asciilifeform: there is space in botnetdom between 'garage' and 'rayon plant'.
asciilifeform: costs 0 if you already-have-with-what.
asciilifeform: imho both are 'part of balanced diet'
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu -- that the slug reinflates !11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu tends to approach from the (very practical) angle of 'cutting heads here and now', asciilifeform tends to approach from angle of 'how to permanently salt the slug'
asciilifeform: attempts to secure tcp are duct tape.
asciilifeform: this imho is why there is moar at stake than only a mechanized hawalatron.
asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker'☟︎
asciilifeform: the damage is not in the mutated frogs, or the two dozen dead firemen, no.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: every popped reactor emboldens several ~generations~ of idiots who LET'S BURN COW SHIT! ANYTHING BUT fission!
asciilifeform: hence why we have 1 mircea_popescu , and not 2 or 3.☟︎
asciilifeform: folx with ~actual~ wealth (vs, say, usg payola, a la sv derps) tend to be ~very~ risk-averse when it comes to storage.
asciilifeform: it could quite easily go to where the lisp machine went.
asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: (and on the edges of the graph, you're stuck talking to heathens unless mining were somehow brought into the fold)
asciilifeform: for so long as the nodes actually 'serve all-comers', they can be enumerated.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'not having a list' is not a pill against enumeration, considering how bitcoin is fundamentally a 'promiscuous' syphilitic whore protocol
asciilifeform: at any given time, a few of these are ddosed.
asciilifeform: ( it is, for instance, impractical to ddos -- at least in the usual packet flood sense - 1,000 machines. or it would be the preferred form of attack against bitcoin, which it is not )
asciilifeform: if instead your box is an octopus of ip, and none of the clients have any business knowing ~all~ of the tentacles, the concept dissolves.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: ddos as a concept relies on something having a 'the ip'
asciilifeform: this went on for, iirc, a year or so, then got tired.☟︎
asciilifeform: Framedragger: in the old #bitcoin-assets days, there was a bot, that idled under (afaik still unknown) names, and would target ddostron (used vulnerable konsoomer router 'upnp' for udp amplification) at anyone who logged in without using fleanode's 'cloak' feature (i.e. had visible ip).
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'amplified udp' refers to egregiously idiotic konsoomer appliances that send N udp packets 'back in reply' in response to 1 incoming. which of course has forged return addr.
asciilifeform: (from pwned konsoomer routers and such, organized into chumpnets)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: iirc he gets multimegatonne udp-amplified spamolade regularly.
asciilifeform: the important thing is to throw tcp straight into the shitcan where it belongs.
asciilifeform: if rejecting udp spamola -- then != udp's. etc
asciilifeform: if masquerading as, e.g., dns crapola, becomes important, then can set udp's
asciilifeform: folx can use whatever protocol number they want, so long as other end knows it.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: remember, we aren't usg, don't have to STANDARDIZE FOR ALL TIME!!!111
asciilifeform: ( and skip the cost of the cpu ring switching )
asciilifeform: if i did, i'd stuff whole thing into the kernel.
asciilifeform: no i don't want to throw away what little separation linux provides.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is the raw device thread again, isnnit.
asciilifeform: ( but to make alt-udp you gotta patch the kernel. )☟︎
asciilifeform: so as to be able to make a box that silently drops garden-variety udp spamola, if any comes
asciilifeform: ideally i wouldn't use udp per se, but udp-with-altered-protocol-number, per mircea_popescu's ancient idea
asciilifeform: nothing is reserved per-packet other than the buffer where you put it (which is normally the same buffer for each incoming packet)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: on just about any reasonable unixlike, you can receive udp at the rate your nic can dish'em out
asciilifeform: ( you gotta reserve memory, for state, and cpu cycles to handle the socket )
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the problem with tcp isn't simply that enemy can insert an RST packet and make you blame your peer. (and whitelists do 0 against this.) but that it is very expensive , computationally, long before you have any idea who you're talking to.☟︎
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu check yer pm, i found your eggog.
asciilifeform: aha, sorta how '9/11 truth' came to ~mandatorily~ include 'martians did it'
asciilifeform: allows you to be here.” Chauhan says in a blog post that Spicer's comment was racially motivated. '
asciilifeform: 'A woman has posted video of herself pointedly questioning White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer while he was out shopping at a local Apple store. ... Chauhan asks Spicer how it feels to work for “a fascist” and “what can you tell me about Russia.” Spicer smiles through the encounter and repeatedly says “thank you” to Chauhan. At one point, he tells her, “such a great country that
