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mircea_popescu: should you do that, you'll have a directly addressable measure of wrecking : the Ps will push the TR above the level where I can finance its import needs out of the receipts for its exports.
mircea_popescu: now, the needs of I are relatively fixed ; the "needs" of P vary. should P decide that it only wants import goods, you may be tempted to create a "tourist" rate for the foreign currency
mircea_popescu: d to be able to spend it.
mircea_popescu: suppose you have the following elements : I[ndustry], producing goods whichg can be exported and needing materials and equipment to be imported ; and P[opulace], expecting to be paid a living wage (anyone's pretense to the contrary are idle, all the advanced socialist peons want or ever wanted was "cash for being here", that'\s why socialist states even exist or ever existed, to provide that, from napoleonic france onward) an
mircea_popescu: also, understand the very informative self-destructive pattern that became evident in dying su and was by all appearences well understood by "western world", judging at least by how they keep trying to apply it :
mircea_popescu: can be, yes. but in any case -- there's no such thing as blackface devaluation. blackface is ALWAYS a camp phenomenon.
asciilifeform: iirc this imaginary spirit that flies away from the wheelbarrow mark/ruble , the chinese called 'mandate of heaven'
mircea_popescu: the key ingredient for the "shovel-and-wheelbarrow" mark in germany isn't so much the paper itself, as it is the individuals who'd have traded "all of this" for "any little of that".
mircea_popescu: this is the deep issue uniting "rock and roll in the soviet union" with "malinche, lover of hernan cortes" : without a ~well connected local~ to spit on the local items, there can not be a serious devaluation of them.
mircea_popescu: unch of http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ missionaries, there can be no explosive devaluation.
mircea_popescu: moreover, currency collapse is always driven by naggum's idiots ("in order to be in a position where one must either strike or die, one must have put themselves into such a position, for instance by expecting to buy a lot of things they cou;dn't make"). the camp/blackface duality ( http://trilema.com/2017/pronouncements-on-camp/#selection-161.66-161.165 ) is very much apropos : without a "nouveau riche" class, ie, without a b
mircea_popescu: in order for something to be money it must be "at least this common" ; much like in order for locusts to swarm they must be touched at least this often by other locusts.
mircea_popescu: rather, it's a symptom of rarity. the currency function of a good depends on some contextual properties ; if there's few enough dollars in the country, the dollar bill is less money and more... artwork, say. becomes a kind of stamp.
mircea_popescu: and also : no real interdependence of price and supply. generally, when the supply increased the price also increased ; while when the supply dropped, the price also dropped.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, what else ? usa, where ideas go to die.
mircea_popescu: (anyway, for documentary lulz : once the russkis introduced a vague approximation of an interbank currency market in 1991, the volumes traded were in the 10mn range. this is ALL THE DOLLARS IN THE COUNTRY. think.)
asciilifeform: holy FUCK they turned 'rokotov & fainberg' into... a jeans brand in usa
asciilifeform: hmm is there no english ver of this anywhere..?!
asciilifeform: recall hruschev's retroactive death sentence for the gold peddlers.
mircea_popescu: (and yes it was a crime to own bitcoins for soviet citizek.)
mircea_popescu: which is why it's important to keep the influx going.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but yes, the principal reason ru had a relatively easy time in the 80s (unlike, say, 2015s argentina) is because VERY LITTLE dollars in private hands.
asciilifeform: ( internal mechanics of ruble is a tall bag of lulz about which not errything even today is known. but there were several ~independently-circulating subspecies . one of which technically existed until even 2010 or so ! )
mircea_popescu: stalin says "4:1 because 14:1 is ridiculous", that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: democracy has well documented troubles controling what people buy. soviets... hey, only state could buy anything anyway.
mircea_popescu: they had a comparatively easier time, seeing how they had much better control on trade.
