)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54776 @ 0.00022093 = 12.1017 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: i don't really give it much thought
mircea_popescu: makes two of us.
lobbes: unless witnessed with own eyes, can't really verify one way or another. Of course, you can say that about any event
lobbes: and then there's solipsism
lobbes: which I always sort of bought into. I can't verify any of you really exist
mircea_popescu: ever been to a magic show ?
lobbes: no, just seen em' on tv
mircea_popescu: your eyes are a particularly weak check, especially if it is known you will be relying on them exclusively.
mircea_popescu: plenty of people making a living at this. in fact, three card monte exists specifically to exploit the thermodynamc gradient created by the "own eyes" meme/mental parasithosis.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368120 @ 0.00022667 = 83.4418 BTC [+] {4}
lobbes: this is true. But even with the other senses, you still have to accept the assumption of 'an outside reality'
lobbes: everything else builds off of that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91030 @ 0.00022985 = 20.9232 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo for the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything. << fxd
lobbes: but in terms of verifying events with own eyes, I do see that point. Not even possible in certain cases
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah. wouldn't want random dude in a band that drinks too much read that and with his usual superficial comprehension skills decide 1% of keys are broken or some similar shit.
mircea_popescu: god knows they do enough of that nonsense even without any help
mircea_popescu: lobbes does the proposition that having two children each off two different women equal having four children total have to accept some sort of assumption about "the twu nature of numbers" ?
lobbes: hmm, I think I get it; 'I experience something, therefore it exists.' Assumtion not really necessary for the experience
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 11241 / Known Moduli: 10759 / Waiting for Test: 1361 timestamp
mircea_popescu: lobbes something like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145400 @ 0.00022072 = 32.0927 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/05/07/california_masonic_police_department_weird.html
assbot: California "Masonic Police Department": Weird. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7OzO8 )
mircea_popescu: reading old trilema articles ( http://trilema.com/2011/sa-belim-pula/ ) i'm suddenly illuminated : all the empowered feminist derps that bitch about how having to shave their cunt is wrong, novel and bla bla : how much smegma do they eat in the average week ?
assbot: Sa belim pula on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7OBpi )
mircea_popescu: because guess what : smegma is just as natural a byproduct of the sexual organs, of the other gender. and washing it off is certainly as novel bla bla as shaving the cunt.
ben_vulpes: buenos diiiiias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178800 @ 0.00022342 = 39.9475 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: why do you capitalize IRC logs on Trilema?
mircea_popescu: seems better form ? i dunno.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: i halfway expected a philosophical tract on capitalization and blogs
mircea_popescu: heh. trilema titles generally are an enigma.
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 11497 / Known Moduli: 11013 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1413
mircea_popescu: sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/
ben_vulpes: at least it's not just sitting there depreciating anymore.
ben_vulpes: now it's...being useful!
mircea_popescu: yup, no argument.
mircea_popescu: i kinda suspected it'll need a long time.
mod6: !up ascii_field
mod6 slaps assbots ass
mircea_popescu: anyway, the exercise is interesting because it puts a ceiling on costs. doing a mathematically intricate, non-parallelizable task over ~the entire space of gpg keys~, all 4mn of them, is < 10k usd.
mircea_popescu: the "millions" mike hearn derps about aren't only broken because shit, we're worth billions, even if he personally isn't worth two spits.
mircea_popescu: it's also wrong because you don't actually need the millions
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: wtf happened here.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: bitchez.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124071 << the 258 figure does not include the non-rsa submissions☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 16:22:53; mircea_popescu: sheit... 38 minutes, 258 added. at 6/minute this is going to be 18 months ;/
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it does not, but im figuring : since the queue is not ever empty, it's a good measure for actual processing
jurov: won't it get slower over time as gcd grows?
