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mircea_popescu: "it's not clear how bitcoin will react ?" fuck you.
a) there's nothing to react to ; b) it's fucking clear how people react to nothing.
shinohai: "The above is unverified." meaning "Just
a buncha r/btc derps spreading gossip"
mircea_popescu: it's like
a cow mewing or like
a kitten braying, you can readily see going through their productions that they... felt, something, there.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 15:32 trinque: there are so many false political assumptions embedded in them it's hard to pick
a starting place
mircea_popescu: yes, indisputably
a mole happens on the skin ; yes indisputably aunt molly's mole did in fact occur. nevertheless, irrelevant anecdote of no further import.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to phf 's thing : i frankly dun think rms/frf/etc are relevant here, not anymore than aunt molly's mole is relevant in
a discussion of dermatology.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-21 01:30 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have
a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because
mircea_popescu: Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own
a computer it's only
a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regulations and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using
a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used."
mircea_popescu: nce of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may not be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using
a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used.
mircea_popescu: the book sez : "
A parallel with human sexuality is not unwarranted here. At
a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning
a woman does so only as
a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furthera
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, there's
a difference between secrecy AS
A STATE and code sharing AS
A PROCESS.
mircea_popescu: so in general, i expect the notion of "code secrecy" to be as nonsensical today as when stallman was
a wee tyke getting started on other people's emacs.
trinque: it's
a personal matter which would be evaluated in the context of our friendship
trinque: I gave ben_vulpes an OS image
a while back, asked that he use it internally only
mircea_popescu: (also why police state is
a self-limiting failure mode)
trinque: but I don't want to sign onto
a talmudic interpretation of WoT-o-tronics, either generally or in this instance
trinque: and then people can check the logs; maybe we signed
a contract, maybe we just talked about it
trinque: phf: I see software being "shared" in such
a personal way that you should expect me to ask you directly whether I can give to my L1, whether I can post sauce on www, so on
mircea_popescu: i dunno, meteorite fell from sky, seems to work
a certain way, gotta look what it does now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i supppse maybe as
a black box item, i dunno.
phf: trinque: nah, not ~entire~ wot and not forever. but let's say i give you code under wotgpl, it means that the code has certain propagation properties within wot, and i don't have to negrate you if you abide by
a certain set of pre-discussed rules
trinque: agreeing to
a specific set of behavior within
a category *forever* is slavery.
mircea_popescu: besides the point. it's
a random byte field you didn't make, and can't verify.
phf: as
a spec to how
a node within
a wot graph is going to operate by default in relation to text
trinque: neither software nor more generally communication operates on
a flat topology; stallman's trying to cram communication into that flatland
mircea_popescu: phf i don't think stallman, for all his posturing, was muich in the philosophy department. seriously, ima have
a special right to use code ? tell you what - have the inalienable freedom to use weapons, in any manner i deem fit, such as against the us president, and to use the penis, and plates of pasta, and napkin scribblings and anything else.
phf: i'm not so much interested in "freedom" aspect of it, but as
a way to construct
a coherent position on tmsr computing
phf: well, i'm trying to see if this could use this as
a glue to tie V and stan's laws of sane computing
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's more of
a practical philosophy thing, but i see what you mean.
trinque: there are so many false political assumptions embedded in them it's hard to pick
a starting place
☟︎ phf: - The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community
a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is
a precondition for this.
phf: - The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is
a precondition for this.
mircea_popescu: the cheapest forinstance : it's not even proper to speak of "code" rather than text until and unless you've introduced
a specific difference. which is
a harder problem than it appears. "obviously" is not an answer.
mircea_popescu: 1. "this is the difference between" ; 2. "the fnargl is larger than
a butter" ; 3. "any elements larger than the elements smaller than themselves are smaller than the larger elements of some other set."
mircea_popescu: phf i'm game for
a full analysis of them if you care to state any. the problem broadly is that they're nonsense as-found.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't see
a problem with gpl per se, but i'm not going to enforce it myself.
