phf: heh, qijialiang@CVN-SERVER
gabriel_laddel: "there's this one neat trick they don't want you to know after all " << hahaha
gabriel_laddel: IMHO, hackathons are at their core a good thing - all implementations thus far have been terrible.
trinque: sure, throw competent people into a room, give 'em toys, sounds great
mats: mircea_popescu: how long do you plan to keep the legal research project open?
mircea_popescu: for sure can't close it with all the work you put into it.
phf: gabriel_laddel: original meaning is "remote team briefly works face to face". i think hackathons without shared context and common goal are fundamentally misguided
gabriel_laddel: phf: Sure, as "fundamentally misguided" as any other meetup for young people.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel sure, but there's meetup of young people ie team + cheerleaders on the bus back from game away ; and then there's the meetup of young people ie, jay explains to preteens what the clit is.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : someone should start an "abortion club" trollage/moral panic. whereby you convince "the media" that the latest fad among teenagers is abortion club. "you gotta have one to be someone!"
mircea_popescu: "the latest dangerous fad to sweep our nation's junior high scene since that faux story about fermented shit we came up with out of nowhere."
trinque: my (former) buddy in middle school tried to smoke the banana peels
trinque: yeah, I think that's where he got it
trinque: kid was scared to smoke weed, though
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> chess has been solved << not quite
cazalla: trinque, don't forget nutmeg!
mircea_popescu: o no wait, it was "careful with that axe, eugene" not "trinque, don't forget the nutmeg".
trinque: heh, sure, and his "dose" was 5 teaspoons
mats: mircea_popescu: i can build a table for 4 (total score, number of cases), but what sort of statistical data are you looking for? the set is small and idk how you'd judge the quality of the data
mircea_popescu: im not looking for anything too elaborate. do a formal "here's everything" bit and i'll call it good.
mircea_popescu: "the sample is small and not much to be said" is after all statistical analysis, perfectly adequate for a sample that is small and not much to be said.
cazalla: trinque, preddy sure nut meg was in some cook book alongside banana skins ( i tried both afterall)
punkman: "The vulnerability in Microsoft Font Driver could allow remote code execution if a user opens a specially crafted document or visits an untrusted webpage that contains embedded OpenType fonts. "
trinque: I chewed some baby woodrose seeds one time, was pretty weird
mats: plenty of font bugs left
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 20:51:39; mircea_popescu: if anyone cares they can click.
cazalla: trinque, i think i remembe that one and something about soaking them
trinque: and if feeling vaguely shitty and weak visuals are your thing, they're great!
trinque: "The Internet's Premier Shitlord Image Host" << wahaha
BingoBoingo: trinque: Remember it was necessary because Imgur is fat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a hackathon is actually a brilliant idea : take a bunch of kids with cs airs, strip them naked, chain them to desks and let them come out once they did something worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: i think it's been perverted in the evil clutches of ustardism tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only substituteable profession is camwhore.
BingoBoingo: Lock kids in a room, let out once two have switched kidneys
mircea_popescu: you think venetian glassblowing is defined by what they actually did, or by all the glass they could have conceivably blown
trinque: right, "weekend appz" as I said
mircea_popescu: at some point congolese witch doctor defined medicine.
mircea_popescu: and at the current point, "programmer" is EXACTLY like "etsy artefactual expert"
mircea_popescu: that's what we're trying to do here, the somewhere. imo not done yet.
mircea_popescu: this isn't going towards a meta-programmersclub thing is it ?
mircea_popescu: where is the place ? do i go to microsoft and learn how programming's done fo real by pros ?
mircea_popescu: sorry to tell you, crypts do not cunt in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i took this as far as i care to. gotta admit it's a fine if unpleasant argument
mircea_popescu: i yield the balance of my time, to the future programmers.
phf: perhaps ITA before bought by google
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 01:08:53; mircea_popescu: gernika well b,tmsr~ doesn't care what you believe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, you me and everyone else. except nobody can visit.
mircea_popescu: a profession's different from a fucking secret society yo.
trinque: asciilifeform: hell I've learned a great deal being *here*
mircea_popescu: like a wife and a whore : both sore in the cunt, yet not the same deal.
mircea_popescu: profession specifically means, "dominative of the public discourse on the topic"
mircea_popescu: for that matter, spinoza was a lens polisher by trade. his profession wasn't "philosopher". that was his hobby.
