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pete_dushenski: re : http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/
assbot: The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6pIga )
pete_dushenski: was that only last month ? feels like longer ago.
pete_dushenski: man, b-a time infused with parenting time is straight trippy
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309131 << speaking of novels, how comes that book you were working on ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in this crapsack world in which the implementation of the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms to literally produce baby viande as per the modest proposal, it is discovered that ringworm infection of the abdomen in 2nd trimester females results in tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't.
pete_dushenski was perhaps mistaken, but recalls chapter outlines in trilema article in last 6 months
pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/
assbot: The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KDYeIu )
mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno. ☟︎
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mircea_popescu: ya but it didn't get picked up.
pete_dushenski: mats you're too cool to recognise/fellate your betters ?
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:13:33; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous to bring it back to 'but we gotta raise the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting to mention that in ALL OF THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other than usg'
mats: i don't have your exhibitionist streak.
mats: this is patent nonsense. do you run your boxes with aslr on? then some classes of exploits usg may use against you could certainly involve rop gadgets. then, 'RAP' may prevent code execution.
mats: look: i get the allergic response. your hyperbole dial is set to 10, however...
mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time. ☟︎
mats: folks reading along, that are having trouble divining the meaning of 'RAP': http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2015#1307787 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 17:26:37; mats: https://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/PaXTeam-H2HC15-RAP-RIP-ROP.pdf
asciilifeform: mats, mircea_popescu: possibly both of you know this, but i am allergic to 'mitigations' largely on account of my profession.
asciilifeform: it is my day job.
asciilifeform: i have russinovich's 'windows internals' on my desk.
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309530 << unlike some other folks, my cock is not plugged into the mains socket, so this doesn't do anything noteworthy. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:12:05; mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309534 << do i misunderstand or is this the 'you are too small for them to spend a master key on' 'defence' ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:14:05; mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.
asciilifeform: now i am not a 'famous & respected' type, so i'm not yet at the 'worth a car bomb' level. but i will confess that i am at the 'disconnected phones at places with no paper association with me ring and ask by name' level.
asciilifeform: fwiw.
shinohai: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/658624900849012737 <<< moar like butthurt in action.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309539 << it is because i know what the 'fixes' actually lead to. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:25:20; mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.
asciilifeform: namely, more of the problem, in spades.
mats: this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways' ☟︎
asciilifeform: the layering creates the festering gangrene which then requires new layers, etc.
mats: security isn't for the incompetent and poor, yes
asciilifeform: mats: for whom, then ?
mats: those of means, that understand how to layer without creating as many bugs than were presumed to have been squashed
asciilifeform: mats: you do not see complexity per se as a bug ?
mats: its a curve.
mircea_popescu: shinohai lmao nobody gave a shit ?
mircea_popescu: this so reminds me of nefario's "conference"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform be that as it may, each and every markslord is more than free to use his resources whichever way he pleases.
asciilifeform: for some odd reason mats reminds me of the articles about the monstrously fat folks that BingoBoingo linked to. the ones where they demand that doctor treat the 1,001 consequences of their 5,000 calorie intake without mentioning the elephant in the room.
mircea_popescu: apparently it's marcher lord in english. anyway
asciilifeform: and yes, if mats wants to be this kind of doctor - not only is he free to, but there is a tremendous bezzle market for the service.
asciilifeform: to the point that being ANY OTHER KIND is something you do under a blanket, at night.
asciilifeform: for no pay.
asciilifeform: as i do here.
asciilifeform: i can't help but wonder what my published work thus far (in re: therealbitcoin, v, etc.) looks like to mats. probably looks like entirely baseless lunacy, like an eiffel tower glued from tongue depressors
mats: idk why you'd think that.
asciilifeform: well, for one thing, i'm not adding layers
phf: jurov: mac os x build of eulora uses clang, there might be some insight in the patches. specifically i go the whole way of patching/making sure it works autoconf for crystal space, which might be necessary to move forward with any sort of linking issues, etc.
jurov: phf i did not even try llvm to eat it whole. first i wanted to try compile eulora into dynamic lib with gcc and link that one to interpreter
jurov: wrote ersatz "mymain" function, but couldn't get ld to place it as exported symbol in that euclient.so, dunno why
jurov: it was alright in .o files and when i linked it all together, ended always in private section
mats: then you should know i respect the work you've done for 'tmsr'. all disagreements about the fabric of the universe, aside.
jurov: mats: you say "there is a curve"... is there any serious reason or data supporting the notion it has maximum where you think it is?
mircea_popescu: more on point : is there any reason you suspect it's either differentiable or even continuous ?
phf: jurov: oh i gave up trying to mix the two, i was getting both linking and runtime issues trying to build c++ with gcc 4.2 and objc with clang.
mircea_popescu: wtf, curve gotta mean somethingh
phf: jurov: making llvm eat the whole is a better way to preserve sanity, because then you're dealing with fixing source, rather then hunting down opaque binary issues.
jurov: what do you mean?
jurov: there are multiple ways to "fix the source" to make ld export symbols, too. but i did not find the right one yet...
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jurov: and did you end up with something that can be released?
jurov: phf: at all?
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mircea_popescu: iirc it\s in the wiki
phf: jurov: my impression is that linking clang produced object files against gcc objects files results in heisenbugs. making the entire source code work with llvm is essentially going through source and fixing it to conform to clang's expectations.
phf: i think, and it's been a while now, clang and gcc use different versions of libstdc++, even if you can coerce the two to see each others symbols (something i had mixed success with originally) you're than potentially touching in memory objects with methods that have incompatible expectations about what the memory layout of the object actually is
asciilifeform: i must have missed it: what was the motivation for attempting these chimeras ?
mircea_popescu: trying to play eulora.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/this_time_its_esp.html <<< pretty fucking lulzy. psych journal publishes phys study, everyone misses every point.