asciilifeform: prolly similarly wasted hrs as gorby & friends tried to discern 'how many dollar is ruble TRULY'
mircea_popescu: consequently, some at least cursory argument could be had that the price signals are substantially enough different to not be comparable (and god only knows how many man-hours the inept "intel" services of the firm of r, t & f spent trying to discern if official ruble is .5 or 4 to 1 dollars TRULY.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one thing the soviets (all of them) did well was confound the issue. see, because "not consumer but industrial economy", various industrial goods were significantly cheaper, and all sorts of consumer goods significantly more expensive, than in "real world" of reagan thatcher and friends.
mircea_popescu: rather, a "i don't know how to write sales copy" thing.
asciilifeform: rright, the abstraction where money is a scalar and the operations commute, associate, and transpose, is a peacetime thing
mircea_popescu: it's always going to be a purely aribtrary market created by authority fiart, whether it's "write this string on your tits" or "tell me the string yulyiana has written on her tiots"
mircea_popescu: exactly like "what does dolalr buy today" ? "well, if you disperse it enough, it buys you some inept wrangling from local orcs". exctly like how $1mn does not buy you much ; but if you break it into $20 chunks you can have "marketing online" "services" from retarded university-of-maryland-criminlogy whores,
asciilifeform: ( are these to be assessed as pulp ? ...firewood ? )
mircea_popescu: ro was about 100 lei to the dollar, making the avg salary then about $30 or so. (per month, about 1/30 or so of us average salary at the time).
asciilifeform: 'exchange' is possibly wrong q tho, what's it mean to have 'exchange rate' when the local orc coin dun buy much
asciilifeform can't give a decently accurate answer, wasn't there
mircea_popescu: i doubt that. what was the black market dollar rate in 1985 moscow ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe in moar 'western' sovblok places like ro, with the 'tehnologia navigatiei cu vele' tricks. in proper su, economy was sufficiently 'demonetarized' that nothing directly comparable afaik existed.
mircea_popescu: it's how the soviets did it, isn't it ? in that brief interval between when they died and when they fell.
BingoBoingo: There's so many embassies in this city if there were shootings outside the slums they would just about have to be in front of an embassy.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 17:08 mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
asciilifeform: re upstack -- hey mircea_popescu , recall http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193376 ? i suspect that near-fyootoor usg-'regulated' 'market' will consist of 1 counter where wintel stock is dealt, where 'you can only buy' (or stand accused of 'manipulation', and another counter where bitcoin 'you can only sell' (or ditto), lol ☝︎
mircea_popescu: or the venezoelana moving up in the world.
mod6: unless he really just didn't like the guys shoes.
asciilifeform: seems like there was a specific target, tho, rather than 'embassy'
mircea_popescu: italian not mexican, sorry (they're next to each other). and yes some deds.
mod6: or just like "pop-pop, chinga tu madre."
asciilifeform: hm what's the use in shooting up an embassy
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 16:02 ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/S1lfr << methinks the lady doth protest too much
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: admittedly knowing nuffin but what i can see through my telescope, all i see in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818015 is yet another moar explicit tightening of the noose ☝︎
mircea_popescu: oh i forgot to mention -- yest as i was moving about town somebody shot up the mexican embassy here
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> mod6: Got crackling in the lungs or just a very wet nose? << got the throat tickle and the coughing is starting.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform et al, the remedy: http://qntra.net/2018/05/existence-of-big-botnet-made-from-small-routers-announced/
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "up" and "down" may not be as firmly manifest as you personally imagine. postmodernism is bizarro world, up is down, they say hello when they leave...
mircea_popescu: hey ; be that as it may it's still more than what trump managed to date.
asciilifeform: ( manipulation downward, of course, is from their pov god's work )
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 16:04 mircea_popescu suspects alf will be nothing short of thrilled to discover he now has the power to shape usg "law enforcement" policy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818018 << i'm quite certain that they will have a show trial or two for 'putin's wreckers' who 'manipulated the price upward' ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This can be handled
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the first day I felt compeltely relieved was ironically the day before I formally affiliated with a hospital here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, btw, did you actually come out of it back to health ?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Got crackling in the lungs or just a very wet nose?
ben_vulpes: btw thanks ave1
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ty
mod6: I think I caught BB's cold. :[
mircea_popescu suspects alf will be nothing short of thrilled to discover he now has the power to shape usg "law enforcement" policy. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/S1lfr << methinks the lady doth protest too much ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ty trinque
mircea_popescu: ^ very recommended btw. one of the best films ever.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/que-he-hecho-yo-para-merecer-esto/ << Trilema - Que he hecho YO para merecer esto ?
