assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00074764 = 31.6999 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 327.5, Best ask: 328.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 328.0, 24 hour volume: 28801.57254709, 24 hour low: 322.04, 24 hour high: 365.07, 24 hour vwap: 0
decimation: ah well this would be the place. I suggest reading the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com if you are curious
ben_vulpes: remember how i was lamenting abandoning my m.e. toolchain for computers?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can't say as i know why your cutoff tool's doing that to the piece. the mark looks like an overheating of either workpiece or cutting tool, but the geometry indicates that it was spiraling in on a single pass.
ben_vulpes: i'd expect you to not be cutting so deep on a single pass (if your tooling even supported it) (due to apparently having a working understanding of machining limitations), which implies some crazy connection between out of true-ness of the workpiece maybe?
ben_vulpes: but even that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
ben_vulpes: sometimes one just sees weird marks on the finished pieces - typically, one programs in a light finishing cut with a sharp tool to keep qa "engineers" from failing the piece on visual inspection.
ben_vulpes: also the geometry's a bit weird for a single-pass cut, which reduces the likelihood.
ben_vulpes: so i helped with a wide-bore bearing one time
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: there's a market for single-piece metal collars? aren't the leather ones flexible by design?
ben_vulpes: <ninjashogun> jurov, hi. I'm actually a startup founder << oh look, i pin the tail on the recruiter donkey and the original spamgun shows up in an effort to lend credence to the notion that they're seperate entities
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> imm prolly usg covert << no mp is usg covert
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (more in that vein: are the tax authorities permitted to harass them, as if they were mortals? or need permission first.) << usg employees are notoriously immune to "mistakes" on their filings.
decimation: ben_vulpes: single-piece collars as in no hinge?
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decimation: ben_vulpes: that's a neat rocket assembly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01060006 = 0.848 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lifetime slavegirls have little use for leather collars.
mircea_popescu: nah, copper compounds aren't tolerated well by the skin.
assbot: FAQ | L-39 Enthusiasts
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <kakobrekla> imm prolly usg covert << no mp is usg covert << no u
mircea_popescu: a good third of why trilema is so powerful is that i goddamn post.
decimation: but it's difficult to machine obviously
decimation: avoid nickel. platinum works for me too but a bit pricey :)
mircea_popescu: not really that pricey. you wouldn't want more than a couple of ounces given that weight harms tissue
decimation: platinum also develops a neat grayish patina
decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders why the police need a .50 cal rifle
decimation: I know a few private citizens that own full-auto machine guns
decimation: you need to fill out the right forms and have someone with a note from Stalin give you leave
mircea_popescu: afaik the ballistic car stopers is shooting the tires. which can be done with a bb gun really
decimation: as I recall it was also a couple $$ per shell
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i'm not so sure about that new background colour
decimation: for the purposes of police, it would seem much more practical to use 'stop strips'
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, jagged bits of hot metal going any which way
decimation: I doubt any political figure in the dc area is going to allow someone to fire a small cannon at a criminal
decimation: asciilifeform: human-piloted or otherwise?
decimation: maryland state police used those eurocopter doulphins for awhile
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Massachusetts State Police New Helicopter
decimation: maryland was/is the only state that had a fully government owned/operated medivac system
decimation: to take care of the 30k people who die per year on the roads, of course
decimation: I guess if you have a few $tn to blow every year you gotta have your manned people-search helicopters
dub: sorry is this argument that you don't want to have your life saved by this service because tax?
mircea_popescu: "A posting every day; an interesting idea every three months…" not a bad byline
decimation: when I was living in maryland it struck me as very odd about how powerful the local counties were
dub: praps tehre should be a non-resuss clause inherent in being a libertard
decimation: dub: I was implying that other localities get by with civilian pilots
mircea_popescu: dub the argument is that if you spend ten grand on an omlette when your entire weekly budged is 6k, people coming in to derp about how "so you don't want to eat" get a pie to the face.
decimation: asciilifeform: I considered living in pg county once - until I realized how high the local property tax rates were
mircea_popescu: decimation you don;'t really have to own property to live there tho, do you ?
dub: these wage numbers are terrifying
decimation: yeah this is a good point. I rent now and I'm reluctant to get back into the real estate bezzle world
joecool: decimation: NJ has had that since the 80's, just took delivery of 5 new helicopters in the past year or two
decimation: if you lived in say, bowie, you would have to pay nearly 2% per year
dub: someone instructing others in teh use of aircraft earns $50k?