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trinque: couple more of those and I'll stop
trinque: tired of this thing going offline
trinque: long term fix is ripping out the golang thing and replacing it, meanwhile... bash hairball
trinque: alright, that sob checks his underwear via cron and restarts if need be
trinque: someone give me a shout if he disappears again
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2013 17:13:53; asciilifeform: the clockless ARM (pretty braindamaged idea, to take a classical cpu and make it clockless, but anyway) had to be designed ad hoc, avoiding industry-standard toolchains.
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mats: trinque: anything wrong with deedbot?
trinque: oh, no that's the wrong syntax
trinque: yeah, there were complaints, mistakes were made, those responsible were sacked
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decimation: asciilifeform: what is the sha256sum of your blk0009.dat?
☟︎ assbot: U.S. GAO - Defense Satellite Communications: DOD Needs Additional Information to Improve Procurements ... (
http://bit.ly/1VnmJTe )
decimation: asciilifeform: how did you attach your serial cables?
☟︎ assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00058292 = 32.0023 BTC [+]
decimation: asciilifeform: can you even buy müller gates?
☟︎ decimation: apparently he americanized it into muller
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assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 15:05:16; asciilifeform: somebody found a bug in 'blkcut' but did not follow up re: replicating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00058292 = 16.0012 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 02:39:11; decimation: asciilifeform: what is the sha256sum of your blk0009.dat?
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 02:54:24; decimation: asciilifeform: can you even buy müller gates?
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 02:47:26; decimation: asciilifeform: how did you attach your serial cables?
decimation: yeah obviously soldered, did you find pads broken out somewhere?
decimation: is it a 'spi' or 'rs-232 low voltage' bus?
decimation: it's weird how divergence seems to happen in blk0009.dat - deserves further investigation with block dumper
decimation: yeah, seems pretty stanard in industry
danielpbarron: welp i'm retarded; file permissions was the problem
danielpbarron: Extracting block #188528 in archive blk0001.dat : 244995 bytes << blk0001.dat ends here
danielpbarron: Extracting block #3366 in archive blk0019.dat : 999986 bytes
decimation: ipp = intel performance primatives? makes no sense
decimation: actually it's quite impressive they have stuffed this much capability into humble stick
decimation: asciilifeform: there's probably no hope of resurrecting the original distro source?
decimation: mali kinda became famous with the wondering muslimtude
decimation: might as well turn off framebuffer, can't spare 60meg
decimation: the intresting question is - are the the hardware doodads supported in vanilla kernel
decimation: unfortunately 1001 flavors of 'android'
decimation: probably less than a few hundred ma then
decimation: interesting, would be useful as a 'internet of things' device
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decimation: asciilifeform: have you used a markup format for directed graphs?
decimation: seems like 'dot' is the defacto standard
decimation: I wonder if that kernel boot line is some kind of device map? maybe allocating the gpu mem?
decimation: and that alsa line is interesting - I wonder if that is to drive the audio on the hdmi port or if there is actual analog audio
decimation: can you find the rom device? might be able to make it puke through serial port
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danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.diana_coman.1:eda77f1600ad140a749e385a9f6eb53436d7c3487db0039bf0cf85840a907f25
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for diana_coman with note: fellow Eulorian; knows her way around a samovar
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decimation: asciilifeform: according to datasheet, it has rtc? but it needs 32.678khz crystal (and power)
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BingoBoingo: Fuck it. I spent all of this time syncing with the CVS tree. I'm compiling this bitch.
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trinque: cannot get to it from here
trinque: and couldn't from another, distant IP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00055919 = 4.4735 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 02:36:12; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, phf, Adlai, gabriel_laddel: still curious about deploying CL code to running instances
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gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 280.11, Best ask: 280.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 280.15, 24 hour volume: 10999.12117073, 24 hour low: 277.0, 24 hour high: 282.1, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 29.26357267 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 5 satoshi per share
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 01:35:44; *: asciilifeform wonders if anyone has carried out any serious public work whatsoever re: mempool tx propagation
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 01:56:22; *: asciilifeform sits and thinks, wondering whether anyone has produced clockless (muller gate) miner
mircea_popescu: so i really like the stuff mats put in there, going to keep it open till friday and then award it. if anyone objects or wants to comment or w/e speak out.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 10:55:19; mircea_popescu: so i really like the stuff mats put in there, going to keep it open till friday and then award it. if anyone objects or wants to comment or w/e speak out.
mircea_popescu: users by lines, last 7 days 1.) assbot 1151 2.) mircea_popescu 1111 3.) asciilifeform 1087 << the closest it's been!
