mircea_popescu: "the greatest peacock i ever saw!" "that's a human from rockefeller center" "but i see no penis ?!?!"
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mircea_popescu: dumbass vc "losing interest" is the best thing that ever happened to bitcoin huh.
shinohai: Helping a friend in Brasil set up realbitcoin, trying to get him up to speed on gpg so he can come here.
shinohai: I'm not, just a guy I have known since I started bitcoin a few years ago.
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mircea_popescu: "There is absolutely no way that anyone who reads The Economist can have concluded that Europe has surpassed America in anything not involving riots, in the way that no one who reads Maxim can conclude that acne is in vogue."
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: have you, or will you be emailing any of the gentoo mirror maintainers asking around for backups?
gabriel_laddel: I was shocked to find out that they only keep the couple most recent versions of everything in the master repository.
gabriel_laddel: wtf is the *point* if I can't go back in time to something stable.
mircea_popescu: q : is there a way to actually publish this as a discrete item ?
mircea_popescu: or is it an utter and impredictable mess in the manner of everything else foss ?
mircea_popescu: that by doing [this thing to do] i now have _everything_.
mircea_popescu: "They are better educated than previous generations and they were raised by baby boomers who lavished a lot of attention on their children," said Andrew Kohut [the director of the Pew Research Center.]
mircea_popescu: WRONGALONGADINGDONG. They're not better educated, they just have more degrees.
mircea_popescu: one day i'll meet the usian who is better educated than people in the 50s.
gabriel_laddel: Does any commercial Lisp IDE have a fast autocomplete that works like "apropos at point" ie, across all packages?
mats: at least its not a tranny this time
mats: i miss summer already
mats: laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice
mircea_popescu: <mats> laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice << you know ba weather is nude indoors weather throughout the year.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: ah. Well at some point I'll have someone fix it up all nice and minimalist.
gabriel_laddel: (the pixie "look and feel" doesn't work with tabs though)
mats: mircea_popescu: i'm envious. boston is under siege during the winter... i believe last year was the snowiest on record, ~110in
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gabriel_laddel: apropos of nothing: if anyone here is addicted to coffee, and finds that caffine pills don't cut it, I've found that brand EasyUp works WONDERS.
mats: i'm seeing a lot of results for tents with the 'easyup' search query
mats: and something known as a 'paramotor', which is kinda cool.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google easy up wake up aid - take tonight. wake up easier & alert tomorrow morning amazon
assbot: Amazon.com: Easy Up® Wake Up Aid - Take Tonight. Wake Up Easier & Alert Tomorrow Morning - 36 Night Supply: Health & Personal Care ... (
http://bit.ly/1POb4uH )
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I drink about 2 pots a day without it sometimes.
mircea_popescu: a) you should drink about a gallon of water a day ; b) if you don't like how much coffee you drink just make a point of drinking a little less each day for a while ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I try to make a point of drinking less, and it works. for a while. then I'm back to a pot or two a day.
gabriel_laddel: (IMHO, I actually need some sort of medication, but have not really looked into it)
gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have some "grey goo pipe dreams" re mechanical program optimization?
mats: modafinil is p great.
gabriel_laddel: my thoughts get all disjointed, but then again, I've only tried the racemic stuff
mircea_popescu: honestly, if i actually needed some substance to think i would probably drop everything and go shoot bears for a while.
mats: well, if you'd like to try non racemics, guess I'll shill mymodafinil.com and its armodafinil
mircea_popescu: problem is - drunkedness is strictly for people who don't dislike being sober.
mats: discount if invoice paid with buttcoins
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel it's a paradoxical thing, what can i say.
mats: whaddya mean? lab test?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I simply don't understand what you're saying.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick << or a Bible
mats: no. but my understanding is that the operators buy the generics from indian rx mfgs and resell the stuff
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that not liking being sober is a very poor reason to be drunk. or whatever you call it.
mats: guess it's a good thing I've only consumed a few dozen of em
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I agree with you, but the *amount of work* I get done when caffinated, and the amount of fun I have doing it makes it simply impossible to do otherwise.
mats: I know next to nothing about chemistry
mats: what if there's filler besides the moda? etc.
mats: the most experience I've had with testing chemicals is using various reagents to ensure I was consuming actual mdma
mats: but I'll give it a go, soon as I acquire a hot plate
mircea_popescu: depending on wire thickness, either the wire or the battery shall be the hot plate.
mats: for folks curious about moda, gwern had written extensively on the subject
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's probable. i have a poor reaction to many of these.
mircea_popescu: "take this pill, it simulates taking a piss" "or i could... take a piss ?" "yes, of course".
