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phf: "oh your carefully annotated rip of late 80s punk tape of misc artists is all different artists. let me helpfully spawn a folder per track for you. a cover art scan? kek!"

phf: it's kind of funny that xmms got "replaced" with various itunes clones. i had at various points a very large partially pirated, partially salvaged, partially ripped collection of music and i'm convinced that there's nothing better than an fs level folder structure for managing music.

phf: also culture was gutted. it was acceptable to be an asshole a decade ago, now flaming someone on irc is equivalent of voting for trump.

phf: well, they don't realize anything changed. decade ago a newbie was younger version of you, today with some chance a newbie might still be a younger version of you, but much more likely it's a person who never knew you had to wash hands after bathroom there purely to turn everything that you've built to shit ☟︎

asciilifeform: why not 'die in a fire, scum' ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'to examine a granfalloon, remove the skin of a toy balloon' (tm) (r) (vonnegut)

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506567 << i've been going through that exercise with code recently, where the original developer abandoned the project and there's a new maintainer. the exercise is to see how much of it is gendered pronouns. not surprisingly in many cases for every 1 bug fixed, there's a dozen entirely inconsequential commits. file shuffles, renames, code removals, README copyright updates, that sort of stuff. it's like nobody's ☝︎

mircea_popescu: who in his right mind would close a hole in teh mit budget ? by all means, let them succeed and keep on succeeding, like they've won the war in the middle east.

mircea_popescu: you're wide open, in a security sense, because of this notion of cleanliness. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh what do i care what they do. the idea here is "o look, a scamcoin nobody holds managed to hardfork. this is about as relevant to bitcoin as guy soiling his pants and then washing them in the sink. I AM ROVER GER AND I THINK ITS TIME FOR BITCOIN TO! "

thestringpuller: but since you asked nicely: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4tr8ir/now_its_bitcoins_turn_eths_hard_fork_was_a/

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: again, if you ~mention~ a thing that is happening solely on reddit, it is just the same as linking

mircea_popescu: gotta locate a drawing on THIS USELESS INTERNET

mircea_popescu: bout a paragraph's worth, but still.

asciilifeform: what was it ? 'cut me a rod 10cm in length and 3 in diameter' ?

mircea_popescu: find me a computer programmer - a practicing, professional wwwtronicist, who will not barf at v.

asciilifeform: or machinist who will accept an essay in lieu of a drawing.

asciilifeform: or an architect who will agree to design a building ~wholly~ by putting words, sentences, to paper.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: find me a chemist - a practicing, professional organiker - who will not barf at this suggestion.

asciilifeform: there is a reason why most folks play chess with a board vs with telephone

asciilifeform: just as, close your eyes and describe your house to a stranger

mircea_popescu: but the point is : literacy is a skill not a blessing. does this architect know how to present the tree IN PROPERLY SORTED ORDER ?

asciilifeform: will mircea_popescu barf when a boojum turns up in the massive iupac rule set this imports ?

mircea_popescu: meanwhile : i want a tag to turn numbers into images ; which i arbitrarily call svg ; and i want a tag to turn strings into scientific notation (which does not JUST mean math, i want chemistry also.)

mircea_popescu: so i guess you can have a fat 8 lines of buttons in the mp-wp thing ; and i'll continue to type tags in directly.

asciilifeform: what i do have a problem with is 'stop using integral signs, spell it out'

asciilifeform: a concept which pointedly has no room for half-second delays after every keystroke

asciilifeform: was very much a crude and desperate hack. knuth suffered from idiot typesetters who 'what's one exponent more or less'

asciilifeform: arms of the Macintosh II. With the toolbox under AUX, all the windowy programs on the MacII will have a clear, understable, and universal user interface. With other alternatives, we face the very real prospect of each window (program) having a different user interface. That, friends, will be the death of UNIX. '

asciilifeform: 'Fri, 5 Feb 88... The astonishing baroqueness of X is the greatest threat to the general sucess of UNIX to have come along since System V hit the streets. If you try to give an X system to a real human being, not a computer hacker masquerading as a normal person, they will croak. If X doesn't instantly burn out their eyes and brain, causing them to throw their UNIX box out the nearest high window, it will drive them straight into the

a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 13:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing.

