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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.0008848 = 16.9439 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: and the smart card is inspectable?
mike_c: ping pankkake
benkay: kinda what i'm impling, kakobrekla
pankkake: mike_c: all is good now
mike_c: well, wanted to let you know i updated it a bit. if you look for an ad for a bet that I haven't picked up yet it goes and gets it in real time
pankkake: oh, great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.219 = 0.657 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23816262 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 133 @ 0.02701232 = 3.5926 BTC [-] {4}
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-updates-monarch-revises-imperial-pcb/
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-mining-update-0530/
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/dish-network-accepting-bitcoin/
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/grid-data-btcchina-btce-bitstamp/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00088422 = 14.2802 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: re:isolation transformers http://www.iso-puck.com/contents/en-us/d20_Price_List.html
assbot: Price Lists
decimation: Not cheap, I cannot vouch for the quality
decimation: found them googling around. There are also transformers sold for the yacht market, but I'm sure they are more expensive
decimation: I wanted to buy a 1:2 transformer to step-up my 120 volt generator to 240 volt for heavy appliances
decimation: I found a few but it was clearly not a mainstream product. What would be nice is to combine an isolation transformer with two secondary windings so you can choose your output voltage
decimation: it seems to me that the 120 volt standard in the US is extremely wasteful of valuable copper. The US should switch to the global 220/240 v standard.
decimation: This bridgeport magnetics group also sells isolation transformers designed for use in streetlights: http://www.bridgeportmagnetics.com/streetlight.html - available on a street near you :)
assbot: Streetlight Isolation Transformers
decimation: re: marine isoloation transformers http://www.sail-world.com/index.cfm?Nid=84973&refre=y&ntid=0&rid=3
assbot: Sail-World.com : Why You Should Add an Isolation Transformer to your Boat
decimation: Although there were 'No Swimming' signs that warned of the danger of electrocution, it was common practice for patrons to swim at the marina. ... Samantha tried to climb on a raft with Margaret when she suddenly started jerking in the water. ... Another boater dove in to save Samantha. He was shocked too and barely escaped with his life. Sadly, Samantha died.
decimation: pro tip: when someone is jerking randomly in the water below a "no swimming - danger of electrocution" sign, don't jump in to rescue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 69 @ 0.21216524 = 14.6394 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00088344 = 17.978 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08838 = 0.1768 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00088061 = 6.6046 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00088043 = 24.0798 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00200302 = 0.2003 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10418 @ 0.00088097 = 9.1779 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 635.12, Best ask: 636.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 636.8, 24 hour volume: 9707.94045991, 24 hour low: 611.0, 24 hour high: 636.95, 24 hour vwap: 623.512321046
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 166.97404975 BTC; +0.01831254 BTC (+0.0110%) since last check 3h 49m 52s ago.
mircea_popescu: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 46 via 27 connections.<< epic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00088148 = 16.7922 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: re: dumbcards:
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2014#560871 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: (love the log, spares my keyboard years of life)
mircea_popescu: definitely.
mircea_popescu: jurov: someday people with perfect hearing will end up wearing hearing aids with noise suppression << i'll wear assault rifles with noise supression before i do tha.t
asciilifeform: don't knock antiphase headphone till you've tried it. great in airplanes, machine rooms.
joecool: asciilifeform: meh, isolation > antiphase
asciilifeform: there's a reason everybody doesn't simply wear rifle range headphones on the plane
asciilifeform: you get sweaty
joecool: ah i use IEM's, they fit in pocket
asciilifeform: i still have mine from uni
asciilifeform: scratch that - iem appears to be actual headphone. thought you meant plugs, as used by construction crews
joecool: no, i mean balanced armatures
asciilifeform: decimation: those transformers are 'golden toilet' priced - no surprise, given the 'medical' label
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43698 @ 0.00088063 = 38.4818 BTC [-] {2}
joecool: asciilifeform: i wasn't talking about hw bitcoin wallet implementations, i was talking about openpgp smartcard implementations
asciilifeform: joecool: same problems
asciilifeform: joecool: 1) pc knows that dedicated crypto hardware is connected. compromised pc can then mitm the user.
asciilifeform: joecool: 2) vlsi - thus non-inspectable - rng and cryptographic functionality.
decimation: re: antiphase headphones - they give me a weird headache if I use them too long. Also I find that they have rolloff at the lower frequencies
asciilifeform: decimation: same. this is because they inevitably emit an audible hiss of their own.
decimation: I found really great NASCAR earphones that have 30 dB attenuation down to low frequencies - I look like a tool on the airplane
joecool: rolloff at lower freq is usually due to running inefficient low impedance headphones off a bad source
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00199663 = 0.1458 BTC [-]
joecool: can be solved with an amp, i didn't believe sensitive IEM's would be affected till i had a pair with a picky crossover
joecool: switched to an amp and they sounded like a very different pair
decimation: To be fair I haven't purchased the fancy "pilot quality" headphones made by bose etc.
asciilifeform: bose is a terrific scam (what spends so much on glossy magazine ads, and isn't ?)
joecool: i'm a big fan of westone's products, i switched to them from shure awhile back
decimation: old school pilots use passive david clark headphones
decimation: I also wonder if the antiphase headphones are modulating my eardrums at frequencies beyond my perception
joecool: asciilifeform: i don't generate keys on card for the rng issue, need to upload from laptop, but yeah sure no way to enter pin outside the laptop
joecool: so collecting keystrokes could give pin
joecool: the only assurance you have is a signature counter in the smartcard
asciilifeform: joecool: not only this, but laptop 'knows' that a crypto gizmo is connected.
asciilifeform: fails the 'would you plug this in at dr. evil's house?' test.
joecool: asciilifeform: pretty sure in the case of the smartcard it needs to initialize the card to know that it is, all it sees is a reader otherwise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 18 @ 0.11593333 = 2.0868 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.11 = 1.32 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: if you plug dumbcard into a pwned box, it will sign whatever the enemy wants to sign.
joecool: asciilifeform: not without a pin
asciilifeform: the very next time victim enters pin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.077101 = 0.1542 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: orthogonal to this is the other problem, that you (owner) have no way of verifying what it is the gizmo is capable of
asciilifeform: (e.g. the hardcoded master key that inevitably turns up in audits of various crapware)
decimation: ascii have you seen this paper http://www.ee.usyd.edu.au/people/philip.leong/UserFiles/File/papers/wallace_tvlsi05.pdf
asciilifeform: joecool: i don't generate keys on card << still has rng, for signature nonces.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07500202 = 0.225 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: You can just put the user 4-digit pin into a key derivation algorithm :)
mircea_popescu: ouch.
asciilifeform: am i the only one here who remembers how rsa sig algo works !?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.075001 = 0.3 BTC [-]
joecool: asciilifeform: probably, I honestly never looked at that, will go read now
asciilifeform: decimation: LFSRs suck. and virtually every academic treatise on rng design assumes a very impoverished physical entropy source.
asciilifeform: why? ask the builders, not me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 307 @ 0.07217058 = 22.1564 BTC [-] {18}
decimation: well, to be fair I think the application is to generate noise for comms. simulation purposes, not crypto
asciilifeform: even for simulation purposes (actually the original source of my interest in rng design, years ago) lfsr is crap. you get creeping periodicities.
mircea_popescu: benkay, "it's all hazy probability fields at this point" << so start before you fly over, get a nice scorpio, maybe it turns out a girl with big green eyes etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07013204 = 0.7013 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: it's a good point. Part of the problem is that actual calibrated analog noise sources are expensive
asciilifeform: your simulated annealing turd won't converge, you'll sit & curse the gods
decimation: but but ascii they said it's good to 8 sigma!
decimation: K-S tests etc
asciilifeform: decimation: lol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07000011 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: chairforce1: im really good at losing money << such skillz.
decimation: Last I called, NIST wanted $5-10k for "labor costs" to measure the phase noise of a microwave oscillator
decimation: was going to be 4 hours work max
mircea_popescu: oscialltors are iffy tho
asciilifeform: decimation: rng design that involves the purchase of an active volcano is probably expensive too.
asciilifeform: 'doctor it hurts when i do that. -- don't do that.' ☟︎
decimation: I feel better about a device when it has a calibration seal
asciilifeform: if it's a crypto gizmo and has seal - which i didn't put there - i've no interest in it.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: seals are scam in crypto
joecool: mircea_popescu: stickers always make things work better
decimation: this is true, and even the pros know it
mircea_popescu: it's almost like wanting to marry a virgin specifically.
asciilifeform: seals don't even keep poor buggers from fucking with electric meters.
mircea_popescu: joecool, finally someone explained bumper stickers to me.