assbot: Brutal system of teen beatings continues at Rikers Islands RNDC prison | New York Post
mircea_popescu: AMONG THE VICTOMS: Eighteen-year-old Christopher Robinson (pictured) was killed in 2008 by thugs in "The Program", a brutal heiarchy which victomizes youths at Rikers Island including an imnate who was hospitalized for a broken jaw."
decimation: dub: piloting is an interesting chumpatron. most pilots earn peanuts, but they all hope to fly for the 'major' airlines and earn $300k per year
dub: sorry. a lot less, they take a break from earnign essentially nothing to go an earn an apparently desirable $50k
mircea_popescu: dub flying is a labour of love. what, you think mthreat hopes to make any sort of profit flying a jet for no reason ?
assbot: United Airlines Pilot Pay Rates
assbot: Four female prison guards impregnated by same inmate - CBS News
assbot: PG Police robot demo - YouTube
decimation: of course only maryland can explain why they hire women to guard hardened gangsters
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decimation: there is something poetic about a prisoner literally impregnating the state's authority personified, and it says something about usg & friends
decimation: yes, he's no doubt a supreme 'alpha' type
decimation: baltimore isn't exactly known for its quality governance . watch "The Wire" if you wanna know the details
decimation: asciilifeform: that's a neat little two-wheel bot
decimation: heh. I think it could be built for less than $500
decimation: that little bot seems more useful than a 0.50 cal rifle to a policeman. ideally, one could use it to 'scout' to see if "worst case swat team" is really required, rather than joe the constable
dub: less than $50 in bulk
decimation: I suspect a majority of engineers working in the us feed their families on this business model
decimation: Well, if I were going to bust open a door, I would want to know what is behind it
assbot: Q: SFSIWI Edition : Atomic Toasters
decimation: lol looks like a good way to lose a finger
decimation: 'gnu software': parsers written by derps who can't write parsers
decimation: asciilifeform: what kind of bell must be rung to convince people that 'reviewing' the monstrous pile of C code (on the C-machine) modern software uses is not just difficult - it's impossible
decimation: I've been reading derpage in the media about how much money amazon & google make of the wintel/linux stack and how little they obviously look at the details of what they are building
decimation: inevitably there's going to be some usg 'dept of c-machine hygiene'
decimation: the vegetable analogy is incomplete - the 'vegetable' could get up and walk, or at least move its fingers, at any time
decimation: patient chooses to wallow in its vegetableness instead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 211 @ 0.12399059 = 26.162 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.12117142 = 2.5446 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1091 @ 0.00410419 = 4.4777 BTC [-] {8}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> for one thing, you can't really shower with one. << gold necklace?
ben_vulpes: mthreat: i creamed myself over the l39
ben_vulpes: grepping logs for the link in question will illuminate much
mthreat: ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc
mthreat: ben_vulpes: but operating cost... burns up to 160 gallons per hour. i think jet fuel is $5/gallon.
