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pete_dushenski: man, b-a time infused with parenting time is straight trippy
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 19:03:59; mircea_popescu: but i got an idea of a graphic novel, suddeenly : in this crapsack world in which the implementation of the "jews eating babies"/"white slavers" moral panic / fetish is actual farms to literally produce baby viande as per the modest proposal, it is discovered that ringworm infection of the abdomen in 2nd trimester females results in tastier, if very strangely diformed veal.
pete_dushenski was perhaps mistaken, but recalls chapter outlines in trilema article in last 6 months
mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.
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pete_dushenski: mats you're too cool to recognise/fellate your betters ?
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:13:33; asciilifeform:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1308948 << disingenuous to bring it back to 'but we gotta raise the cost for attackerz' while carefully omitting to mention that in ALL OF THESE 'mitigation' derpitudes 'attacker' invariably, INESCAPABLY really means 'attackers other than usg'
mats: i don't have your exhibitionist streak.
mats: this is patent nonsense. do you run your boxes with aslr on? then some classes of exploits usg may use against you could certainly involve rop gadgets. then, 'RAP' may prevent code execution.
mats: look: i get the allergic response. your hyperbole dial is set to 10, however...
mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:12:05; mats: in this channel: pete_dushenski busily fellating alf, part... dunno.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:14:05; mats:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-10-2015#1309017 << disingenuous, because all agents of usg are entrusted with masterpwn key? mitigations do not raise the cost of exploitation, even for usg? because, last i checked, they use kits like everybody else in the game.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:25:20; mircea_popescu: the dispute is deeper than that. he just doesn't want to work towards fixing the current paradigm. which i guess is fine. you apparently do. imo this is also fine, that's why there's two of you, so you can be in two places at the same time.
mats: this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'
☟︎ mats: security isn't for the incompetent and poor, yes
mats: those of means, that understand how to layer without creating as many bugs than were presumed to have been squashed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform be that as it may, each and every markslord is more than free to use his resources whichever way he pleases.
mats: idk why you'd think that.
phf: jurov: mac os x build of eulora uses clang, there might be some insight in the patches. specifically i go the whole way of patching/making sure it works autoconf for crystal space, which might be necessary to move forward with any sort of linking issues, etc.
jurov: phf i did not even try llvm to eat it whole. first i wanted to try compile eulora into dynamic lib with gcc and link that one to interpreter
jurov: wrote ersatz "mymain" function, but couldn't get ld to place it as exported symbol in that euclient.so, dunno why
jurov: it was alright in .o files and when i linked it all together, ended always in private section
mats: then you should know i respect the work you've done for 'tmsr'. all disagreements about the fabric of the universe, aside.
jurov: mats: you say "there is a curve"... is there any serious reason or data supporting the notion it has maximum where you think it is?
mircea_popescu: more on point : is there any reason you suspect it's either differentiable or even continuous ?
phf: jurov: oh i gave up trying to mix the two, i was getting both linking and runtime issues trying to build c++ with gcc 4.2 and objc with clang.
phf: jurov: making llvm eat the whole is a better way to preserve sanity, because then you're dealing with fixing source, rather then hunting down opaque binary issues.
jurov: there are multiple ways to "fix the source" to make ld export symbols, too. but i did not find the right one yet...
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jurov: and did you end up with something that can be released?
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phf: jurov: my impression is that linking clang produced object files against gcc objects files results in heisenbugs. making the entire source code work with llvm is essentially going through source and fixing it to conform to clang's expectations.
phf: i think, and it's been a while now, clang and gcc use different versions of libstdc++, even if you can coerce the two to see each others symbols (something i had mixed success with originally) you're than potentially touching in memory objects with methods that have incompatible expectations about what the memory layout of the object actually is
mircea_popescu: "Exactly. So you should have sent it to the physicists. You know, the ones who work a building over in the same university that you do. That was the whole reason for universities, right?
mircea_popescu: No, I'm a dummy. The purpose of universities is to suck up Stafford loan money. And the purpose of journals is to mark territory, more money in that, like a corporation that spins off a subsidiary. NO CROSS SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION ALLOWED IN SCIENCE, EVER, EXCEPT IN SCIENCE, NATURE, AND THE POPULAR PRESS."
