asciilifeform: in other lulz, somebody must've read mircea_popescu's story with the bus seats : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakyqmG9XHs

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: at any rate imho the log paste nails it, case closed.

asciilifeform: ( somebody with a node on a lan, that nothing is relying on -- try it )

asciilifeform: also i betcha you can replicate this effect by moving clock back.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^

asciilifeform: oh hm, apparently we had'em , http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp?v=makefiles#0171

asciilifeform: !!up TomServo

asciilifeform: alternatively you can write the perl script to find when your clock ran backwards, yourself.

asciilifeform: whole file.

asciilifeform: TomServo: gzip, post plx.

asciilifeform: TomServo: odd, i don't see anything re timestamps in there

asciilifeform: not so long ago i ate mircea_popescu's , what, 200G one.

asciilifeform: i dun care if it's 100G, i'll load it, promise.

asciilifeform: TomServo: do me a favour, post your entire debug.log somewhere.

asciilifeform: (or , alternatively, a catastrophically buggy timestamp printer )

asciilifeform: physically impossible without a broken clock.

asciilifeform: and contiguous internally

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these two pastes are supposed to be from same debug.log

asciilifeform: nono this is interesting

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: think for 5min.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he must've put in timestamps, at some point, iirc a few people did

asciilifeform: now, ~why~ TomServo's clock ran backwards, i do not know.

asciilifeform: hence the block rejection.

asciilifeform: at some point, time flowed backwards...

asciilifeform: how can these occur in the same debug.log if the clock were monotonic.

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : AddToBlockIndex failed

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: SetBestChain() : Reorganize failed

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=00000000000000000056 height=458053 work=85977887460798946449001158

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: Reorganize() : ConnectBlock failed

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 REORGANIZE

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:27 received block 00000000000000000056

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:27 AcceptToMemoryPool(): accepted 329a98ff2b

asciilifeform: ~~ vs ~~

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=00000000000000000056 height=458053 work=85977887460798946449001158

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 00:33:38 SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940

asciilifeform: 03/20/17 00:29:46 SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000000009f height=458050 work=85971757952375240341601331

asciilifeform: consider : ( apologies for log clutter ) :

asciilifeform: from your pastes it looks to me like your clock runs nonmonotonically !!

asciilifeform: this box runs ntp ?

asciilifeform: i think something is wrong with your clock, TomServo

asciilifeform: and how did you come up with these pastes ? shouldn't the 03/20/17 01:19:27 and 03/20/17 01:19:28 piece have appeared INSIDE the one at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632424 ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: also what patch set do you use, TomServo ? my trb doesn't have time stamps, for instance.

asciilifeform: prior to the 1st segment ? or after ?

asciilifeform: where was this

asciilifeform: TomServo: what happened when you restarted ? post the first MB or so of log after the restart.

asciilifeform: see also http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=makefiles&_i=InvalidChainFound for possible logic paths .

asciilifeform: look for the earliest mention, and also for 'Reorganize failed' and 'ConnectBlock failed', and post plz.

asciilifeform: TomServo: is the linked snippet the earliest occurrence of the string InvalidChainFound in your debug.log ?

asciilifeform: check also that the disk is not full.

asciilifeform: TomServo: is there anything peculiar about the clock on that box ?

asciilifeform: not found any such thing on either of my nodes.

asciilifeform: negative TomServo

asciilifeform: lemme check.

asciilifeform: !!up TomServo

asciilifeform: 'what the hell do you want with those old blocks, terrorist'

asciilifeform: or anything equivalent.

asciilifeform: afaik prb hasn't 'verifyall' for years nao.

asciilifeform: though there's nothing to keep crackpot alts from wrapping whatever they want around existing sigs

asciilifeform: afaik classical ecdsa doesn't 'malleate' into it

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-27#1354404 << see also. ☝︎

asciilifeform: waiwat ☟︎

asciilifeform: its ultimate purpose -- equiv. of 1990s-style key escrow.

asciilifeform: multisig is an evil

asciilifeform: trinque: it's a multilayered shit-sandwich: aside from the crackpot 'infinite number of sigs in finite sized crate' aspect entirely:

asciilifeform: iirc he's most of what's left of prb in terms of working hands, neh ☟︎

asciilifeform: who?

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in prbland, https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013766.html ☟︎

asciilifeform: also where does the 1k figure come from ? for what does a smallholder-farmer even need money. ☟︎

asciilifeform: in the form of imposed 'living expenses.'

asciilifeform: the other end of it is that the afghani has no printing press dumping usd on him by the megatonne. and if he did -- someone would collect it back , yes

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: waiwat

asciilifeform: in other lulz, ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! aaalmost all FUCKGOATS -- shipped

asciilifeform: mega-napoleon

asciilifeform: didn't he die in england, living in some nowhere ?

asciilifeform: while he was winning, aha, loved.

asciilifeform: betcha the chinese would shoot one if there even could be such a thing today.

asciilifeform: de rosas << the .ar stalin neh

asciilifeform: seems likely

asciilifeform: barbed wire , mine field, machine gun for the locals who are slow to get the message; imported slaves working inside, extracting molybdenum or whichever.

asciilifeform: the reliable pill is of course the chinese-in-africa algo

asciilifeform: aha, just like petro

asciilifeform: for so long as there's any money in usa, it is 'worth money', purely mechanically, that's how money is collected from the peons

asciilifeform: LaszloCukPaka.MadNet.sk << deserves some sort of medal for sheer orc host name. unfortunately -- dead.

asciilifeform: ( from luser pov -- price is 'exactly same', landlord simply collects the usg payola )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632315 << hard to picture that giving lusers 1k$/mo ea. would visibly nudge the pricing from lizard pov ☝︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: aka landlord payola, lol ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632301 << what's ubi ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: he got all of the rev1 units

asciilifeform: yea

asciilifeform: 1st confirmed receipt.

asciilifeform: and congrats BingoBoingo .

asciilifeform: lolneato

asciilifeform: at least pre-sobriety BingoBoingo , say, was calm.

asciilifeform: but it won't help.

asciilifeform: i could tell gabriel_laddel_p that when i was a small boy, i also wanted somebody to go straight to 'great inventing' without all thar book larnin'