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mircea_popescu: "Exactly. So you should have sent it to the physicists. You know, the ones who work a building over in the same university that you do. That was the whole reason for universities, right?
mircea_popescu: No, I'm a dummy. The purpose of universities is to suck up Stafford loan money. And the purpose of journals is to mark territory, more money in that, like a corporation that spins off a subsidiary. NO CROSS SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION ALLOWED IN SCIENCE, EVER, EXCEPT IN SCIENCE, NATURE, AND THE POPULAR PRESS."
asciilifeform: it needs two compilers to build ?!!
phf: asciilifeform: only if you're trying to be lazy :>
mircea_popescu: lol
phf: asciilifeform: eulora/planeshift/crystalspace combination requires gcc 4.2 to build out of the box, gcc 4.2 is out of sync with current objective c ecosystem. one hacky way to fix the issue is to build objc files with clang and then link it against gcc produced parts. the approach was a deadend, as any sane person would realize
asciilifeform: ah! applism.
asciilifeform: i swore off ever building anything for crapple's gui again after they abolished 'carbon' (their c hooks thing)
mircea_popescu: but people wanna play on macs!
asciilifeform: what if they wanted to play on nintendo ?
asciilifeform: gonna port for it ?
mircea_popescu: i dun see why not.
mats: i don't have a reason i can table for scrutiny, just intuition -- there has been a lot of great work done in recent past that makes it possible to substantially reduce attack surface of e.g. linux, a monster weighing, what, 14mn loc now?
mircea_popescu: actually there's a bunch of people playing on mac
mircea_popescu just looked
asciilifeform: mats: why are you convinced that it is actually reduced ?
asciilifeform: rather than enlarged in places where you aren't seeing ?
asciilifeform: (there are, elementarily, a great many new 'places'.)
mircea_popescu: mats you recall the discussion of the "poor tenants" and their proclivity to focus on a single measure to be lied to ?
jurov: asciilifeform: playing requires repetitive actions, and it has binary network protocol... so easiest is try to piggyback bots into existing client
mircea_popescu: or the discussion of the "poor entrepreneurs" and their bizarre notions of equity and dilution ?
mircea_popescu: jurov you actually working on a jurovbot ?
mats: grsec restrictions on 'sysfs' reduces attack surface by mitigating information leak vulnerabilities, for example
jurov: under very relaxed definition of "working on".. just trying misc around
asciilifeform: mats: at what cost?
mats: mircea_popescu: no
asciilifeform: and leaking where?
mats: haven't read
asciilifeform: let me guess, to malicious process
asciilifeform: (why is it on your box to begin with??)
mircea_popescu: well, there's a time for everything.
phf: jurov: so http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X produces a working build, just not something you can upload as an archive, because the links between binaries rely on absolute paths. i think it's possible to go over all of them and replace absolute paths with relative paths using install_name_tool, but i haven't had a chance to try it yet. (just finished moving to DC yesterday, so i've been busy)
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jurov: phf, windows and linux builds are likely to depend on absolute paths, too, don't sweat it
jurov: er.. linux not, but windows
phf: jurov: well, i could build eulora into /Applications/Foo.app/... structure, and then require people to install by dropping resulting app into /Applications/ on their machine, but there's no sport in that
jurov: and you may want to get ftp account from mircea in advance, he has very strict security procedures on that
mircea_popescu: i do ?
jurov: i couldn't login via sftp, got banned, etc. took it few days :D
phf: hehe
mircea_popescu: lol well... i think is standard knowledge by now, but if it isn't : do NOT retry that fifth time.
phf: "ftp://upload:password@eulorum.org"? :)
mircea_popescu: if your ssh/sftpd "does not work", just like if your atm pin doesn't work, try twice
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mats: yes, anything not-root doesn't get access to certain things that enable attacker to recon system
mircea_popescu: mats do you understand conceptually what "burning" is ?
mircea_popescu: in a sentence such as "a narrow burn cycle to keep moving the market".
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308991 << had some time to take a closer look and noticed the thing you linked is from Middletown Connecticut (the state in which I live) -- no I do not know those guys, if that's who you meant. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 17:00:22; mircea_popescu: i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING
mircea_popescu: ah ok
kakobrekla: chan sucks now
danielpbarron: clicking around I found a page on the role of women that isn't totally wrong, but it's in that same 90s style as the one you linked, whereas the root directory is some web 2.0 looking garbage, so I'm not sure if that's still their stance
mircea_popescu: better error messages kakobrekla
danielpbarron: the only church I attended was a sort of basement thing at a neighbor's house, and that was only for a couple years in my mid 20s
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/when_is_it_okay_to_rape_a_woma.html << aaaand tlp singlehandedly sinks the entire "get babes self help" nonsense.
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mircea_popescu: my hat's off.
mats: mircea_popescu: in that sentence, no
mircea_popescu: in the end this might all be about that learning curve / experience after all.
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trinque: interesting re: tlp article how the actual "dope" in the wish-fulfillment fantasy is non-obvious to the junkie himself. there's that hindbrain again.
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-10-2015#1309050 << perhaps no thinking man is complete without being able to avoid the failure modes of the ancient parts ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:28:17; asciilifeform: i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?
trinque: it seems more than that, too, but I continue to digest.
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-10-2015#1307643 << in the case here, somewhere in that lower part of the mind perhaps there is buried revulsion which would serve to make the solution clear. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:55:24; *: gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
BingoBoingo: classic http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/01/couple_reveals_childs_gender_f.html
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BingoBoingo: "The problem is that the parents already know the sex. They can't unknow it. They aren't acting from no information, they are acting in reaction to the information. They are saying they are raising him gender neutral, but what they are actually doing, precisely, is choosing not to raise him as a boy."
BingoBoingo: "because it shows the hierarchy of power in this woman's mind: she doesn't believe in God, she can overrule biology; but the school system is inviolable."
phf: trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end << cl-irc is a thin layer on top of irc protocol, so connection state is something you have to handle yourself. connectedp simply queries underlying stream for whether it's still formally open. you have to setup mechanism (say a separate thread) to send PING to the server at a regular
phf: interval to trag lag. if the lag is too high, i.e. pong is not returning after some interval, attempt a reconnect
phf: *to track lag
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BingoBoingo: ^ For the daily chuckle
mircea_popescu: trinque the important part here is this : by the time the ancient parts function in "failure modes", the "life of the mind" is broken beyond comparison.
mircea_popescu: you readily understand this if you think about hardware, which you aren't psychowired to nuttily defend. by the time the bearing audibly rumbles, the fucking software in that car has long been a mess.
mircea_popescu: by the time your cd tray is moving in and out as if possessing a life of its own, the "browser toolbars" are long past the bottom of the monitor.
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: if your "hindbrain" observably malfunctions you've been stupid, insistently, for a long long time.
trinque: indeed
trinque: phf: makes sense; I'll see about that this weekend
BingoBoingo: https://www.tacobell.com/steal-a-breakfast?partnerId=as_mlb_20151028_54562836&adbid=659190778174959616&adbpl=tw&adbpr=28603812 << Everyone in America gets a Free A.M Crunchwrap November 5th. There will be Beetus.