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: jurov: n log n
mircea_popescu: jurov supposedly only by log n
ascii_field: theoretically
ascii_field: (in practice, various boojums like cache miss will set in)
mircea_popescu: !up rbtkhn
mircea_popescu: anyway he has a point, 18 months above was linear.
danielpbarron: hello rbtkhn !
mircea_popescu: (the 10k was not)
ben_vulpes: who is rbtkhn?
danielpbarron: Robert Kuhne
ben_vulpes: well key up, Kuhne
mircea_popescu: what, the huobi guy ?
danielpbarron: ya
danielpbarron: he said he'd pop in here later, although I suspect that one wasn't actually him (someone else clicking the custom url)
mircea_popescu: aha
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2015#1124024 << read the mailing list. clearly printed on the box, 'thermonuke.'☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 15:19:45; mod6: asciilifeform: just to be clear, all of your vagrind runs against bitcoind are: v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_ThermoNuke ? Or just plain v0.5.3.1 ?
ascii_field did not think there was any ambiguity in his reports
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114650 @ 0.00022221 = 25.4764 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: heh. there's ambiguity in the heads!
mircea_popescu: but right you are.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in principle, one can do clever things to weasel out of the cache problem - such as setting max product size and gcd'ing said parcels together
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i tell you we might have to find a way to parallelize this, because as it is, it'll prolly be too slow.
ascii_field: (much cpu is wasted on shuttling gigantic integer around)
mircea_popescu: yeah
ascii_field: the above is the one kind of parallelism meaningfully possible here
mod6: ascii_field: ahhah, it does say it in the Email Subject. derp.
mircea_popescu: do it in sets, maybe ? because positives are so rarely expected, take n numbers, gcd them all in pairs, then gcd the n/2 pairs together, etc.
mircea_popescu: the pairs part is eminently parallelizable.
ascii_field: sets, aha
ascii_field: was what i wrote.
mircea_popescu: yeah. rewrite ?
mircea_popescu: downside being, of course, that we won't have any sort of usability in progress.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this is very much like its own sort of blockchain syncing. the 4mn addies were created over 40 years or so. we can catch up in a year, by which time... more will have been created.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: would you share the code for splitting the gpg dumps up?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: happily
ben_vulpes: ty
BingoBoingo: Browsing various .edu domains for keys to submit I noticed there's a span from roughly 1999 to 2005-8 where DSA/Elgamal keys were way too popular
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_F
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fortunately it died.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: it's a very dirty kludge though
ben_vulpes: http://mtomcal.github.io/HIV-AIDS-Concurrency-Sim/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjNnrI )
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2EJ5BR5
assbot: dpaste: 2EJ5BR5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DUlxue )
ben_vulpes: 3.(18)?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: exactly?!
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: diametric ^
diametric: thanks
ben_vulpes: parens are numbers now
ben_vulpes: whocouldanode
mircea_popescu: they were always numbers!!1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120150 @ 0.00022105 = 26.5592 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: no, first they were scratches in the dust ancient lispers used to identify each other
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe you're not aware, but this is old style notation for periodicity.
ben_vulpes: aha, i've only ever used the bar over the periodic part
mircea_popescu: yeah. but not convenient to do in ascii
ben_vulpes: you dun say.
diametric: mircea_popescu: done
mircea_popescu: omg wrong ammount!
ben_vulpes: ahaha
diametric: wait what.
ben_vulpes: stop being so damn clever, herr popescu.
diametric: oh hah.
mircea_popescu: lol
diametric: shouldn't that technically be 2.82
mircea_popescu: no, it should technically be 3.1818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818181818
diametric: ohh
mircea_popescu: rounded to the closest full line
ben_vulpes: just quote to the satoshi, man.
ascii_field: next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth
mircea_popescu: why ? make it easy for people ?
ben_vulpes: to not make it unnecessarily ambiguous.
mircea_popescu: tis not ambiguous!
ben_vulpes: if you know the language.
mircea_popescu: just difficult.
mircea_popescu: ^ :D
ben_vulpes: the language having nothing to do with quoting prices for btc transactions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110700 @ 0.00022047 = 24.406 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: orly ?
danielpbarron: ascii_field> next we will find mircea_popescu writing cheques for 'pi' like knuth << or making bets that refer to it
mircea_popescu: that's already water under the bitbridge.