mthreat: actually it probably burns more than 160gallons/hour at full throttle
assbot: Warbird Alley: L-39 Albatros Pilot Report
dub: thats a lot cheaper than your avg superyacht
The20YearIRCloud: I saw one that sold for something along the lines of $250k in full military gear
The20YearIRCloud: Some americans use mph, especially dealing with ww2 era aircraft
ben_vulpes: might actually get somewhere for a grand in that thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00074524 = 18.2211 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.12223078 = 1.589 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: don't go chasing buterin waterfalls.. (this one might be a tsunami)
[]bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December"
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01036353 = 0.5078 BTC [-]
cazalla: 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 316.0, Best ask: 316.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.43000, Last trade: 316.44, 24 hour volume: 33120.41662483, 24 hour low: 315.01, 24 hour high: 354.75, 24 hour vwap: 335.779786497
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01036083 = 0.518 BTC [-] {3}
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December"
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Apocalyptic: <cazalla> [10:38:13] 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged // may be explained by the fact that it's almost all shorts if you're referring to bitfinex
thickasthieves: i'm trying to figure out the current total btc swaps out on bfxdata.com
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December"
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assbot: Short logic (Reddits crappy ultimatum to remote workers and offices)
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gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 34759474311.6 based on data since last change | 37121113125.0 based on data for last three days
gribble: Current Blocks: 323941 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 634 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 34759474311.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.28287
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December"
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gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.71, Best ask: 307.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 307.77, 24 hour volume: 34788.90694890, 24 hour low: 307.11, 24 hour high: 353.87, 24 hour vwap: 333.475147624
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cazalla: ooh, just in time whoever that was
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gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 307.28, Best ask: 307.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 307.98, 24 hour volume: 38748.62497416, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 351.17, 24 hour vwap: 328.963391846
decimation: asciilifeform: there is an amusing side story to that little two-wheeled bot - it's called the 'recon scout'. Turns out that it was made for the us military, who don't give a shit about civilian usg frequency allocation rules. When they wanted to sell it in the us, they had to get a special note from Stalin because it was actually operating ... in the middle of the ham band:
http://www.arrl.org/news/fcc-allows-robotic-device-in- assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.13899672 = 0.695 BTC [+] {4}
decimation: hams were pissed, asked fcc to reconsider - fcc reconsidered and said "yeah you can operate your bot in the ham band"
assbot: FCC Denies ARRL Petition to Deny ReconRobotics Licenses, But Limits Devices to 100 kHz Bandwidth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44144 @ 0.0007494 = 33.0815 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Navy: Self-Guided Unmanned Patrol Boats Make Debut - ABC News
dub: was pondering a personal defense bot a few years ago, like a smart shuriken you can deploy a bunch of when under attack form ninjas and zombies
dub: and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm
decimation: if one would go to the trouble of engineering an ejection system, why not add a parachute for each seat?
dub: or encase them in a protective foam/substance
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <davout> oui et toi-même ?
jurov: ;;later tell davout you really don't need help with x.eur MM bot? i don't even remmeber when there were any asks
empyex: jurov: [X.EUR] Bids: 1875 @ 0.00120000 2000 @ 0.00100000
jurov: i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore
jurov: i'm then reluctant to invest time and effort into improving coinbr, too
thickasthieves: because mpex isnt providing anything people want to play with intraday
thickasthieves: hl just has the mining thing, AM holdouts, and RENT IPOz
jurov: ikr. but it at leas it does not have such desolate looking order books
thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges
thickasthieves: itd also be nice if the pricing werent abstracted in some fukt way that i need a spreadsheet just to know values
pankkake: jurov: 0.00020000 * 44`166 for F.MPIF, isn't it a market maker opportunity?
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021861 B (Total: 478.05 B). Delta: -2.17 B. I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
jurov: ;;calc 0.00021861/1.01
jurov: ;;calc 0.00021861*1.01
jurov: i shall trade outside of this
jurov: but i want a bit bigger margin
jurov: don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 26200 @ 0.00019809 = 5.19 BTC {3}
jurov: oh they're liquidating as i'm writing...lemme see
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 17966 @ 0.000195 = 3.5034 BTC [-]
jurov: done. i'll now prolly pester mircea about buyback
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 312.4, Best ask: 312.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 313.39, 24 hour volume: 38702.20084884, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.371621193
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305176.15 in 536 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.75
thickasthieves: 5000btc wall at 300$, someone really doesnt wanna lose the bitbet
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.82, Best ask: 314.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 314.07, 24 hour volume: 39060.58237394, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.651978774
mircea_popescu: the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price.
thickasthieves: jdany messaged me on bitcointalk asking why i left, i explained there was no reason to stay and that here is better
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mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 313.01, Best ask: 314.61, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 314.61, 24 hour volume: 38969.08891951, 24 hour low: 301.0, 24 hour high: 350.0, 24 hour vwap: 326.626642982
jdany_: I was wondering where some of the more active names were going...
mircea_popescu: the log should provide ample reading material to catch up.
jdany_: Yep. So, do you guys stay active in Havelock - or are there other securities that I don't have exposure to
thickasthieves: and the only securities woth consideration are probably on mpex
thickasthieves: although he did just lose a bunch of fiat for his fiat business
jdany_: I was speaking generally
jdany_: but, I assume you got shafted at some point with AM
thickasthieves: depends what you mean? did i sell all shares at absolute top, no?
thickasthieves: did i get skimmed for 90 or so shares lost in transfers, yes
jdany_: Everything with you happened very abruptly.