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mircea_popescu: "I've started a new site, Partial Objects, which is a short form, high post frequency version of TLP, and I'm going to use TLP for longer posts." << gone, sadly.
BingoBoingo: Eh, it wasn't near the same quality
mircea_popescu: a, you saw it ?
mircea_popescu: i'm like, late to all the parties.
BingoBoingo: Way back when
kakobrekla: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://partialobjects.com
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mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/ohio_mom_in_jail_for.html << alsonotbad.
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mircea_popescu: "Why are you hearing about this story, in this way: "oh my god, those bastards won't even cut a break to a poor black woman?" Because that story simultaneously delivers the government's message: "we don't squander taxpayer resources; we'll fight to protect every dime we can get." The symbiosis between media and politics: the media gets their readers, and the government gets their message relayed to the public. Ther
mircea_popescu: e's no news here, this is propaganda."
mircea_popescu: "Anyone on the outside should be able to see this for what it is: a mafia style protection racket. Pay us. If you pay us, we will protect you from those who... don't pay us."
mircea_popescu: a ty kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: http://web.archive.org/web/20120504055119/http://partialobjects.com/2012/04/inmate-brags-about-how-great-it-is-to-be-in-prison/ etc
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mircea_popescu: i wonder what became of that whole crew then. there's what, adozen or so people writing ?
mircea_popescu: Recently, a rising Hollywood superstar saved a young woman’s life from an oncoming cab in New York City. Most women would swoon over a guy like this coming into contact with her let alone him being a hero (a real human being) to her. Instead, she revealed a very telling thing about her nature
mircea_popescu: “But as a feminist, a writer, and a gentlewoman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting female role, even though I have occasional trouble crossing the road, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized it was him. I think that’s lazy storytelling, and I’m sure Ryan Gosling would agree with me.”
mircea_popescu: holy shit, don't save these derps from car crashes, it's immoral not to mention unethical.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/01/tech_sunday_william.html << in which tlp knows ssh.
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.02, vol: 32228.33781101 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 294.464, vol: 11510.23018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 301.16, vol: 33008.299874 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.0, vol: 13.06657335 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 307.5215, vol: 58036.45200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.0, vol: 248.71157344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 290.274105482, vol: 159.56766567 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 303.027303434
phf: trinque: http://paste.lisp.org/display/157633 untested, but that's the general idea
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BingoBoingo: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/27/kung-fu-blue-california-police-officers-nunchuks
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mircea_popescu: "every time history repeats itself, the price goes up."
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mircea_popescu: "An observation: Sheen went publicly insane early last week. It wasn't until this Tuesday night, after Extra and Today started showing the goddesses, that the court ordered an extraction team to medivac his kids. He's had a week of full on insanity, 20/20 had an entire crew in his house last Saturday, Radar was in there all day and no one felt obligated to rescue the children, but go on TV and publicly say you like mu
mircea_popescu: ltiple vaginas and they put your name on a database. No more interstate travel for you."
mircea_popescu: i...lollered.
mircea_popescu: oh and also,
mircea_popescu: "The only thing you're never supposed to do in psychiatry is offer an opinion without conducting a full psychiatric examination, they're very emphatic about this, which is weird because half your grade on the psychiatric board exam comes from diagnosing a guy in a 10 minute video clip from 1977. (Academic dishonesty spoiler alert: he has OCD.) "
mircea_popescu: "The first step is to make the other person feel important, that she has been heard. She's upset, so you assure her that you're going to take on her level of intensity to handle the situation, you will make it as much of a priority for you as it obviously is for her"
mircea_popescu: aaahahahaha. tlp is an idiot now!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, empowering the michael moore strategy, "you're a fucking nobody trying to appear important and we're going to take you seriously!" ? fuck that shit.
mircea_popescu: "Finally, in every conflict, the ones you can win and the ones you can't, unless you really want to fight you must always give the other person a saving-face way to back down. No one, especially nowadays, wants to walk away in shame, they'd rather die, or kill you. Angry Mom stupidly made this public, and so she has no way to back down unless you, as the more powerful person, the one with understanding, give her one
mircea_popescu: ."
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: sometimes people just don't get what they want. and in THEIR case, it's all the time anyway, so best be well used to it.
mircea_popescu: often the correct solution is the one daphna waxman met ; invent an exquisite, heretofore ~inimaginable~ EVEN MORE humiliating retreat, and let them chose the shameful retreat they weren't originally going to choose, and be thankful for it.
mircea_popescu: overton window for retards.
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mircea_popescu: heh. "But now all sorts of well-established, multiply confirmed findings have started to look increasingly uncertain. It's as if our facts were losing their truth: claims that have been enshrined in textbooks are suddenly unprovable. This phenomenon doesn't yet have an official name, but it's occurring across a wide range of fields, from psychology to ecology."
mircea_popescu: supposedly "decline effect", http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/the_decline_effect_is_stupid.html
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Decline Effect Is Stupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FngU )
mircea_popescu: in fact it's just that "psychology" or "ecology" ARE NOT FIELDS. they do not produce valid science. they never have. yes, they churn out "studies". those studies have no scientific value, and no importance whatsoever past their PSEUDOscientific value.
mircea_popescu: neither my e nor my planck constant have "declined" over time.
mircea_popescu: (turns out tlp says the exact same thing in more words. hurray for blogging.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00055437 = 7.1237 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108100 @ 0.00055451 = 59.9425 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Could be dementia setting in
mircea_popescu: in me or in him ?
BingoBoingo: him
BingoBoingo: about the right age with his drinking
mircea_popescu: heh. should have another good decade i figure.
BingoBoingo: Depends on his consumption. Also the early stages can be subtle.
mircea_popescu: how's the rum treatin' ya, anyways ?
BingoBoingo: Actually went to a meeting tonight. Was gifted a book of extraordinary size.
mircea_popescu: folio ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, more like a bible, but printed on real paper
mircea_popescu: http://www.carti-online.com/images/george-calinescu-istoria-literaturii-romane-de-la-origini-pana-in-prezent-3674.jpg << largest b ook i ever owned.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6GEob )
mircea_popescu: literally folio size, it's a good foot tall
BingoBoingo: Not literally huge. Just size is a part of its common name.
mircea_popescu: 34x26 cm, turns out.
mircea_popescu: foot and two inches.
BingoBoingo: Damn that's big
mircea_popescu: the literature it discusses isn't that big.
