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asciilifeform: i actually bothered to peek in the logs on that box, it gets confronted with ssl crapola handshakes from the receiver's end and evidently doesn't spit out the hitler-approved answer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure their actual objective was simply to herd the remaining folx who can't entirely get away from emailism, into the google/microshit corrals
asciilifeform: which in so far as i can tell, doesn't frag.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ain't brunei 7000km east...
asciilifeform: if BingoBoingo doesn't pull off the ransoming of the crate, it will have to happen asap
asciilifeform: ( as it is, ice40 won't even hold ~one~ 4096bit adder ! )
BingoBoingo: Can't let it happen on short wave
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> old log threads appear to have mircea_popescu with hatred of UDP, which has meanwhile dissipated ? << There was a period when reddit hadn't yet given up on marginalizing the Republic and DDoS's were pestilential.
asciilifeform: of course ddosers can send packets with your new protocol # , it doesn't make you bulletproof
Mocky: zackly. and when "doesn't" it magnifies packet loss %
Mocky: I don't see the benefit of building in a reliance on an external UDP fragment reassembly mechanism when the algo is 'all or nothing'.
Mocky: and this doesn't count pets / hirelings / mobile npc's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shouldn't take much sweat, anyffing that calls gnupatch could just as readily call phf's
mircea_popescu: we don't do shit for any other reason than because "alternatives were reviewed, this came out".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855041 << this is so, "here's a complete model" is a periodic necessity. just you know, can't complain that "not there jit when i wanted it". but yes in general, ur examples must be had, fully functional model trains must exist, etc. otherwise how to even run academia. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: dunno how many people keep that around though. i don't think it'd be a crime or anything to make a command-line keccak branch off of it, so people can just press to that if they want.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855025 << actually this is exactly >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854931 ; i saw it there then, i checked it off in my head and did not return, that or any other wednesday, to check. turns out, it got dropped. don't do that! ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: ~iron~ mixers : work. 'soft' liquishit -- surprise, surprise -- doesn't
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:57 phf: i think v.pl is a venerable tool, it's battle tested, it has established interface, it's been worked on for three years now. i don't see any reason to throw it out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855023 << moreover, i can't imagine who the fuck would make this call ~for others~. you don't like having it, by all means, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854751 ; but i am not going to say "do not use v.pl". ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : didn't )
mircea_popescu: kinda weird for a restaurant to also attempt to provide phone service for the patrons. what, they can't carry phones inside ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see why they can't do this -- independently.
mircea_popescu: i don't really want the traffic to go much over the kb/s range
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect wasn't even in '94
mircea_popescu: (and when didn't made it -- local interface dropping was the likely culprit)
mircea_popescu: and diana_coman or hanbot or who will you pick have little problem in turning over next-day keccak patches on trees, as recently put on display. i don't think they're either smarter or blesseder than you, they just have the toolset ready.
mircea_popescu: yes there's nothing wrong with people publishing toolsets ; but this can't become a fucking expectations wth. craftsman -- has toolset.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:56 asciilifeform: mod6: i dun like to discourage folx, esp. mircea_popescu's pupil, who is evidently pouring sweat into the job. but i expected the items would get better with time, and imho so far they haven't
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:50 phf: asciilifeform: you're just spreading fud, i don't know where to start unpacking this conversation
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 15:36 phf: asciilifeform: but if you want a full "v replacement and i don't want to think about none of that" then just use esthlos's item. i believe he has a working keccak already
asciilifeform: yea i can't picture for what might need variable masses in production ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 19:52 mircea_popescu: in any case shit in the logs ain't gonna to "just go away", this isn't linuslands. ignoring it is like ignoring hot coals.
mircea_popescu: in any case shit in the logs ain't gonna to "just go away", this isn't linuslands. ignoring it is like ignoring hot coals. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: keep your tools in state of good repair, you won't have to start fixing fence by fixing hammer and nails.
phf: trinque: it hasn't been, and i'm doing omission by not mentioning that vtools had a later mandate for graph resolution. meanwhile esthlos v was supposed to supposed to fix the issue, i suspect that different v's will eventually catch up.
asciilifeform: phf: i don't dispute that it is obvious, but thought it had been done, this was my mistake.
phf: i think v.pl is a venerable tool, it's battle tested, it has established interface, it's been worked on for three years now. i don't see any reason to throw it out. ☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: you're just spreading fud, i don't know where to start unpacking this conversation ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: this is not a criticism of the format. but turns out asciilifeform has been looking for a 'i missed it in logz?' piece that doesn't exist quite yet ( hopefully will in 3 days... )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron
asciilifeform: phf: try an' see from my pov : i get a 'goddamn stop using old v' , go an' uncrate the replacement, and turns out it ain't a plug-in replacement but a set of pieces and a roll of duct tape
phf: asciilifeform: but if you want a full "v replacement and i don't want to think about none of that" then just use esthlos's item. i believe he has a working keccak already ☟︎
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 14 hours and 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf)
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 14 hours and 10 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron
diana_coman: asciilifeform, np; re vtron yes, currently it is only vdiff and vpatch functionality; I use old v to see the flow (since it checks the seals but doesn't care about the hashes until press time) and then the vpatch to actually press; looking forward to esthlos' vtron ☟︎☟︎
mod6: lol, I don't know how to make it do stuff either, but I guess that's a different problem :]
mod6: Alright, I guess the makefile doesn't build the vpatch binary by default, so I built it manually:
asciilifeform: mod6: i sat down and resolved to give diana_coman the promised item, but presently loox like won't happen tonight
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i dunno, it's been a while. i don't have time to tinker with it at the moment, gearing up for month end here.
asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, and didn't shuffle correctly, or wat. phf can i persuade you to give a working recipe ??
mod6: anyway, it's been a while, so I don't know for sure, but if memory serves, I believe his vtree is incompatible with my vtron, on the whole.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf)
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick
mircea_popescu: gargauntuation day! << can't read that as simply "gargantuan" without "unction" squeezing its way in there. ewgh.
mircea_popescu: but how far this goes is breathtaking -- consider, luminaries such as tlp, at the edges arguing exactly that, "words shouldn't have power" ie http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-89.0-89.50
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i am working on piece re the necessary benefits of uniting with africa. guy in 1850s intuited quite exacrtly this, "well... animals don't need most of what interests you for anything"
asciilifeform: hanbot: and i haven't got a stable of slaves to sit down and convert'em
mircea_popescu: thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it ; it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri ☝︎
hanbot: asciilifeform perhaps this is an idiotic q, but why can't you use dir names/structures to distinguish "on sight"?
mircea_popescu: and you can't put "this is keccak" in manifest because it has to get into the manifest through being in the filename, rather than just in the comment line ?
mod6: <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes << I'm a bit confused too. I'm still using my vtron.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes
mircea_popescu: not "to rename files". as time passes, regrinds happen ; nonsensical nym-bs won't carry.
asciilifeform: gpg doesn't sign names.
mircea_popescu: if you must. it'll look retarded, esp after a time passes, but nothing regrinds won't fix anyway.
asciilifeform: i ain't about to keep arj files on my box that are actually zip eithe
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tyell you to take the insane stance ; merely the necessary result thereof.
mircea_popescu: i... don't.
mircea_popescu: yes, but dosbox can't check the mount point
mircea_popescu: and /media is so that the whole /cdrom /cdrecorder /cdfutipemata don't overwhelm /
BingoBoingo: Diplobags isn't out of the question. This place is littered with embassies.
BingoBoingo: I eat them, customs folk can't imagine that, hippos dance, the lobos marinos sing, and at some point PizarroISP the musical will resound through the Gossipd equivalent of torrents
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but you don't sell anything. you're going to eat them
BingoBoingo: But yes this is a civil law system here, and I don't see why anyone who went to a facultad de derecho ought to have any chance if I do case prep.
BingoBoingo: They have one, one person wrote it, as legal writings go it can't be an awful read
mircea_popescu: i don't expect it's expensive, no. besides, very likely will be arbitrated rather than adjudicated
mircea_popescu: which, whatever, if they don't yield fucking sue them
mircea_popescu: i understood the complaint as "apparently someone somewhere is under the impression BingoBoingo can't get 3490874389 crates shipped because there's a law about local morons being limited to 2"
mircea_popescu: maybe i misread, but that wasn't the problem ?
mod6: diana_coman has a point, aren't we supposed to grease the wheels in such a palce?
asciilifeform: 'tis a crying shame that mircea_popescu doesn't live in uy... i suspect there's a cunt somewhere who needs flaying.
asciilifeform: if we can't even get motherfucking crate of 300 $ disk mailed, will have to organize an expedition ahead of schedule.
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to guess why it'd go nowhere, i mean, a) insulting people by using their own words often works (on retards, why would it not work on people who say what they mean & mean what they say ?) and moreover b) summarization works on everything else, why'd trilema escape it and c) wtf is this strategic superiority jazz and who ever heard of the rhino-mud-birthday-gift issue. and so on
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i simply can't not quote this :
diana_coman: to recap so I don't miss anything: no counter sent in header for packets; packets will have sizes between 6 (header length so minimum) and 2048; sender will have a 1second delay between each new package sent
diana_coman: (it can be done though, if one really wants it, basically an Ada task to be repeated hourly, but I don't see the benefit to that)
mircea_popescu: yeah, i don't think we're trying to study bursts or saturation here. rather a study of the route under best conditions so to speak.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854224 << i don't think it is.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-25 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ?
phf: well, i have some idea what's going on, the binutils build is attempting to use bootstrapped gcc, which in turn can't find its own link objects, one sec on log
asciilifeform: wouldn't go this far; dunno about mircea_popescu , but i'm presently connected to fleanode, trb, etc via tcp
mircea_popescu: of martian poop. i don't even live on mars.
mircea_popescu: and i didn't write the lifestory of rms, and so on. not everyone is c s lewis.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-13 20:25 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-13#1787759 <-- a-ha, mystery solved! Trilema has a <div class="post"> child to <span id="shash-...">, so that portion of the script selects it when the child is not a text node (the nodeType==3 bit). thetarpit DOM tree is flatter and doesn't wrap the content in this additional div. NB, will keep it mind should performance ever prove to be an issue.
mircea_popescu: im not fucking writing that. i don't like tcp enough.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hanbot any clue why the selection trick dun work on nicoleci 's blog ? was this not in the tree or ? << It isn't in the mpwp v-tree, no
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854293 << tcp is truly a worthless piece of crap. the more one looks at it, the more one doesn't want anyone involved with it anywhere near his shit. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-25#1854282 << i don't get it, 50 packets / hour is less than 1 per minute. this can't saturate anything. are you doing the burst in the sense of just dumping all the packets on the interface in 2 s and waiting the 3598 other s idle ? ☝︎☟︎