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BingoBoingo took advantage of this Qntra downtime to update OpenBSD to 5.7 release and then compile/install 5.7 stable
BingoBoingo: " Error 1000 Ray ID: 209672bca5fe260a • 2015-07-21 11:08:29 UTC "
BingoBoingo: "You've requested a page on a website (qntra.net) that is on the CloudFlare network. Unfortunately, it is resolving to an IP address that is creating a conflict within CloudFlare's system."
mircea_popescu: apparently there doesn't exist ANYTHING on the internet that doesn't use cloudflare.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and then im supposed to not suspect usg is out there ddosing everything.
shinohai: @ BingoBoingo you *still* getting attacked?
mircea_popescu: well not counting the 20gbps oct spike and the 15gbps june spike o.O
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Most of last week actually wasn't so bad, at least 8 hours of availability a day. This weekend though
shinohai: Hmmm....someone needs a hobby.
mircea_popescu: eh nm, wtf am i asking. for the internet to be useful, i must be from the past.
BingoBoingo: And the BW usage has no correlation at all with the quantcast stats
BingoBoingo: Of course, because the internet is retarded to the point "usage" numbers can't at all relate to the actual use of a thing by persons.
BingoBoingo: Ones who read. USG department of internet says that no. Bandwidth usage must never correlate with actual readership. So packet inflation.
mircea_popescu: neways. i'd much rather debug this than move, so your patience's appreciated.
mircea_popescu: also if you have burning articles, i can arrange for it to be visible selectively so you can make archive prints
BingoBoingo: Keep debugging. Thankfully nothing too burning is in queue at the moment.
shinohai: actual IP>>> coinbase.com 107.21.102.138 UNITED STATES
chetty: lmao right outside dc even
shinohai: SO important that too < 10 minutes to find.
mircea_popescu: so random schmuck today finds himself in the following situation : if he goes anywhere, taking uber, all his travel is in usg db.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if he visits any website, both amazon and cloudflare have records, which can even be compared. how's that for ECC asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: obviously if he pays anyone anything that's tracked. and in his dumbass case, this includes bitcoin
mircea_popescu: which he buys via amazon instance > cloudflare and he spends via amazon instance > cloudflare.
chetty: given the latest revelations that stuss is almost at the noise level
mircea_popescu: might as well use fucking visa rather than all this wastage.
mircea_popescu: then when i say bitcoin is not for the poor, people are liek o noes.
mircea_popescu: of course the proper node is "why should us resident derp have any money whatsoever", which obviously he shouldn't. disposable income belongs to the sort of people who think about the world, usian maggots really have no busienss holding any money whatsoever.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and if he doesn, the end result is "supersized beverages" and "britney spears, best singer ever"
☟︎ shinohai: /icons/ lists directory contents, tsk tsk
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00056682 = 10.7696 BTC [+]
shinohai: A bunch of old shit i guess, i dunno. I was peeking about trying to find where they keep shit.
mircea_popescu: "Proprietary code decays and devteams of proprietary code decay even faster. Just look at Google."
mats: traded ma two SSDs in for pcie SSDs
mats: striped reads at 4GB/s with two 'SM951'
nubbins`: oh look, courts circus finally getting resolved
nubbins`: and almost 27btc in the pot! will be interesting to see how it's sliced up
nubbins`: say, i'm sure someone here would know: what's the smallest amount of btc i can send to each of ~6,000 addresses in a single tx and expect to get it relayed?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15164 @ 0.00055438 = 8.4066 BTC [-]
decimation: " "The Smithsonian receives 70 percent of its appropriations from the federal government and that amount covers staff salaries, building support and maintenance, and not much more" said Lewis. "It has been a very long time since we have been able to use the appropriations for programming, exhibits and special projects.""
decimation: ^ usg should raise all its money this way, voluntary taxes: "Funding the $1e9 joint strike fighter: at the $1e7 level:recieve turd hand-polished to the same specifications as the canopy"
decimation: "Check out this clip from “CBS Saturday Morning” to see how the team digitizes everything from the Spirit of St. Louis to a sitting American president." < tele-dildonics?