mats: I mostly used it to retain cognitive power and wakefulness for studying binges and v late nights
mircea_popescu never binge studied either. wtf, if it's not worth reading normally it's not worth reading.
mircea_popescu also started his final thesis in college 5 months early, and was done with it about a month and a half before it was supposed to be turned in.
mats: curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
☟︎ mats: ;;later tell bingoboingo haro, ^
gabriel_laddel: mats: I'm curious as to why you're curious as to BB's opinion?
mircea_popescu: other than peterl, bb is like the resident chemist huh
mats: did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: since when he keeps ranting about chem topics ? dunno.
mircea_popescu: alf too, but alf only took a kindergarten level chemistry class
mats: I liked moda because it was, for me, an adderall without the negative effects,
mircea_popescu: you lot could just as well have a glass of water and go takle a nap.
mircea_popescu: this shit isn't free. in the time you took to research it and the time it takes you to earn what it costs you coulda caught up on sleep.
trinque: I would wager this is more to do with "wow, this is what a smart person must feel like" and thereby actually doing some work than the effect of the chemical.
mats: e.g. distracting euphoria, I could still sleep while on the tail end of a 100mg dosage 7-8hrs in
mircea_popescu: trinque you know that AWESOME tlp article on placebo ?
trinque: no but I will now want to search it out
mircea_popescu: i just had the girls lined up with their mouths open while i swore as to the various aspects
gabriel_laddel: I'm rather envious of the 50s. You could get benzedrine otc, and it was widely used by e.g., Norbert Wiener
mats: asciilifeform: I believe, have done so on a few occasions
mircea_popescu: "no, parkinson, this is a legitimately defined disease with a biological backing. no, he is actually measuring the chemistry involved, dopamine. no, actually." etc
mats: when I was apparently too exhausted, or perhaps took an insubstantial dosage
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i got benzadrine otc here. asked for cyclobenzapyrine, derp showed up with benzos.
gabriel_laddel: I asked someone who was around, he claims that he "couldn't distinguish it from coffee"
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you have any idea whbat the tolerance to benzo-* is like ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is the article about how to feed whores caviar.
mircea_popescu: "I. Ersteklasse. Crema a ceea ce poate oferi natura, icrele cele mai bune, din care in principiu un cetatean, oricit de bogat s-ar gasi, are totusi a consuma cantitati limitate, dintr-un motiv foarte simplu : daca nu alternezi cu produse inferioare te vei obisnui, si-apoi te vei deprima. Oamenii inteligenti le gusta lunar si traiesc fericiti pina la adinci batrineti."
mircea_popescu: "the cream of what nature can offer, best roe, of which in principle a person no matter how rich still should only consume limited amounts for a very simple reason : if you do not alternate with inferior product you wiull become used to it, and then depressed. intelligent people eat it once a month and live happilly ever after."
mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i do recall i also said about smoking.
mircea_popescu: perhaps travelling by bus is now much more obviously comprehensible.
mircea_popescu: they got a stretched asshole the size of the gulf, and they're gonna work towards stitching it back together ?
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that dod is uniquely unequipped to do this. this is a job for the ss, which is WHY they handlwe counterfitting in the first place.
mircea_popescu: except ss knows enough about this to not want to touch it, so the aspirational down kids over at dod get a chance to shine.
mircea_popescu: sure. but it still works exactly like it worked in the other soviet union.
mircea_popescu: ie, the real-special guys despise the wanna-be-special guys
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mats: someone hasn't read mp's thing about address reuse
trinque: that is, as long as you can convince yourself you have a good chance at being in the state you want to be in ;)
trinque: perhaps this anticipation thing is will.
gabriel_laddel: This is fucking nonsense. I *cannot* will myself to get up in the morning after 23 years of never having to.
trinque: taking anxiety as an example; the worst thing you can do is try to avoid it.
trinque: you asserting "fucking nonsense" with no reason is fucking nonsense
trinque: when you have perfect health aside from this you can cry health problem
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're right. I've not even read the article yet.
trinque: as it stands you've got a massive addiction to caffeine
trinque: one of my favorite drugs, I'll have you know
trinque: but it affects goddamn everything all over the body
gabriel_laddel: trinque: do you have the effect of almost fainting sometimes?
gabriel_laddel: like, you're just standing and then the stray thought "hey, it'd be nice to fall into bed, except there isn't a bed her" flies through your mind?
trinque: sounds like extreme exhaustion
trinque: have you ever done cocaine?
mircea_popescu: trinque the caution being that it's a single study and they might be insane.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the fact that placebo is nothing short of crazy is an open secret in clinician circles.