phf: wouldn't this sort of statements of philosophical position (i don't know
a better term) still be effective among the aristoi? there's that idea that u.s. constitution was written for the privileged classes, and that you had to
a) be able to write b) own
a pen c) own
a piece of paper to participate in voting process. or would gpl still be
a bad idea if was restricted to in-wot?
mircea_popescu: there's no freedom to understand anymore than there's
a freedom to decide who fucks you.
trinque: "free to understand" for everyone is
a ticket straight to cancerous chimeric hell
mircea_popescu: i don't see value in this. what, there's
a universal right to understand ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 14:31 asciilifeform: i still say that source availability is
a red herring here
phf: one dev told me he gets sweaty palms when submitting
a pull request, and i'm like "good. gooood"
phf: obviously can't do this in
a company with HR, wreckers, etc.
phf: asciilifeform: it's always extracting uranium from sea water :D except through beatings you hopefully make
a slightly smarter sea water that start bringing greater traces of uranium
phf: well, linus gave us
a pretty good solution. sit on pull requests, and abuse people when they submit shit
thestringpuller: phf: ah. stackoverflow development. That's
a good phrase. devs tend to be lazy, so when something breaks and stackoverflow has
a solution they put they put
a bandaid over wounds that require stitches and eventually someone sane has to sit down and deturdify the mess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1) nobody of the "background and experience in management experience spawns many years" derps running ethereum built from source, or COULD build from source. i've seen enough of those lolz in eulora to have
a pretty close idea ; 2. nobody's asking you to run trinque's shit on your box, so there's
a difference here. but 1 and 2 aside, absofuckinglutely wtf. this isn't about tivoization of code.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think on the lowest level complexity actually has
a positive perceived value. "check out all the complex shit i <<handle>>". much like kids in the same age bracket / cultural space in africa laud themselves with their voodoo accomplishments.
thestringpuller: AOL thought it was
a good idea to open flood gates. voila usenet ruined over night.
mircea_popescu: what happens when you put "anyone" in your soup is you get
a soup only "anyone" would ever eat, after the fashion he eats it.
mircea_popescu: basically they've poured 100k
a head in "college education" so that thousands of them together can replicate the brain of an amphibian.
mircea_popescu: the value of open source is actually negative, it's
a wealth destruction mechanism.
mircea_popescu: well, this isn't going to go anywhere, open source is
a method to bolt shut doors of stables after horses left.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. the whole "open source/free software" delusion has gone long enough ; time to take it behind the bikeshed and put
a bullet in its brain. leaving aside the entirely misguided communist nonsense of stallman, which is already discussed int he logs, look at what open source did for ethereum, since he mentioned it.
mircea_popescu: reydev he did in fact slap it together himself ; more generally "open source" in the general, github-y, "copy/paste me but don't ever read me!" sense is not much of
a republican value. which isn't to say that you can't get at the code, but it is to say you can't expect to just find it online. if you got questions, ask teh lord in question.
reydev: ok, so one has to trust trinque in
a sense
reydev: oh yeah, was
a new WoT formed for this channel?
reydev: seems like
a missing piece to the puzzle tho...
mircea_popescu: shinohai kinda why i put this in the open, so people can come up with
a good name maybe.
☟︎ reydev: by the way is the republic planning to ever have
a standing army ^_^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's see about that. either it's not the case, in which case we now have
a us church, or it is the case, in which case we have yet another harpoon in the whale's back.
shinohai: trinque must have moved deedbot to new home, seems
a bit more responsive of late.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-30 12:51 mircea_popescu: i want you to research the legal status of
a registered church in the us, as well as the practicalities of registering one. this is
a serious project, and i expect 100s of hours spent reading up on it. gpgram me about it.
shinohai: For the purpose of getting
a designated shitting street named after Preeeeeet.
mircea_popescu: i want you to research the legal status of
a registered church in the us, as well as the practicalities of registering one. this is
a serious project, and i expect 100s of hours spent reading up on it. gpgram me about it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hey listen, your latest posts inspired me, an' now i have
a project for you.
trinque: that will be enough for
a bit