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 05:17:35; decimation: asciilifeform: according to datasheet, it has rtc? but it needs 32.678khz crystal (and power)
decimation: yeah probably, not gonna happen for such a cheap board
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:13:08; mircea_popescu: apparently there doesn't exist ANYTHING on the internet that doesn't use cloudflare.
decimation: spam -> gmail; ddos -> cloudflare,aws ec2
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:40:52; mircea_popescu: so random schmuck today finds himself in the following situation : if he goes anywhere, taking uber, all his travel is in usg db.
decimation: or drive anywhere with a license plate
decimation: asciilifeform: I think you can just buy them from visa, amex, etc
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:48:18; mircea_popescu: of course the proper node is "why should us resident derp have any money whatsoever", which obviously he shouldn't. disposable income belongs to the sort of people who think about the world, usian maggots really have no busienss holding any money whatsoever.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 11:49:06; mircea_popescu: and if he doesn, the end result is "supersized beverages" and "britney spears, best singer ever"
pete_dushenski: decimation: i'm assuming you caught this week's episode of econtalk ? re ^^
decimation: heh no I'm getting through my weekly dose of the french revolution
pete_dushenski: i dun think russ does donations other than those from stanford directly
decimation: yeah. the revolutions guy also did a 300 episode 'history of rome', he's pretty good for amateur historian
decimation: yeah, but he goes into pretty deep detail. he's 44 episodes into the french revolution
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, carlin's death throes of the republic is mega-recommended.
pete_dushenski: listened to it back in 2013. carlin is pretty masterful at bringing political and war stories to life.
decimation: asciilifeform: I see a pretty direct route from nazis -> baathists -> isis
decimation: the only reason anyone gives two shits about greece is because of the precedent it would set for spain, italy, other countries that matter
pete_dushenski: a precedent's only a precedent if two things are comparable.
pete_dushenski: what, just because they're all on the mediterranean, apples are oranges now ?
pete_dushenski: italy, spain, and portugal suck in their own way, but their not career criminals like the greeks are.
decimation: it is nuts, but it's kinda what happens when you are pretending that the 'eu' exists
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: where were greece's foreign colonies in the last millennia ?
punkman: pete_dushenski: not career criminals in italy and spain?
pete_dushenski: punkman: under eu 'phree bezzle if you sign here', sure, but that's relatively recent.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless scrapyard is 'pick n' pull', in which case it's not just the raw materials that's priced out, but the actual functional parts extant
pete_dushenski: "Greece is very much oligarch-ridden" << because i'm sure greece would be in an EVEN BETTER financial position if only the power were returned to the puddles of mud who voted 'oxi'.
pete_dushenski: that's for the shake-out to determine, not top-down authorities.
decimation: the 'eu' was a funding vehicle to give all the poor idiots money to buy german/french/uk goods
pete_dushenski: italy still has production capabilities - cars, clothes, bicycles, etc.
decimation: now germany/france/uk are whining that they are being crushed by the debts they lent to these idiots so they could spend on their exports
pete_dushenski: i don't recall seeing a 'made in greece' tag recently, if ever.
decimation: the only part of italy that isn't orc-land is the po river valley
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: agreed. i'm not of the opinion that usistan doesn't have useful shards.
punkman: pete_dushenski: oh last couple years there's little greek flags on a myrida of products
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: eh, not like factory workers need so much to eat. hungry people work.
punkman: half of it still's made in china of course
punkman: pete_dushenski: usually accompanied by derpy slogans
punkman: "buy greek, support the economy"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: when grandfather was in prison, yes - hungry - which is why he still won't eat soup to this day.
pete_dushenski: but today's hungry have no such option, from whence comes the idea that bitcoin wasn't discovered ?
pete_dushenski: i dun see that the group has much recourse against the capitalist.
pete_dushenski: you make it sound like we need them, when in point of fact it's the converse that's truer.
pete_dushenski: why any -person- would bother with greece is beyond me.
pete_dushenski: eu of course isn't a -person-, it's a ponzi scheme with 'dignity' that has to save face.
pete_dushenski: at the same time, i can see why a -person- would bother with italy : architecture, stronger remnants of culture, art, (albeit modest) production capability, some measure of refinement here and there.
