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mjr_: tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now
mjr_: tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede
mjr_: that is a difference
mjr_: have you heard of multisig? it was not enabled, now it is
mjr_: BUT still available to be used
mjr_: i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck
mjr_: does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home?
mjr_: and then they didn't
mjr_: that is like saying bankrupt companies never existed
mjr_: so I notice a difference
mjr_: ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my tv sets
mjr_: but you also say that no, no features are removed?
mjr_: you agree that it narrowed, that some features were removed
mjr_: but that isn't to say that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added
mjr_: and perhaps they never will
mjr_: you can say that the core features that you find useful have not changed
mjr_: so to say that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong
mjr_: and there are certain things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before
mjr_: ...bitcoin addresses are actually meaningfully different from IP addresses
mjr_: i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011
mjr_: and you can runn a diff on the code if you want
mjr_: i can refer you to the latest release notes if you like
mjr_: instead of ip addresses
mjr_: so bitcoin addresses
mjr_: perhaps that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything they can invent IF it is useful enough to be adopted
mjr_: there is no need to launch an alt
mjr_: if the idea behind an alt was so good, the market would have selected it to be included in bitcoin already
mjr_: and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point
mjr_: markets are the most efficient way to get to optimum
mjr_: what are the miners running?
mjr_: which is why, IF it needs to change, it will change
mjr_: not some guy at a foundation
mjr_: the market decides how and when and in what ways bitcoin changes
mjr_: that is exactly my point
mjr_: he can't change things by fiat, the market rules what he does
mjr_: even though the creator has stated he wants people to move to 3
mjr_: the creator wants them to use python 3
mjr_: that is 100% academic
mjr_: and that right now is based on who makes the most convincing argument
mjr_: the only question is WHICH changes
mjr_: i don't think we have this calcification that you point to
mjr_: considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months
mjr_: and once people start hurting in the wallet, they move quick
mjr_: this is not academic, like python 3 vs python 2
mjr_: so, if things need to change, they change
mjr_: oh...the market responded and they capped themselves at 40
mjr_: bitcoin failed right?
mjr_: so when that pool got over 51%
mjr_: either way, people vote with their mining power
mjr_: not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity?
mjr_: as in a background process?
mjr_: don't want to get into religion
mjr_: so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate
mjr_: bitcoind has to follow
mjr_: if bitcoinj btcd etc decide to do it
mjr_: there are more than 1 implementation
mjr_: hmmm, if all miners want it, it happens
mjr_: if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mjr_: IF the idea was good, you wouldn't need to launch an alt
mjr_: that is my point mircea_popescu
mjr_: so the only rationale is that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want to give away the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego"
mjr_: but you wouldn't be able to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you
mjr_: it would make it into bitcoin
mjr_: what i meant is that IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea
mjr_: but i get your point
mjr_: that is not a good idea
mjr_: i want to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell
mjr_: that is what i meant
mjr_: nubbins`: thanks for the tip
mjr_: ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute
mjr_: if you care about your idea, and your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin
mjr_: You can't short the alts, because there is no trustworthy lender, because they are all scams...
mjr_: mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks today, you couldn't in the 90's tech bubble.
mjr_: mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so
mjr_: personally, i think that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin...
mjr_: asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while...
mjr_: ok, i reread the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence the name DERP)
mjr_: almost impossible to short, because stocks are hard to find
mjr_: the altcoin market is very much like the tech bubble in the 90's...
mjr_: not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it
mjr_: i LOL'd so hard at Stellar...