mircea_popescu: their retarded "we'll issue shares, but on glbse ; we'll keep the shares, but on our own ah-doc registry" was perhaps the most braindamaged piece of financial management ever displayed to the public.
mircea_popescu: it marginally beats even the wall street derps doing gauss copulae on excel spreadsheets
assbot: Peter Thiel Wants to Make Hackers Into Heroes -- NYMag
jdany_: I figured you get fed up, dumped and bailed
thickasthieves: mp yeha it got to a point where there were too many unique open cases and balancing the transfer books was impossible
mircea_popescu: "Name a science fiction movie in the last 25 years that shows technology in a positive light,” says Peter Thiel << anything made in asia ?
dub: tbh 'they' have continue to display a good level of brain damage
The20YearIRCloud: It showed technology in a positive light, humans were finally unable to destroy gaia
jurov: transcendence or how it was called was rather positive about tech
thickasthieves: jdany_ leaving AM (and all bitcoin securities dealings) was something that took a few mos to prep and execute
mircea_popescu: matrix ? nah. the us anti-intellectualism fully at work : technology as the magic of the evil, desocialised, psychopathic dr evil.
mircea_popescu: "Tall and thin with close-cropped hair and ageless skin" what the motherfucking shit is wrong with these people.
mircea_popescu: who thinks anyone cares to hear about how thiel's skin is ?!
mircea_popescu: is this some sort of braindamged feminism run amok where they imagine that if they "microagress" the patriarchy by discussing thiel as if he were some made-to-fuck-once-and-discard popstarlet something's gonna happen ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, something other than chuckles at their expense ?
mircea_popescu: his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00074602 = 25.3647 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> the risk when one tries to artificially depress a security is that he'll end up selling most of his load at the lowest price and then have to repay the borrow at the high price. < way easier to default
mircea_popescu: if they end up defaulting because misjudged their strength and got head bit off by bitcoin i'll have the most satisfying wank conceivable by man
mircea_popescu: i'll prolly have a special lotion designed for the experience.
mircea_popescu: ohohohoho notrly. while the abject selfdebasing of the highschool priss is exactly of zero practical weight, as there are more pleasant girls and better trained, so one'd never seriously use her for a direct purpose,
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 3875629.8332 USD and would take the last price up to 491.5800 USD, resulting in an average price of 387.5630 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0915 seconds
jurov: what can usg default on? does it have any bitcoin-denominated debt yet?
jurov: who borrowed btc to them?
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> his skin could be hellraiser's for all the difference it'd make to his life. /// maybe the guy just had particularly distracting skin, probly not, but ive seen such before
jurov: not sure if serious..link?
mircea_popescu: jurov i am serious, it is not public knowledge either.
mircea_popescu: you know, just like the $ amt someone paid for their supposed stash is not public knowledge.
jurov digests the information
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 34976843352.0 based on data since last change | 37790971411.8 based on data for last three days
The20YearIRCloud: Well this is nice, i didn't realize the controller for my kids quadcopter was a 2.4ghz device. It jams our home's wifi signal
The20YearIRCloud: the router i believe switches channels automatically when there's a signal blocking it, i think the helicopter thing is just so leaky that it prevents the wifi sinal
TheNewDeal: I was going to say, tell him to fly it by your least favorite neighbor
mircea_popescu: hm this shouldn't really be possible, surprised they allowed the import
The20YearIRCloud: It does,but when we fly it outside there isn't any wifi interuption it sems
mircea_popescu: they still gotta get a cert to be allowed to import it.
TheNewDeal: can I bring this on an airplane and fuck with people?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not really in your best interest. if you manage to mess with the plane's comms you might even crash it
mircea_popescu: justusranvier hey, can i get you to contribute an article to qntra ?
gribble: wywialm was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <wywialm> Oh, yeah. In this we certainly agree
gribble: princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <princessnell> hey gang
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: chetty: you wrote bash bug?! <<< she'd better not have lol
mircea_popescu: but anyway, chet.ramey@case.edu aka 64EA74AB duly recorded.
mircea_popescu: mthreat: ben_vulpes: I had assumed the l-39 went for around $1M, but they actually go for $175k up to $500k depending on avionics, refurbishing, etc <<< the opcost is the bigger problem there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6774 @ 0.00074611 = 5.0541 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.0, Best ask: 284.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.94000, Last trade: 284.94, 24 hour volume: 48575.62049890, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 320.382021226
mircea_popescu: cazalla: 150k + coins traded yet bitcoin days destroyed has not budged << lulzy.
mircea_popescu: decimation: Later they opted to operate more bots in the ham band <<< seems a reasonable solution, really. emergency ham band requisition. what'd you have them do ?
mircea_popescu: dub: and system where an airliner falling out of teh sky ejects its passengers to be individually caught by bot swarm <<< from what i recall this is actually under commercial development.
mircea_popescu: jurov: i feel like no one is looking to mpex and nobody notices stuff anymore << no, i noticed, left the guy a later tell.