BingoBoingo: Aha, big in all the wrong places
BingoBoingo: Also, BitBet trusts Disney as a resolution source? https://bitbet.us/bet/1218/luke-skywalker-turns-to-the-dark-side-in/
assbot: BitBet - Luke Skywalker Turns To The Dark Side In Episode VII :: 0.16 B (73%) on Yes, 0.06 B (27%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 99`761 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LBhiep )
mircea_popescu: mod also asked. i ok'd it. whatevs, people who wanna bet on derpy us movies deserve whatever they get.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the cuminal. http://thefemalecuntainer3.tumblr.com/post/119674246703/more-of-this-excellent-idea
assbot: Three holes on two legs with one purpose — More of this excellent idea ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6HmBK )
BingoBoingo: I kinda thought about tossing a couple pennies at it, but there's gotta be more interesting stuff in the future.
mircea_popescu: hm, anyone here actually has a steam account ?
BingoBoingo: I think I had one at some point, but I've changed email addresses so many times likely unrecoverable.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: !s steam
assbot: 213 results for 'steam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steam
mircea_popescu: incidentally let's ask phf the question too. hey, dja have any idea how to package c++ for steam ?
mircea_popescu: seems rather typical / indicative that most references to steam have nothing to do with the platform.
BingoBoingo: The energy transmission medium is the greater thing that name is attached to.
mircea_popescu: well, it does own google for its own name, at least.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you still have a tardstalk acct ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to do a password reset. I'd rather just leave it abandoned.
mircea_popescu: kay.
mircea_popescu: tards just can't catch a break, can they.
BingoBoingo: Nope.
BingoBoingo: But seriously steam, the power transmission medium doesn't measure on Google?
BingoBoingo: Fuck google
mircea_popescu: unrelated, http://36.media.tumblr.com/11f168f56d1824a1bc9eade50e971c28/tumblr_noklf43dfS1utlf6uo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6IMwf )
mircea_popescu: but anyway - eulora needs more noobs. gotta find them somehow.
mircea_popescu: !up disident
BingoBoingo: NSFL >> https://i.imgur.com/yvXCmqw.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6KZrq )
BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/3W6R9mI << Loonies are crashing, safe for life
assbot: Plummeting Loonie means Bitcoin above $400 in Canada! Yay! - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6LxNV )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00055207 = 32.9034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51230 @ 0.00055493 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: https://boingboing.net/2014/12/31/how-imageboard-culture-shaped.html << shockingly, something intelligent on boing boing!
assbot: How imageboard culture shaped Gamergate / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6MB4m )
mircea_popescu: "This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they aren’t forcibly prevented from entering." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "This makes anons perfect cover for harassers. Not being willing to accept bad faith arguments on their own terms and debate them as if they merited a response is seen as proof of the weakness of your arguments." except all bad arguments can be reduced by reference and demolished in their own terms. an INABILITY to do so speaks to the poor intellectual capacity of the unable, and it is in fact prima facie evidence that
mircea_popescu: whatsoever ELSE they might have produced is probably as stupid as they are.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b23
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 300.11, Best ask: 300.14, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 300.14, 24 hour volume: 32739.71401497, 24 hour low: 288.3, 24 hour high: 303.68, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: o hey.
mircea_popescu: resistance dead huh.
BingoBoingo: It's too early for me to call it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00055276 = 39.9645 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: unrelated to $300 btc, http://31.media.tumblr.com/02164d3f429182aea5bee2654d0af257/tumblr_njtof1fka01tonrdjo5_r1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6Oj5R )
mircea_popescu: !up stefek99
punkman: http://www.fsix.es/files/gimgs/42_Spankzor.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PQ8nJP )
mircea_popescu joined some random other channels
mircea_popescu ran away screaming
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck people are retarded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63191 @ 0.00055276 = 34.9295 BTC [-]
punkman: http://www.fsix.es/files/gimgs/46_archivist2.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MhMkVU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00055316 = 19.3606 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news, who's afraid of spiders ? http://40.media.tumblr.com/57b2db90fb46993d824204c0303dbc1a/tumblr_nlokkgstaM1qdla40o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N73Gtq )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00055316 = 18.4479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00055316 = 13.0269 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/10/28/0210212/pentagon-picks-northrup-grumman-for-next-gen-bomber
assbot: Pentagon Picks Northrup Grumman For Next Gen Bomber - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1N75bYT )
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSWfdHLWUAE52P2.png:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N75djc )
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: hehehehehe
mircea_popescu: bomber-submarine ?
BingoBoingo: lol
punkman: "The cryptographic flaw enabled an eavesdropper to exploit all Top Secret data flowing thorough the "crown jewel systems" of U.S. Encryption called the KG-13. An immediately and emergency modification to the circuits of the Koken stages resolved this matter, but not after it have been in place for over 20 years, and we had been leaking classified intelligence to the Russians."
punkman: dat cv https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOBkx )
punkman: you know, hamplanets have a lot of room for explosive implants
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00055316 = 35.4299 BTC [+]
davout: thestringpuller: http://dpaste.com/10A56AQ.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N780sS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11015 @ 0.00055276 = 6.0887 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76450 @ 0.00055318 = 42.2906 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11058 @ 0.0005532 = 6.1173 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46515 @ 0.00055243 = 25.6963 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60900 @ 0.00055182 = 33.6058 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00055182 = 21.6589 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67950 @ 0.00055168 = 37.4867 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.00055321 = 21.7412 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00055132 = 24.8094 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00055079 = 34.8925 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69492 @ 0.00055358 = 38.4694 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6058 @ 0.00055504 = 3.3624 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00055099 = 14.9869 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35013 @ 0.00055093 = 19.2897 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192116 @ 0.00055535 = 106.6916 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39538 @ 0.00055733 = 22.0357 BTC [+] {2}
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309423 << lol, pocket change is not "doing well". i need to liquidate anything & everything besides top earners and stash it into bitcoin & mpex, i don't want to try to solve an already solved problem ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 22:51:39; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-10-2015#1304851 << someone's doing well by translating trilema eh
gabrielradio: i should probably use more than one address for receiving, shouldn't i
gabrielradio realises the extent of his noobness, is going to work diligently towards getting out of it
punkman: gabrielradio: what do you do besides translating?
mircea_popescu: gabrielradio hey, you play video games ? ☟︎
gabrielradio: sports betting is my thing
gabrielradio: mircea_popescu, not really
mircea_popescu: aha
gabrielradio: sports betting, but i try to approach it systematically. i have some guys analysing the games
gabrielradio: i pay for their service and place the bets
punkman: soccer?
mircea_popescu: interesting.
gabrielradio: soccer too, yea.