mircea_popescu: that's why all the old chryslers and whatnot have them
joecool: covers the rust
decimation: if your crypto wasn't designed to defeat someone who knows everything about how it works, then you are not in the crypto business
mircea_popescu: ;;google ne me touche pas
gribble: Ne me touche pas - French - English Translation and Examples: <http://mymemory.translated.net/t/French/English/ne%20me%20touche%20pas>; arrete,arrete,ne me touche pas. - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcnPxgoZLNw>; PATRICIA CARLI 1963 Arrête, arrête, ne me touche pas... - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KI236fMxoY>
asciilifeform: aside from this, even a hypothetically impregnable seal is an attack against the owner (he cannot examine the package either)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10032 @ 0.00008209 = 0.8235 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: chairforce1:
mircea_popescu: so what is to gain from this jerking in this circle as opposed to others?
decimation: ascii does any commercial device you know about meet this criteria?
mircea_popescu: ask not what you gain from us or how did it go
decimation: USG doesn't share either: http://www.samm.dsca.mil/loanote/communication-security-comsec-transmission-security-transec-devices-sold-fms-for-integration
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4053 @ 0.00007939 = 0.3218 BTC [-] {9}
asciilifeform: decimation: if it did, i'da bought it, and wouldn't be trying to build
decimation: heh good point
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5000 @ 0.0001014 = 0.507 BTC [-] {35}
asciilifeform: decimation: pretty much everyone fucks the goat right off the starting line - by using a vlsi rng
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.026305 = 0.5261 BTC [-]
decimation: when you think about it, that's pretty silly, considering how easy it would be to use an analog noise source
asciilifeform: decimation: now the cost of auditing device becomes $10mil.
asciilifeform: (electron microscope, ion beam machine, etc.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 370 @ 0.00317717 = 1.1756 BTC [-] {11}
decimation: they could use a revese-biased external diode with an A/D or comperator or whatever
asciilifeform: $100k if you know a fellow who owns the above and trust him.
asciilifeform: decimation: there is no arcane secret in building a decent analogue rng.
asciilifeform: undergrad-level project.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0008816 = 4.7606 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1000 @ 0.00025176 = 0.2518 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.02658 = 0.1063 BTC [-]
decimation: the next problem: they have an auditable RNG, but how do you know they are actually using it?
asciilifeform: decimation: i'll helpfully point out where this line of thought ends: if you can't re-create the device in its entirety from the published docs, it isn't worth using.
asciilifeform: (not that anything which passes this test is automatically worth using)
asciilifeform: just as not all things which aren't poisonous are good to eat for dinner
decimation: you should implement RSA in 74xx series logic
TheNewDeal: is this about the NSA dealio?
decimation: eh?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: it's about the basic question of what it means to trust a machine
TheNewDeal: I thought MPEX's NSA was developing some RNG
TheNewDeal: or perhaps that was just one component?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: i built the rng. yes, it is only one of the components.
decimation: ah yes it's related to that
TheNewDeal: I guess "NSA dealio" was a little... nonspecific
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1475 << mp, other friends, and an rng
assbot: Loper OS » Trilema 2014
joecool: i have no idea what my keyboard controller is capable of anymore, so yeah points totally valid
asciilifeform: (small blue rectangle in bottom right hand size of first photo)
asciilifeform: *side
TheNewDeal: mp actually helped design that? didn't know he had that know-how
TheNewDeal: Thought I heard him say something about hardware not being his fortay
asciilifeform: mp provided a reason why to do it. and useful tips on related subjects.
decimation: your last comment about discrete logic lead me to research the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-17B
assbot: D-17B - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: my uni's first computer was a d-17b
asciilifeform: afaik they still have it in a closet somewhere.
decimation: the idea of swapping out a card in your CPU is amusing to me
asciilifeform: decimation: until the late '70s, all cpu designs were of this kind
asciilifeform: (not discrete switches, at the end, naturally - rather, 'bit-slice' logic)
TheNewDeal: oh my gosh, just talked to t his electrician the other day that told me he used to do maintenance on card sorters, like IBM's 074. Just thought I'd toss that in on the topic of old hardware
asciilifeform: card sorter - so you don't have to kill the fellow who dropped a deck.
asciilifeform: (with the 'card knife,' which came with the reader.)
TheNewDeal: hahaha
TheNewDeal: I though the card sorter was the actual machine that computed, no>
asciilifeform: nope. just sorted.
TheNewDeal: oh my gosh
decimation: Also I found this amusing link: http://blog.notdot.net/2012/10/Build-your-own-FPGA
assbot: Build your own FPGA - Nick's Blog
TheNewDeal: now I understand why that crazy comp science teacher told me I had it easy
asciilifeform: decimation: the most basic 'jungle fpga' is just your ordinary ROM.
asciilifeform: you can do logic (inefficiently) with a rom.
asciilifeform: (if you can't see how, think for a minute)
decimation: yeah I guess you can just craw through its contents turing-machine style
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00088301 = 17.2628 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: I'm going to go enjoy a smoke and ponder that thought
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> mp actually helped design that? didn't know he had that know-how << i'm really good at piggybacking on people's work.
decimation: Yeah I guess you can wire the address lines for the input to link to the outputs you want to simulate
decimation: implementing a turing machine would just re-invent the cpu model
TheNewDeal: haha
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: dark secret: mp studied maths, physics
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "He fleeced -assette extraordinaire kakobrekla for 145 BTC" doesn't seem an accurate rendition. iirc usagi sold pirate insurance, which he paid up on.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, the "if both your house and your bank burn down you don't care" theory is pure nonsense.
mircea_popescu: coupla years ago a hurricane hit new york with a lot of watter.
mircea_popescu: guess what ? buncha rich folks houses were underwater
mircea_popescu: and so was a major vault hoilding trillions worth of paper.
mircea_popescu: (which, btw, is STILL to this day not fully unwound)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00088162 = 23.6274 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up bigdude
TheNewDeal: oooh
TheNewDeal: speaking of dark secrets...
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu I've been trying to find a list of premine / scamcoins that you provided in the past. It was in a wikipedia format. Can't find it in the logs
TheNewDeal: I was inquiring about darkcoin when you brought it up
asciilifeform: http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/mwr/park/mimi/420B3C81-155D-4519-3E9D3013478486BF/420B3C81-155D-4519-3E9D3013478486BF.jpg
asciilifeform: (from http://www.nps.gov/media/photo/gallery.htm?id=A37956F8-155D-4519-3E9920D57BA0886A# - 'minuteman' lock)
assbot: Photo Gallery (U.S. National Park Service)
asciilifeform: and...
asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/patents/US3035433?dq=3035433
assbot: Patent US3035433 - Lock mechanism - Google Patents
asciilifeform: because now we have the net.
asciilifeform: and eyes.
asciilifeform: apparently, this is a famous lock.
decimation: there was some dumb tv show like pawn stars or something like that where some guy was trying to sell a "missile key" for $30k if I recall
asciilifeform: also found in chicago elevators.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00199999 = 0.2 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: like a fireman's lock?
asciilifeform: correct
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4421 @ 0.00088304 = 3.9039 BTC [+]
decimation: Because you know the weak link in your undrground missile silo with 10 ton doors is ... the missile launch lock
asciilifeform: the lock, as all locks, 'keeps honest man honest'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.026305 = 0.3157 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: missile lock is ceremonial item. in both american and russian procedural manuals, one turn-key is instructed to compel the other by force of arms if he refuses to carry out his half of the ritual.
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform how did you know about chicago elevators? Is that were you reside? I'm working in Chicago for the next week...
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: nope. just read a little about the lock.
TheNewDeal: shucks
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: re: elevator locks: a few years ago, a photo of a new york elevator key was posted on the net. people promptly rushed to their cnc lathes...