TheNewDeal: I would love to see some people take a few chomps at that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.80694984 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 418 satoshi per share
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 2998710.2763 USD and would take the last price up to 300.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 299.8710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 33.2073 seconds
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ?
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 30000 bitcoins right now would take 9007328.7238 USD and would take the last price up to 323.3100 USD, resulting in an average price of 300.2443 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 50.2833 seconds
mircea_popescu: jurov: don't want to end up with whole position on F.MPIF side << why not ? i'll just unwind it. the latest report actually says so, didja read it ?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 291.15, Best ask: 292.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 292.0, 24 hour volume: 49356.65947835, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 318.060741075
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
TheNewDeal: very surprised litecoin isn't taking an accelerated nosedive
mircea_popescu: not so in bitcoin. getting rid of the tardstalk/reddit/etc "community" and burning a bunch of "experts" is a fucking godsend, if they'll just stfu about it and move on to their next cool thing that'd be great.
TheNewDeal: Can't wait to see how quickly tim drapers coins get munched on bitstamp
assbot: /openbazaar How migrate from beta 1 to beta 2 ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 323984 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 591 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 56 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35100796468.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.26761
PeterL: mircea_popescu: have you found anything interesting to do with the huge amounts of cash held by MPIF?
PeterL: should be a report out soon?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.0, Best ask: 284.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.24000, Last trade: 284.0, 24 hour volume: 50063.36157078, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 346.75, 24 hour vwap: 315.736945727
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,925.
TheNewDeal: and as quickly as the wall appeared, its gone
TheNewDeal: is huobi volume considered legitimate, or were they included on the bucket-shop scam list?
TheNewDeal: i've heard he's got a new entrepreneurship
jurov: ohmy. remove me from the bash admin before i make bigger mess
kakobrekla: its prolly not a good idea that all the filtering is left up to me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i mean is : if you had a stash of 1mn units using x hardcoded band,
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you think it more expedient to relocate some random sporadic ham stuff ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla opens an umbrella and prepares for shitstorm
bounce: ham bands work best when they're the same world-wide. also, ham operators are remarkably useful in SHTF situations, and otherwise are very little bother since they tend to know their stuff. so no, it's neither smart nor expedient to try and relocate them. much easier to not be assholes and play nice from the start.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the worldwide problem is the silver bullet here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00074495 = 1.1547 BTC [-]
Dimsler: should be able to make this
Dimsler: argeninta in the spring is gorgeous
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mircea_popescu: i think about half of that comes in the form of extremely intense rain
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bounce: he doesn't? I see him make much better decisions (from his perspective) than either the EU or the US (from their respective perspectives)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it's a reference to this idiotic comment by some us derp or other
mircea_popescu: ;;google "putin doesn't understand how the world works"
mircea_popescu: you know who understands how the world works ? obama lmao. putin doesn't.
mircea_popescu: every single time they've met in the field the russian feed the kenyan's ass to him, but hey.
mircea_popescu: why let facts and scores get in the way of things. besides, scoring is raycist
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 296.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.61000, Last trade: 295.5, 24 hour volume: 49890.61529527, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 342.15, 24 hour vwap: 313.35706663
danielpbarron: one of the OpenBazaar guys said he'd send someone in here; that's what the tweet I linked to was about
danielpbarron: they are trying to make some sort of decentralized reputation system
danielpbarron: heard about them on freetalklive, a radio show I am beginning to suspect is run by government plants
mircea_popescu: heh that 260 dollar btc bet guy's gonna be pretty pissed
TheNewDeal: I have a feeling that sub 300 is going to feel like a dream in about 1 week
Dimsler: like the jackolantern market peaks in mid november
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hanbot: mircea_popescu re your latest, didja read the comments on that krugman abortion? no wonder he's all bitter and loath to detail, guy's own readergroup is throwing tomatoes by now.