gabrielradio: american sports
gabrielradio: australian. basically market where there's value
gabrielradio: *any market
gabrielradio: main idea behind the whole thing is that bookies need to give odds for every possible game out there. instead, you only need to identify a few where they got it wrong
mircea_popescu: bitbet might be an opportunity for you to play the reverse.
mircea_popescu: it's been looking for bookies to push lines since forever, basically.
gabrielradio: i thought your stance was that bitbet wasn't really interested in sports betting
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309860 << re. eulora? i was interested in giving it a go ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 13:44:26; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio hey, you play video games ?
mircea_popescu: re bets : it is, provided you actually got a bankroll for em.
mircea_popescu: re eulora : http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora
assbot: Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPP8N )
mircea_popescu: i'll make you an acct once you get it running.
gabrielradio: cool, i'll be on it today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18714 @ 0.00055058 = 10.3036 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34286 @ 0.00055049 = 18.8741 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo you able to process that article yet?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72437 @ 0.00055045 = 39.8729 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100250 @ 0.00055043 = 55.1806 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00055043 = 3.798 BTC [-]
PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx? ☟︎
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - EUR/USD Parity in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1111/eur-usd-parity-in-2015/#b38
lobbes: !s Xotica
assbot: 1 results for 'Xotica' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Xotica
PeterL: naphex's thing, what was it called?
PeterL: xotika.tv
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4728 @ 0.00055043 = 2.6024 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/282/1818/20151682 <-- reminded me of that great eugenics article I read recently ;)
assbot: Polyspermy in birds: sperm numbers and embryo survival | Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B: Biological Sciences ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFIKUo )
funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39174 @ 0.00055588 = 21.776 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: *tree
funkenstein_: so.. what exactly was meant by "forgetting the key" if one were to say, discard a vpatch / sig combo?
PeterL: remove your key from the keys dir, so nothing you publish would be allowed in
funkenstein_: wouldn't it only be allowed in if you put it in explicitly?
funkenstein_: i was under the impression that part of the advantage here was having extensibility, pick and choose capability of what patches to use
funkenstein_: might be worth noting that following mod6 v0.0.3: Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch will be doing the diff one dir up from the source
funkenstein_: *vdiff
funkenstein_: whereas all the other patches are made from outside the "bitcoin" directory
funkenstein_: of course V still can be used in either case to apply any patch you like made from anywhere, just a minor annoyance
Naphex: PeterL: it's coming
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mod6 looks
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309899 << i originally wanted to build vdiff into v proper, but decided against it, for simplicity. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 16:30:06; funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143400 @ 0.00055733 = 79.9211 BTC [+] {6}
ascii_field: the important thing is that v (at least my version) has no notion of 'current checkout' or whatnot.
mod6: funkenstein_: so the guide basically wants you to do this:
mod6: cp -pr bitcoin a && cp -pr bitcoin b
mod6: then make your changes in b
mod6: then
mod6: vdiff.sh a b > your_patch_name.vpatch
mod6: that should give exactly the basing that you need.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally ☟︎
mod6: i guess i should note that you should run this step first: mkdir -p a b
mod6: then you copy in a "pressed" version or "branch" into a & b, make your changes in b, then vdiff, all should be happy.
funkenstein_: my mistake was that inside a & b were: COPYING and /src directory
funkenstein_: instead of a single directory "bitcoin" with that in it
mod6: yup, no prob -- glad you asked.
mod6: don't hesitate if you hit any other bumps in the road :]
funkenstein_: ascii_field, I will do so thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16013 @ 0.00055773 = 8.9309 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43063 @ 0.00055773 = 24.0175 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 'Turns out that the grapics chips required a binary blob so we decided to drop supporting Lemote, they are just not getting the point. Mixing an open source CPU with an evil graphics chip is just retarded.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: RIP closest-thing-to-chinese-workstation-cpu.
ascii_field tried FOR YEARS to buy JUST ONE, never succeeded
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135903 @ 0.00055764 = 75.7849 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65087 @ 0.00055755 = 36.2893 BTC [-]
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the fucking blimp broke loose. https://twitter.com/jmvfc8/status/659415973699670016/photo/1
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70551 @ 0.00055547 = 39.189 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: see also http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/federal-workplace/bs-md-blimps-20150924-story.html
assbot: Seventeen years and $2.7 billion in, Pentagon&apos;s high-tech blimps fail to deliver on promise - Baltimore Sun ... ( http://bit.ly/1kb0Sjz )
phf: mircea_popescu: afaiu, steam now funnels all indie submissions through "steam greenlight". you list your game for $100 fee, description, screenshots, gameplay videos, demos, etc. and the commoonity votes on whether or not they would want to see it in the store. they explicitly mention that for free games any sort of in game payments must been done exclusively through "steam wallet". the technical side involves integrating their
phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc. ☟︎
thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform ☟︎
thestringpuller: but it's saved a lot of publishers from bankrupcy in the last 5 years or so.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: it's a kolhoz.
ascii_field: exactly like apple's appstore, etc.
ascii_field: saved from bankruptcy, yes, but now you are in a kolhoz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83372 @ 0.00055043 = 45.8904 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: well maybe in app store, [other defacto walled garden here]. Steam is more of a distribution platform rather than a true walled garden.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: from your perspective it would seem this has been going on in video games since the 80's
thestringpuller: Nintendo was very much a walled garden distribution center for the NES/Famicom
thestringpuller: one required "the nintendo seal of approval" to appear on a nintendo console and it usually saved developers/publishers since consumers at that shit up
thestringpuller: Steam is no different imo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46450 @ 0.00054955 = 25.5266 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60050 @ 0.00055381 = 33.2563 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72700 @ 0.00054808 = 39.8454 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309890 << notyet. ohai Naphex ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 15:46:29; PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha they lost their goodyear ?
ascii_field: $1B radar aerostat.
ascii_field: it was in the logz on a few occasions
ascii_field: surveilled wash., d.c. region
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309923 <<< probably good policy for everyone on their first/first few ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 16:56:05; ascii_field: funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally
mircea_popescu: ascii_field aha. pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you find it, take extensive pics and blog them you're a terrorist, right ?
ascii_field: naturally.
ascii_field: last i hear it was found, floating in pennsylvania, somewhere.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309946 << i dun have a problem paying for their tits, whatevs. the issue is the "integrating sdk" whatever. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:10:09; phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.
mircea_popescu: currently there is no official way to buy eulora anything anywya. you want to, gotta find a player that does it.