phf: asciilifeform: only if you're trying to be lazy :>
phf: asciilifeform: eulora/planeshift/crystalspace combination requires gcc 4.2 to build out of the box, gcc 4.2 is out of sync with current objective c ecosystem. one hacky way to fix the issue is to build objc files with clang and then link it against gcc produced parts. the approach was a deadend, as any sane person would realize
mats: i don't have a reason i can table for scrutiny, just intuition -- there has been a lot of great work done in recent past that makes it possible to substantially reduce attack surface of e.g. linux, a monster weighing, what, 14mn loc now?
mircea_popescu: mats you recall the discussion of the "poor tenants" and their proclivity to focus on a single measure to be lied to ?
jurov: asciilifeform: playing requires repetitive actions, and it has binary network protocol... so easiest is try to piggyback bots into existing client
mircea_popescu: or the discussion of the "poor entrepreneurs" and their bizarre notions of equity and dilution ?
mats: grsec restrictions on 'sysfs' reduces attack surface by mitigating information leak vulnerabilities, for example
jurov: under very relaxed definition of "working on".. just trying misc around
phf: jurov: so
http://www.eulorum.org/OS_X produces a working build, just not something you can upload as an archive, because the links between binaries rely on absolute paths. i think it's possible to go over all of them and replace absolute paths with relative paths using install_name_tool, but i haven't had a chance to try it yet. (just finished moving to DC yesterday, so i've been busy)
jurov: phf, windows and linux builds are likely to depend on absolute paths, too, don't sweat it
jurov: er.. linux not, but windows
phf: jurov: well, i could build eulora into /Applications/Foo.app/... structure, and then require people to install by dropping resulting app into /Applications/ on their machine, but there's no sport in that
jurov: and you may want to get ftp account from mircea in advance, he has very strict security procedures on that
jurov: i couldn't login via sftp, got banned, etc. took it few days :D
mircea_popescu: lol well... i think is standard knowledge by now, but if it isn't : do NOT retry that fifth time.
phf: "ftp://upload:password@eulorum.org"? :)
mircea_popescu: if your ssh/sftpd "does not work", just like if your atm pin doesn't work, try twice
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mats: yes, anything not-root doesn't get access to certain things that enable attacker to recon system
mircea_popescu: mats do you understand conceptually what "burning" is ?
mircea_popescu: in a sentence such as "a narrow burn cycle to keep moving the market".
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 17:00:22; mircea_popescu: i love this chan, there's people in the know on EVERYTHING
danielpbarron: clicking around I found a page on the role of women that isn't totally wrong, but it's in that same 90s style as the one you linked, whereas the root directory is some web 2.0 looking garbage, so I'm not sure if that's still their stance
danielpbarron: the only church I attended was a sort of basement thing at a neighbor's house, and that was only for a couple years in my mid 20s
mats: mircea_popescu: in that sentence, no
mircea_popescu: in the end this might all be about that learning curve / experience after all.
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trinque: interesting re: tlp article how the actual "dope" in the wish-fulfillment fantasy is non-obvious to the junkie himself. there's that hindbrain again.
assbot: Logged on 27-10-2015 18:28:17; asciilifeform: i've nothing against the hindbrain per se. but it is not the mind. why not call arse and elbow same word also, if we do this ?
trinque: it seems more than that, too, but I continue to digest.
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2015 06:55:24; *: gabriel_laddel glances to the side, sees 10 orange crush cans.
BingoBoingo: "The problem is that the parents already know the sex. They can't unknow it. They aren't acting from no information, they are acting in reaction to the information. They are saying they are raising him gender neutral, but what they are actually doing, precisely, is choosing not to raise him as a boy."
BingoBoingo: "because it shows the hierarchy of power in this woman's mind: she doesn't believe in God, she can overrule biology; but the school system is inviolable."
phf: trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end << cl-irc is a thin layer on top of irc protocol, so connection state is something you have to handle yourself. connectedp simply queries underlying stream for whether it's still formally open. you have to setup mechanism (say a separate thread) to send PING to the server at a regular
phf: interval to trag lag. if the lag is too high, i.e. pong is not returning after some interval, attempt a reconnect
mircea_popescu: trinque the important part here is this : by the time the ancient parts function in "failure modes", the "life of the mind" is broken beyond comparison.
mircea_popescu: you readily understand this if you think about hardware, which you aren't psychowired to nuttily defend. by the time the bearing audibly rumbles, the fucking software in that car has long been a mess.