TheNewDeal: hahaha
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Rocket_Communications_System amusing SAC strange
assbot: AN/DRC-8 Emergency Rocket Communications System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: yo dawg, we heard to launch icbms
decimation: I mean "yo dawg, we heard you like to launch ICBMs - so we put an ICBM launch in your ICBM lauches"
joecool: lock looks difficult to pick
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.02658 = 0.1063 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.08589899 = 2.2334 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12073 @ 0.00088049 = 10.6302 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00087941 = 18.4236 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00088304 = 15.2766 BTC [+]
artifexd: There are many payment processors that take bitcoin and give the seller fiat. I'd like to see a payment processor that takes fiat and gives the seller btc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00088255 = 14.1208 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00088152 = 6.6996 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: artifexd: anyone who collects fiat from the 'unwashed masses' is a candidate for 'having problems' eventually.
asciilifeform: it can in principle be done - like inertial confinement fusion - but go and try.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4228 @ 0.00088477 = 3.7408 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00088216 = 3.7492 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-]
benkay: artifexd: https://coinvoice.com/
assbot: Coinvoice | Home
artifexd: asciilifeform: Exactly why I'd like to offload that to someone else.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.18107586 = 5.2512 BTC [-] {5}
artifexd: benkay: Huh. Sweet. Thanks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 464 @ 0.00160022 = 0.7425 BTC [-] {16}
artifexd: Unfortunately they don't take plastic. Only wire transfers and forms of money-by-mail.
artifexd: :(
benkay: lol plastic and btc
benkay: if btc is - and fiat is + then plastic is chaos and on an entirely different axis orthogonal to both crypto and fiat somehow
artifexd: Sadly, the current state of the unwashed masses on the internet is that if one wants their money, one must deal with the credit card networks.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 203 @ 0.00243378 = 0.4941 BTC [-]
benkay: what are you doing with the unwashed masses, artifexd ?
benkay: ;;gettrust poutine
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask poutine!poutine@the.infamous.poutine.pw. Trust relationship from user benkay to user poutine: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=poutine | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=poutine | Rated since: never
benkay: poutine: what are you and dignork working on?
artifexd: Eh. Nothing major. I wrote some software many years ago that still sells enough to make it worth my time to keep the website up. Making purchases go straight to bitcoin would be nice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00088385 = 25.4549 BTC [+] {2}
dignork: benkay: sorry, i typed into wrong window, we tried to play with multisig transactions on testnet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.04954094 = 0.1982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.026305 = 0.1052 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8172 @ 0.00088477 = 7.2303 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.0008858 = 16.5202 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.18024999 = 1.442 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17075 = 0.683 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.0008864 = 25.9715 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00088511 = 1.9472 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.0008831 = 9.8907 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00088669 = 8.2462 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 34 @ 0.00443082 = 0.1506 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1993 @ 0.00088239 = 1.7586 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.17 = 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00088746 = 35.454 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00088233 = 10.7644 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00088144 = 15.6015 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08800002 = 0.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13703 @ 0.00088346 = 12.1061 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.026306 = 0.2631 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00088067 = 35.447 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00087935 = 8.7935 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.026306 = 0.1578 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.0273 = 0.1365 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0273 = 0.273 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0273 = 0.1092 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07419024 = 0.2968 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.171 = 0.342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08424 = 0.1685 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.15488887 = 3.7173 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.1321126 = 7.7946 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00088601 = 23.8337 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00152977 = 0.1361 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00150106 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.13508333 = 0.8105 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0014515 = 0.1452 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 99 @ 0.134 = 13.266 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 237 @ 0.12852048 = 30.4594 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 391 @ 0.00139161 = 0.5441 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00134086 = 0.1274 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00130657 = 0.1986 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6051 @ 0.00087935 = 5.3209 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 120 @ 0.02785665 = 3.3428 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 68 @ 0.02854995 = 1.9414 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 60 @ 0.02922333 = 1.7534 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00087935 = 15.3886 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00134897 = 0.1147 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.15703925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15765 @ 0.00087935 = 13.863 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11705 @ 0.00087935 = 10.2928 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/270lki/joshua_zipkin_of_amt_advance_mining_technologies/
assbot: Joshua Zipkin of AMT (Advance Mining Technologies) threaten to kill a fellow Bitcoiner. : Bitcoin
fluffypony: aha ah ahhahahahaha hahaha haa
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.15703246 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.16029455 = 0.4809 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00087927 = 25.1471 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.15563779 = 0.4669 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00142263 = 0.1992 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.07590334 = 4.706 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: ;;seen bitcoinpete
gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 16 hours, 46 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> i do… aug 30 to sept 10
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00087955 = 14.6885 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: fluffypony: as always, MP did it first
fluffypony: I feel like I'm left out
fluffypony: I need to threaten someone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.17208494 BTC [+]
fluffypony: maybe we can have "Riccardo Spagni threatens to kill Parisian on IRC!" on Reddit next
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.00088241 = 45.3559 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.17435898 BTC [+]
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634344.0 LOL
assbot: [ASICMINER] lawsuit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 218 @ 0.00182267 = 0.3973 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3606 @ 0.00088569 = 3.1938 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.17740716 BTC [+]
pankkake: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/activemining-official-shareholder-discussion-thread-moderated.259468/page-270#post-6765921
assbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] | Page 270 | Bitcointa.lk
pankkake: !up skinnkavaj
pankkake: ;;later tell mircea_popescu storing your only two backups in the same city is no doubt risky, but still it's unlikely that you manage to salvage none if case of a natural disaster. one of the reasons I don't think paper is the ultimate backup though
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.17956706 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16099966 = 0.644 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12835 @ 0.00088569 = 11.3678 BTC [+]
fluffypony: pankkake: at some point we need to diverge from talking about backups-in-general to talking about backups-of-Bitcoin-wallets
fluffypony: we've been mingling the two
pankkake: yes, well, my bitcoin wallet has more backups because it's easier
fluffypony: yeah exactly
pankkake: and since they're not done the same way, it really would have to a catastrophic failure to lose it
pankkake: my point is just that n+1 is much better than n; just a game of probabilities
fluffypony: yep - and the reality is that a natural disaster that destroys a city will probably affect your business' ability to function anyway
pankkake: depends on the business, something like say Bitbet would be only temporary
pankkake: and losing the funds would be devastating
fluffypony: true
fluffypony: asciilifeform will enjoy this - guy debunks this solar roadway thing that raised $1.8 million on Indiegogo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H901KdXgHs4
assbot: Solar FREAKIN Roadways, are they real? - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0750011 = 0.75 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: meow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07500034 = 1.5 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.17956707 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: muzak plx
jurov: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-jXDA2RZd-C8/U4oSxzKW_MI/AAAAAAAAAiU/nJ2yph1KSOg/w1380-h923-no/P1040384.JPG lawyer talking about btc regulation. of course
jurov: ( from CEBE Vienna - https://plus.google.com/115680799946601296833/posts/a3UCv8SLLJA )
jurov: good i did not go
Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/uB_zi69GQFg
assbot: Lay Me Down - The Oh Hello's - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.02660043 = 0.1596 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.17957367 = 0.3591 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: Take me home... I want to go...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.17957367 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.17957367 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00088647 = 21.0093 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.17957388 = 0.3591 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: http://youtu.be/AObC5VKMdEc
assbot: The Oh Hellos - Hello My Old Heart - YouTube
jurov: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--k5UKXJctow/U4oM6quBZFI/AAAAAAAAAPM/-DjBJ7reve0/w957-h1431-no/P1040300.JPG do you know how much they ask for one tile?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0750001 = 0.75 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: My brain read 'counterintelligence telegraph'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.1794 BTC [-]
jurov: whole gallery is lulzworthy
jurov: Mats_cd03: they asked us about 1BTC depending on placement ... either it's just opening of the negotiations
jurov: or kako's utter fail he isn't asking more, too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.1795741 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: I wonder how many people have been suckered
fluffypony: uh
fluffypony: you're telling me that's a 300 BTC wall?
fluffypony: on a poster?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00088673 = 21.3259 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: some serious hustle by counterintelligence graph
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075001 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.1795741 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0295 = 0.59 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 26 @ 0.02969997 = 0.7722 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 106 @ 0.02997351 = 3.1772 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2339 @ 0.00088569 = 2.0716 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.185 = 0.925 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=628000.0
assbot: A Summary of Phinnaeus Gage's Investigation into Brock Pierce Thus Far
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.185 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=468095.msg5166483#msg5166483
assbot: Which Bitcoin Client do you use and why ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18666666 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: A bunch of now worthless hiding places http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/05/no_author/want-to-hide-handguns-at-home/
assbot: Want To Hide Handguns at Home? – LewRockwell.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19 = 0.38 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ah.
fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/cash-strapped-multibit-developers-charge-transaction-fee/
assbot: Cash-Strapped MultiBit Developers to Charge Transaction Fee
fluffypony: so that's how MultiBit is planning on making money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.19 = 2.47 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: goood mornin' assets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19 = 1.9 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so, for any of the hungry young wolves out there : come to buenos aires.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still moonstruck by the beef?
mircea_popescu: argentina is an incredibly rich country populated by the most pompous, clueless, ineffective and ineffectual people i have encounter in my entire life, travelling five continents.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00171786 = 0.1718 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: the egyptians have more of a clue, and they're mostly illiterate.
mircea_popescu: if you can't make a million here, there's something seriously wrong with your head.
mircea_popescu: i am literally getting a billion dollar idea a day just walking down the fucking street and noticing that wait, they actually don't have x ? bwahahahaha etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.23 = 0.46 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's why they have capital controls in place. it has nothing to do with banking. it has to do with how helpless the avearage argentine is. in an open competition with the rest of the world, it'd take about three weeks to bleed the country dry.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, lol that'll go over well im sure. their userbase is just as cash strapped.
fluffypony: what's really funny is this line: "The person behind Electrum, one of the other five wallets, also failed to respond."