a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 13:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, google also has some sort of api where you GET it data and it sends back a graph. i recall bitbet using it.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506907 << that's not a repl; that's crapola, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506177 ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, google also has some sort of api where you GET it data and it sends back a graph. i recall bitbet using it. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 12:23 mircea_popescu: every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506889 << he wanted a repl that can shit graphics. which is something that to this very day is ~monopoly of a gargantuan closed commercial item, 'mathematica'. except that most 'i want a graphical repl' folks don't know this, and think that their imitations (which are roughly what glbse was to mpex) are the real thing. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 10:53 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't goo

asciilifeform: '“I vote Trump! free Internet”. Approximately 1.6 Gb's of data was exposed, with the report stating that 68.3% of users had their identities or other sensitive information exposed upon connection. Nearly 25% of the users browsed porn sites, while only a little over 5% used the connections to play Pokemon Go' << such brilliance!111

mircea_popescu: not to mention that you almost always also have, or can easily get a db, and after an import you can then sql repl.

mircea_popescu: every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ? ☟︎

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't good reasons for avoiding somet ☝︎☟︎

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506544 << i've a $10 vps, no complaints, i did the initial ipv4 probing off of that. didn't run any i/o etc benchmarks tho. any particular questions (i can run some benchmark if you want) ☝︎☟︎

Framedragger: but i'm not trying to be a big advocate of $x here, mind

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506547 << well, it's a cheap, dirty, and very quick way of getting repl with $whatever-data-of-interest, functions for graphical plotting, data analysis etc at your fingertips. it's very easy to experiment with data, *save everything and share stuff*. some papers are drafted this way afaik. for example: http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/urls/gist.github.com/wesm/4757075/raw/a72d3450ad4924d0e74fb57c9f62d1d895e ☝︎

deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The actual unemployment rate in the USA. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/20/the-actual-unemployment-rate-in-the-usa/

mircea_popescu: mats 40% tax on 10.5 dollars an hour 8 hours a day for a year's workdays

ben_vulpes: go, try to remove cpanel from a machine. ☟︎

asciilifeform: perhaps half of that number ever had so much a ~thought~ of being employed.

mircea_popescu: you'll get a shocking 40%ish which happens to also be correct.

asciilifeform: mats: one obvious example - a great many folks never figure in the score at all, because they are 'contractor'

mircea_popescu: nowadays "unemployed" = "number of people who jump through X Y and Z hoops more recently than 2 weeks ago and for not a longer total interval than 11 weeks , and also who aren't in any of these 58 excluded categories. such as "white"."

asciilifeform: for playing out a script helpfully written for them by their masters.

asciilifeform: it is a theatrical number, intended to goad would-be 'shoe bomb hopefuls' to the dead end of flying toys from toystore

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506693 << this is more a case of independent powerful career woman hear me roar being petrified someone cares enough to photograph her in the shower. ☝︎

mats: don't remember if i mentioned this, but a friend of mine that works at cisco says their calea team is expanding the scope of their work beyond what's in the letter of the law

asciilifeform: iraq not a nation either

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506666 << irish is a nation. american is not. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 00:21 mats: 1.8kg of c4 is a decent payload, yes, but again why not mortar?

asciilifeform: it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer ☟︎

asciilifeform: entertaining-stupid is a self-limiting thing. eventually it turns into simply stupid.

mats: haven't seen the nick in a few years, i tried my hand at bringing folks into the fold, didn't work out

asciilifeform: has he tried to sell you a death ray yet ?

mats: random guy in a chan i idle in

mats: not sure i agree. there's a massacre every day of the year now

a111: Logged on 2014-04-13 22:27 asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.

