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mircea_popescu: much like i much prefer the "i took my pills" to the "i'll be careful" female declaration.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm always open to technological solutions to replace political solutions.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there might be others, i make no pretense to exhaustivity, hence why this is a very early phase of the design. we don't well know the space yet.
mircea_popescu: also happens to be what's of interest, what with all "color of bits" eternal imperial quest.
mircea_popescu: ie, the interests of the participants are alligned in the way of the fix not in the way of the failure.
mircea_popescu: take the issue of "must have all blocks". there's a strong political incentive to supplant the technological failure.
mircea_popescu: (in case it wasn't obvious, diff between political and technological is based on whether people have an incentive to emulate the fix anyway)
mircea_popescu: well, sha-1 went, any one of the two mechanisms involved in pubkey protection weakinging any would make for an emergency incentive.
mircea_popescu: absent a good or at least workable breakthrough in this vein, there's no strong technological incentive to move to trb-i
mircea_popescu: this is what i'm saying, anyway. " what we don't really have is the stuff that we really need, such as debottlers."
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that it makes balance checks impossible.
mircea_popescu: (practically - you can only know txn y spent from address z only once the chain ends up with an address you own so you can decrypt it)
mircea_popescu: all txn are encrypted to destination. nobody knows what was mined until it is spent.
mircea_popescu: miners may not be able to choose txn on any other criteria than the fee ; nodes idem.
mircea_popescu: idiot example #2 : a trb which allows txn to be blocked by others than their issuers is ALSO a "way to do things" which doesn't in fact work, and therefore, exactly equivalent to the peter todd & prb idiots item
mircea_popescu: idiot example #1 : peter todd & prb idiots came up with "a way to do things", which does not in fact work.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you keep fixating on a completely nonsensical interpretation of the comparison.
mircea_popescu: never mind that. the problem is that if your tx being included depends on you having a miner, you don't actually have a system. just like the 3bullshit isn't a system.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the idea is to not expand the hipster doofus design principles to trb-i
mircea_popescu: it was an instance of "here's something i made that doesn't work, mommy loves me" complex.
mircea_popescu: if your idea of "i want to spend my dime" reduces to "well, have a mining farm" suddenly the whole thing's ~useless.
mircea_popescu: it's also possible to go "oh, go ahead and spend your bitcoinz lel"
mircea_popescu: again, at the time ppl cpumined on their node-miner-wallet nobody noticed the difference.
mircea_popescu: consider the case of the web, also a major application in need of a debottler. how do you know whether you connect ot the internet or to the tomcooknet ?
mircea_popescu: for all you know there's 45 different bitcoins going on right now, separated by a so-far universally permeable membrane.
mircea_popescu: "how do i know i talk to nodes that are representative ? cheaply and easily ?" for instance.
mircea_popescu: the g has a decent debottler built in ; the trb-i does not, and needs a few.
mircea_popescu: what we don't really have is the stuff that we really need, such as debottlers.
mircea_popescu: and that's also why the hope of the beta bois whining around "nrx" because "girlz be mean yo" is so well set to be disabused. more market, not less, is the future.
mircea_popescu: that's why i aim to buy the arab girls rather than convert to islam. they can keep their fucking ethnosocialism.
mircea_popescu: the pill to socialism is market. make things marketable, no further problems.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it can be priced see. if i wish to pay a ten bitcoin fee, i thereby have the right to make my tx last into the eons
mircea_popescu: anyway, no need for "desried block" and "max block" both. just the latter suffices.
mircea_popescu: wasn't so obvious back when ppl cpumined on the single windows binary
mircea_popescu: it inadvertently forces a node-miner tandem ("you don't like the mempopol, fucking mine it already")
mircea_popescu: for one thing, very poor impedance match with human thought processes.
mircea_popescu: yeah. it was you know, so clunky and unhip, at the time.
mircea_popescu: incredibly prescient choice on mod6 's part with the .seals design
mircea_popescu: trinque it's more than that. must make sure the pubkey you wrote includes nothing but itself. one modulus.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this existed historically, on say call bills etc.
mircea_popescu: trinque my concern was more in the vein of, i don't want deedbot to answer with an item crafted as described to a !!key command
mircea_popescu: which'd have required me to ~know something~ about the fake network.
mircea_popescu: if the network worked as you describe, i'd have had to choose on which network i wish to spend.
mircea_popescu: let's see. i have a bitcoin. the network forks. i spend the bitcoin. the spend is valid on both networks and thus included by both networks. in different blocks.
mircea_popescu: because the same txn was acceptable to both fork and real network.
mircea_popescu: under a bitcoin as you describe, 2015 gavincoin'd have had better chances.
mircea_popescu: see, the fact that you don't have txn as you describe is what allowed me the "you will die if you fork" threat last year : i don't have to know jack about their chain to murder their chain.
mircea_popescu: it suspiciously reinstills socialism in that it creates a very strong incentive for... all castles to... work together. because "first they came for the germans" usual bugaboo of socialist propaganda to try and dissolve the outer membranes of the individual organism's cells.
mircea_popescu: somewhat in the same way a retarded child who buys things but always ends up using them as if they were icecream doesn't thereby realise he's retarded.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618154 << it's so funny, at least to me, the sheer wastage of resources usg oligarchs engage in. they keep buying things, which they don't understand, on the expectation that "we;ll find a use for them". they do. it's ALWAYS the same one. somehow the fact that i know in advance what it'll be doesn't inform them as to their horrible strategic position.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: whether this is desirable or not is very much an open question, but it is too early yet to weigh on the matter.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the main problem, barely conveyed by the "canned tx" thing, is that if you require the user to know more than his privkey to make a txn, you make usage a higher bar than it is now.