fluffypony: meanwhile he's on IRC every day
fluffypony: and his email address is public
fluffypony: [14:29:35] ThomasV: I saw that email well after they sent it, because they did not use my normal email address
mircea_popescu: but maybe he did in fact fail to respond
mircea_popescu: o
fluffypony: [14:30:36] ThomasV: they sent it to my research address, with a deadline for answering
mircea_popescu: lol mk
fluffypony: [14:32:39] ThomasV: actually I believe I gave my business card to a journalist from coindesk during the amsterdam conference
fluffypony: coindesk journalism ++
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00087903 = 13.4492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18608 @ 0.00087902 = 16.3568 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bergdahl-release-arrangement-could-threaten-the-safety-of-americans-republicans-say/2014/05/31/35e47a2a-e8ff-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_print.html
assbot: Bergdahl release arrangement could threaten the safety of Americans, Republicans say - The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: artifexd: asciilifeform: Exactly why I'd like to offload that to someone else. << lol i'm sure you';re the first that thought of that :D
mircea_popescu: assbot: Joshua Zipkin of AMT (Advance Mining Technologies) threaten to kill a fellow Bitcoiner. : Bitcoin << so is this going to be the talking point of the militant us left for the remainder of 2014 ? "bitcoin is bad because bitcoiners kill people" ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I need to threaten someone << no, you just need to infiltrate the command centers of your would be "enemies" and then lead on their nonsense for lulz and butthurt.
chetty: worse, it promotes hate speech and offends people
mircea_popescu: o look, an asicminer lolsuit.
mircea_popescu: the people who can't afford to call to australia are mary-sue-ing
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: yep - and the reality is that a natural disaster that destroys a city will probably affect your business' ability to function anyway << this is, again, the nonsense i was rejecting.
mircea_popescu: if buenos aires sinks tomorrow mpex won't be disrupted in any sense. business doesn't mean anything physical unless your business sucks
mircea_popescu: much like business didn't mean farming in 1514, unless your business sucked.
fluffypony: I was thinking more about some of my business units where physical stock would be destroyed and the logistics chain would disappear
BingoBoingo: OMG Gawker has an essay about adversity I can relate to (after the shitty intro) http://gawker.com/when-god-grabs-you-by-the-balls-1584192836/all
assbot: When God Grabs You By the Balls
fluffypony: then having a million site and customer backups won't help us to continue functioning immediately
mircea_popescu: pankkake: my point is just that n+1 is much better than n; just a game of probabilities << yeah, the game works like this : the more backups you have the more avenues for theft. the fewer backups you have, the more avenues for accidental loss.
mircea_popescu: it's tight.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, right.
pankkake: I don't have any clear text backup
mircea_popescu: so then do you backup your pw ?
pankkake: currently I have two solutions, which slightly benefit from obscurity
mircea_popescu: right. but in the general terms, backups sit in between the constraint described.
pankkake: yes; while petty theft is not my concern targeted attacks can
mircea_popescu: i wasn't distinguishing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyoine with forum accounts left : pls put phinn gage on an ever escalating aggravation schedule until he fucking comes here.
mircea_popescu: like, firs tweek, one pm a day per person. next week, two. then four. ETC!!11
fluffypony: maybe he doesn't know how IRC works?
fluffypony: this is how I imagine Mats_cd03 cruises the streets: http://i.imgur.com/0koacPX.jpg
mircea_popescu: you type the moisturizer into the box!
fluffypony: lulz
Mats_cd03: ;)
mircea_popescu: "ex board member here using an anonymous alias so i will not receive backlash from other board members or friedcat
mircea_popescu: there is many dodgy scam things going on at asicminer which has personally costs me over a million dollars"
mircea_popescu: everyone can has a million dolla these days. even people affraid of forum retaliationz
chetty: Five of the Most Dangerous Taliban Commanders in U.S. Custody Exchanged for American Captive// well americans everywhere are screwed now, us has given up no negotiations policy
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: who did they trade ?
chetty: prisoners from gitmo
mircea_popescu: no i get that part.
mircea_popescu: who's the presidential bff
chetty: Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl
mircea_popescu: ahahaha WHAT
mircea_popescu: nobody ?!
mircea_popescu: dude this should be a book. every chapter's title could be "and here we punch ourselves in the face for no reason whatsoever"
chetty: Sergeant Bergdahl's recovery is a reminder of America's unwavering commitment to leave no man or woman in uniform behind on the battlefield.
chetty: election coming up
mircea_popescu: weak hand administration probably figured "it's win-win" because they give up five worthless towelheads which had to be kept at a per day cost far exceeding the cost to rent a private jet.
mircea_popescu: so it's a "cost cutting measure"
Mats_cd03: dude is a pos
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the real world... i guess the secretary of state better be careful traveling.
chetty: yeah except for the target now on our backs
mircea_popescu: yup
Mats_cd03: walked off a base then gets two soldiers killed in ensuing rescue ops
mircea_popescu: i tell you, they cut the most important policy pillar over nothing ?! it's beyond comedic.
mircea_popescu: i guess coming up next week, obama promises the us will never use its nuclear arsenal, as part of the inauguration of a primary school in a provincial town in kenya.
chetty: the headlines are very loud about it breaking the law too, for what little thats worth these days
mircea_popescu: "it'll be our gift to you, the biggest diamond we could find for some random anon swine. long live socialism! everything's equal to everything else!"
fluffypony: save the environment, buy energy efficient lightbulbs that come in packaging like this: http://i.imgur.com/7Xh1Hwa.jpg
mircea_popescu: anyway, proper headline being "taliban scores largest victory to date, surpassing mpex's previous record"
chetty: indeed, you been outdone
mircea_popescu: happens to the best of us.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if up next is china announcing that it will sanction any countries that implement us aml/kyc measures.
chetty: lmao, that would be cool
Mats_cd03: the govt has always been willing to negotiate with terrorists
Mats_cd03: words otherwise are empty and do not describe reality accurately
chetty: yeah but not on the front page, and so forth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16227 @ 0.00087816 = 14.2499 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/270re9/anybody_know_why_bitcoinaverage_usd_price_is_not/ << two cans rattle
assbot: Anybody know why BitcoinAverage USD price is not now including Bitstamp? : Bitcoin
jurov: dunno if bitstamp survives upcoming bubble
fluffypony: well here you go
fluffypony: a Brainfuck interpreter written in Bash
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/26z1er/cmv_if_i_know_perl_or_python_i_dont_need_to_learn/chw49ml
assbot: Figs comments on CMV: if I know Perl or Python, I don't need to learn bash.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: apparently you called bitcoinpete out as being a liar - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7070591#msg7070591
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.028 = 0.56 BTC [-]
fluffypony: !up Pierre_Rochard
fluffypony: Pierre_Rochard: great comments in the appcoins article
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.02857138 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
Pierre_Rochard: thank you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 63 @ 0.03 = 1.89 BTC [+]
fluffypony: I love the way the guy has a ninja mask in his picture
fluffypony: or whatever that is
fluffypony: but he's the "Executive Director of the Mastercoin Foundation"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.03094732 = 0.588 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: executive director by day...ninja warrior by night?
Pierre_Rochard: http://www.projet13.com/image_upload/cagoule-militaire-3-trous-noire.jpg
Pierre_Rochard: it’s worn by thieves around the world
Pierre_Rochard: very appropriate for his role
fluffypony: lol
Pierre_Rochard: more comfortable than wearing stockings I would guess
fluffypony: pankkake: oh noez, usagi negrated us
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.0008779 = 33.2724 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, drastic
fluffypony: omf this conversation in -otc with usagi is classic
fluffypony: he's now saying that we have no moral right to negrate him
mircea_popescu: we being whim
mircea_popescu: whom*
fluffypony: danielpbarron, Apocalyptic, pankkake, bitcoinpete, and myself
fluffypony: he's garnished us all with the negrate salt
mircea_popescu: that's a list
mircea_popescu: lol pony's first rate war ?
fluffypony: hah hah - I gave up arguing with him
mircea_popescu: that thread is quite the comedy goldmine.
mircea_popescu: someone notify porkchop
mircea_popescu: ;;rated usagi
gribble: You rated user usagi on Sat Nov 24 19:40:40 2012, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: None.
mircea_popescu: dawg im old skool
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust usagi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask tsukino!tsukino@unaffiliated/tsukino. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user usagi: Level 1: -1, Level 2: 1 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
danielpbarron: i get the feeling that he's trying to do some sort of poorly managed public relations campaign right now
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the current treatment of neg trust over l2 composition is to ignore the 2nd layer negs or to convey them
BingoBoingo: ;;rate usagi -1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user usagi has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: suppose you -1 someone and that someone -1s someone else. should you have 0 or -1 l2 with the someone else ?