mircea_popescu: by the time your cd tray is moving in and out as if possessing a life of its own, the "browser toolbars" are long past the bottom of the monitor.
mircea_popescu: if your "hindbrain" observably malfunctions you've been stupid, insistently, for a long long time.
trinque: phf: makes sense; I'll see about that this weekend
mircea_popescu: "I've started a new site, Partial Objects, which is a short form, high post frequency version of TLP, and I'm going to use TLP for longer posts." << gone, sadly.
mircea_popescu: "Why are you hearing about this story, in this way: "oh my god, those bastards won't even cut a break to a poor black woman?" Because that story simultaneously delivers the government's message: "we don't squander taxpayer resources; we'll fight to protect every dime we can get." The symbiosis between media and politics: the media gets their readers, and the government gets their message relayed to the public. Ther
mircea_popescu: "Anyone on the outside should be able to see this for what it is: a mafia style protection racket. Pay us. If you pay us, we will protect you from those who... don't pay us."
mircea_popescu: i wonder what became of that whole crew then. there's what, adozen or so people writing ?
mircea_popescu: Recently, a rising Hollywood superstar saved a young woman’s life from an oncoming cab in New York City. Most women would swoon over a guy like this coming into contact with her let alone him being a hero (a real human being) to her. Instead, she revealed a very telling thing about her nature
mircea_popescu: “But as a feminist, a writer, and a gentlewoman of fortune, I refuse to be cast in any sort of boring supporting female role, even though I have occasional trouble crossing the road, and even though I did swoon the teeniest tiniest bit when I realized it was him. I think that’s lazy storytelling, and I’m sure Ryan Gosling would agree with me.”
mircea_popescu: holy shit, don't save these derps from car crashes, it's immoral not to mention unethical.
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mircea_popescu: "every time history repeats itself, the price goes up."
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mircea_popescu: "An observation: Sheen went publicly insane early last week. It wasn't until this Tuesday night, after Extra and Today started showing the goddesses, that the court ordered an extraction team to medivac his kids. He's had a week of full on insanity, 20/20 had an entire crew in his house last Saturday, Radar was in there all day and no one felt obligated to rescue the children, but go on TV and publicly say you like mu
mircea_popescu: ltiple vaginas and they put your name on a database. No more interstate travel for you."
mircea_popescu: "The only thing you're never supposed to do in psychiatry is offer an opinion without conducting a full psychiatric examination, they're very emphatic about this, which is weird because half your grade on the psychiatric board exam comes from diagnosing a guy in a 10 minute video clip from 1977. (Academic dishonesty spoiler alert: he has OCD.) "
mircea_popescu: "The first step is to make the other person feel important, that she has been heard. She's upset, so you assure her that you're going to take on her level of intensity to handle the situation, you will make it as much of a priority for you as it obviously is for her"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, empowering the michael moore strategy, "you're a fucking nobody trying to appear important and we're going to take you seriously!" ? fuck that shit.
mircea_popescu: "Finally, in every conflict, the ones you can win and the ones you can't, unless you really want to fight you must always give the other person a saving-face way to back down. No one, especially nowadays, wants to walk away in shame, they'd rather die, or kill you. Angry Mom stupidly made this public, and so she has no way to back down unless you, as the more powerful person, the one with understanding, give her one
mircea_popescu: sometimes people just don't get what they want. and in THEIR case, it's all the time anyway, so best be well used to it.
mircea_popescu: often the correct solution is the one daphna waxman met ; invent an exquisite, heretofore ~inimaginable~ EVEN MORE humiliating retreat, and let them chose the shameful retreat they weren't originally going to choose, and be thankful for it.
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mircea_popescu: heh. "But now all sorts of well-established, multiply confirmed findings have started to look increasingly uncertain. It's as if our facts were losing their truth: claims that have been enshrined in textbooks are suddenly unprovable. This phenomenon doesn't yet have an official name, but it's occurring across a wide range of fields, from psychology to ecology."
mircea_popescu: in fact it's just that "psychology" or "ecology" ARE NOT FIELDS. they do not produce valid science. they never have. yes, they churn out "studies". those studies have no scientific value, and no importance whatsoever past their PSEUDOscientific value.
mircea_popescu: neither my e nor my planck constant have "declined" over time.
mircea_popescu: (turns out tlp says the exact same thing in more words. hurray for blogging.)