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phf: pete_dushenski: i think that's american bias. as a eurpn i feel the same about greece as you do about itality, though they both are failed states and third world economies
funkenstein_: olympus massif is beautiful, worth a visit for that summit alone
pete_dushenski: phf: both failed states ? sure. the point isn't that their governments suck merkel's balls, of course they do, the point is that one of them is usable for spare parts, the other isn't.
phf: pete_dushenski: right, and that's what i'm saying is american bias. italy is popularized here because of all the italians, while greece is sometimes vaguely remembered
phf: sorry, "here" in the states
pete_dushenski: aha. well i'm in canada but it's largely the same 'culture'.
phf: russian (and european) literature borrows from greeks as much as it did from italians. i grew up intimately knowing greek mythos and not just from watching Hercules on tv, because you can't read a single russian novel without some greek allusion or outright a direct reference. when i went there i knew places from before even seeing them
pete_dushenski: well, eastern half of the roman empire 'went greek,' infecting eastern europe and up into russia, so that'd make sense.
pete_dushenski: and i'm not saying that the greeks haven't been influential intellectually
pete_dushenski: even if they did just bring egyptian and abrahamic philosophy to the northern mediterranean
pete_dushenski: the spanish, italians, and portuguese were relevant and productive as recently as a century ago.
pete_dushenski: less time for decay, more pieces left to rebuild with.
pete_dushenski: leave that smashed-up merc for 200 years in the scrapyard and it'll be rust dust.
phf: pete_dushenski: i'm not in a position to save any one country. if i were putin, i'd buy greece, move greeks off some of the islands, and recreate greek drama with imported nubile slavs, but
☟︎ nubbins`: <+punkman> depends on fee/age/etc << gimme some numbers here! oldest coins i have handy access to haven't moved since sept 2014
pete_dushenski: find the banged-up merc 200 -days- after the accident and maybe you find yourself a new alternator, or maybe the glass is all intact and salvageable.
phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization"
☟︎☟︎ nubbins`: reason i'm wondering this is that it came up the other day
nubbins`: nobody's spammed all of the casascius coins yet
funkenstein_: spamming an address doesn't change the age of the UTXOs already there
nubbins`: sending spam/dust to a casascius coin's address is like spraying indelible graffiti on it
nubbins`: i've passed up on coins because the addresses had extra funds sent to em
pete_dushenski: phf: sure it's sentimental, but sparta didn't invade troy for a woman, greece is being propped up because the eu doesn't want to admit FAILURE and suck Putin's and b-a's cock to compensate.
pete_dushenski: because maybe papering over your problems with more and more layers of paper will eventually create a cast of 'stability'
pete_dushenski: like greece is a broken arm, instead of the broken head it is.
phf: pete_dushenski: i vaguelly agree with that, but i'd say that's sop opinion here.
pete_dushenski: and the opinions of the educated are to be discounted because the media has a bridge to sell you ?
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phf: i don't know if the whole greece situation is a failure though. that /eu/ failed was obvious by 2005 or so. now germans seem to be doing exactly what they want to, that is refine their control over various parts of europe. next it's bailouts for italy, spain, etc. where wehrmacht failed, bundestag succeeds
pete_dushenski: you can't have the eu failing and the bundestag succeeding at the same time. they're one and the same.
pete_dushenski: if you're saying that the eu is failed/failing, which i happen to agree with, then by extension so has their monetary union and the german attempts at 'peaceful' unification of europe.
pete_dushenski: which, had the internet not come along and fucked shit up quite so badly, might've even worked.
phf: pete_dushenski: that i don't know. i was under the impression that germany came out stand as an independent economic power. with that assumption i don't see german bailout as any different as putin buying the place. with bailout the power lines are all obscured, because the purchase is done within an existing political framework so is not blatant.
phf: putin be like "oh, so we're buying this shit? i got caash." and germany is like "no no, sshh, we're HELPING, mommy knows best, shoo"
pete_dushenski: the latest 'bailout conditions' do seem to indicate that greece's public amenities are being turned over to private/eu concerns.
pete_dushenski: sorta first-come-first-serve in that sense, and germany beat russia to the punch
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mircea_popescu: "The formula for inertia is p=mv where p is inertia, m is mass and v is velocity." ahaha where did they find this fuckwit
mircea_popescu: "let's call things thing because it's the internet of things and conviction's more important than a clue!"
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pete_dushenski: "“Given our focus on Falcon 9, we’ve de-prioritized Falcon Heavy to probably launch in the spring next year, maybe April or so,” SpaceX chief executive Elon Musk told reporters Monday."