BingoBoingo: That is an interesting question
mircea_popescu: it's actually very deep because it has fundamental graph theory implications
danielpbarron: why not a +1 with that someone else? (the enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of thing)
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
Pierre_Rochard: enemy of my enemy is my friend vs. scammers scamming scammers. I think the latter makes more sense in the context of trust relationships
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, that definitely doesn't work like any group algebra i ever heard of
danielpbarron: well they definitely shouldn't get a -1; I don't trust the first guy, so why would I trust his negative ratings?
mircea_popescu: im regarding it purely as a graph theory / algebraic structures isse
mircea_popescu: this may be the first time in human history that actual problems of fundamental math can be experimentally tested ;/
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot usagi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask tsukino!tsukino@unaffiliated/tsukino. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
mircea_popescu: !up Smilence
bitstein: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 10
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Pierre_Rochard has changed from 10 to 10.
fluffypony: anyway - conversation starts here: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/06/01#l1401630332
assbot: BitcoinStats
mircea_popescu: you two know each other ?
fluffypony: nope
mircea_popescu: not you lol. bitstein and Pierre_Rochard
fluffypony: oh
fluffypony: lol
Pierre_Rochard: yes, we went to college together
fluffypony: confuzin
bitstein: Pierre_Rochard and I are very close friends
Pierre_Rochard: I’m the treasurer at the Nakamoto Institute, bitstein is dear leader
fluffypony: bitstein: the appcoins smackdown was your article, no?
bitstein: That was Daniel Krawisz, our resident genius.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00088118 = 25.6423 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: aaah ok
fluffypony: he needs a pat on the back and a cookie, he did an excellent job
bitstein: I'll be sure to let him know, thanks
mircea_popescu: !up Sebastan
mircea_popescu: i c
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23383333 = 0.7015 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bitstein
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bitstein!48b66859@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitstein: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitstein | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitstein | Rated since: Thu May 29 11:37:42 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Pierre_Rochard
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Pierre_Rochard!~Rochard@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user Pierre_Rochard: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Pierre_Rochard | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Pierre_Rochard | Rated since: Sun Jun 1 10:18:50 2014
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 1 CPA
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded.
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 454.86965777 BTC. Current weight: 48,196.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate usagi -10 Based on rumors and innuendo
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from -1 to -10.
Sebastan: thanks mircea_popescu... do i have voice now permanently?
mircea_popescu: for half hour.
Sebastan: how can i make it permanent?
mircea_popescu: the way it works is that assbot looks at hte people it trusts, if they trust you you can ask it to voice you.
mircea_popescu: practically speaking, introduce yourself, build trust, all that.
Sebastan: ok...
mircea_popescu: read the logs to get up to speed.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate pirateat40 -1 kerfluffle
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user pirateat40 has been recorded.
nubbins`: so i bought a trumpet
mircea_popescu: lamo
fluffypony: is that a name for a sex toy?
Pierre_Rochard: Thanks mircea_popescu
nubbins`: fluffypony, not yet XD
BingoBoingo: fluffypony nubbins`: well, it vibrates
mircea_popescu: "this one time, in nubbins camp..."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00199356 = 0.3987 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: lol
nubbins`: worst hangover of my life yesterday, struggling not to vomit as i get out of bed, glance at FB on my way to make coffee and see that a friend is selling a trumpet
nubbins`: "hmmm..."
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard, you're the guy i was trying to get to audit the ohio rental asset thing right ?
Pierre_Rochard: yes
fluffypony: nubbins`: excellent time to make a decision
nubbins` nods
Pierre_Rochard: it’s been a while - the bezzle is time consuming
nubbins`: also excellent ammunition for when the tourette hooker neighbour starts acting up
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: now he gets to try it out on his own :D
fluffypony: nubbins`: when are you designing b-a t-shirts? you know we'll all buy and you can make a smart profit off it
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02999998 = 0.24 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: fluffypony, good question :D
nubbins`: what's the phrase again?
nubbins`: "#b-a, where the bezzle comes to die"?
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: no it's "Check your Bitcoin privilege"
mircea_popescu: i can sorta visualize the bezzle as this very raunchy bubble butted 20something mulatto
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: always trying to borrow a couple of bucks
mircea_popescu: spending her days playing the trophy whife in suburbia and coming a few nights a week for a total anal gangfest in da hood.
nubbins`: bad breath
nubbins`: that's the bezzle alright
Pierre_Rochard: spot on
nubbins`: fluffypony: i'll do up a mock-up this week and hopefully get an order page set up
fluffypony: nubbins`: ok awesomesauce
nubbins`: fair warning, probably won't print any unless we get 12+ people ordering em
fluffypony: I'll order 4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00088086 = 18.0576 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: I'll take 100
thestringpuller: what am I ordering?
fluffypony: and if you do a woman's one I'll order 2 for the wife as well
thestringpuller: when will we get "Not a member Bitcoin Foundation" t-shirts
thestringpuller: I want to buy 50 of those and hand them out at Bitcoin meetups
nubbins`: hah
fluffypony: lol
danielpbarron: I'd buy one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2444 BTC [+]
fluffypony: thestringpuller: I see you're fighting a losing battle with Mr. It's-Not-My-Fault-I-Didn't-Do-Anything-Wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00201246 = 0.3019 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: dr foreskin ?
mircea_popescu: damn, you just referenced every derp on the forum.
mircea_popescu: burnside ?
mircea_popescu: nefario ? ukyo ? who ? which ?
BingoBoingo: Deprived?
BingoBoingo: Thermos?
fluffypony: still Usagi
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=489187.0
assbot: NYAN.A Holders...what happened?
chetty: how do you tell one derp from another?
fluffypony: "Even Mircea's NYAN copycat fund lost money"
fluffypony: first he praises you - "Even Mircea knows Pete is lying"
fluffypony: then he insults you
mircea_popescu: copy what ?!
mircea_popescu: this must be some sort of obscure internet joke with cats and stuff is it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think that's a reference to the CDO whose only asset to not collapse in value was MPOE bonds
mircea_popescu: but that was a few years back.
mircea_popescu: i thought it has something to do with that rainbow cat thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46250 @ 0.00088393 = 40.8818 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: The rainbow cat thing was what usagi named his shit after
mircea_popescu: hence copycat
artifexd: nubbins`: I'll commit to two #b-a shirts. An XL and a S.
mircea_popescu: one for him,
mircea_popescu: one for his hard cock.
artifexd: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00088466 = 19.6395 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00088466 = 18.5336 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00088466 = 12.1198 BTC [+]
chetty: I would ask for shirts but someone would need to deliver, customs here is impossible
nubbins`: where's here?
kakobrekla: that bad??
kakobrekla: weird mp came through in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i will have you know i cam through with a full bottle of tuica
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.0008797 = 1.7594 BTC [-]
chetty: travel in is not a problem, its the mail
benkay: mircea_popescu: what kinds of things have you noticed b-a missing?
mircea_popescu: people.
chetty: hmm ok is b-a bitcoin-assets or Buenos Aries
kakobrekla: its seems its one and the same now.
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/01/may-combined-trading-statement/
assbot: May Combined trading statement | Bingo Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19807860 BTC to 9`140 shares, 24049 satoshi per share
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/01/may-combined-trading-statement/
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You can numbers now.
nubbins`: got some more talking heads on vinyl the other day
nubbins`: i tell ya, there's something deeply satisfying about listening to music this way
jurov: lol one can't just send t-shirts to argentina?
kakobrekla: in the frequent walks to the platter.
benkay: ^^ sounds archaic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00088085 = 12.0676 BTC [+]
nubbins`: kakobrekla it's the worst on 45rpm 12"s
kakobrekla: mhm
nubbins`: like this meat puppets one i have
nubbins`: so quick!
nubbins`: but, dat sound quality
chetty: argentina has a high import tax on everything, I am looking into other ways to get things
kakobrekla: meh, most of the gain from vinyl comes from proper mastering imho
nubbins`: nod
nubbins`: phun phact, quality degrades as you get closer to the middle
kakobrekla: my analogue gear is boxed up waiting for better days. im running low on space.
benkay: less travel per wavelength -> lower fidelity?
nubbins`: benkay, yep
benkay: nud
benkay: nod
nubbins`: not unusual to "de-ess" tracks farther into the platter, to remove slurred S and Z sounds
nubbins`: you can hear this done incorrectly on the Pixies album Surfer Rosa
nubbins`: "hiSH teeth were white aSH SHnow" etc
mircea_popescu: nud!
nubbins`: don't nud your head at me!
kakobrekla: my nudle in 9 inch long
chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Booy_X4CcAABgnt.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6789 @ 0.00088131 = 5.9832 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: re: u.s. exchanging five taliban for one grunt: there is precedent.
asciilifeform: http://garypowers.org/1962-spy-exchange-of-powers-for-abel
assbot: The 1962 Spy Exchange of Powers for Abel | Francis Gary Powers, Jr.