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BingoBoingo: Depends on his consumption. Also the early stages can be subtle.
BingoBoingo: Actually went to a meeting tonight. Was gifted a book of extraordinary size.
BingoBoingo: Nah, more like a bible, but printed on real paper
BingoBoingo: Not literally huge. Just size is a part of its common name.
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mircea_popescu: mod also asked. i ok'd it. whatevs, people who wanna bet on derpy us movies deserve whatever they get.
BingoBoingo: I kinda thought about tossing a couple pennies at it, but there's gotta be more interesting stuff in the future.
BingoBoingo: I think I had one at some point, but I've changed email addresses so many times likely unrecoverable.
mircea_popescu: incidentally let's ask phf the question too. hey, dja have any idea how to package c++ for steam ?
mircea_popescu: seems rather typical / indicative that most references to steam have nothing to do with the platform.
BingoBoingo: The energy transmission medium is the greater thing that name is attached to.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to do a password reset. I'd rather just leave it abandoned.
BingoBoingo: But seriously steam, the power transmission medium doesn't measure on Google?
mircea_popescu: but anyway - eulora needs more noobs. gotta find them somehow.
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mircea_popescu: "This tension in anon culture, that every single person is empowered by the whole of the group and thus merits treatment as a peer, turns these individual hostile challenges into a storm of entitled demands for attention. Anons see themselves as peers to everyone, empowered by the support of the group, and thus entitled to participate in any conversation they aren’t forcibly prevented from entering."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "This makes anons perfect cover for harassers. Not being willing to accept bad faith arguments on their own terms and debate them as if they merited a response is seen as proof of the weakness of your arguments." except all bad arguments can be reduced by reference and demolished in their own terms. an INABILITY to do so speaks to the poor intellectual capacity of the unable, and it is in fact prima facie evidence that
mircea_popescu: whatsoever ELSE they might have produced is probably as stupid as they are.
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punkman: "The cryptographic flaw enabled an eavesdropper to exploit all Top Secret data flowing thorough the "crown jewel systems" of U.S. Encryption called the KG-13. An immediately and emergency modification to the circuits of the Koken stages resolved this matter, but not after it have been in place for over 20 years, and we had been leaking classified intelligence to the Russians."
punkman: you know, hamplanets have a lot of room for explosive implants
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gabrielradio: i should probably use more than one address for receiving, shouldn't i
gabrielradio realises the extent of his noobness, is going to work diligently towards getting out of it
punkman: gabrielradio: what do you do besides translating?
gabrielradio: sports betting, but i try to approach it systematically. i have some guys analysing the games
gabrielradio: australian. basically market where there's value
gabrielradio: main idea behind the whole thing is that bookies need to give odds for every possible game out there. instead, you only need to identify a few where they got it wrong
mircea_popescu: bitbet might be an opportunity for you to play the reverse.
mircea_popescu: it's been looking for bookies to push lines since forever, basically.
gabrielradio: i thought your stance was that bitbet wasn't really interested in sports betting
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 13:44:26; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio hey, you play video games ?
mircea_popescu: re bets : it is, provided you actually got a bankroll for em.
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thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo you able to process that article yet?
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PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?
☟︎ PeterL: naphex's thing, what was it called?
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funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory
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funkenstein_: so.. what exactly was meant by "forgetting the key" if one were to say, discard a vpatch / sig combo?
PeterL: remove your key from the keys dir, so nothing you publish would be allowed in
funkenstein_: wouldn't it only be allowed in if you put it in explicitly?
funkenstein_: i was under the impression that part of the advantage here was having extensibility, pick and choose capability of what patches to use
funkenstein_: might be worth noting that following mod6 v0.0.3: Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch will be doing the diff one dir up from the source
funkenstein_: whereas all the other patches are made from outside the "bitcoin" directory
funkenstein_: of course V still can be used in either case to apply any patch you like made from anywhere, just a minor annoyance
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 16:30:06; funkenstein_: so after a number of tests I was going to submit the fix on this patch, but after using V more often it has become clear that it is annoying to have patches made from different places in the directory
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ascii_field: the important thing is that v (at least my version) has no notion of 'current checkout' or whatnot.
