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mircea_popescu: the fact remains it's trivial to run gluster/galera on 5000 boxes and have what appears 5000 independent nodes that neverthelss have all the solidity of a puppet install.
mircea_popescu: best thing you can have about a large UNSPECIFIED construct is a guess.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what i'm more and more discovering is that the legends about the internet and the facts about the network (not just the internet, network in general) are very much at odds. consider a few examples : L1 : "many eyes means better code" ; R1 : "many eyes means bikeshed effect" | L2 : "Bitcoin has many nodes" ; R2 "yeah, like less than 50." | L3 : "there's many weak consumer grade boxes out there" ; R3 : "maybe in 19 ☟︎
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if you call punching someone in the dick when they get out of control a bribe...sure
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 14:14 thestringpuller: mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other...
Framedragger: i would like to scan the whole /0 0:65535 range some time though, i'm sure there'd be quite a few ssh servers lurking behind strange ports, and quite a lot of them could be old embedded gadgets. just speculation tho
mircea_popescu: i suppose isps filter incoming for the domestic space (not out of any safety concern, just, to not sell a useful service, which is anathema in usian style economy)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record, i just tried to ssh to a few known home routers. no answer. try it yourself.
asciilifeform: is a financial crash (which was inevitable in any case; see “Ponzi scheme” above) then that is blamed on their bad choices at the polls.'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 10:05 Framedragger: asciilifeform: but have you considered that there are fewer implementations for ssh (and the better part of the ssh servers in the wild run openssh), and more implementations for all kinds of broken pgp? so it may simply be less likely to spot a badly generated ssh key.
thestringpuller: mats: nah. if it's truly believed miners are well enough gripped by the balls, it's not a big deal.
shinohai: We got a Roger Ver in the making here!
thestringpuller: mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other... ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 11:31 thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground? ☟︎
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492019 <<< bwahahaha A Riger Verified pool that will cause bigger blocks to be mined since he can't get anyone to do it xD ☝︎
Framedragger: or labour union websites but that may just cause a stroke and best to avoid stress induced fatalities
thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground? ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: but cross-checking makes sense, say if you do ssh-keyscan for a small randomized sample, nothing bad can come out of it. let me know if you want scriptz
Framedragger: asciilifeform: but have you considered that there are fewer implementations for ssh (and the better part of the ssh servers in the wild run openssh), and more implementations for all kinds of broken pgp? so it may simply be less likely to spot a badly generated ssh key. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (one - not very sexy answer - is that it was a fraud. source was published nowhere, nor anyone other than lenat exposed to it afaik)
mircea_popescu: phf anyway, it's a very reasonable way to waste one's life. it can live on a server(s), connect via chatbot, solicit payment which'll work once trinque gets it added to deedbot... it's an actual biznis.
midnightmagic: Oh, you mean he goes a little batty.
mircea_popescu: yeah, agreed, unlike cyc bs, that is a credible starting point
asciilifeform: you still need a mechanizable notion of 'succeed'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it largely did work, out of thousands of tries a few successes. machine has space for many thousands.
mircea_popescu: this is a tenuous view, historically.
asciilifeform: aha. but reckoning dun work without a position function.
mircea_popescu: nobody can look at a go set and give you a position value. nobody.
asciilifeform: he lost in a game where evaluation function fits in a few lines of c.
asciilifeform: taking for a moment the assumption that sedol ~actually~ lost --
mircea_popescu: sedol lost to a machine that doesn't even know what beans are.
asciilifeform: now we know that mircea_popescu doesn't need warez - his hdd has a knob that turns whole thing into an adder, and he simply cycles through the states until he gets a disk with the desired 1333333337 w4r3z on it.
asciilifeform: i'll sleep a bit while mircea_popescu sets the trillion parameters
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's it to test a b00k containing a SINGLE instance of the canonical 'my sister, do you still recall как Ельцин бился мордой в пол ?'
mircea_popescu: now 2 and 3 are iffy, for instance english-chemistry vs english-genre-fiction and english-trilema may be a more practical split than english vs french.
mircea_popescu: ftr, i wouldn't take cyc for anything other than a fine guide of what not to do.
asciilifeform: 'here's a REALLY BIG HAMMER. now go whack that mountain until a city comes out'
mircea_popescu: use the fact that the machine as is, runnign whatever crap it runs, can still do millions of cycles a second, and can store billions and trillions of bytes.
asciilifeform: but none of these worked worth a tinker's damn and not a single chesstron written by actual chess players ever won a serious tourney
mircea_popescu: anyway - this is a correct wiki. a proper notation engine backed by a self-training, probabilistic model of language.
mircea_popescu: that we don't have this in a box is simply because nobody wants to do any work.
mircea_popescu: THIS is what competent (not great. competent, patient, insistent) programmers + 20nm process means. that we can have this in a box.
asciilifeform: how do you intent to apply a statistical model to an element which NEVER recurrs ??
mircea_popescu: i was stuck publishing a pdf in my latest article because fuck me there's no sane ocr ;/
mircea_popescu: there doesn't exist currently any ocr package that uses a proper statistical model, and is self-trained on the text, and on all text.
mircea_popescu: when you have to correct on average 1 error per book, which is where i expect this can be taken, it's just a breeze.