asciilifeform: ^ where they traded a captured great master for a nobody
BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/#c2949
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.59 B (85%) on Yes, 19.53 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 7`146 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 303673 | Current Difficulty: 1.0455720138484837E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 304415 | Next Difficulty In: 742 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 5 hours, 10 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11248185431.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.57925
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00088067 = 11.1845 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/truecrypt-forensics.htm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0255501 = 0.1022 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'la florida' etc << looks exactly like '90s russia.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where, as a boy, right before leaving, i traded a shoebox full of toilet paper money for 1 usd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as for what the germans did there - if i recall, they built self-contained villages and had little to no contact with the locals.
asciilifeform: (there being - in argentina)
chetty: I think right now a lot of locals are just trying to survive until the next election
asciilifeform: i've no idea whether it is possible to build an unmolested autarkik village in modern ar.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/
benkay: chetty: how will an election change things?
chetty: benkay, it wont, but that seems to be the attitude in many places. The ills are blamed on who/what has current power so folks think changing that helps
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ok, precedent, but of spies.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, nice how thaat french diff bet worked out huh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the problem is argentina has been 90s russia for ~50 years now.
mircea_popescu: and it has been 1890s russia for 50 years last century too
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i've no idea whether it is possible to build an unmolested autarkik village in modern ar. <<< you can do pretty much exactly whatever the fuck you please. yesterday';s newspaper carried a report of a gang of 5 men that attacked a minor detention center to get a kid out
mircea_popescu: didn't find him there
mircea_popescu: 4 others took advantage and escaped
mircea_popescu: (thieves, all)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, likelyhood of the outcome is pretty even, but weight is finally keeping late bettors in check.
mircea_popescu: its funny that the MARKET adjusted to match the tool.
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 668.62, Best ask: 669.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.26000, Last trade: 669.88, 24 hour volume: 13942.96127422, 24 hour low: 620.1, 24 hour high: 670.05, 24 hour vwap: 642.992163095
mircea_popescu: from gringos in argentina, chapter 1 : "didja call that bitches' biscuit woman ?" refering to one busquet beatriz
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: how's your Spanish coming along?
mircea_popescu: my spanish was very good anyway
fluffypony: ah ok
mircea_popescu: Freitas and co also monitored the Klout score of each of their social bots to see how they fared. (Klout is an online service that measures the influence of Twitter accounts, giving them a score between 0 and 100). “We find that the socialbots achieved Klout scores of the same order of (or, at times, even higher than) several well-known academicians and social network researchers,” they say.
mircea_popescu: perhaps unsurprisingly.
mircea_popescu: More surprisingly, the socialbots that generated synthetic tweets (rather than just reposting) performed better too. That suggests that Twitter users are unable to distinguish between posts generated by humans and by bots. “This is possibly because a large fraction of tweets in Twitter are written in an informal, grammatically incoherent style, so that even simple statistical models can produce tweets with quality s
mircea_popescu: imilar to those posted by humans in Twitter,” suggest Freitas and co.
mircea_popescu: o boy.
nubbins`: hm, this bob dylan album has the labels on the wrong sides
nubbins`: and one of the song titles is wrong
nubbins` raises eyebrow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.08205249 = 0.5744 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0829699 = 0.4978 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: SCAM
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08413445 = 0.9255 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: i'm wondering if this is a common thing or if i have a shiny gem
nubbins`: it looks to be a first pressing
pankkake: this is unfortunately too common
benkay: feature not a bug
benkay: maybe its got numismatic value
pankkake: wrong track order, typos, etc.
pankkake: amplified by people who tag their releases wronger
thestringpuller: ;;ud numismatic
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numismatic | Nov 5, 2007 ... the study or collection of coins, medals, paper money, etc.
thestringpuller: never knew that word
pankkake: http://www.istorage-uk.com/datashur.php the battery is a nice touch, I was wondering how to boot from these devices [I AM NOT SUGGESTING THIS IS SECURE GUYZ]
assbot: datAshur - The iStorage datAshur is the world' s most secure, easy to use and affordable USB flash drive
pankkake: thestringpuller: weird! I've known it since childhood
nubbins`: okay, it's apparently the first canadian pressing
nubbins`: no mention of the labels being reversed though, from what i can find
pankkake: I remember selling some of my old Francs over face value
pankkake: where did you find the info? discogs?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.02710001 = 0.1084 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08254067 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.02710001 = 0.1084 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0842499 = 0.1685 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: http://www.searchingforagem.com/1960s/International001.htm
assbot: Bob Dylan 1962
nubbins`: "Columbia CS 8579 (Canada), late 1962"
pankkake: ;;ticker --currency eur --market bitcoincentral
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 478.0, Best ask: 480.04, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 480.5, 24 hour volume: 79.09568087, 24 hour low: 444.0, 24 hour high: 480.5, 24 hour vwap: 464.24043179
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.02707778 = 0.1083 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08474993 = 0.2542 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: http://www.discogs.com/Bob-Dylan-Bob-Dylan/release/3395485 The title of A1 is misinterpreted on the label and reads ''She's No Good''.
nubbins`: http://giant.gfycat.com/OblongSlowCur.gif
nubbins`: yeah, i have that title misprint
nubbins`: but my SIDE 1 label is on side 2, and vice versa
benkay: ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.2967, Best ask: 651.7052, Bid-ask spread: 3.40850, Last trade: 651.7052, 24 hour volume: 79.79518087, 24 hour low: 605.3496, 24 hour high: 655.1137, 24 hour vwap: 633.113324864
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00088061 = 27.475 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: pankkake: re: dataAshur:
asciilifeform: ;;google ashur
gribble: Ashur (god) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashur_(god)>; Ashur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashur>; Ashur - Spartacus Wiki - Wikia: <http://spartacus.wikia.com/wiki/Ashur>
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: pankkake: ever 'pick' a keypad lock?
asciilifeform: (hint: principle is the same regardless of whether keypad is electric or mechanical.)
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 443 @ 0.00211457 = 0.9368 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: from manual: 'The iStorage datAshur, unlike other similar drives, is preloaded with an unlimited number of randomly
asciilifeform: generated encryption keys.' << translation: keys produced from prng.
pankkake: lol preloaded keys?!
asciilifeform: 'Each time hacking is detected (i.e. the wrong PIN is entered a total of 10
asciilifeform: consecutive times), the current encryption key is deleted...' << translation: passcode is not the prng seed.
pankkake: anyway, not my use case. could be a usb key in a safe, but this is more portable
asciilifeform: 'Your iStorage datAshur is supplied with a built-in rechargeable battery.' << translation: key is kept in sram.
asciilifeform: answer to keypad riddle, since nobody bothered attempting it: the dirtiest and most worn keys are the numerals in the code.
asciilifeform: if machine was used recently - the ones with fingerprints.
pankkake: https://www.geek.com/chips/usb-flash-drive-locks-makes-your-data-a-little-more-secure-868751/ lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 59 @ 0.02999999 = 1.77 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: I remember a usb key that was lockable. well it was a kickstarter project
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/1edvhu/crypteks_usb_kickstarter_goes_silent_the_dark/
assbot: Crypteks USB Kickstarter Goes Silent. The dark side of crowd-funding. : gadgets
asciilifeform: also a mechanical lock, if i recall.
pankkake: yes, I mean physical lock. it's what I'm interested in
asciilifeform: pankkake: buy a pistol lockbox and be done with it.
Blazedout419: thoughts on AM shares?? Can not decide if they are worth .2ish or not =\
pankkake: looks quite big. I also want it on my keychain :)
fluffypony: Blazedout419: maybe as a joke thing, like "hah hah I bought some AM shares back in the day'
Blazedout419: kinda my thoughts
Blazedout419: oh well
asciilifeform: pankkake: what is the expected enemy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [+]
pankkake: none, I just want some storage that would almost never leave my sight, and the only non-software encrypted part would be a /boot partition
nubbins`: Blazedout419 for the street cred without the financial risk, turn a USB block erupter heat sink into a keychain
pankkake: and I don't think anyone could really manage to steal and replace the unencrypted data
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Amputate leg, put pistol safe in prosthetic
pankkake: butt plug is simpler
pankkake: nubbins`: maybe that's what I will do… they're more of a bother than anything else to run now
pankkake: so I could do everything I want with a simple USB key, but wouldn't mind another layer of security, however crappy itis
BingoBoingo: pankkake: You could try dumb usb key plus steganography
pankkake: how do I steganography in the real world?
pankkake: http://static.mrmatt57.org/img/iamaKey8GB/Lacie-USB-Key-Macro1.jpg might be a better security, if thought to be an ordinary key :p
BingoBoingo: get usb key with giant plastic case, use empty space to hide chip from another usb drive, swap chips to access secrets hidden as [fill-in-the-blank]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00088051 = 11.5347 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.03 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08125703 = 0.4063 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00087967 = 17.0656 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: <Blazedout419> thoughts on AM shares?? Can not decide if they are worth .2ish or not << likely not.
mircea_popescu: yay finally trilema above twitter for search on my name.
mircea_popescu: woot.