mod6: funkenstein_: so the guide basically wants you to do this:
mod6: cp -pr bitcoin a && cp -pr bitcoin b
mod6: then make your changes in b
mod6: vdiff.sh a b > your_patch_name.vpatch
mod6: that should give exactly the basing that you need.
ascii_field: funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally
☟︎ mod6: i guess i should note that you should run this step first: mkdir -p a b
mod6: then you copy in a "pressed" version or "branch" into a & b, make your changes in b, then vdiff, all should be happy.
funkenstein_: my mistake was that inside a & b were: COPYING and /src directory
funkenstein_: instead of a single directory "bitcoin" with that in it
mod6: yup, no prob -- glad you asked.
mod6: don't hesitate if you hit any other bumps in the road :]
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ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 'Turns out that the grapics chips required a binary blob so we decided to drop supporting Lemote, they are just not getting the point. Mixing an open source CPU with an evil graphics chip is just retarded.'
ascii_field: RIP closest-thing-to-chinese-workstation-cpu.
ascii_field tried FOR YEARS to buy JUST ONE, never succeeded
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assbot: Seventeen years and $2.7 billion in, Pentagon's high-tech blimps fail to deliver on promise - Baltimore Sun ... (
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phf: mircea_popescu: afaiu, steam now funnels all indie submissions through "steam greenlight". you list your game for $100 fee, description, screenshots, gameplay videos, demos, etc. and the commoonity votes on whether or not they would want to see it in the store. they explicitly mention that for free games any sort of in game payments must been done exclusively through "steam wallet". the technical side involves integrating their
phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.
☟︎ thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform
☟︎ thestringpuller: but it's saved a lot of publishers from bankrupcy in the last 5 years or so.
ascii_field: saved from bankruptcy, yes, but now you are in a kolhoz.
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thestringpuller: well maybe in app store, [other defacto walled garden here]. Steam is more of a distribution platform rather than a true walled garden.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: from your perspective it would seem this has been going on in video games since the 80's
thestringpuller: Nintendo was very much a walled garden distribution center for the NES/Famicom
thestringpuller: one required "the nintendo seal of approval" to appear on a nintendo console and it usually saved developers/publishers since consumers at that shit up
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assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 15:46:29; PeterL: mircea_popescu: has there been an update on listing the Xotica thing on MPEx?
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 16:56:05; ascii_field: funkenstein_: i recommend dpasting your patch for review before signing formally
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you find it, take extensive pics and blog them you're a terrorist, right ?
ascii_field: last i hear it was found, floating in pennsylvania, somewhere.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:10:09; phf: "steamworks sdk", which is what lets you store account details in the cloud, message in-steam people, do drm, "microtransactions" etc.
mircea_popescu: currently there is no official way to buy eulora anything anywya. you want to, gotta find a player that does it.
mircea_popescu: my subversion of the modes of ustardism is quite strong and well constructed.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 18:13:22; thestringpuller: phf: yea steam is super picky, and takes a huge cut of payment for using their platform
mircea_popescu: (i also won't be setting up any sort of payment anything)
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phf: is there already an adhoc way to pay you btc to buy in game currency?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: don't think steam is practical for eulora.
diametric: "It was floating northeast at around 30 mph. Authorities said it is equipped with a device to slowly deflate it, but it apparently is not working."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: steam is like the facebook of gaming. out of all the games people download from steam they play a small percent of them.
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thestringpuller: for instance during a steam sale, people will get like 50 games and play maybe 5
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: definitely, but for instance discovery quests, stuff that involves story etc.
mircea_popescu: check it out, eulora has like the best f:m ratio in all gaming.
mircea_popescu has been confiscating slave's pad, surrepetitiously playing candy crush!
mircea_popescu: all they got is this and fish/chips. who the fuck eats fish&chips.
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punkman: "Looking for somebody who is fuzzing 64-bit #Chrome on a 1Gb Win7 VM with crash reporting turned on; @ChromiumDev are not happy w/ the noise"
mircea_popescu: check it out - disaster mitigation created a ddos avenue
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punkman is chipping away at a big piece
ascii_field: ^ balloon tether shorting out power lines as it goes
punkman: "Hi Andy - can MSNBC use this photo? Thanks in advance." "Hi Andy, can we (bostonglobe) use this photo?"
punkman: "we don't have any money, but surely you want fame for 15 milliseconds"
mircea_popescu: nobody actually remembers 2ndary level english do they.
mircea_popescu: what if they weren't journos but "scientists", "hi andy, division is commutative ok ?"
punkman: mircea_popescu: Andy's also a journo, so probably not even Andy's photo
punkman: BingoBoingo: if you change the last word
BingoBoingo: Bedlam doesn't imply broken things though.