jurov: danielpbarron did he brie you?
jurov: otherwise i don't see there anything upworthy
mircea_popescu: guy works as a stupid sifter that's not really dragging up that much stupid.
jurov: in that log it is not said how
jurov: maybe ninja gives good bjs, whatcha know
hanbot: mircea_popescu it's like he's become his own LCD
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> jurov bribe like, with money ?! < with the coins he got from daniel in the first place
mircea_popescu: i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i dunno how one is supposed to have an os without a pipe. ipads, winboxes, the whole shebang. how ?
hanbot: you use an h2o| and stop caring about getting anything done?
jurov: install an app for every little thing you want to do. oh and pay for the privilege.
danielpbarron: jurov, my rating doesn't grant voice at the moment
mircea_popescu: ideally it'd work on the powers of two. first time a week, 1 bitcent, then 2 4 8 etc
jurov: that would work better if voice could be resold
mircea_popescu: "it is unclear if bitcoin has any economic value", says nobel prize laureate.
mircea_popescu: because totally, the fact that we can actually do the above now is not economical or valuable.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the plundering has a larger cost to them than to us.
mircea_popescu: because they have to keep selling us the proceeds of their selftheft below market.
decimation: re: ham bands << the point is that the 'law' already gave those frequencies to the hams, except when it would inconvenience a company to redesign the product
mircea_popescu: it's actually a better deal in dollars than to hold on btc.
decimation: although if you read the fine print, the police bot is technical secondary to the ham
mircea_popescu: as the obligation to repay btc held on the usg is actually going to increase somewhat faster than the btc itself
decimation: so it would actually be legal to blast it off the air
mircea_popescu: it's one of those win-win/lose-lose scenarios. basically they're cutting their herds to drown us in blood
mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.
☟︎ decimation: it would be interesting to try to trace the btc in the sr stash
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decimation: well, someone is 'renting' all those miners for over the expected return
decimation: there's alot of btc that wants to be washed
decimation: personally I find it far more likely that some big bank/'investment house' is doing usg's bidding in exchange for future favors from usg
decimation: many in the us are easily confused on this point
decimation: they think they bank with some local bank, not the fed/fdic/whatever
TheNewDeal: all the biggest banks are in bed with the fed anyways
decimation: TheNewDeal: that's the point, thus the usg is responsible for their actions, as mp just wrote
bounce: pffft. they /are/ the fed. it's not actually an usg institution.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, thinking about it... the usg problems come down to a poor implementation of the pipe.
mircea_popescu: that thing's a lot more fundamental than usually given credit for
bounce: lay down the pipe and open a window. slowly!
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2014 18:32:30; mircea_popescu: i gotta say btw, the pipe is like... the greatest invention ever.
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2014 18:47:24; mircea_popescu: i doubt hte usg gets anything at this point. just a lengthy succession of narrow "experts" who keep passing data cross a "telephone wire", while the meanings of the terms used change on every pass.
mircea_popescu: in fact, if you get the pipe right, it doesn't even actually matter if you get anything else right
mircea_popescu: in this perspective, the blockchain is the major point of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: which happens to be correct, and peripherally a point i've oft made, say how "bitcoin is not the derps"
decimation: I was thinking about this last night. How can you be certain that your hvac control pipe is not connected to the self-destruct thermite bomb pipe?
decimation: if they are both connected to the same von neumann machine (or network of such machines) you can't be certain
decimation: in the sense that you can check that they are physically unconnected
decimation: it's difficult to inspect the usg/fed's actions with the naked eye
mircea_popescu: macro events are visible, and the forest-for-trees problem is something one can approach with training and talent
decimation: I suspect parts of usg/its agents are working against each other
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assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November :: 1.04 B (95%) on Yes, 0.06 B (5%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 98`674 (100`000 to 1)
decimation: re: pipes
http://rt.com/news/191132-belgium-build-beer-pipe/ "An underground pipeline carrying 5,700 liters of beer an hour will be built in Belgium’s historic city of Bruges. A family-owned brewery will pump beer direct to a bottling plant in the suburbs to cut the number of trucks on ancient cobbled streets."
TheNewDeal: so does a new beer just flush out the old?