ascii_field: bets >> https://bitbet.us/bet/1144/phuctor-will-find-a-bad-key << l0l
assbot: BitBet - Phuctor will find a bad key :: 0.02 B (2%) on Yes, 1.08 B (98%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 94`192 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjOLuk )
mircea_popescu: -NickServ- m_p!~matter_pa@ failed to login to mircea_popescu. There have been 3 failed login attempts since your last successful login. << am i the only one so targetted ?
ascii_field: when does it spit out this stat ?
ascii_field: on login ?
ascii_field hardly ever logs out and would not necessarily see it then
mircea_popescu: as i was sitting here
mircea_popescu: ascii_field http://dpaste.com/3ABYGTD < like that
assbot: dpaste: 3ABYGTD ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjPSKq )
ascii_field: woah
diametric: http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/05/02/403865824/texas-governor-deploys-state-guard-to-stave-off-obama-takeover
assbot: Texas Governor Deploys State Guard To Stave Off Obama Takeover : It's All Politics : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjQz6G )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 303035 @ 0.00022966 = 69.595 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!
mircea_popescu: " We have so many military bases in the Lone Star State we could practically attack Russia." orly.
funkenstein_ looks up from his iphone
diametric: haha
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck am i reading
diametric: insanity
ascii_field: http://www.amazon.com/LoveBots-AC342-Love-Glider-Machine/dp/B00767NBUQ/ref=pd_sim_hpc_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1H2KVAHMMGK7KDZN26K2 << apparently exists
assbot: Amazon.com: Love Glider Sex Machine: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjRhAI )
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: stop saying dirty things to assbot, aflie.
funkenstein_: so strange that the governor would want to monitor large groups of heavily armed out of staters
trinque: NPR's a leftist rag.
mircea_popescu: i laughed my ass off at this thing. absolute top kek, AAA++ would lol again.
danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUm2Im3SvtU << re: love glider
assbot: Burn After Reading - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjRRyj )
funkenstein_: ascii_field, just in time for mother's day!
mircea_popescu: "The governor's proposition that these soldiers and sailors constitute a potential threat and need watching as they go about their duties certainly stakes out some new political ground for the leader of the Texas GOP to stand on."
trinque: I love it
mircea_popescu: this part, certainly. where's trinque to shed a tear over this
mircea_popescu: aha
ascii_field: civilwar cargocult
ascii_field: (there was 'watching' immediately prior)
trinque: "fuck the feds" is great TX politics
mircea_popescu: ascii_field don't miss the most important point here. government has identified a new thing it could need money for.
mircea_popescu: this is never ever going away.
danielpbarron: "The biggest issue I have with The Love Glider is that the angle of the centerpiece where the dildo sits on the vac-u-loc plug is way to steep for any anal play."
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron iirc the solution is to use softer rubber dongs
danielpbarron: "This item came with a nut missing" << just one?
mircea_popescu: trinque hmm, did deedbot- see the deed ?
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 12404 / Known Moduli: 11547 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1584
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2EJ5BR5
assbot: dpaste: 2EJ5BR5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjTTPa )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2EJ5BR5.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjTU5I )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: aha my bad, had a space and no txt.
trinque: cool
mircea_popescu: 907÷96 ~= 9.5/minute
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46393 @ 0.0002225 = 10.3224 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46243 @ 0.00022985 = 10.629 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120915 @ 0.0002305 = 27.8709 BTC [+] {4}
fluffypony: the bitcoin-dev mailing list is on fire today
fluffypony: but I thought BlueMatt summed it up nicely in a reply to Gavin:
fluffypony: "You've been wandering around telling people that the blocksize will increase soon for months, when there is very clearly no consensus that it should in the short-term future. The only answer to this that anyone with a clue should give is "it will very, very likely be able to support at least 1MB blocks roughly every 10 minutes on average for the next eleven years, and it seems likely that a block size increase of some form will
fluffypony: happen at some point in the next eleven years", anything else is dishonest."