gabriel_laddel: with coffee there are all sorts of weird things: like whenever I have a bike pass me by, I sort of envision it running into me.
trinque: sure, this is very interesting though
gabriel_laddel: and this goes away completely when I don't drink a lot of coffee
trinque: yeah I've been fucked up on drugs before too bud
trinque: why are you surprised your body's freaking out over your treatment of it?
mircea_popescu: the serious problem for coffee drinkers is the caffeine headache.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: I've been burnt out on coke and hating life, but never have had this effect.
trinque: my only point is I wouldn't self diagnose "I need meds" before dropping your caffeine to zero, seeing where you're at
trinque: I've quit it entirely before, feels like shit, but a lot of the "stress" I was feeling back then was the several cups of coffee per day I was drinking.
mircea_popescu: how about a cup a day or every coupla days or something. like sane people.
trinque: I'm at a cup a day now, fine
gabriel_laddel: trinque: the problem I have with being coffee-free isn't the stress, but rather that I miss having my thoughts race around
trinque: this notion of making oneself do a thing is bizarre
trinque: like you're a guy at the bridge of yourself directing things rather than being the thing
gabriel_laddel: trinque: so wait, you don't get more absorbed in whatever you're doing when drinking coffee?
trinque: is it that you have trouble clearing your head to consider one thing at a time?
trinque: I drink coffee yes, for the high, but this does not prevent me from reading otherwise
gabriel_laddel: trinque: in part. It's also that I'm just not interested or excited about life without coffee.
gabriel_laddel: it's a horrid slog through boring nonsense, depression, the works.
trinque: well hell, death soon approaches.
trinque: for me that's plenty to get to work
trinque: have you ever really considered the fact that you will soon die?
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gabriel_laddel: trinque: it seems to me that the other thing missing from this discussion is that we've all very different chemistry.
trinque: yes but your statements imply certain beliefs
trinque: those may be different chemistry; I'm still chewing on the article as I said!
gabriel_laddel: trinque: for example, the modafinil that I've taken works great for other people.
trinque: what do you mean it works great?
trinque: this is an odd notion of being better; note that it is mostly about you being some kind of machine you run for x hours and produce y per hour
trinque: what is the goal? so you stay awake for 40 hrs
gabriel_laddel: and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise
trinque: "I am the guy that coded for 40 hrs."
trinque: fascinating, I didn't say it was for that
trinque: my statement is right there, no secret other meanings
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> and then I spend more time hacking apart portage than I would have otherwise << no you don't. this is like the ridiculous notion of teenagers that they'll make a car "better".
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if your mods were actually improvements THEY WOULD BE IN THE CAR.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it's an industrial fucking product, you think they don't know what you know ?
mircea_popescu: the only reason it's not included in the series version is that it's a stupid idea.
gabriel_laddel: actually, with respect to portage / gentoo / funtoo - yeah
trinque: ahaha, this is excellent due to the gentoo-as-ricer-car mockery
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: look, there are some things that I *know* make my body work better
gabriel_laddel: othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's somewhere in the log this observation, you can't learn medicine on yourself.
gabriel_laddel: and the whole process of brushing teeth takes like 1 hour
mircea_popescu: he had diabethes. according to him, he could not take the medicine. except with honey.
trinque: you're doing the same thing.
gabriel_laddel: I understand the point you're making, but simply don't find that it applies to my situation.
trinque: this is where he gets dumped in the ocean on mushrooms
trinque: did wonders for my good friend
trinque: he was disoriented and lost track of the beach and ended up rather far out
trinque: accepted he might die, then found it within himself to be a man and swim his ass back to what felt like shore, and he did
trinque: the reason I mentioned it is that you are so sure of your model of yourself
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I don't know what this "being a man" stuff is about
trinque: these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: trinque: I've lived with myself for 23 years, and have at no point been able to wake up sanely. I try it with these caffine pills and et viola! I wake up like a normal human!
trinque: the fuck; you'd wake up if it meant an enemy bullet otherwise
trinque: or maybe *you* wouldn't but the normal human mind can decide it can do all kinds of things when it must
trinque: if you're bitching about waking up in the morning I think you haven't suffered enough
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you'd think that. but I've missed events I *really* wanted to attend because I wouldn't wake
gabriel_laddel: trinque: people have screamed things of this nature at me when I would miss the little school I went to
trinque: yeah I "never could wake up" as a teenager either
trinque: except I didn't give a fuck to, and my mother woke me up with breakfast and all my shit ready to go
trinque: and I went to a few pretend military camps in the summer and woke up myself every morning while there
trinque: to be grinning with a "fuck you" to the sergeant that'd come busting into my room screaming hoping I was still asleep
trinque: gabriel_laddel: this sounds like "I should've given a fuck" not "I gave a fuck"
gabriel_laddel: trinque: you're missing my point, or I'm not stating it correctly. I've missed things I care deeply about because of sleep
gabriel_laddel: and even with people screaming at me, I still missed things
gabriel_laddel: and all of this is solved by taking a pill before I go to sleep
trinque: the sergeant's screaming had nothing to do with my waking up
trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of winning at that game so I did
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see your point about education 100% at this moment.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I enjoyed the fuck out of going to buy $CENSORED and was really excited about it, but ended up sleeping through the allotted time.