BingoBoingo: Breaking the alliteration there emphasizes Destruction
punkman: my entry: billion dollar blimp blown with the wind
mircea_popescu: "A former meerkat expert at London Zoo has been ordered to pay compensation to a monkey handler she attacked with a wine glass in a love spat over a llama-keeper."
mircea_popescu: A judge at Westminster Magistrates' Court said Wednesday that Caroline Westlake must pay 800 pounds ($1,235) to Kate Sanders for assaulting her in a dispute over colleague Adam Davies, who had dated both women.
ether_: mircea i have a question for you
ether_: Just mentioned it because I send it as a PM.
ether_: O, well. Quesiton is; are you still selling ether?
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ether_: i found an article that mentioned i need to contact you via this chat to purchase etherum :s
BingoBoingo: ether_: Wasn't that an old, expired offer?
mircea_popescu: there was an open offer for a long time. none of the sort of starstruck noob that falls for scamcoins with some regularity had enough btc to actually take a position, with one exception. that dude then managed to lose his key.
ether_: O well, I just read some news article about how microsoft is going to use ether for a new service, so I wanted to buy a few thousand just in case.
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punkman: man, I always have to reread that bet to remember what Yes side means
davout: punkman: yes is consent, easy yo
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ether_: i guess i will refrain from buying ether then. anyone here invested in other coin other than btc?
davout: no, "please let me sleep" is anal
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davout: re alt chans, looks like jurov left #bitcoin-anal
davout: did -assets ever discuss deterministic ECDSA signatures for transactions?
davout: i guess the more you wait, the closer the probability of me trying it approaches 1 :D
davout: i do want to try it though
jurov: davout you keep tabs on me? does that mean anything?
davout: jurov: i keep tabs on everyone, you're not special!
davout: i kindof remember you being there like what, a year ago, maybe i'm mistaken
davout: re eulora i'm kinda scared of getting addicted to video games
mircea_popescu: this one is practically crack. the people who play it play it like 20 hours/day
ascii_field: punkman: 'rights management' aka 'you think you bought this printer but you actually bought the right to print 2000 pages and throw it out'
davout: this is kinda old isn't it?
ascii_field: davout: this kind of braindamage has been around for some years, yes. but until now i did not know that it has reached the point where you have to patch ~the printer itself~ rather than merely the eeprom in the cartridge.
davout: iirc there was some guy that demonstrated that indeed, printers would seppuku after X printed pages by doing exactly that, showing that by re-programming it, the 'broken' printer came back to life
ascii_field: as in IT WON'T PRINT unless the two agree and crypto-handshake etc.
punkman: "Your Printer has stopped? Waste Ink Pads counter overflow? Want to go to Canon Customer Service? Want give them $50? DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME and MONEY – RESET YOUR PRINTERS YOURSELF"
davout: aha, so far i thought it was limited to a simple counter in the printer itself
davout: in the same vein "oh you plugged this no-brand iphone cable in? not certified by apple? fuck you bitch, i'm not charging"
ascii_field: davout: now there's proprietary crud in the cartridge ~and~ the printer that rsa to one another.
davout: trusted printing, sounds like a cool application for blawkchain technologee
ascii_field: 1,001 shits and toilet cements itself shut.
ascii_field: and will report you, terrorist, if you tamper.
davout: "would you download a car??"
davout: i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's for the cockroach-ologists
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BingoBoingo: that or a twee portland bicycle on bicycle accident
mircea_popescu: <davout> i can't wait for this to actually be a thing on TV once 3D printing is advanced enough << when i was a kid there was a 1hour midnight show that actually played z80 tapes
jurov stopped at "so we vibing over our hoeism or whatevs"
jurov: BingoBoingo's story
jurov: we'll all know when it ends up on trilema, with annotations
BingoBoingo: It's my last imgur link, bunch of screencaps of tweets now removed
BingoBoingo: From the story: "So when they finished he gave her $100. I said "jess, you selling your puss for $100??? Pussy is worth thousands. U Trippin"
BingoBoingo: Then she makes Jess a Backpage ad with a $500 minimum and shit goes to all hell
davout: stories, on fucking twitter
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mircea_popescu: no, seriously. why the fuck is a monitor turning off by itself.