TheNewDeal: would be interesting to taste the inbetween state
mircea_popescu: i imagine if that thing's in use for a few centuries the bugs living in the pipe will be pretty wow.
mthreat: my friend owns beer.net. maybe it'll be worth more now!
decimation: I suspect they would have to flush the beer pipe regularly
TheNewDeal: might find a couple street bums trapped in there too
joecool: asciilifeform: is it eligible for prime delivery?
decimation: oh noes, terrorists are going to be HNO3 off of amazon to make TNT?
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http://t.co/IfdbZEXpkZ mircea_popescu: i'd be very curious to see first hand if the us based, usg fed "feminists" in the us would actually pick a rifle and a picket, when it comes to it.
mircea_popescu: at the rate things are going, this curiosity looks likely to be satisfied.
mircea_popescu: bitches better be resourceful, what is this $1200 a month retainer talk ?
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i will take it very personally if the actual financial collapse of the us is brought about by a manic attempt to chase losses in their failed attempts to maninpulate the btc price. << lol! those causes.
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decimation: asciilifeform: thanks for that gentoo -systemd tip. it would be handy to make a systemd-free linux box
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pete_dushenski: and with that, i'm off to enjoy the last of this beautiful weather!
Dimsler: will you stop with the play by play market updates
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00074411 = 22.3233 BTC [-] {2}
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decimation: note to young 'progressive' 'open source' coders: you have swallowed the kool-aid. If you actually want to make a difference and not end up like Mr. Ramey, please focus on the pipes, from the silicon up.
Shakespeare: <+mircea_popescu> thickasthieves: would love if mpex or an mpex property offered any sort of price instrument that would allow moving volume from other exchanges << specifically ? /// well, i'll start with the moon: just buy bitfinex and offer the whole shebang! otherwise, just would be nice to trade somewhere more private, transparent and trustworthy. The product could be options,
Shakespeare: futures, and margin and leverage would be nice too.
Shakespeare: i knew a ham radio enthusiast, he's a free mason now
decimation: Shakespeare: ham radio has its share of whackos
Shakespeare: <+mircea_popescu> guy puts 1 bitcent in, gets a !up from assbot. // might be on to something there
Shakespeare: good way to offset the chill factor from !up
kakobrekla: 1 satoshi per char for all so everyone will shut the fuck up!
bounce: hmno. initially I'd say as long as it isn't the only way. but you'd get peddlers expecting to be heard for their money. you know, query floods, rageddos, etc.
Shakespeare: every !down puts 10satoshi debt on their wot
bounce: think about it. suppose you're neither l1 or l2, and you stick money in it. you start your valuable because costly pitch. then someone puts the !down on you.
bounce: you're fired up because you want to pitch, and you get rebuffed. gone investment, gone good monies! rage! and it goes downhill from there. -- there's an implied promise with this idea that I'm not happy with.
Shakespeare: mp, at least that gives you an idea of where i stand though
bounce: what, a retail exchange?
mircea_popescu: maybe i should replace obama, but in such a way as to make the usg work the way you want it to ?
bounce: then replace obamaman for the social justice angle
Shakespeare: i aint asking for the world, you used to offer option after all
mircea_popescu: mpex options never worked as this popularly delusional "engine to turn derpage into monyz/social relevance"
Shakespeare: sry i'm not sober, went to my first football game
mircea_popescu: that a bunch of sites promise to do this has everything to do with the promising and nothing to do with the delivering.
mircea_popescu: that the derps in question will take something that "maybe" will deliver them the impossible, rather than something that makes it plain it ain't happening is entirely their problem.
Shakespeare: what are you on about? how is trading BTC against USD about social relevance and derpage?
mircea_popescu: im not in the business of making sites which "maybe" will make random joe blow rich.
Shakespeare: the premise here was wishing mpex had a way to trade against USD
kakobrekla: you can trade otc with optional delivery
bounce: what, options on bitbet outcomes?
kakobrekla: i have in the past dumped coins to sturles and left fiat waiting with him for some months before i decided to repurchase/get fiat
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare dude you're something else. "o someone should build a car with wings" "Would you buy one if built ?" "i shouldn't have to say"
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 / 0.0026347 (459 shares, 1.21 BTC)
TheNewDeal: basically what an option is, an adequately priced entry fee
mircea_popescu: decimation oddly the fully delivered euro future never got very much volumne, historically.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if the requirements to take delivery were too cumbersome or wtf exactly.