gabriel_laddel: but all of this is solved when I take a pill - not just a caffine pill - but a coffee extract?
mircea_popescu: you do whatevs you feel like. if you're happy with it carry on, eventually you'll either die or have enough of it.
gabriel_laddel: (for the record, taking a regular caffine pill before sleep doesn't wok)
mircea_popescu: wait, you were gonna go weaboo all over the xbox line but then slept through the opening ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in operational terms, i was as excited as you were, apparently.
punkman: gabriel_laddel: doesn't the coffee pill make your sleep weird?
punkman: I've taken modafinil before sleep a couple times, to make sure I'd wake up for a flight
punkman: was quite tired, had the strangest dreams
gabriel_laddel: And this is sort of what I'm getting at - people differ greatly. Modafinil doesn't work for me, some people can't take caffine before bed, some people can't drink and have sex (MP's eugenics article) and some can.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: and how healthy are you
punkman: mircea_popescu: dunno, I remember being too drunk to fuck at 17 or whatever
mircea_popescu: well, alcohol is a downer. kids are overexcitable. it's a toss-up.
gabriel_laddel: I'll go with "I treat my body like shit, and do pretty well "
trinque: but you like so totally have this very unique sleep disorder
trinque: again, the statement is right there.
trinque: might try operating the thing better first
gabriel_laddel: well, that is a fair point, but I don't want to e.g., lose weight.
trinque: what does reality care about what you want
trinque: although, maybe if you can convince yourself that some of your orange crush cans are sleep aids...
gabriel_laddel: trinque: so what is your top 3 favorite substances of abuse?
trinque: so this whole thing is mainly about what you want, which is orange crush and other things, but not being healthy
trinque: I don't tend to "abuse" substances
gabriel_laddel: the problem with being healthy is that I get too turned on by everything.
trinque: though I'm 28; I'm not saying I never did
trinque: not that I'm ancient, but I'm not trying to wreck the thing either
trinque: I was never one to habitually wreck myself
trinque: if I say "booze" that's saying I got very drunk that month
trinque: weed I smoked daily for a long time
gabriel_laddel: fine, trinque, what are your top 3 favorite substances to use in moderation, with a trip sitter, etc etc
trinque: so coffee weed booze by volume
trinque: gabriel_laddel: actually I will admit to using cigs in precisely the same way you were talking about coffee
gabriel_laddel: trinque: ah, so nicotine is one of my favorite as well
trinque: coding, getting the nicotine going and thinking I was "so much more focused"
trinque: it's a bunch of horse shit
trinque: the fucking oxygen you're not getting for one
gabriel_laddel: I no longer smoke, but programming while smoking was always nice.
trinque: your feelings about the thing do not matter
trinque: you're here because some things happened
trinque: why not program JS for a living?
gabriel_laddel: right, but I'm here to have a good time in spite of that
trinque: being here to have a good time sounds great
gabriel_laddel: dawwww I'm so curious as to your thoughts on MDMA, cocaine, LSD
trinque: salvia is pretty out there.
trinque: the thing I'm moderately curious about is what question gabriel_laddel is asking
trinque: but it's certainly getting nowhere and can be left at that.
punkman: old women that can't afford motorized dildo?
referredbyloper: Thanks. I just read the post about phuctor breaking an rsa key.
mircea_popescu: way to go. ps : it isn't abuse just because it leaves you outside, feeling inadequate.
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punkman: "By the grace if Allah upon His faithful servants, your brothers in the Technical Department of GIMF as well as the brothers in Al-Fajr Media Center have developed encryption software to protect your communications on your personal computers and mobile phones."
punkman: "These software packages - Asrar al-Mujahideen, Asrar al-Dardashah, Mobile Encryption and Amn al-Mujahid - are the arrows in your quiver to pierce the eyes of the spies."