fluffypony: smackdown.
fluffypony: drop the mic
funkenstein_: why eleven?
jurov: nice round number
jurov: i guess
fluffypony: funkenstein_: no idea, Gavin said this -
fluffypony: "I would very much like to find some concrete course of action that we can come to consensus on. Some compromise so we can tell entrepreneurs "THIS is how much transaction volume the main Bitcoin blockchain will be able to support over the next eleven years.""
jurov: gmaxwell:"Unfortunately, every indicator I can think of except fee totals has been going in the wrong direction almost monotonically along with the blockchain size increase since 2012"
thestringpuller: everyone wants the exchange rate to go up so everyone can get rich. it's da most important metric here.
mats: merr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00023232 = 3.9727 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up SecretFinCENspy
SecretFinCENspy: danielpbarron, psst... do you know how to launder paper money with crypto currency ??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123450 @ 0.00023275 = 28.733 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: lol nice try fincen
danielpbarron: step 1) use paper to aquire bitcoin. step 2) all done. money is now laundered. enjoy
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: arsebot?!
asciilifeform: l0ltr0n1c >> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/07/us-usa-security-nsa-idUSKBN0NS1IN20150507
assbot: NSA's phone spying program ruled illegal by appeals court| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ju9OYb )
SecretFinCENspy: we are saved :D
SecretFinCENspy: you think they care ?
trinque: "The appeals court did not resolve the question of whether the surveillance was unconstitutional."
trinque: nor did it state whether words do or do not have meanings
danielpbarron: !up SecretFinCENspy
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: wtf
danielpbarron: imposter, you!
danielpbarron: assbot cycled yesterday, so if you haven't upped since then, you aren't "authed"
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 20000 @ 0.000206 = 4.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51350 @ 0.00023301 = 11.9651 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50172 @ 0.00023349 = 11.7147 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122128 @ 0.00023538 = 28.7465 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148612 @ 0.00023576 = 35.0368 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what "entrepreneurs" is gavin talking to anyway ?
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet one.
thestringpuller: the kid from first kid?
fluffypony: mighty ducks I believe
ascii_field: inevitably brings to mind the ru prison parlance 'pierced pederast'
fluffypony: I just refer to him as Pedobear Pierce
ascii_field: (vs the yet-'unpierced' kind)
mircea_popescu: brock pierce the cock piercing ? or some other ?
fluffypony: you know that Brock has his PR firm labelling him as "the Godfather or Bitcoin" ?
fluffypony: I shit you not
ascii_field: 'pierced' was understood as 'properly deflowered' vs merely proclaimed as lowered into pederasty
fluffypony: http://www.details.com/culture-trends/critical-eye/201502/bitcoin-digital-currency-investors
assbot: Can Bitcoin Clean Up Its Act?: Critical Eye : Details ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn2VIn )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so are the twinkletwins of bitcoin taking this one sitting down ?
fluffypony: "These glorified pep rallies represent just one aspect of a global campaign by Pierce—who's operated on the fringes of American business for the past 15 years—to reinvent himself as a trustworthy power broker in a volatile virtual realm and cement his claim to a title currently shared by many: the godfather of bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: what is wrong with these people, seriously.
fluffypony: no clue
mircea_popescu: but i mean... suppose you... i dunno, suppose you open a microbrewery.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to go tell people you're "the darth vader of beer" ?!
danielpbarron: there's more than one reference to him touching the young hacker boys in that article
fluffypony: danielpbarron: but he was just "around" in the mansion whilst that other guy was diddling 12 year old asian boys
mircea_popescu: no wait
fluffypony: he didn't notice them all lining up outside that guy's bedroom
mircea_popescu: that was michael jackson i thought ?
mircea_popescu: u-huuu
fluffypony: omg mircea_popescu you don't even know
fluffypony: http://pastebin.ro/cs5Lr0gO
assbot: The Shady History of Brock Pie - PasteBin.Ro - Primul instrument de lipire din Romania! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn43LY )
fluffypony: he gave a talk at Bitcoin Africa on "Bitcoin Investing"
mircea_popescu: i know, i know, he had some derpy "wow gold" type scam that blew up a decade ago.