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ascii_field: why does mircea_popescu have a shitmonitor ?
ascii_field: take it to the shooting range and shoot it
mircea_popescu: exactly like i'm going to rape their daughters with a muskrat.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field maker of "eizo whatever" is as much in my wot has lg.
davout: !s deterministic ecdsa
jurov: mircea_popescu: you don't even accept recommendation from ppl who are in your wot?
mircea_popescu: jurov if i was looking to buy one. but as it is, fuck it, what can he do if it turns out to be a dud, make the eizo ceo do my dishes ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i have 4, of 3 different types. can comment on the characteristics of the particular samples.
ascii_field: naturally anything can 'turn out to be a dud'
mircea_popescu: but there's nothing more in that recomendation than "this cheez tastes good", is there ? not like it's 4:3 or some shit.
ascii_field: (i have a b&w one that is not in service currently)
mircea_popescu: just another shitty monitor from the shitty people that make the shitty monitors.
ascii_field: actually they have measurable characteristics which th manufacturer guarantees
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ascii_field: which, in particular, is mircea_popescu interested in ?
jurov: but mircea_popescu wants his monitor to do dishes
mircea_popescu: i guess. i'm just not of the mind that there can be such a thing as a good lcd anyway.
punkman: eizo has a square monitor btw
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there are precisely two makers of 'good lcd'
mircea_popescu: alright. well... i got a new lg, which hopefully now no longer power saves.
ascii_field: but if you'd rather suffer with consumer shit - who am i to argue.
mircea_popescu: da fuck power would it save anyway THE FUCKING TRANSFORMER IS STILL PLUGGED IN
ascii_field: all of my panels have 10-bit (yes) DACs, no detectable dithering.
punkman: 8bit is fine too, if it's actually 8
ascii_field: (for what the two extra bits? for plugging in the colorimeter and fine-verniering, naturally)
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, i gotta go around with a colorimeter now.
ascii_field: or if, i suppose, significant temperature move
ascii_field: anyway this part is optional and only for fanatics (artists, folks who actually ~need~ to reproduce a colour)
mircea_popescu: i hope they get buzzword cancer. and it'll be unoperable by definition.
ascii_field: welcome to how i feel every time i touch just short of anything !
punkman: I'd like a colorimeter so I can skip the uncomfortable period when changing monitors
punkman: otherwise, I don't care about teh colors enough
ascii_field: recent ones don't even have tubes. nothing fades.
punkman: upgrades, replacements, moving countries
ascii_field: from this thread i find it interesting that mircea_popescu so strongly disbelieves in the existence of proper lcd
ascii_field: perhaps some schmuck once showed him a crapple $2k panel and he took a crowbar to it in disgust
kakobrekla: once you go ips you can never go back. unless blind.
kakobrekla: no, but i can live with various ipses, not with any tn.
ascii_field: how many pixels does kakobrekla need to display #b-a ?!
kakobrekla: ba gets about half of the 27s 2560x1440
kakobrekla: i can only plug in 6 x27 monitors before i need a second gpu
punkman: cryptome's title entry: "DoD escaped detainee blimp with limp rudder down near Bloomsburg, PA"
ascii_field: 'Stretching sparse precedents, the lawyers worked in intense secrecy. Fearing leaks, the White House would not let them consult aides or even the administration’s top lawyer, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. They did their own research, wrote memos on highly secure laptops and traded drafts hand-delivered by trusted couriers.'
punkman: "They discussed possible situations in which it might still be lawful to shoot Bin Laden even if he appeared to be surrendering — for instance, if militants next to him were firing weapons, or if he could be concealing a suicide vest under his clothing"
mircea_popescu: maybe if they gave bin laden a forgetfulness potion they could muster the balls to approach him
punkman: "on a key point they concur: In Bin Laden’s final moments, he neither resisted nor surrendered."
ascii_field: this re: the ancient and ongoing thread about whether usg is somehow limited by laws.
mircea_popescu: on one hand, juan has real bullets in the gun. on the other hand, the state is a theatrical performance.
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