mircea_popescu: my subversion of the modes of ustardism is quite strong and well constructed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-10-2015#1309947 << issues of least concern. they can keep 100% for all i care. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:13:22; thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform
mircea_popescu: (i also won't be setting up any sort of payment anything)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66540 @ 0.00055381 = 36.8505 BTC [+] {2}
phf: is there already an adhoc way to pay you btc to buy in game currency?
mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: but you'd be paying jurov.
mircea_popescu: ie, gotta buy it from players.
phf: right
mircea_popescu: keeps inflation in check at any rate.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: don't think steam is practical for eulora.
diametric: http://abc27.com/2015/10/28/runaway-blimp-crosses-lancaster-county/
assbot: Runaway military blimp floats over Pennsylvania ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9IRhg )
mircea_popescu: on the basis of what ?
diametric: "It was floating northeast at around 30 mph. Authorities said it is equipped with a device to slowly deflate it, but it apparently is not working."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: steam is like the facebook of gaming. out of all the games people download from steam they play a small percent of them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00055788 = 21.1437 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: for instance during a steam sale, people will get like 50 games and play maybe 5
mircea_popescu: not like it costs me anything.
thestringpuller: true. what about n00b events?
mircea_popescu: o look who's here.
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
princessnell: hiya
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller noobs get freebies as it is.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbJYYkXIAAHvZq.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gHDU )
mircea_popescu: kinda designed for noobs to make a killing really.
ascii_field: but moreover, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbK0soWsAAU8vb.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gMr3 )
mircea_popescu: lol
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: definitely, but for instance discovery quests, stuff that involves story etc.
mircea_popescu: dja play the vidya, princessnell ?
princessnell: which one?
mircea_popescu: eulora, ofcourse!
ascii_field: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSbO-9UVAAA6mZ5.jpg << moar.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2gPmU )
princessnell: no, but i will now
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: check it out, eulora has like the best f:m ratio in all gaming.
princessnell: really? better than candy crush?
thestringpuller: XD
mircea_popescu: princessnell actual majority, yo.
mircea_popescu has been confiscating slave's pad, surrepetitiously playing candy crush!
mircea_popescu: no homo.
mircea_popescu: just... ecclectic, let's call sluttery thus.
kakobrekla: ;;google candy crush
gribble: Candy Crush Saga - King: <http://candycrushsaga.com/>; Candy Crush Saga on the App Store - iTunes - Apple: <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/candy-crush-saga/id553834731?mt=8>; Candy Crush Saga Online - Play the game at King.com: <https://king.com/#!/play/candycrush>
kakobrekla: meh
mircea_popescu: quarter billion / year, most of the uk economy, yo.
mircea_popescu: all they got is this and fish/chips. who the fuck eats fish&chips.
kakobrekla: o/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55660 @ 0.00055529 = 30.9074 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "Looking for somebody who is fuzzing 64-bit #Chrome on a 1Gb Win7 VM with crash reporting turned on; @ChromiumDev are not happy w/ the noise"
mircea_popescu: hahaha what!
ascii_field: l0l!!
mircea_popescu: check it out - disaster mitigation created a ddos avenue
mircea_popescu waves at mats.
punkman: pretty cheap eh http://www.amazon.com/Callebaut-Chocolate-Block-Semisweet-53-8%25/dp/B005IOXBY0/
assbot: Amazon.com : Callebaut Chocolate Block Semisweet 53.8% cocoa 5 kilo / 11 lbs : Baking Chocolates : Grocery & Gourmet Food ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2iBo7 )
punkman is chipping away at a big piece
punkman: http://niquette.com/books/101words/relatshp.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KG9sw8 )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: https://twitter.com/AndyMehalshick/status/659448818241548288
ascii_field: ^ balloon tether shorting out power lines as it goes
punkman: "Hi Andy - can MSNBC use this photo? Thanks in advance." "Hi Andy, can we (bostonglobe) use this photo?"
punkman: "we don't have any money, but surely you want fame for 15 milliseconds"
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: "you can, but you may not."?
mircea_popescu: nobody actually remembers 2ndary level english do they.
mircea_popescu: what if they weren't journos but "scientists", "hi andy, division is commutative ok ?"
deedbot-: [Qntra] Billion Dollar Blimp Brings Destruction - http://qntra.net/2015/10/billion-dollar-blimp-brings-destruction/
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: Did I win the Titling Title?
punkman: mircea_popescu: Andy's also a journo, so probably not even Andy's photo
punkman: BingoBoingo: if you change the last word
BingoBoingo: To?
punkman: bedlam?
BingoBoingo: Bedlam doesn't imply broken things though.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, You can't do run-on alliteration
BingoBoingo: Breaking the alliteration there emphasizes Destruction
punkman: speaking of titles http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Meerkat-Expert-Allegedly-Attacked-Monkey-Handler-With-Wine-Glass-Over-Llama-Keeper-333092291.html
BingoBoingo: K maybe that beat it
mircea_popescu: dingoboingo : billion dollar blimp destroys beryland
punkman: my entry: billion dollar blimp blown with the wind
thestringpuller: ^
mircea_popescu: "A former meerkat expert at London Zoo has been ordered to pay compensation to a monkey handler she attacked with a wine glass in a love spat over a llama-keeper."
mircea_popescu: ok, that's good.
mircea_popescu: A judge at Westminster Magistrates' Court said Wednesday that Caroline Westlake must pay 800 pounds ($1,235) to Kate Sanders for assaulting her in a dispute over colleague Adam Davies, who had dated both women.
mircea_popescu: !up ether_
ether_: mircea
mircea_popescu: aha
ether_: mircea i have a question for you
mircea_popescu: don't ask to ask.
ether_: Just mentioned it because I send it as a PM.
mircea_popescu: don't do that, either.
ether_: O, well. Quesiton is; are you still selling ether?
mircea_popescu: the current avenue for the general public to take positions on that scam would be https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (35%) on Yes, 135.94 B (65%) on No | closing in 1 month 4 days | weight: 49`754 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
BingoBoingo: "n a nut shell postmodern American politics amounts to physically obese liberal poor attacking the mentally obese conservative middle class" << http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3176
assbot: JL: ‘What Are Your Politics?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1S9TkJs )
ether_: i found an article that mentioned i need to contact you via this chat to purchase etherum :s
BingoBoingo: ether_: Wasn't that an old, expired offer?
mircea_popescu: there was an open offer for a long time. none of the sort of starstruck noob that falls for scamcoins with some regularity had enough btc to actually take a position, with one exception. that dude then managed to lose his key.
mircea_popescu: it really put the kaibosh on dealing with nobodies.
mircea_popescu: you wanna trade and shit, get into the wot.