BingoBoingo: Who knew Twitter was the one holding you back all along?
mircea_popescu: lol like the leg ?
mircea_popescu: no but google has this asinine "will score twitter/wikipedia above anything else just for being twitter/wikipedia"
mircea_popescu: not facebook tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00088036 = 3.9616 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Of course like the leg http://oglaf.com/1dad/
assbot: Number 1 Dad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.24653978 = 1.4792 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: that sounds just like me.
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/appealtoheaven/ << lol
assbot: Appeal to heaven
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00087881 = 14.1488 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13412 @ 0.00088074 = 11.8125 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: correction time already?;D
fluffypony: apparently
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 624.71, Best ask: 624.98, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 624.99, 24 hour volume: 18660.99215086, 24 hour low: 618.53, 24 hour high: 683.26, 24 hour vwap: 646.455113359
Naphex: prettu 4k dump
Naphex: pretty*
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
Blazedout419: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 641.06, vol: 20278.69329105 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 638.336, vol: 14535.67162 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 640.0, vol: 18787.00403301 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 638.97, vol: 45.4117812 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 654.011702, vol: 9399.03690000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 648.48167, vol: 27.86134313 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 654.672, vol: 121.10704943 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
Blazedout419: ;;more
gribble: 642.072496624
chetty: http://manipulism.com/
assbot: Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt
chetty: Whether called crab mentality in the Philippines (“If I can’t have it neither can you”) or the Jante Law in Scandinavia (“Don’t think that you are more than others”), the tall poppy syndrome in collectivistic-influenced commonwealth countries (“Cutting down the tall poppy”), or schadenfreude in Germany, these syndromes all describe the same condition of pathological narcissism that thrives commonly in collectivism on undermining
chetty: and is driven by severe inferiority complex.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4787 @ 0.00088047 = 4.2148 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: chetty lives
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0008809 = 7.9281 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: from our favorite skinnkavaj https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg7013153#msg7013153 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg7023854#msg7023854
assbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
assbot: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It
pankkake: !up skinnkavaj
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0262999 = 0.1578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00088164 = 18.4263 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: damn chetty that was a good link
pankkake: horrible cover though
chetty: yeah but those first three chapters are a great read
chetty: *** disclaimer I am only on chapter 2
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Thank you for continuing against Usagi. His declaration of "Let me tell you about bingoboingo. He is a successful fund manager because he has never had to weather the storm of an exchange shutdown. Wake up." made me lol.
BingoBoingo: %book
atcbot: 25k@256 15k@250 0k@250 | 45k@158 10k@155 53k@152
BingoBoingo: Seriously, the gall of Usagi to call be sucessful or a fund manager
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: well today I realized if I had invested all those coin in MPCD.A instead NYAN.A it would be a non-issue.
thestringpuller: Then I got mad because humans are this stupid...
pankkake: unfortunately you can only buy Manipulism on Amazon's prison system
thestringpuller: then I felt a bit sad that humans can be so stupid they don't know they're stupid.
chetty: the author is giving it away thru FB, I dont FB tho :(
thestringpuller: Ultimately I think usagi is trying to cling onto the forum. If he's labeled a scammer there how will he raise money?
fluffypony: yeah
chetty: I dun know whats worse, deliberate scam or just stupid
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I'm more outraged that he feels entitled to opine on funds, success, or management
pankkake: I'm just outraged by refusal to learn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8182 @ 0.00088238 = 7.2196 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: It's like Dairy Queen trying to talk about actual ice cream http://www.bnd.com/2014/05/31/3234384/2-brothers-found-passed-out-in.html
assbot: CASEYVILLE: Brothers passed out in Dairy Queen parking lot face heroin charges | Top Stories | News Democrat
chetty: jajajajaja dairy queen =ice cream
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16563 @ 0.00088088 = 14.59 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: thestringpuller: my favourite is that he feels he is owed an apology
Blazedout419: dairy queen is iced milk..not icecream
BingoBoingo: Blazedout419: Milk might be too generous a description of the input
Blazedout419: fair
fluffypony: caucasian water?
BingoBoingo: I think slurry of miscelaneous carbohydrates, proteins, and lipids in aqueous suspension is as specific a description as possible for the slurry
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24435 @ 0.00087755 = 21.4429 BTC [-]
chetty: ya think there is any actual food in it?
thestringpuller: fluffypony: Hah. Emotions have no place in business.
Blazedout419: thank god i never bought icedrill
Blazedout419: deadterra almost had me sold...
Blazedout419: those guys still not paid divs
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust deadterra
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user deadterra: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=deadterra | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deadterra | Rated since: Thu Apr 5 15:12:28 2012
BingoBoingo: chetty: Maybe if you are on an elemental diet for digestive issues. I imagine mixed with crushed flintstones vitamins it might be useful as a crude form of TPN.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1093 @ 0.00213397 = 2.3324 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Now I understand why you're such a good writer for teaching purposes. You are a librarian!
thestringpuller: lol
thestringpuller: I've been referencing your GPG guide for new employees
thestringpuller: and they say "Wow this isn't so bad"
Apocalyptic: nice thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Thanks, I am indeed trained as one.
thestringpuller: particularly the ones who are computer illiterate
Apocalyptic: gotta educate the people on how to use GPG
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3701 @ 0.00087806 = 3.2497 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i'm here! catch me up
bitcoinpete: looks like you guys were having quite the tete-a-tete with usagi
fluffypony: oof
fluffypony: did you get an email too?
bitcoinpete: maybe... lol
bitcoinpete: not even gpg'd
fluffypony: plain text ftw :)
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: This Usagi conversation has me thinking I might need to blog sometime soon on loses in Bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00088207 = 22.8897 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: hey you sparked it with your article
BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (9529 shares, 2.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021724 / 0.00021726 (121153 shares, 26.32 BTC)
thestringpuller: Pulled the RSS and said "Wow he depred again? Is that even possible?"
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: looks that way!
bitcoinpete: though perhaps i misrepresented the kakobrekla bit
BingoBoingo: I'm not at all surprised this http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/01/may-combined-trading-statement/ didn't spark f.mpif trading activity in either direction.
assbot: May Combined trading statement | Bingo Blog
fluffypony: oh bitcoinpete on that topic
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7070591#msg7070591
assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]
fluffypony: "Even Mircea knows what pete wrote was a lie. "
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Yeah, the kakobrekla situation reads like a negotated settlement.
thestringpuller: fluffypony: where did you read that?
fluffypony: everything you wrote was a lie, and everyone knows it, bitcoinpete! look! he has proof!
fluffypony: thestringpuller: click link above
chetty: jajajajaja
chetty: foget teaching gpg, got to learn to read first
thestringpuller: oh yea I remember that. I think it's in the WoT too that's why kako has him at 1 and not neg rated
Apocalyptic: ATC retarget in 22 blocks, should get interesting
BingoBoingo: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 152519.08 in 22 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -66.51
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: And remember that a small number of positive rating isn't necessarily an endorsement.
pankkake: I think I got only 1 block at that diff
thestringpuller: chetty: i need to learn a lot of things :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 29 @ 0.03 = 0.87 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I still can't belive Usagi called me a fund manager. I manage four piles of money. Everything that goes into making it a fund is through Mircea. This distinction is evidence of the root of Usagi's failure.
thestringpuller: that's probably my fault
thestringpuller: "succesfful fund manager"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.03 = 0.3 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ugh I need to learn to type too chetty
thestringpuller: I should have said something like "one of the funds managers"
thestringpuller: or "profit center manager"
pankkake: I thought BB managed a fund earlier than MPIF, I was confused
BingoBoingo: Well, it stings more when it comes from his fingers.
thestringpuller: sometimes I guess it pays to be a bit more pedantic
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Only privately trading for Mircea
pankkake: my own tries at trading btc/eur haven't been very successful. at least I know what I'm not good for
nubbins`: many people never gain such knowledge
chetty: it is in the nature of people to project the bad stuff they are up to onto others.
nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjDDXc4PEIk
assbot: Talking Heads: Live at Wembley Arena 1982 (Full Video) - YouTube
BingoBoingo: I'm actually kind of surprised the BTC/RON operation avoided a loss, but the $525 to $500 yo-yo stayed with us long enough for Naphex's exchange to catch up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02559557 = 0.2304 BTC [-] {9}
decimation: re: truecrypt audit: https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/iSec_Final_Open_Crypto_Audit_Project_TrueCrypt_Security_Assessment.pdf
decimation: Note what they chose to *not* audit on page 2:
BingoBoingo: Also there's the part where any high price could become BTC's new permanently elevated plateu
decimation: sorry section 2 (pg 10):
decimation: The assessment explicitly excluded the following areas:
decimation: Volume parsing as it relates to a file container
decimation: Rescue Disks code paths activated when the disk does contain the private key
decimation: Cryptographic Analysis, including
decimation: RNG analysis
decimation: Algorithm implementation
decimation: Security tokens
decimation: Keyfile derivation
decimation: Hidden Containers
decimation: Linux and Mac Components
decimation: All other components not explicitly included
decimation: They audited: the bootloader and the Windows driver
chetty: http://pastebin.com/1q7McVgv
assbot: I once read a joke describing the inferiority complex facilitating social equili - Pastebin.com
pankkake: that's what got me - I have more EUR than initally but would have done better if stayed in BTC. not that I really care as I wanted to stay in EUR for the time being
pankkake: but that's less fun for a BTC fund
decimation: chetty lol. The US is already there
chetty: its all monopoly money anyway, have funs
BingoBoingo: Well, in the future the BTC/RON operation will likely have months with bigger swings. There may also be months where it just sits, like ATC/BTC did for the most part.
nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635311.new#new
assbot: Buying Casascius coins [verifiable custody chains ONLY]
nubbins`: worth a shot
thestringpuller: has there ever been any defective casascius coins
nubbins`: how would you define "defective"?
nubbins`: there are plenty of 1 BTC silvers with really poor, uneven lasering on the edges of the holos
decimation: chetty: re: manipulism >> It's a straight line from "let's have every man and woman vote for government" to manipulation of mass opinion
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the private key is unredeemable so to speak
nubbins`: ah, who knows? most of them never get opened
decimation: vox populi, vox dei. So as long as you get the people to say/think/do what you want, it's legitimate
nubbins`: i've never heard of someone peeling a holo and having an unreadable key inside
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02507571 = 0.1755 BTC [-] {7}
Naphex: BingoBoingo: so after 1 month of usage any suggestions/complaints regarding the frontend?
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Not from me atm. mircea_popescu has some issues with it when he needs to log in.
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: mircea_popescu kakobrekla since i'm still not 100% clear on the pirate insurance thing, i've updated the usagi article to include the milk story, since that seems to be more solid footing
bitcoinpete: he's no longer "known criminal usagi," but "milkman usagi" http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/31/usagi-back-back-back-it-up-ayee/
assbot: Usagi: Back, Back, Back It Up. Ayee! | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: and with that, i bit ye a hasty adieu. it might be tuesday before i get back...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0235 = 0.1175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07941664 = 0.953 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: Obama: Those who argue otherwise -- who suggest that America is in decline or has seen its global leadership slip away -- are either misreading history or engaged in partisan politics.
BingoBoingo: http://meta.ath0.com/2014/05/30/truecrypt-warrant-canary-confirmed/
Naphex: BingoBoingo: how is that confirmed o.O;
benkay: does anyone have a full copy of manipulism?
BingoBoingo: Naphex: It isn't really, but supports the idea that the worst must be assumed
jurov: i bought it to my kindle, did not downloaded yet
Naphex: its probably true,
benkay: jurov: aiding and abetting!
jurov: it was only $3.50
benkay: ;)
thestringpuller: benkay: just buy the book
decimation: based on my point about the "audit" though - and asciilifeform's link, one must wonder why the USG would bother when it's probably weak
benkay: busted
jurov: does anyone know what is last official NAV of F.MPIF?
jurov: i'm working on report and want to price them
jurov: april report says 0.00021315 but it was updated after everything sold out
jurov: or not?
BingoBoingo: That's a very good question
decimation: to be fair, the exploits on ascii's link appear to be attacks on a running system, not a cold system
thestringpuller: !ticker m F.MPIF
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 / 0.00021726 (9529 shares, 2.07 BTC), 30D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021724 / 0.00021726 (121153 shares, 26.32 BTC)
thestringpuller: trading above last published NAV heh
thestringpuller: !up twentyseventy
kakobrekla: ba related www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiF5HHkHvX0
thestringpuller: !up Smilence
decimation: kako: which part? that the crazy argentinians would build a village with insufficient flood protection, or the idea of people riding old bicycles through the ruins of western civilization?
jurov: ;;calc 21726/21500
gribble: 1.01051162791
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, I guess if you wanted to quit, tripping your NSA canary would be a hell of a way to go out
jurov: from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=1-05-2014 i gather nav did not change, just MP put 1.05% haircut in the price
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
jurov: ;;calc 21726/21315
gribble: 1.01928219564
nubbins`: practicing embouchure makes lips feel funny
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Get some bigger brass...
fluffypony: nubbins`: at least you'll be able to tell people that you blow a damn good trumpet
nubbins`: BingoBoingo it's not the size of the brass but how you apply the lips ;D
nubbins`: fluffypony not yet, someday maybe :D
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It's all about the Tuba
nubbins`: tell that to my trumpet!
decimation: I can sympathize with wanting to quit ... trying to make x86 hardware secure is a herculean task
BingoBoingo: decimation: And if you put that together with the identified problems adding to the task
decimation: if you read the audit report, see Appendix B to see the "code quality" issues
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23947 @ 0.00087916 = 21.0532 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02724007 = 0.2996 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.09000001 = 0.27 BTC [-]
jurov: hm.. penguirker is silent
jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2014-marketmaker-statement
assbot: F.MPIF May 2014 marketmaker statement - serialized delusions
jurov: i flipped 100k shares at profit, but when NAV is considered, made slight loss
penguirker: New blog post: http://explo.yt/post/2014/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2014-marketmaker-statement
jurov: oooh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07920007 = 0.2376 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0792 = 0.396 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 106 @ 0.00215257 = 0.2282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17868 @ 0.00087809 = 15.6897 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00087806 = 10.5367 BTC [-]
benkay: does blockchain.info provide a testnet endpoint?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07941625 = 0.2382 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12024 @ 0.00088082 = 10.591 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 148 @ 0.00209713 = 0.3104 BTC [-]
jurov: benkay maybe blockr does
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00087985 = 6.8188 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.246878 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.246898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14757 @ 0.00087841 = 12.9627 BTC [-]
Naphex: BingoBoingo: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5212985&cid=47117051
assbot: TrueCrypt Website Says To Switch To BitLocker - Slashdot
mircea_popescu: kinda yest news no ?
Naphex: yeah
Naphex: but explains some of the canary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00087889 = 14.5896 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: chetty: http://manipulism.com/ << theyre prolly on to something
assbot: Manipulism and the Weapon of Guilt
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Thank you for continuing against Usagi. His declaration of "Let me tell you about bingoboingo. He is a successful fund manager because he has never had to weather the storm of an exchange shutdown. Wake up." made me lol. << makes two of us.
mircea_popescu: "that bingoboingo thinks he can drive because he's never tried to put the gearbox in reverse straight from the 4th."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.02368627 = 1.0185 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: o yea speaking of deadterra
mircea_popescu: ;;rated deadterra
gribble: You have not yet rated user deadterra
kakobrekla: ;;rated deadterra
gribble: You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep 4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate deadterra -1 inept crowd follower ; promoted a lengthy list of meanwhile blown assets.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user deadterra has been recorded.
kakobrekla: late to the party.
mircea_popescu: ya well, we can't all be informed and shit.
Blazedout419: that icedrill is a train wreck
mircea_popescu: decimation: They audited: the bootloader and the Windows driver << lolaudit oif all time.
mircea_popescu: jurov: does anyone know what is last official NAV of F.MPIF? << you'll have to report your trades before that can be published yu know.
mircea_popescu: a nm there it is,
mircea_popescu: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 158 Ask: 248 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087776 = 11.5864 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, what's your call on avg price for atc ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0839999 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00087737 = 13.0289 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.002299 = 0.1494 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00088082 = 3.7875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00087729 = 18.774 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the funny thing is usagi claims you copied his NYAN fund. But in actuality you took the concept and did it correct. Despite how many scammers were parading as "asset issuers", you managed to recoup ~52% of the original capital invested. MPCD.A based on your statements actually made a profit (since MPCD.A got paid out before B and C of course), etc.
thestringpuller: just seeing those numbers again 2 years later, really really made it clear
mircea_popescu: !up jomm
penguirker: New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/line-betting-on-bitbet-may-2014/
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller, when was this nyan.a thing made ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51398 @ 0.00088074 = 45.2683 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, do i know how much mpif panacea share is worth ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: unfortunately usagi doesn't keep comprehensive records like yourself so I have to guess
thestringpuller: i want to say June
thestringpuller: of 2012
mircea_popescu: "Back in April we explained to a mostly innocent community what a CDO is and how’d it work."
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how some forum nitwit implementing badly what he's read of mpoe-pr's posts counts as anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2386 @ 0.0008834 = 2.1078 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: yea. sadly the n00b me should have invested in MPCD, but as you once said. We pay for our lessons.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/?topic=76515.msg849401
assbot: [MPEx] CDO roll call for bond issuers | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: !up fiftystorms