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 14:25:35; pete_dushenski: greece has been at this game since plato, neh ?
mircea_popescu: ask the barbarians who can fuck more soldiers than a roman matron
mircea_popescu: for the record : p is impulse. the definition of inertia is m = F/a, where m is inertia[l mass].
pete_dushenski: not saying 'italy' isn't a modern construct, more that what lies within its currently defined borders just so happens, perhaps by chance, perhaps not, to include more valuable 'parts' than greece does.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this may reflect your own mind more than the ground.
mircea_popescu: yes. no difference in leechdom between italy and greece. they're exactly the same sort of zoo park. ex civilisaiton, plox baksheesh that's visible at giza
decimation: I would wager that nearly all products you think of as 'coming from italy' are made north of florence
mircea_popescu: and the short, brown, dumbass current inhabitants have as much to do with the slender, white, original builders of the monuments as your egyptian arabs have to do with the egyptians.
mircea_popescu: go to the museum, look at the statues, then look at the people milling around them.
pete_dushenski: decimation: then that's the part, north of florence, worth the bother !
decimation: north of verona most people speak german
decimation: suedtirol was under active insurgancy only a few years ago
decimation: ... my mother tongue so I show them this card. It drives me mad. I call this linguistic imperialism."
decimation: why do they get to have their 'own identity'? > "Bolzano has Italy's highest GDP per capita, according to figures from Italy's National Statistics Office. Locals move around on bikes even when it rains and are proud of showing-off to the world Ötzi the Iceman, a mummy found in the glaciers close to Austria."
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mircea_popescu: Of course, this took a terrible toll on society. Here is what Putin had to say on the subject of “red terror”: “Think of the hostages who were shot during the civil war, the destruction of entire social strata—the clergy, the prosperous peasants, the Cossacks. Such tragedies have recurred more than once during the history of mankind. And it always happened when initially attractive but ultimately empty ideals w
mircea_popescu: ere raised above the main value—the value of human life, above the rights and liberties of man. For our country this is especially tragic, because the scale was colossal. Thousands, millions of people were destroyed, sent to concentration camps, shot, tortured to death. And these were primarily people who had their own opinions, who weren't afraid to voice them. These were the most effective people—the flower of th
mircea_popescu: e nation. Even after many years we feel the effect of this tragedy on ourselves. We must do a great deal to make sure that this is never forgotten.”
mircea_popescu: Given that the price is so high, perhaps it would be better after all if we just sat quietly, allowed the rich get richer as the poor get poorer, watched listlessly as the environment got completely destroyed by capitalist industrialists in blind pursuit of profit, and eventually curled up, kissed our sweet asses good-bye and died?
mircea_popescu: somehow orlov doesn't feel compelled to go "check out schmuckin, going over to the euro tune of human rights"
mircea_popescu: not because it wouldn't be consistent with the piece so far, and with his verbiage so far. but why then ?
mircea_popescu: fucking russian inferiority complex. "oh, europe is doing something stupid ? we will do THE SAME STUPID THING IN OUR OWN WAY!!11"
mircea_popescu: let's make a russian union run by russian bureaucrats with the capital at ruxelles!
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mircea_popescu: from what i hear putin's been asked this a lot by the various oligarchs
mircea_popescu: "2. Start printing Euros without authorization from the European Central bank. When accused of forgery, make the forgery harder to detect by changing the letter at the front of the serial number from Y (for Greece) to X (for Germany)." << ahaha gawd.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "o herp, we are flooding europe with fake euros. can you break a 500 ???"
mircea_popescu: somehow the "i am not a revolutionary, here are my opinions on how that works" does not give him any pause whatsoever. "i'm a virgin, here's some songs about fucking i wrote". because why ?
mircea_popescu: rotten fucking pseudo-civilisation of nothing. let's commentate commentary!
pete_dushenski: lol. y'know, just in case any actual revolutionaries are reading orlov and needing fatherly advice from someone with no skin in the game.
assbot: mongo-java-driver/ConnectionStatus.java at 1d2e6faa80aeb5287a26d0348f18f4b51d566759 · mongodb/mongo-java-driver · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1JuVzAY )
pete_dushenski: because being raised by charlatanic economists and the like have trained idjits to seek advice from tards with 'no conflicts of interest'
mircea_popescu: that's EXACTLY what actual revolutionaries are thinking right now. "i wonder if there's some schmuck on a google blog with opinions. let me check!"
pete_dushenski: "oh, you think i should buy $goog even though you wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole ? ok !"
pete_dushenski: speaking of which, how comes the commodity ticker widget, kakobrekla ?