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:26:09; gabriel_laddel: othewise I wake up and hate myself, am unable to open my eyes etc
punkman: asciilifeform: I thought the language amusing
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:08:24; mircea_popescu: the serious problem for coffee drinkers is the caffeine headache.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:24:45; mircea_popescu: tell you what, if your mods were actually improvements THEY WOULD BE IN THE CAR.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:26:56; mircea_popescu: he's dead.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:32:53; trinque: these types of experiences (and they're probably the cheapest version) will rid you of that nonsense in a moment
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:44:47; mircea_popescu: wait, you were gonna go weaboo all over the xbox line but then slept through the opening ?
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 07:07:19; mircea_popescu: for some reason b-a now reads like reddit.
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform must be bought same day because poor impulse control (must have) and poor social skills (this is the only time you'll meet people you can talk to this year)
mats: you know grsec subtracts more from kernel than it adds?
diametric: asciilifeform: the engineers that created metcal left metcal, and formed thermaltronics when the patent expired
mats: if you find the time, it is far more readable than selinux
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diametric: so technically, the thermaltronics is more metcal than metcal is now.
diametric: asciilifeform: was thinking about it
mircea_popescu: lest i get lost in a pile of awesome and do no work but grin for the rest of the sunday.
mircea_popescu: "Asrar al-Mujahideen, Asrar al-Dardashah" aaaahahahah.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 16:04:16; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307560 << i could tell much the same tale as you. eventually i discovered that i have a 26-hour circadian cycle and no amount of punishments, risks, dope, lost money, etc. will do A FUCKING THING about it. the only cure is to break out of workschwitz so that to sleep ad libitum.
mircea_popescu: and to grok the true sign of luxury : i have an auction in eulora in 20 minutes. which i woke naturally for.
mircea_popescu: your parents aren't supposed to understand YOU. they're supposed to understand the world.
mircea_popescu: well tlp in this case. but the mechanism of pissing on X myth is parenting.
mircea_popescu: all myths have a kernel of truth in em. the idea is to select a set that works.
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of that entire thing with trinque yest. "oh, 100% placebo works for me when i tihnk it's 75% drug". good for you, continue.
mircea_popescu: aha. the effect is not exactly unknown, in all its batshit crazy splendour.
mircea_popescu: or should i say "unmodelable" ? obscurantist perhaps ? :D
mircea_popescu: no. they are promising for the same reason 15yo hos "are" promising.
mircea_popescu: they're not models. and once they try to become models they quit promising.
mats: asciilifeform: grsec, afaik, has had _exactly one_ publicly disclosed vuln, to my knowledge
mats: results speak for themselves, despite hand waving as to 'pixie dust', which is outright misleading imo
mircea_popescu: i mean, your data is your data, ok, but what does it say ?
mircea_popescu: "grsec has had much lower burn rate than the other packages because there has been less independent research put into it"
mats: 13:28:25 <+mats> you know grsec subtracts more from kernel than it adds?
mircea_popescu: i will now attempt to mout a defense with my disembodied, bloody remains!
mircea_popescu: so asciilifeform : a) the iron because they're broken (ie, not equal to the design) ; the bc is, TECHNICALLY, part of the car. aftermarket shocks.
mircea_popescu: no. the irony is, they think "there was nothing [else] i could do."
mats: well, offhand, disables read/writes to /dev/kmem, /dev/mem, /dev/port, model specific registers, kexec, module loading, privileged io (ioperm and iopl calls), unprivileged PERF_EVENTS usage, restricts /proc, sysfs, and debugfs, ...
mats: if i find diffs, ill let you know
mats: many of these protects kernel from root
mats: i haven't read through all the patchsets, so can't say exhaustively which does what, etc
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 03:11:07; mats: did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 03:10:08; mats: curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
mats: i can't say i know enough to address your claims
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 16:29:35; asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
mats: demo of 'novint falcon' game controller
mats: we r p close to rendition of virtual fuckbot through e.g. oculus rift+fleshlight+'novint falcon'
jurov: "there will be mass upheaval" << sauce?
jurov: and why there was no similar upheaval when free porn became available?
jurov: misread as widget system, got excited for a moment
ben_vulpes: xmonad sucks as much as haskell sucks, for the simple reason that one must load haskell's horseshit into head to use it.
mircea_popescu: "|hey - heres an idea Apple - rather than enter the world of gimmicks and toys, why dont you spend a little more time sorting out your pathetically expensive and crap server line up?
mircea_popescu: or are you really aiming to become a glorified consumer gimmicks firm?"
mircea_popescu: "I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently!
mircea_popescu: Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!"