asciilifeform: if he had been found in afghan, would have been shot on the cheap, but instead was used as feedstock for the quite important 'we caught a domestic вредитель !1111' ritual.

asciilifeform: last i heard gitmo was a warehouse for inconvenient pow, rather than domestic whatevers.

mats: theres a lot more convicted artistes in us than cuba

asciilifeform: any more than a sea slug has.

mats: its fundamentally unknowable, sure, how many gru assets are in a clink, yes

asciilifeform: he, and a few hundred similar great artistes, are in the clinks.

mats: there are many domestic terrorists living out a sentence in a fed clink

asciilifeform: folks raised without a warm place to shit, much less trust fund, with ~correct picture of self-worth and ready to meet with allah at age 17, are a natural resource like any other. and it simply does not grow in north america.

mats: well i'm much enjoying going through the mental exercise of attacking a convoy

mats: they're usually located on top of the vehicle, so thats better than e.g. manhole cover but not by a lot

asciilifeform: or, in a city, a mine could spend years or decades buried in pavement, waiting for 'customer'

asciilifeform: picture a frag that, launched, spends a week or so hopping between treetops until it is told (via whatever custom radio) that your position is nearby, at which point it simply falls on you.

asciilifeform: incidentally you can detect a convoy of usg brass from miles away by the loud jammers.

asciilifeform: vendor's www: 'Boomerang pinpoints the shooter’s location of incoming small arms fire. Boomerang uses passive acoustic detection and computer-based signal processing to locate a shooter in less than a second.'

mats: pete_dushenski has a few things to learn about insurgency

mats: use the ol' taliban trick. emplace mortar tube, rig with dry ice mechanism that fires when it dissipates enough so you're not around to get hosed by arty fire guided by a 'Boomerang' fire locator

asciilifeform: if anyone genuinely cared, these would be a regular thing already.

asciilifeform: han those used by model aircraft enthusiasts. The plane climbs to about 200 metres and immediately begins to descend in the direction of the White House. A minute later a mighty explosion shakes the capital of the United States. The screaming of sirens on police cars, fire engines and ambulances fills the city.'

asciilifeform: 'On 12 August, at 0558 local time, a van comes to a halt on the vast empty parking lot in front of a supermarket in Washington. Three men open the doors of the van, roll out the fuselage of a light aircraft and attach its wings. A minute later its motor bursts into life. The plane takes off and disappears into the sky. It has no pilot. It is controlled by radio with the aid of very simple instruments, only slightly more complicated t

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: get thee to a toy store

mats: 1.8kg of c4 is a decent payload, yes, but again why not mortar? ☟︎

asciilifeform: has pete_dushenski flown even a toy quadcopter? any idea of the kind of 'ping time' you need to actually keep the thing upright ?

mats: will fall over in a reasonable wind

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: quadcopter that can lift so much as a frag, is rarity.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it makes for an exceedingly painful time doing anything for which there is not a ready button.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: America's love of Bollards is a British import.

mircea_popescu: anyway, garden hose not even a bad idea for the intended junkyard flatbottom. exactly for reason of "people throw out a mile of punctured once garden hose"

asciilifeform: they ~know~ that they are a blight, and that folks will try to deal with'em.

asciilifeform: or see pictures of a u.s. embassy build in past 20y, just about anywhere.

a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 23:14 pete_dushenski: next thing you know an autonomous car will drive a trunkfull of c4 into the white house

asciilifeform: but i for one have 0 interest in preserving the 'internet is a cheaper way to broadcast bbc' thing.

asciilifeform: today's internet - 'madness'. 1990 internet - nearly ~was~ a mesh.

mircea_popescu: it is not directly obvious, nor a foregone conclusion, if a reimplementation of today's telecom as mesh network would be less expensive in terms of used bw.

asciilifeform: aaaactually i send quite a few packetz a few km back'n'forth.