log☇︎
92800+ entries in 0.048s
BingoBoingo: Even then more apt metaphor for the operation would be a drain and fill
trinque: it's right next to the johnson rod
asciilifeform: possibly yer friend is thinking of refrigerator...
asciilifeform: does he think subj is a refrigerator ? or wat
douchebag: "i hope hes not referring to the fucking motor compressor"
douchebag: I'm talking to my buddy
asciilifeform: aha, in so far as i can tell they did a fairly clean job.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/trump-and-kim-make-a-deal-after-g7-treachery/ << Qntra - Trump And Kim Make A Deal After G7 Treachery
douchebag: asciilifeform: Are you referring to the motor compressor
mircea_popescu: pretty elegant way to go about it.
asciilifeform: so no trace of it on the prod chip.
asciilifeform: factory edition of the chip had a loader that overwrites self via spi
mircea_popescu: yes but how did they enable it ?
asciilifeform: test jig was simply a variant of the stock fw, and it gets rewritten by the 'prod' fw prior to retail sale.
mircea_popescu: ahaha, does it brick if you cut out the thermometer ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i tracked down their factory test jig src. it was in their shithub, 'removed' in october 19
asciilifeform: has thermometer, etc.
asciilifeform: and in so far as i can tell, thing's a pinball machine, designed to lock up on first sign of glitching
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly, i still suspect there's a clean way to flash-in via the factory pads. however...
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 15:46 asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 19:51 cnomad: well the most likely non-firmware approach would be finding a way to glitch/fault it
BingoBoingo: douchebag: Spiders and ticks aren't the only things that bite. Fumigate.
asciilifeform: recall, a cure that requires individual decapping of each patient, is worth ~0.
asciilifeform: the only on-chip secret that'd make a diff, is if there is an iron backdoor left in fpga
douchebag: BingoBoingo: Well, that's what the doctor told me
mircea_popescu: apparently we'll end up having to organize a defanging lab.
asciilifeform: douchebag: it isn't clear that heavy equipment is of any help. but if talented folx can be led to take an interest, by all means bring'em
BingoBoingo: <douchebag> It ended up being a spider bite << How sure are you about that? Prolly safest to tent the place and fumigate to be sure.
douchebag: A friend of mine is great w/ hardware hacking, reverse engineering, binary exploitation, firmware exploitation, ect.. He has a ton of equipment, if asciilifeform wants I could have him come in here.
mircea_popescu: cnomad, outsourcing, rather than buying capital goods.
mircea_popescu: let's not repeat the mistake that sunk america ; we don't even have an america to sink.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 19:44 cnomad: If someone popped this chip, I'd value it at _least_ 200k USD. we're talking about invasive analysis that requires equipment, weeks of non-stop work, and experience
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823995 << he's not even wrong ; tho honestly i'd much rather buy equipment than outsource. ☝︎
douchebag: Ahh they're arachnids
douchebag: Never knew that, I thought they were parasites
mircea_popescu: ticks are technically spiders, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: how's the ticks ?
douchebag: I've been around, just been busy attending to various issues irl
asciilifeform: ( and fwiw it's news to me, that any of them live here, nobody lives here if they can reasonably help it )
asciilifeform: you must have asciilifeform confused with somebody else, the dc mircea_popescu is three doors down
mircea_popescu: afaik alphabet all lives there, notwisthanding "tech corp" pretense.
mircea_popescu: well, you live in dc, send a few girls over to talk to the dweebs.
asciilifeform: it isn't even wholly about the machines, from asciilifeform's pov, asciilifeform would like to see the enemy bleed some, hear the laments , see the mules driven before him, etc ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nice. like in one hand, and piss in the other...
asciilifeform: but i'd like to see this one, cleared.
asciilifeform: i mean this is one possible approach, when encountering a mine field that the current republicans + slavegurlz can't clear, to say 'eh it dun need clearing'
mircea_popescu: and i don't see why that shouldn't suffice.
asciilifeform: afaik that's all.
mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, two things remain : republicans and slavegirls.
asciilifeform: ( i have no particular reason to think it, and more or less agree with mircea_popescu re why )
asciilifeform: right but hypothetical is that something remains when you take these away.
mircea_popescu: "i don't believe in factuality of anything besides usg" is the cheapest brand of shit to eat.
asciilifeform: ( so paradoxically a 1btc prize imho could attract moar players than 10, even )
asciilifeform: sometimes there is problem tho, where the prospective players don't believe in the factuality of the prize
mircea_popescu: and this is not anglotardation ; at some point a decade ago i actually offered a full scholarship. NOBODY claimed it.