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 16:14:41; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307597 << WITHOUT EXCEPTION this kind of thing is said by people who, if you were to wire them to the mains to get the truth, will admit that they see any disease that doesn't show up on a blood test or xray as 'in your mind'
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 16:29:35; asciilifeform: who predicted that, if realistic sex robot is ever thought to be possible (and it is intrinsically a for-men item, as there is not likely to appear a dominance-robot and certainly not a wealth-robot) , there will be mass upheaval.
ben_vulpes: today i learned about the ongoing lng conversions in the shipping industry
mircea_popescu: did you get to the entire crazy that is "oil quality", how it relates to its density, and what "a barrle" ACTUALLY means ?
mircea_popescu: guaranteed entertainment for a year's time in smart go-getter types.
mircea_popescu: oil quality is, i daresay, something like beauty in adolescent human females.
mircea_popescu: for sure more male time / money went into the former to date.
mircea_popescu: it is certainly a valid, heavy duty phd. "1915-2015, a century of "oil quality"". THAT is something i'd respect.
ben_vulpes: i have never successfully run down what heresy chevron puts into their techron
ben_vulpes: makes me fear for my 35 year old engine.
ben_vulpes: i actually drive out to the rural areas to find low ethanol fuels.
ben_vulpes: dunno that people here realize how young i actually am.
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mod6: So a new version of my V (version 99999 K) has been posted to the website and the ML.
mod6: Enjoy! Let me know if you have questions or run into any problems. Thanks!
mircea_popescu: "There is a terrible, terrible, ugly truth underlying all of this, and that is that taxes don't matter to a government that can print money. The government collected $2.4T and spent $3.6T. They'll take what they get, of course, but if they had collected $2T or $3T you/they would not have noticed. The country isn't a household, it is a bank, and as long as the rest of the world believes "we're good for it," then we a
mircea_popescu: re. When it decides otherwise, look out. The US will go Lehman Brothers faster than you can say Bear Stearns."
ben_vulpes: mod6: decided to leave auto-seal-retrieval in there?
mod6: yeah, seals, and patches, but not wots.
☟︎ mod6: as discussed before
ben_vulpes: i saw stan barking about autoprocurement of things and must've misremembered
assbot: Logged on 20-10-2015 17:04:18; mircea_popescu: well, i got my link about 500x faster than if i searched for it. somehow.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:47:42; mod6: ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 00:20:41; assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
jurov: "the Glasgow Haskell compiler is written in Haskell: a 100,000-line application. "
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sure and how many lines is sbcl, and what is it written in?
mircea_popescu: it is written in unmovable half ton steel cabinets, which makes it ok.
ben_vulpes: nah you'll have to buy the same computer that gabriel_laddel has
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so it's not really half ton unmovable cabinets.
ben_vulpes: iirc he's targeting something you can buy from dell today.
mircea_popescu: are you kidding ? "chix" in the sense of "out of the street human female" were replaced cca 2005.
mircea_popescu: but the woman is an unwelcome addition to the resources.
mircea_popescu: "woman" as in, overweight, with college debt, with bad habits, with the entire baggage of having watched as much as 5 mionutes of for-women tv is worth less than a pig.
mircea_popescu: if homo redditicus would pay as much as five borrowed dollars for "a woman" the us would look like argentina.
jurov: reddit dudes are fighting to get women? that's new for me
jurov: asciilifeform: for any example?
mircea_popescu: jurov the only example i can think of is bingoboingo's fake story
mircea_popescu: and notice that it was interestinfg to them PRECISELY because a) he did what they don't do (go for a woman) and b) it blew up in a way threy like.
mircea_popescu: the only marketable xx item in the us is, "15 yo runaway".
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 19:56:22; ben_vulpes: is "oil quality" something other than j/g?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is on account of refineries being pipes, with turns.
mircea_popescu: that's all there is. now you gotta know an infinity about the fluid.
mircea_popescu: they actually have a liquefaction process (in the civilised world, not in the us) that significantly reduces the intellectual relevancy of this
mircea_popescu: but one thing people DO NOT appreciate is that if i had to find the "lost meta-engineers" alf wants to have been in software\
jurov: asciilifeform: stuff like hydrocracking
mircea_popescu: incidentally, THIS is where good math would show before biotech
mod6: asciilifeform: Cucumber tests are automated tests that will run specified scenarios against v.pl and assert various outcomes. [cucumber.io]
mircea_popescu: how do you know when you've tried it ? what shape was it ? etc.
mod6: For instance, I assert all of the appropriate antecedents and decendants for each vpatch, etc.
mod6: i like it a lot. its sort of too bad that the step definitions behind the "gherkin" or cucumber scenarios are written in Perl, python may have been easier for people to digest. But I'm not as up too par on that.