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 14:39:00; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you think 'hungry people work' - let me guess - because your grandfather was hungry, and worked. today's 'hungry' will not work. not while they have option of eating you and i
mircea_popescu: i know from directly verified experimental fact that properly chained and beaten they DO work. the spark to work and be smart and everything's not lost.
mircea_popescu: now, will large herds of worthless schmucks be turnable into an actual population ? i grant it seems dubious.
mircea_popescu: and who's gonna bother with training them individually.
mircea_popescu: but then again - shoot all the males, keep the females under 20ish that suck it enthusiastically has always been the procedure
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 14:46:29; pete_dushenski: at the same time, i can see why a -person- would bother with italy : architecture, stronger remnants of culture, art, (albeit modest) production capability, some measure of refinement here and there.
mats: mircea_popescu: a technique for preventing resource exhaustion in a weird place
mircea_popescu: (yes, most of the ruins of roman antiquity are in turkey, not europe)
pete_dushenski: and there's no shortage of production capability in turkey atm.
pete_dushenski: too bad germany let the istanbul slip through their fingers a decade ago.
phf: berzin managed to succeed where multiple generation of tzar bureaucrats failed developing natural resource on the kolyma peninsula by taking a scientific approach to the whole idea of "hungry people work"
☟︎ pete_dushenski: "Apple Inc said it is experiencing some issues with its App Store, Apple Music, iTunes Store and some other services. The company did not provide details but said only some users were affected." << qntra not alone.
mod6: so last 24 hours or so I've been working on getting an automated testing framework setup for this forthcoming release. I've got one scenario working (simple one). Here's what it kinda looks like - although this isn't the entire code, there is a module I left out for now.
http://dpaste.com/32GZH0A.txt mod6: With some effort up front I might be able to automate the ~20 or so scenarios that i've sketched out for the release. Could save all of us a lot of time by installing/emerging a few things on gentoo and then just running these tests instead of having to do all the testing manually.
mod6: We'll see where it goes and if I run into too many problems.
mod6: But as far as cucumber, even if I have issues with the steps (so far it's been very easy), if I write out the scenarios in the feature, it should be a decent testing guide in itself.
mod6: Of course, there will actually be a separate, more formal testing guide that I'll create also.
mod6: Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: When I do get around to drafting up all of the scenarios, I'll put that in here as well, maybe you guys can think of other tests that I hvaen't thought of yet. Or edge cases. etc.
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ascii_field: the 'let's make the backbone lose bitcoin packetz' thing is also back
ascii_field: (or rather, to be more specific, appears to be active on the corner of the net where the latte resides)
ascii_field: same deal as was tested on mircea_popescu's node last month
ascii_field: eventually peers mark node as 'misbehaving' and killfile it
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 16:46:50; phf: berzin managed to succeed where multiple generation of tzar bureaucrats failed developing natural resource on the kolyma peninsula by taking a scientific approach to the whole idea of "hungry people work"
ascii_field: disconnecting node 147.87.116.160:42162 socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
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assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:03:08; phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization"
phf: re situation of greece, i think i missed that one somehow
phf:
https://vimeo.com/25479104 has some shots of butugychag around 24:05, though the whole documentary is interesting, done by a shalamov fan in early 90s
mod6: ascii_field: what's your best block height?
mod6: your node that you were speaking about ^
ascii_field: 365587 - three blocks away from where it was turned on
ascii_field: it gets thousands of these 'silent' connection attempts
ascii_field: every hour or two - manages to snarf a block, yes
mod6: but not enough to keep up then obv.
ascii_field: then falls back into these 'socket closed'
ascii_field: the bitcoind AND the os are bitwise-identical to those of another node presently running happily.