fluffypony: and it was basically a pitch of his startup investment shit
fluffypony: I can't even remember the name
fluffypony: Crypto Investments or somethin
mircea_popescu: Submissions: 13939 / Known Moduli: 12365 / Moduli Waiting for Test: 1761
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2015#968040 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 05:05:12; asciilifeform: (it being, they get 'annointed' by handlers specifically for being thus malleable)
ascii_field: ^ re: why pedos
mircea_popescu: 2442÷238 = 10.260504202 / minute.
fluffypony: "The slim, dark-haired 14-year-old, who attended a small private high school in the Valley, befriended Chad's brother Scott, who led him to DEN. Mike had an interest in acting, so when Collins-Rector outlined the possibilities for stardom offered by the site, the boy began spending time at the mansion, where there was one key rule. He recalls: "If you were going to sleep over, you had to get into either the pool or the hot tub—and
fluffypony: you had to be naked to do so." In an exclusive interview, Mike E. confirms having been forced to engage in anal and oral intercourse with Collins-Rector, Shackley, and Pierce while under the influence of drugs that he claims were fed to him without his knowledge."
fluffypony: but the good news is that after all the diddling there was still room for him
fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/brock-pierce-bitcoin-foundation-board-chairman/
assbot: Brock Pierce Elected Bitcoin Foundation Board Chairman ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn4wOt )
mircea_popescu: awww.
mircea_popescu: wait, so just as we finally got rid of that dubious onlyonetv pedo character,
mircea_popescu: another one sprung up ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is this, some sort of conspiraci ?
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: Another alleged victim, Daniel, tells a similar story. After being subjected to sexual abuse at M&C, he wrote a suicide note: "I can't stop crying! Please God help me. I can't go on. I let them use me as a sex tool. I let those assholes do all those terrible things to me. Goodbye." His brother found the note and alerted their parents before Daniel made any attempt on his life.
mircea_popescu: is this what 14 yos write in their sucide notes ?!
mircea_popescu: hitting all the talking points of the weirdo right in exact order, "please god" and "sex tool" and errything ?
mircea_popescu is impressed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162956 @ 0.00023603 = 38.4625 BTC [+]
ascii_field: who is 0xC63673284FCE0A74 ?
ascii_field: whoever he is - sks is silent
ben_vulpes: what's of interest about 0xC63673284FCE0A74?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: signature under the pierce thing on paste linked earlier
ascii_field: no one but me noticed ?
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: it's brock pierce
ben_vulpes: nobody but you cares maybe
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: signed his own 'pierce is a pedo sc4mz0r' article ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's not a puiblic key.
ascii_field: well, technically it is
ascii_field: but apparently no one made this publickey public.
mircea_popescu: right.
ascii_field: (wtf is the point of signing something that no one can verify ?)
mircea_popescu: "no one"
ascii_field: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) << mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: the string is arbitrary.
ascii_field: sure.
ascii_field: still l0l.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, if that's what you're trying to establish, i can confirm the broad points.
mircea_popescu: the salacious sex stuff not so much, but perpetual fraud, slapp/frivolous litigation and general mismanagement, sure.
ascii_field: mandatory for election to phoundation
ascii_field: we knew this for a while, yes
ascii_field: in other news, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-VS-Code-IDE-Linux << pigs flying with massive jet engines, microshit vs for linux.
assbot: Microsoft Releases New Code IDE For Linux! - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn7Ado )
ascii_field: can't wait until 'ubuntu' ships with this.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, by now linux is windowized enough. they can release their shit for systemd/ubuntu/glibc-with-modules/etc and pretty much have it right.
ascii_field: aha
trinque: hah!