decimation: seems like euros are good enough for anyone wanting to trade fiat
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yeah, i guess the bitbet bets are probably the cheapest/most open avenue at the moment.
decimation: obviously the dude is unfamiliar with engineering stuff. it's quite customary to ask for development costs up front, on the assumption that several will be bought
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Shakespeare: the qntra blaw should be called uuddlrlrbastart
mircea_popescu: "It would be interesting, that is, to ask Coulter about the reflex of lying that’s now sutured into the modern conservative movement’s DNA—and to get her candid assessment of why conservative leaders treat their constituents like suckers."
assbot: The Long Con - The Baffler
decimation: maybe they can sign up Mr. Ramey as a guest author
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mircea_popescu: justusranvier that was the idea, give it a little editorial anchor
decimation: I find it hilarious that the lefties in the us keep raising the fear that 'evil republicans will raise money to buy elections' while failing to notice that the lefties receive 'in-kind' contributions from us media worth $bns
TheNewDeal: draper put down 1 on yes, trying to recoup with wall
justusranvier: I'll see what I can do. Won't be tonight because I've got to go producea couple videos
decimation: yeah basically it's 'oh noes they might manipulate the masses like we do!'
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the entire "thief screaming thief" and "consumate liar discussing other's dna-sutured bla bla" is rather amusing
mircea_popescu: justusranvier doesn't have to be tonight. wait, you produce video too ?!
justusranvier: We've started to publish talks from our Bitcoin meetups to YouTube
justusranvier: Tonight is bitstien giving a #bitcoin-otc and GPG contracts tutorial, followed by yamamushi demoing his "filesharing over bitmessage" app
assbot: Following the Trail Nixon Blazed | National Review Online
justusranvier: tomorrow is the daniel krawisz reviewing Nick Szebo's "Shelling Out" as a money origin theory
Shakespeare: no complaints about the SR bet resolution it seems
mircea_popescu: decimation there's an entire conspiracy theory built on the premise that it was really because of the rf thing that the "left" "set him up"
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mircea_popescu: much like the more aged libtards today are rewriting the story of clinton's lauhgable gullibiility/idiocy in terms of "hysteria"
decimation: they certainly had means, motive and opportunity
mircea_popescu: because yea, totally, not being able to tell the nation to go fuck itself and mind its own business on live tv is everyone else's fault but the president's.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14639999 = 1.0248 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: heh yeah, the biggest weakness of the presidency is an inability to admit that it sucks
Shakespeare: so, would a huge ask order like this be allowed in US markets, or do they have rules about it?
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decimation: you can't even move more than $10k in the us without usg permission
Shakespeare: i'm just wondering if they have rules about manipulative orders
bounce: without inviting them to sue you on the spot, you mean. you don't get permission, you incriminate yourself and they may or may not persecute you for it.
decimation: try moving $50k from your brokerage to your checking account in less than a few days
Shakespeare: i moved $30k a few weeks ago, they just made me respond to a message
decimation: it's true you can move it quickly with a wire
decimation: but I guarantee a notice went to the bank's regulator
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare the rule is you can't put up orders you don't intend to go through.
TheNewDeal: the question is interesting though. What would the rules be on creating a wall that wasnt executed
mircea_popescu: other than that, you can put up whatever walls you wish.
Shakespeare: decimation, no notice is needed, exchange files 1099
decimation:
http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/aml_history.html Bank Secrecy Act (1970) Required banks to (1) report cash transactions over $10,000 using the Currency Transaction Report; (2) properly identify persons conducting transactions; and (3) maintain a paper trail by keeping appropriate records of financial transactions
assbot: History of Anti-Money Laundering Laws
decimation: whether a 'wire' counts as cash is up to usg of course
Shakespeare: yeah either way, it's not money you can hide
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00124361 = 1.2436 BTC [-] {7}
decimation: yeah in general dealing in dollars means dealing with usg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 500 @ 0.0018875 = 0.9438 BTC [-] {15}
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no forum posts to report and prob won't be going forward seeing this qntra thing has legs
mircea_popescu: "central to the right-wing appeal for generations: that liberalism is a species of madness"
mircea_popescu: dude they've got it i swear. that's exactly what the problem is with libertards. their preferred ideology is a species of madness.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45813 @ 0.00074302 = 34.04 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: well, that guy from ccn responded
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