mod6: Ruby or others can be used as well...and I've only just started using Ruby as well. (which makes me feel dirty lol)
punkman: asciilifeform: well for deedbot I hashed and checked for dupes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would that be in "random signed crud" ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's certainly impressive how that part works mod6 << thx!
mircea_popescu: do not sign in the manner of v stuff you don't intend to be in v
mod6: yeah. that patch won't be added into the mirror. now if someone wants to try out his patch locally, they'll have to pull his vpatch, and add his key to the wot manually and then see what happens if they want to press out a branch that includes that vpatch.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 20:18:43; mod6: yeah, seals, and patches, but not wots.
mircea_popescu: you must also be able to describe which "version" you aim.
mircea_popescu: exactly. more importantly considering what this gives us :
mircea_popescu: 99c53387aa14a176190880cb00c97fc950133f5af10f3ac is "gimp-v1.0" whereas 9cfb1fc045b401102d02b4ddf581efc7d84e810df28bf80 is "bitcoin v 1.8"
mircea_popescu: and if key X took a fart in gimp-v-0.9 big deal, this won't see it anyway.
mircea_popescu: the huge problem tho, and im sure you have also been thinking on this on the quiet
mircea_popescu: is that if you set it to what ? sha512 ? little alf v2.0 will come in here and fuck your skull in 20 years
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 20:12:02; asciilifeform: i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one
mircea_popescu: perhaps. i dun see it yet, but this is mostly because i am not a coder myself.
mircea_popescu: so you mean my p4 will take 0.03 seconds instead of the 0.00007 ?
mircea_popescu: i understand that. why is this machine of mine binary!
mircea_popescu: if i put two registers together, have i now made a trinary register ?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the technical talk, understand the high level strategic considerations.
mircea_popescu: IF we are ever going to do this, THIS is the place to test it.
mircea_popescu: the value is relatively small - oh noes, enemy is gonna mess up our code ? so yoy mean like on github ?!
mircea_popescu: the damage is immense - imagine, now they gotta learn ternary to even approach this!
mircea_popescu: find a way to do it in ternary you won a major engagement.
jurov: why not just use urbit, gotta stand on shoulder of giants :D
mircea_popescu: just gotta get clear where it's headed and what we want.
mircea_popescu: i can already picture the reaction "folks" will have to anything, from you going naked in the street to you making chirality engine.
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mircea_popescu: didn't you get banned for spamming something or the other
mircea_popescu: i rcall one ridiculous instance was something about i dunno, b-a related somehow
mircea_popescu: for bonus points : shoots all possible intel "optimization" in the head
mircea_popescu: this, even if only prototyped, is well in excess of a billion dollars in nsa budget costs. which is, and will for a while be, quite sufficident.
mircea_popescu: or as usgavin_fucktardessen would say, "i always advocated engagement".
mircea_popescu: "What you want is to be able to behave sexy, or rude, or ridiculous, or offensive-- and still demand to be seen the way you want to be seen.
mircea_popescu: It may be unfair, but it is the most important fact of human existence: people exist independently of you."
mircea_popescu: Note the power set up. All you fools think that female reporters are in the locker rooms because it is some sort of measure of equality, "why should the males get the best interviews?" that this is somehow a success for equality, something that women had to struggle to earn, and you think that because you were told that.
mircea_popescu: Women didn't earn this over the resistance of an old boy network; the media conglomerates decided it would be awesome to televise a hyperfemale in a locker room with a nearly naked hypermale and pretend there's no sexuality implied. So anything that goes wrong is between individuals, nothing to do with the Machine.
jurov: now that's business
trinque: As of now, she said she's sold "around 30" in total, including in-person sales. << Thanks, grandma!
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2013 04:34:42; usagi: Everything TU.SILVER does is better than any other similar business in the community, and I guarantee it will be that way forever, because, I have my legacy to consider
mod6: <+trinque> As of now, she said she's sold "around 30" in total, including in-person sales. << Thanks, grandma! << haha
mircea_popescu: he had a "business" to make 8kb or larger rsa keys for "Cusomers"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "And you need not go further than one of our stores on midnight at the end of the month. And it's real interesting to watch, about 11 p.m., customers start to come in and shop, fill their grocery basket with basic items, baby formula, milk, bread, eggs,and continue to shop and mill about the store until midnight, when electronic -- government electronic benefits cards get activated and then the checkout starts and occu
mircea_popescu: rs. And our sales for those first few hours on the first of the month are substantially and significantly higher."
mircea_popescu: "The global capitalist system is approaching an apocalyptic zero point... comprised by an ecological crisis, the consequences of a biogenetic revolution, imbalances within the system itself, and the explosive growth of social divisions and exclusions."