ether_: O well, I just read some news article about how microsoft is going to use ether for a new service, so I wanted to buy a few thousand just in case.
mircea_popescu: see above.
mircea_popescu: 2:1 should be enough for anyone.
ether_: anyway, this is where i found the article, maybe contact them to have it removed/updated: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTGPjz )
punkman: man, I always have to reread that bet to remember what Yes side means
davout: punkman: yes is consent, easy yo
davout: no is raep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18175 @ 0.00054786 = 9.9574 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i thought no was anal.
ether_: i guess i will refrain from buying ether then. anyone here invested in other coin other than btc?
davout: no, "please let me sleep" is anal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23275 @ 0.00054467 = 12.6772 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: try #altcoin-assets.
davout: also, good evening :D
mircea_popescu: hola frenchie.
davout: re alt chans, looks like jurov left #bitcoin-anal
mircea_popescu: this chan doesn't troll worth a shit ;/
davout: did -assets ever discuss deterministic ECDSA signatures for transactions?
punkman: davout: ye
davout: !ecdsa signatures
mircea_popescu: iirc we hated them
davout: !s ecdsa signatures
assbot: 6 results for 'ecdsa signatures' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ecdsa+signatures
mircea_popescu: davout how do i get you to actually try zee eulora ?
davout: i guess the more you wait, the closer the probability of me trying it approaches 1 :D
davout: i do want to try it though
davout: on one hand
jurov: davout you keep tabs on me? does that mean anything?
davout: jurov: i keep tabs on everyone, you're not special!
davout: i kindof remember you being there like what, a year ago, maybe i'm mistaken
davout: re eulora i'm kinda scared of getting addicted to video games
davout: on the other hand
mircea_popescu: this one is practically crack. the people who play it play it like 20 hours/day
mircea_popescu: the people who don't play it... don't play it yet.
ascii_field: speaking of ecdsa,
ascii_field: http://resetprinters.net/how-to-downgrade-firmware-version-of-samsung-printer.html << this exists.
assbot: How to downgrade firmware version of Samsung printer | Reset Printers/Copiers ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiclPQ )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
punkman: ascii_field: but why?
ascii_field: http://www.alex-banzai.net/index.php?action=forum&theme=768 << ru guide to same.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WicAu6 )
ascii_field: punkman: 'rights management' aka 'you think you bought this printer but you actually bought the right to print 2000 pages and throw it out'
davout: this is kinda old isn't it?
ascii_field: davout: this kind of braindamage has been around for some years, yes. but until now i did not know that it has reached the point where you have to patch ~the printer itself~ rather than merely the eeprom in the cartridge.
davout: iirc there was some guy that demonstrated that indeed, printers would seppuku after X printed pages by doing exactly that, showing that by re-programming it, the 'broken' printer came back to life
ascii_field: as in IT WON'T PRINT unless the two agree and crypto-handshake etc.
punkman: "Your Printer has stopped? Waste Ink Pads counter overflow? Want to go to Canon Customer Service? Want give them $50? DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME and MONEY – RESET YOUR PRINTERS YOURSELF"
davout: aha, so far i thought it was limited to a simple counter in the printer itself
ascii_field: davout: apparently not any longer.
davout: in the same vein "oh you plugged this no-brand iphone cable in? not certified by apple? fuck you bitch, i'm not charging"
vulpes_a_hopital: lovely logs, all.
ascii_field: davout: now there's proprietary crud in the cartridge ~and~ the printer that rsa to one another.
vulpes_a_hopital: 42 2/7
vulpes_a_hopital off again
ascii_field: what's that
davout: trusted printing, sounds like a cool application for blawkchain technologee
ascii_field: can't wait for trusted shitting
ascii_field: 1,001 shits and toilet cements itself shut.
ascii_field: and will report you, terrorist, if you tamper.
BingoBoingo: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/serena-williams-is-dating-alexis-ohanian-the-co-founder-of-reddit-20152810 << Reddit lolz
assbot: Serena Williams Is Dating Alexis Ohanian, the Co-Founder of Reddit - Us Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1ij6h6R )
davout: "would you download a car??"
ascii_field: 'i would if i could, motherfuckers'
davout: i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough
ascii_field: l0l
ascii_field: print me a light bulb.
BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/a/WDwyW
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wiebjr )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: tldr
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's for the cockroach-ologists
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00054988 = 10.3652 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: o hey, is it the vulception vulpes_a_hopital ?
BingoBoingo: Imma guess
BingoBoingo: so
BingoBoingo: that or a twee portland bicycle on bicycle accident
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: <davout> i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough << when i was a kid there was a 1hour midnight show that actually played z80 tapes
ascii_field recalls this from the logz
mircea_popescu: a yea, must have mentioned
jurov stopped at "so we vibing over our hoeism or whatevs"
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
jurov: BingoBoingo's story
mircea_popescu: i think i'm missing out. da fuck's that even mean.
jurov: we'll all know when it ends up on trilema, with annotations
BingoBoingo: It's my last imgur link, bunch of screencaps of tweets now removed
mircea_popescu: i'd rather play cunty lush.
BingoBoingo: From the story: "So when they finished he gave her $100. I said "jess, you selling your puss for $100??? Pussy is worth thousands. U Trippin"
BingoBoingo: Then she makes Jess a Backpage ad with a $500 minimum and shit goes to all hell
punkman: mega-cockroach-story
davout: stories, on fucking twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00054432 = 15.4315 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: fucking "power saving mode"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck invented this stupid shit.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: no, seriously. why the fuck is a monitor turning off by itself.
mircea_popescu: who came up with this idiocy.
ascii_field: sop on shitmonitors
ascii_field: configurable on adultmonitors.
kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52802 @ 0.00054852 = 28.963 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: hey even i can afford a eizo
ascii_field: why does mircea_popescu have a shitmonitor ?
mircea_popescu: no. bvut guess what
mircea_popescu: if you turn off "super saving" greenleaf bullshit
mircea_popescu: it resets all other settings to default
mircea_popescu: fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: and they did this DELIBERATELY.
ascii_field: take it to the shooting range and shoot it
mircea_popescu: exactly like i'm going to rape their daughters with a muskrat.
ascii_field: then buy eizo colouredge.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field maker of "eizo whatever" is as much in my wot has lg.
davout: !s deterministic ecdsa
assbot: 2 results for 'deterministic ecdsa' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deterministic+ecdsa
mircea_popescu: 0 reason to prefer any turd over any other turd.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it isn't a turd !
jurov: mircea_popescu: you don't even accept recommendation from ppl who are in your wot?