BingoBoingo: I've just been plugging in the url and bingereading
mircea_popescu: it's mostly eulora stuff to date, you can see it in #eulora
trinque: I'd be happy to add it, but spyked, how's your rss bot coming along? ☟︎
BingoBoingo would like to see Mocky blog hit the RSS
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 13:46 asciilifeform: i mean for receiving. in re the 'some emitters are counters in pivapollo and lack dough'
asciilifeform: ave1: yours is imho the best version thus far
mircea_popescu: there's technical writing and there's commercial copy writing, much like there's technical drawing and pornography. crumb (if you ever saw the footage of his interacting with his estranged son), is imo the best example of the evanescent item here under discussion : the old man ~tries~ to tell the young squirt what to do, but of course the young'un knows better.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 09:42 ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-23#1817627, I think the text is too technical. This is my try: http://ave1.org/planding.html.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1817939 << I don't think being too technical is necessarily a bad thing, but my own issue with ben_vulpes' original was that a) too 'cheesy' b) too much 'digging' to unearth the selling points. Conversely, I like how ave1's version is straight and to the point (e.g. bullet points of "why Pizarro" are front and center). Good skeleton imo ☝︎
mircea_popescu: mod6, as they gain experience linking things people learn not to put punctuation marks after the link >D
mod6: ooh, i see the problem, I clicked the link from his posting above, which my browser added the '.' on the end of the .html - this resulted in a 404.
mod6: ave1: Looks like you maybe took your attempt at the Pizarro landing page down?
mircea_popescu: you'd almost suspect, "whoa, now that's a thinking chick, best landing page ever, bet you she sells all the pot she's trying to". except, of course, no such subtility or sophistication is ever to be suspected online. she's genuinely just https://preview.ibb.co/e6azd8/hurr.jpg -ing about.
mircea_popescu: and in fetlife lulz today, https://image.ibb.co/d2Hny8/00056803_7191_0ffc_4b0a_89586b312613_958.jpg
mircea_popescu: it's pleasant to read, too.
Mocky: I enjoy it very much. It seems worthwhile i guess having something to say.
mircea_popescu: some people even like the engineer-spawned failures at commercial speech ; but seriously now, what THE FUCK do they do in highschool these days ?! the whole point of the exercise, once they gave up teaching anyone anything back in the 70s, was "you go to hs to learn how to talk to girls and businessmen".
mircea_popescu: http://ave1.org/planding.html << this is altogether not terrible. if it's not much of a landing page, at least it's clean and legible. ☟︎
Mocky: ahh, ty
mircea_popescu: bbs putting this into the lexicon.
mircea_popescu: though i like how you gave up any hope of "what does that mean, no approx" >D
a111: Logged on 2018-04-25 04:19 phf: pivo and pollo mexican russian fusion food odessa, tx
Mocky: for noobs, what does that mean, approx?
asciilifeform: ok this makes sense.
mircea_popescu: SO AS TO SAVE SPACE!@!!11
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they have an automated escrow thing, see. localbitcoins i mean. here : 1. people tender offers ; 2. you close one ; 3. they either cancel or mark it as satisfied ; 4. you check and either release payment or dispute 3.
mircea_popescu: well, nothing besides administrative overhead, of course, of course. some of these are cancelled on the spot, some end up disputed, the whole ghostly dance of inexistent items trying to pretend to existence.
mircea_popescu: nah, you lose nothing, there's a green button "release bitcoin" you don't click.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 13:28 mircea_popescu: you can expect actual payments in your hand in 1 to 2 cases out of ten tries (defining a "try" as having initiated a tx on localbitcoins -- which btw jumps randomly for unclear reasons), worth about 90% of the lulsite price.