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ben_vulpes: in other news, my stator has caught up with the net at large
trinque: anybody ever tried building against libressl yet?
trinque: I noticed it was forked from the version of openssl in use
trinque: neat, I tried too, ran into some issue, but was going to try again
trinque: so I'll continue on fiddling with it
ascii_field: in quite other news, i found a simple and software-only means of reading and writing the nand fw of 'miracast'
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assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:40:38; ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost fails to compile << i actually ran into this when hacking against solrodar's clang + graphviz callgraph thinger
solrodar: as well as generating the call graph, I was able to actually build bitcoind against that version, though I didn't test it
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assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:01:01; asciilifeform: 'you totalled it'
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:02:22; phf: pete_dushenski: i'm not in a position to save any one country. if i were putin, i'd buy greece, move greeks off some of the islands, and recreate greek drama with imported nubile slavs, but
assbot: The logical impossibility, and the moral untenability, of forgiveness on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1CO9OE6 )
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 15:03:08; phf: what i'm saying is that i wouldn't be surprised if some large number of europeans are focusing on greeks for purely sentimental reasons. "bedrock of civilization"
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 17:10:58; mod6: Why perl? Because I'm not good with python, and ruby well, lol.
assbot: Logged on 21-07-2015 17:31:20; ascii_field: disconnecting node 147.87.116.160:42162 socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0
☟︎ ascii_field: mircea_popescu: both ends look quite alike
ascii_field: socket opens, but packets drown in the bermuda triangle
mircea_popescu: it often happens for very complex systems to behave in highly consistent ways with a clearly identifiable beneficiary all by themselves.
mircea_popescu: this is how the us budget is constructed, at any rate.
ascii_field: i warned that the buggerz will do exactly this
mircea_popescu: yeah. but warning there's gonna be an eclypse is not quite the same as watching the eclypse over a beer, out on a terrace.
mircea_popescu: hello public. look at all the things that aren't happening!
mircea_popescu: and also have perfectly simple and so forth explanations and etc.
phf: mircea_popescu: moscow
phf: no, not anymore, not for a while actually, but not as long as ascii seems like. i live in philadelphia and about 1/3 of time in dc
trinque: ben_vulpes: you guys going to oscon?
phf: my moscow is gone anyway, 90ые are over, so it's all aparatchiks tightening the screws. and i don't know anyone "on the pipeline"
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so i wanted to know what supports this hypothesis << Generally before crushing trash car's is held for some time and parts sold to mechanics who then sell to their customers for half price of "new" stock
BingoBoingo: <trinque> anybody ever tried building against libressl yet? << LibreSSL 2.0 fully synced in wild, LibreSSL 2.1 Kept up as of this morning will probably try a full sync eventually
☟︎☟︎ BingoBoingo: Turns out it only takes about 5 hours on this machine with a puny mobile processor to compile Kernel, Userland, and Xenocara in order to upgrade from release to -stable as well
trinque: not bad; I continue to see parallels between gentoo and openbsd usage patterns
trinque tries a tcpkill on deedbot's irc
BingoBoingo: processor is amd e350 so takes ~25-33% CPU utilization around the clock just keeping up with Bitcoin when sync'd
trinque: hm, so why would this thing still think it's connected on the other end?
trinque: unix has its warts, but the things you can cobble together with the pipe...
trinque: one more try, then I'll call it good
ascii_field: qntra points to a very quick-loading 404 now
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Can we get that window to post and archive soon?
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu can haz a pcap dump of the ddos packets plz ?
ascii_field: ^^^ anyone who has time to carry on in this pattern, is encouraged.
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decimation: asciilifeform: did you already have those datasheets I linked last night?
decimation: also some amusing reading:
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/coroutines.html " One of the particular problems that often comes up is this: if you have a piece of code producing data, and another piece of code consuming it, which should be the caller and which should be the callee? ... In The Art of Computer Programming, Donald Knuth presents a solution to this sort of problem. His answer is to throw away the stack ...
decimation: ... concept completely. Stop thinking of one process as the caller and the other as the callee, and start thinking of them as cooperating equals. ... This is very nice in theory, but in practice you can only do it in assembly language, because no commonly used high level language supports the coroutine call primitive. Languages like C depend utterly on their stack-based structure, so whenever control passes from any function to ...
decimation: ... any other, one must be the caller and the other must be the callee. So if you want to write portable code, this technique is at least as impractical as the Unix pipe solution. "
decimation: in other words, the bedrock is shaping 'what is possible'
☟︎ Adlai: bedrock my ass, the bedrock is assembly language on a 2(or more)-core system... what shapes possibilities is the crappy foundation sunk into the quicksand sludge on top of the rock
Adlai: gradually modern "languages" (glorified syntax processors) are waking up to the reality recognized decades ago
Adlai: doesn't mean that reality didn't exist in the terim
trinque: maybe I'm an idiot, but you can do coroutine patterns in many high level languages
trinque: perhaps not as efficiently as someone thinking about hardware wants
trinque: actually that one uses asm