mircea_popescu: gotta hand it to the socialist mind. after having spent 50 years explaining how the predictable, obvious and necessary failures of both socialist systems seen to date "aren't really failures of socialism - because the nazis were evil and stalin was wrong),
mircea_popescu: now they move on to pretending like the failure of the third attempt as socialism was really called for no reason "capitalism" and lo and behold, socialism failing EVEN WHEN IT MASQUERADES AS CAPITALISM proves ~capitalism~ doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason socialism is the ideology of the stupid, and it's this sorta fatlogic
mircea_popescu: "hey, i didn't lose any weight on that mcdonalds diet - because corporations are evil ; nor when i went to that magical fairy wicca woman, because she was a scammer. but it didn't even work while i was PRETENDING to be working out while watching chicks work out on tv! clearly dieting doesn' work! certainly being fat is the natural state of stupid people!"
mircea_popescu: capitalims got you from where your president couldn't afford to pay the bill to stay in a hotel in Europe, so he had to stay in the stable section of a cheap inn, to where you could derp about how things should be. it works.
mircea_popescu: what doesn't work is you derping about how things shiould be. never has. never will.
mircea_popescu: the tv personality went there AS A TV PERSONALITY, to confront the other tv personalities. because that's what everyone in congress is : a b lister, of dubious talent, coming not from central casting but from ballot casting.
mircea_popescu: and he told them exactly what you'd expect : my magic is more powerful than your magic, notwithstanding that your magic contains a statement of its own all-powerfullness and my magic doies not. this is not the criteria.
mircea_popescu: the fact that i get a seat at the table and you have to wait for the reporters to invite you in, that's the criteria.
mircea_popescu: but what difference does it make what a senator [says he] thinks ?
mircea_popescu: (and, note, colber's power has EXACTLY NOTHING to do with "TV" in the sense of "system". the franchises use actors in masks now, because they want to keep the copyrights, it's their "Character"| and why should an actor get to own the face of their character. but colbert is not that. so, no, it's not the system.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "From this very clear description of the problem comes the most terrible solution imaginable: let's go back to the authoritarian approach." << exactly. there is a reason the schelling points of failing socialism are always PERSONS. you don't like colbert, pick another Dear Leader. what you can not do is go all "country of laws not men", that's dead.
mircea_popescu: and so you know, there's a b lister that's kinda half-black or whatever, from kenya. nobody cares. get all agitated when carson v2.0 turns out to be black.
mircea_popescu: that's why chris rock / chapelle were so important. they didn't make it tho.
pete_dushenski: i see that there's a modest pile of logs and quite a bit more trilema to catch up on.
pete_dushenski: j'espere que vous avez tous passez une belle fin de semaine
jurov: plus #eulora. plus btc-dev mailing list. plus tlp. plus....
pete_dushenski: i spent the who weekend speaking french so i'm still thinking in it lol
mircea_popescu: jurov ikr ? i've been spamming the shit out of tlp, but the truth is it's a much more convenient format than trying to make all thgese half and quarter articles into trilema items.
mircea_popescu: for that matter - im almost done with 2010, there's only ~4 years left, i should hope im done this month.
mircea_popescu: i do however hold all these as conversation openers, if anyone ever feels like delving into one of the articles etc i'll be happy to hear the conversations. truth is digesting tlp will take more than just this.
mircea_popescu: this incident aside, the cultural production of b-a/b,tmsr~/the cult/however you wish to call it is both scary and exploding on an exponential. i dunno how we'll cope.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: going through tlp that methodically and chronologically is sure to yield an interesting unfolding of intellectual development. it'd be pretty well impossible to do with with trilema unless one also spoke ro, but even just the last three years of reading would be a hell of a journey/mindtrip
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski unlike in the case of tlp, i'm also here to scream back.
mircea_popescu: imagine how the past two weeks would have looked like if ballas was actually up there in the wot.
pete_dushenski: you think it'd be that different ? he doesn't seem like much of a boxer
pete_dushenski: ballas isn't even fiesty nor viligent enough to block spam from coming through. "hermes bags! cheap jeans!" abound.
mircea_popescu: turns out fanapt has 5ht7 activity, afaik tlp is right : unique to this drug
pete_dushenski: and then there's the plain bizarre comments such as "Am the happiest woman on earth,, my husband just called me this mornings after divorcing for another woman going to 6Months with the help of this man i met on this site please help me to thank him and the author of this site his name is Dr Aida Wedo His phone number is +2348115436578 his email is africanvoodoorituals@gmail.com my name is William Sarah am from
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2015 19:40:09; mircea_popescu: in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc.
pete_dushenski: much younger and he's just 'enjoying life', much older and he wouldn't be blogging.