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, how interested are you in the unholy art of probabilistic models ? it occurs to me that making a proper ocr would be a most respectable task, but not really for everyone.
mircea_popescu: they work a lot the fuck better than dumb ocr present currently.
asciilifeform: no srsly nobody's gonna proofread a TB of ocr.
asciilifeform: but a machine-assisted meat slave.
asciilifeform: realize that when you have more than a little meat sweat mixed in, you are no longer discussing a computer program
mircea_popescu: if proggy has no fucking idea modems don't go with macbeth a) it's not trained and b) everyone involved is fired.
mircea_popescu: there's really no reason a 100% accuracy over 1mb text ocr can't be had today.
asciilifeform: (a turd on every 8th page on avg.)
asciilifeform: incidentally djvu compressor is 'too good' and makes ocr quite a bit more difficult - it sometimes INTRODUCES typos
mircea_popescu: ocr is really a good fit for the markov chains as ai they do
asciilifeform: likewise i have a TB+ of scans here. these can exist as bitmap and naught else.
phf: mod6: there was a hosting provider guy behind the domain cock.li, was interviewed by mp, was selling a vps box access
mircea_popescu: there's a serious problem with digital handling of text, as we have it atm.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit << saw that. figured, "hey, i've got a crypt he can live in if he wants..."
mircea_popescu: trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc. ☟︎
trinque: I don't see how it's better than html shat in a folder somewhere
asciilifeform: mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit
mod6: <+trinque> sometime I could hack another field onto it; I'm not certain I like the thing (or wikis) << I don't love wikis either, but we need a place for quick docs.
mod6: you think i live in a teepee?
trinque: they're really a response to "tards can't into html"
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs. << you can come live in my basement if you're tired of paying rent. i've even got a garden. :] ☟︎
mod6: he has a van that says 'free candy'
mod6: trinque ^ up a few lines :]
mod6: trinqueis there a way to update this URL so it doesn't contain spaces? i.e.: http://wiki.deedbot.org/The%20Real%20Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Milestones in pipe wrench ownership #2: When loosening a slip fitting the pipe decides to tear instead
mircea_popescu: anyway, this paste is a point-by-point example of sinful, evil behaviour.
asciilifeform: btw ~every american outfit bigger than a hot dog stand has an in-house 'shari'.
mircea_popescu: usg agent wondering if the actual people fighting the usg are a "cointelpro style" "attack" ?
mircea_popescu: "we won't bury the corpse until nsa provides a new trough"
asciilifeform: 'It's tempting to wonder if there's some cointelpro-style attack going on. Realistically, we likely do have the attention of governments who are well-funded to attack us. But first, this really doesn't look like a cointelpro op. The complaints come from people both inside and outside the Tor community, and I know some of them. And second, in this case it really doesn't matter. It's no excuse for not taking responsibility for our acti
asciilifeform: isn't it a constant-time op ?
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't have discoverd it exists week-and-a-half after "having a solution" and buolding consensus etc
asciilifeform: not a few hundred bytes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why imho you oughta have made the 'bad' addr list a few GB.
mircea_popescu: ethereum being "smart", it's not just mempool, but also cpupool. and the "soft fork" being essentially a "enumerate badness" attempt, you still gotta check and make sure tx isn't on the verboten list. which computation you do for free, because you believe in mit, socialism and buterin. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (one of the lulziest parts - they made their criteria be < cost. in non-scamcoin-head terms, this is not unlike making a soft fork dependent on mempool being < x.)
mircea_popescu: so did most respectable people. think about it for a second.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform culture's a lie.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's not. tens of thousands of sub-parity IQ dudes do this on a regular basis.
asciilifeform: or fly a suitcase to buenos aires on own propellant.
asciilifeform: as i said, this is kinda like that time i wanted to launch a satellite.
BingoBoingo: Every pet a rifleman!
phf: you know, when there's a new опущенный alpha cuck is the one who shows him the ropes
mircea_popescu: it is a sensible assumption.
mircea_popescu: conventionally, not ALWAYS to be treated as inferior, but that's more a flavour thing than anything else.
trinque: "Behind every good woman is a devoted cuck."
asciilifeform: 'hi i heard there is a party, let me stand in the corner and snort the alcohol fume plox'
mircea_popescu: heard there's a party ?
shinohai: So it is the fault of the leavers this probablr hamplanet can't get 4,000 calories a day BingoBoingo ?
phf: Typical "remain" voter https://i.sli.mg/UQarGZ.png << this gotta be a joke
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller whether you tolerate the whores working a lot or a little dun enter into this tho.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:51 mircea_popescu: got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ?
mircea_popescu: what happened to being ashamed for being a fat fuck ffs.