ascii_field: ^
ascii_field: i use EXCLUSIVELY these now.
ascii_field: whenever possible.
mircea_popescu: jurov if i was looking to buy one. but as it is, fuck it, what can he do if it turns out to be a dud, make the eizo ceo do my dishes ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i have 4, of 3 different types. can comment on the characteristics of the particular samples.
ascii_field: naturally anything can 'turn out to be a dud'
ascii_field: actually make that 5, of 4 types
mircea_popescu: but there's nothing more in that recomendation than "this cheez tastes good", is there ? not like it's 4:3 or some shit.
ascii_field: (i have a b&w one that is not in service currently)
mircea_popescu: just another shitty monitor from the shitty people that make the shitty monitors.
ascii_field: actually they have measurable characteristics which th manufacturer guarantees
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45016 @ 0.00054386 = 24.4824 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: which, in particular, is mircea_popescu interested in ?
ascii_field: yes i have a 4:3.
jurov: but mircea_popescu wants his monitor to do dishes
mircea_popescu: i guess. i'm just not of the mind that there can be such a thing as a good lcd anyway.
ascii_field: and a 16:10 and a 16:9.
punkman: eizo has a square monitor btw
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there are precisely two makers of 'good lcd'
ascii_field: eizo and barco.
mircea_popescu: alright. well... i got a new lg, which hopefully now no longer power saves.
ascii_field: but if you'd rather suffer with consumer shit - who am i to argue.
mircea_popescu: da fuck power would it save anyway THE FUCKING TRANSFORMER IS STILL PLUGGED IN
mircea_popescu: idiots.
punkman: (here it is http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/ )
assbot: FlexScan EV2730Q | EIZO ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8hEN9 )
ascii_field: all of my panels have 10-bit (yes) DACs, no detectable dithering.
punkman: 8bit is fine too, if it's actually 8
ascii_field: (for what the two extra bits? for plugging in the colorimeter and fine-verniering, naturally)
mircea_popescu: i would rather make my own fucking monitor.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, i gotta go around with a colorimeter now.
ascii_field: you do it once when unpacking
mircea_popescu: i don't even want to do the unpacking.
ascii_field: or if, i suppose, significant temperature move
ascii_field: anyway this part is optional and only for fanatics (artists, folks who actually ~need~ to reproduce a colour)
ascii_field: i don't even have it.
mircea_popescu: im just pissy.
mircea_popescu: fucking "power save".
mircea_popescu: i hope they get buzzword cancer. and it'll be unoperable by definition.
ascii_field: welcome to how i feel every time i touch just short of anything !
punkman: I'd like a colorimeter so I can skip the uncomfortable period when changing monitors
punkman: otherwise, I don't care about teh colors enough
ascii_field: punkman: why ever change monitors ??
ascii_field: recent ones don't even have tubes. nothing fades.
ascii_field: (replacing ccfl tubes is a royal bitch)
punkman: upgrades, replacements, moving countries
ascii_field: from this thread i find it interesting that mircea_popescu so strongly disbelieves in the existence of proper lcd
ascii_field: perhaps some schmuck once showed him a crapple $2k panel and he took a crowbar to it in disgust
ascii_field: (justifiably)
kakobrekla: once you go ips you can never go back. unless blind.
ascii_field: it isn't just a matter of ips.
kakobrekla: no, but i can live with various ipses, not with any tn.
ascii_field: pre-2006 or so tn is quite usable.
kakobrekla: what, a 17" ?
ascii_field: aha.
kakobrekla: useless
ascii_field: not useless, i used to have #b-a on one.
ascii_field: just such
ascii_field: how many pixels does kakobrekla need to display #b-a ?!
kakobrekla: ba gets about half of the 27s 2560x1440
kakobrekla: i can only plug in 6 x27 monitors before i need a second gpu
kakobrekla: hence 17 is useless
ascii_field not up to 6 yet.
punkman: which gpu does 6?
punkman: cryptome's title entry: "DoD escaped detainee blimp with limp rudder down near Bloomsburg, PA"
kakobrekla: 7970/x280
kakobrekla: sorry, its '280x'
kakobrekla: http://www.scan.co.uk/images/products/2248925-b.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8jxJL )
kakobrekla: you need a dp splitter also.
ascii_field: uk lulz >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3293154/Britain-s-spies-throw-open-doors-GCHQ-reveal-intimate-secrets-Cage-codebreakers-flip-flops-Starbucks-baristas-pass-security-checks.html
assbot: Britain's spies throw open doors of GCHQ to reveal intimate secrets | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8jz4n )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b31
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/politics/obama-legal-authorization-osama-bin-laden-raid.html << moar lulz
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RC7xxO )
ascii_field: ^ usg brags of its murders
ascii_field: 'Stretching sparse precedents, the lawyers worked in intense secrecy. Fearing leaks, the White House would not let them consult aides or even the administration’s top lawyer, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. They did their own research, wrote memos on highly secure laptops and traded drafts hand-delivered by trusted couriers.'
phf: /quit ...
phf: err, fail
BingoBoingo: Armory has transitioned to Abandonware after the "phone home" debacle https://archive.is/vDjxw
assbot: Will the free open source Armory wallet continue to be developed going forward? ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8lcPA )
punkman: "They discussed possible situations in which it might still be lawful to shoot Bin Laden even if he appeared to be surrendering — for instance, if militants next to him were firing weapons, or if he could be concealing a suicide vest under his clothing"
mircea_popescu: maybe if they gave bin laden a forgetfulness potion they could muster the balls to approach him
punkman: "on a key point they concur: In Bin Laden’s final moments, he neither resisted nor surrendered."
ascii_field: this re: the ancient and ongoing thread about whether usg is somehow limited by laws.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.64000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b55
punkman: https://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/5680724572 watching Bin Laden's death
assbot: P050111PS-0210 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8lO7R )
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/bad_at_math.html << it must be pretty infuriating to live in the halfworld that is the us. ☟︎
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Bad At Math ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8mJ8d )
mircea_popescu: on one hand, juan has real bullets in the gun. on the other hand, the state is a theatrical performance.
mircea_popescu: no wonder everyone goes nuts.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49934 @ 0.00054345 = 27.1366 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/f8c207ba384c6c999e16d9a22f3f8e73/tumblr_n5y566K3sj1sqcs9ko1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RC9Lxp )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66100 @ 0.00054971 = 36.3358 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054988 = 16.1665 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27644 @ 0.00054987 = 15.2006 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60599 @ 0.00055087 = 33.3822 BTC [+]