ascii_field: and poettering will proclaim it mandatory
ascii_field: will release gendered comments compliance plugin for it
mircea_popescu: because poettering is like gavin, the godfather of other people's computers.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field btw, i don't think the pairs solution is the best thing. how about the following : cut keys into three groups. 1. keys that were submitted to web from outside ; 2. keys in the strong set ; 3. everything else. and always process 1, or if 1 empty 2, or if empty 3.
mircea_popescu: that'll give us best of all possible worlds.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how to programmatically calculate strong set
ascii_field does not have the definition handy
mircea_popescu: "key signed by at least another key in the strong set"./
mircea_popescu: however, i think i might just pull a list for you.
ascii_field: works
mats: does phuctor have an externally accessible api?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field http://www.rubin.ch/wotsap/latest.wot < should be it
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn97QL )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: meh. actually, after a cursory look over the top 1k : http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/doc/top_1000.html it'd seem to me this wot is pretty much taken over.
assbot: PGP key top 1000 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn9ECb )
mircea_popescu: Palfrader is iirc the tor derp
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who Marcus Frings or Karlheinz Geyer are, mako's key is an old 1024 bit dsa thing....
mircea_popescu: mats notrly as of yet
mircea_popescu: !up joecool
joecool: thanks
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
ben_vulpes: “If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” said our favorite uncle Warren Buffett on CNBC.
mircea_popescu: o.O
joecool: but i have L1 through the bot
mircea_popescu: !rate joecool 1 Approximately new blood :p
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a154513bf65e719f
mircea_popescu: !v
assbot: Need a decrypted verification string.
joecool: is that OTP for me?
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.joecool.1:2c46683c140832008f9f075f6b57d3ed645a84039674adf1ecda1c51ab5c2ef2
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for joecool with note: Approximately new blood :p
joecool: ah ok
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wait, wait... he no longer believes in the future of america ra ra ra ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: kinda the implication, neh?
ben_vulpes: http://wolfstreet.com/2015/05/06/smart-money-prepares-to-profit-from-bond-market-swoon/
assbot: “Smart Money” Prepares to Profit from Bond Market Rout | Wolf Street ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kncxms )
mircea_popescu: swoon - rout lmao
mircea_popescu: somebody changed the title but didn't know how to change the url ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85500 @ 0.00022848 = 19.535 BTC [-] {2}
Pierre_Rochard: ^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me
Pierre_Rochard: “If I had an easy way and a non-risk way of shorting a whole lot of 20- or 30-year bonds, I’d do it,” < If I had a non-risk way of doing anything in the financial markets, I’d do it too...
ben_vulpes: dahoy
ben_vulpes: <Pierre_Rochard> ^ they’re afraid of dead links. Why they don’t simply reroute to the new url is a mystery to me << that'd require having some kind of a clue
Pierre_Rochard: does wordpress have that feature?
joecool: there's a plugin that'll scan nightly for broken links you can use on wordpress
joecool: even has option to point old dead links to the web archive
BingoBoingo: Highlight of today's digging session: http://imgur.com/yZMEey3
assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KniQXg )
BingoBoingo: ^ Pink "Double Knockout" rosebush, appx $30 or 0.13 BTC
BingoBoingo: "Patented" plant type
ben_vulpes: hola chetty
BingoBoingo: !up tKM
funkenstein_: !s dtcc
assbot: 0 results for 'dtcc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dtcc
funkenstein_: nice roses :)
BingoBoingo: Thx
BingoBoingo awfully temped to propagate more vegitatively just because FU patents
asciilifeform: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de2_1326399606 << death on a lathe
assbot: LiveLeak.com - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIRxBp )
funkenstein_: so the "double knockout" refers to some genetics?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Yeah, but apparently bred for said genetics rather than monsanto'd.
BingoBoingo: Supposed to be incredibly disease resistant, but will see
funkenstein_ recalls the story of the double knockout mice, missing both seratonin and dopamine, whom researchers still hooked on cocaine
BingoBoingo: Yeah, not that kind of knockout.
BingoBoingo: Knockout is the branded genetics.
BingoBoingo: or Brand of this plant's genetics
BingoBoingo: Wasn't looking to pick up a rosebush, but was at Rural King
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142100 @ 0.00022388 = 31.8133 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68625 @ 0.000224 = 15.372 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88674 @ 0.00022171 = 19.6599 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: BingoBoingo, resistant to what? scale?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Fungi mostly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114500 @ 0.00022127 = 25.3354 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@octskyward/crash-landing-f5cc19908e32
assbot: Crash landing — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETyp7H )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ^^ relevant to memory stuff, relevant to block size wars
mircea_popescu: !up jam__
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> does wordpress have that feature? << yes. if i change an url both the old and the new work, and the old redirects to the new
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124250 @ 0.00021904 = 27.2157 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: if netscape goes down, the internet is broken right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101900 @ 0.00022127 = 22.5474 BTC [+]
trinque: ben_vulpes: that dude uses the word "believe" a lot
trinque: "Neither me nor Gavin believe a fee market will work as a substitute for the inflation subsidy."
trinque: so on
trinque: "Miners would include free transactions ordered by “priority” as they do today (calculated as coin age times value), and they’d do it because circulating bitcoins are valuable bitcoins."
trinque: this is horse shit of colossal scale
mircea_popescu: why do we care why random nobody believes or doesn't believe, again ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114550 @ 0.00021739 = 24.902 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude nice maria callas or w/e those are
BingoBoingo: Because they still pretend to identity and need that stripped so that they be dumped naked in the cold rain
trinque: sorting transactions by fees and dumping off the tail-end solves everything he brings up re: mempool getting too full
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: "but that would be like ... capitalism1!11"
mircea_popescu: "how could the currency of the future be anything like capitalism!!!1"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's some sort of rose called "Double Knockout" which I find funny because abuse of genetics term by a plant geneticist. Not much to congratulate me on yet. All I did was pick them up from Rural King and put them in a hole.
mod6: here's today's update from the v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/0MGZ7M2.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETzSLf )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, they look a little wilted as is normal for a transplant but not much. seem they'll be fine
BingoBoingo: masaging the roots seems it spent a bit long in the two gallon container and could have done well in a larger one.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, no guerilla method of taking some cuttings and walking out? :P
BingoBoingo: Hopefully the rosebush does well enough to pirate it next year.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I like Rural King. It is my kind of white trash chain retailer.
BingoBoingo: It's the sort of place where you can pick up petunias, hatchling chickens, new pants, and an AR-15 all in one convenient location.
cazalla: sounds great, we don't have anything like that here, best we've got are big hardware monstrosity stores, somewhat American in size but still no chickens or guns to be had
mircea_popescu: well, no guns because not legal in australia, and no chickens because they;re not licensed to run a brothel.
cazalla: bunnings, masters hardware.. were cheap places to get cheap tools but seeing australia no longer manufacturers anything, the big stores charge aussie prices for cheap chinese shit because where else ya gonna go?
BingoBoingo: If rural king sold liquor and cigarettes I probably wouldn't ever have to shop anywhere else.
cazalla: i did pick up another guava from the local bunnings a few days ago, a pineapple guave to go with my cherry one
danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54SdxmRHV6U
assbot: Parks and Recreation: Ron's favourite store Food 'n Stuff - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zPxR45 )
BingoBoingo: Cool. I have yet to really get to dicking around with edible plants yet this year
cazalla: danielpbarron, ah look it's aubrey plaza.. love that chick
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i'm hoping to replace everything here with edible plants.. axed down some random tree here (went axe instead of chainsaw) to make room for maybe a mulberry in the spring.. stump was a cunt to get out the ground
cazalla: just gotta poison the missus' camellias so i can get some passionfruit vines in there or something else
mircea_popescu: raspberries make decent vine-y bush sorts of things
ben_vulpes: i suggest blackberries
BingoBoingo: ^
mircea_popescu: also. but less thorny
BingoBoingo: Blackberries bare better suited to my front garden, because thorns.
BingoBoingo: Except then you get birds shitting purple all over when they come to gorge