mircea_popescu: recall how it never took less than a year for the fucktarded public to even catch on ?
asciilifeform: any longer, and the target is likely to move.
mircea_popescu: you know, i did this on trilema what ? a dozen times ? two ?
asciilifeform: i'd start with giving the players , say , six weeks.
mircea_popescu: and somehow, all these inept fucktards sit somewhere "online" on the world wide dweeb, and manage to not notice that "hey, there's some people somewhere , can burn 10s of ks of this shitty green crap just out of boredom. when's the last time our "respectable" "employer" ok'd a $100 expense account ?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: nao if phf or other l1 is willing to referee, we can hold the game. ( imho asciilifeform does not fit for role of referee. )
asciilifeform: i expect exactly same thing.
mircea_popescu: sure. but anyways, to circle back : i'll match. but i also expect exactly nothing to come of it.
asciilifeform: these were purchased, in exactly the manner contemplated.
asciilifeform: aaand they had orig schems, chip layouts, etc. for various 'embargo' products. some of which can still be seen today, e.g. those calcs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, and ? they ever won a confrontation with us navy ? they ever won without even needing to confront, like the chinese ?
mircea_popescu: if he's a tradesman. if he's a kid getting in the way of adults, nothing will EVER be worth anything. not ever, no matter what you do.
asciilifeform: i can't speak authoritatively, but according to thirdhand folx, they had the usg naval keys for 20 yrs straight
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, a tool is worth to the tradesman his life.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if "worked" then where are these things it worked for ?
mircea_popescu: recall the time anything came of rockchip ?
mircea_popescu: recall the time i bought that dork a ranked reddit account ? recall the time anything came of it ?
mircea_popescu: and you know, like shinohai -- if you prod him he'll do some movements, like electrocuted, disembodied frog legs. and if you don't he'll sit. and then wonder why it didn't work out and why he's being so badly persecuted.
asciilifeform: maybe not best example, i have nfi whether d00d has the spark of life or not
mircea_popescu: meanwhile nothing's happening, and time goes by, and trinque in the end had a point, no door's open forever.
mircea_popescu: my bet would be, he's working a shitty job in some shitty company and dreams of the day "things will happen".
asciilifeform: let me guess, auditing www crapola to make the rent ?
asciilifeform: whatcha doing these days, douchebag ?
asciilifeform: well, let's take douchebag
mircea_popescu: nevermind the referee. explain the incentive structure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypothetically it'd be a contest with very simple mechanical judgement of winner. but i can picture why no one might want to be the referee.
mircea_popescu: nothing. there's not going to be any work encouragement through payment, because the inca has expertly stuffed this channel full of nonsense on both ends. "Free money" from one "nothing to buy for it" from the other, the zek has no use and no need and consequently no conception of money at all.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802054 we've seen ; how about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-11#1724173 ? random moron trying to make a living out of "online marketing", gets paid more than he earned his entire working life (cash, not fucking "hopes" bs) and he... what ? ☝︎☝︎
cnomad: nothing to add atm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, consider what the previous bitcoins bought, shall we ?
asciilifeform: cnomad: i dun suppose you have anything to add to this thread ?
asciilifeform: well currently i'm out of ideas in re cr50; thought i'd try the 1 tool in the box i haven't unsheathed.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to cut this : either they do or they don't.
mircea_popescu: notion was you working to self-pacify yourself, really.
asciilifeform: but i can see the 'tits' angle.
asciilifeform: notion was to pay for completed work
mircea_popescu: they won't work ; and paying them is counter-productive : it encourages them to not work.
mircea_popescu: recall the days kakobrekla honestly imagined b-a actually has some sort of future ?
asciilifeform: 'hm, maybe today is when the martians answer'
mircea_popescu: where are they ? even fucking today ? a year later, and all the "make mp eat crow" one could conjure up, where is it ?
asciilifeform: what can i say, this is probably 100% true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm just saying, the thing you discuss, with "has costs", works a ~certain~ way. and if you recall how NOPENOPE NOPE!!! kanzure was wrt getting his inept bs in functional shape, you realise that they will NEVER do any work.
asciilifeform: this aside, they ~are~ fuckedinthehead in the manner mircea_popescu describes. just, it would not make much diff for us to have'em, in this case.
mircea_popescu: cuz im supposed to be just as retarded as any other usg-produced neet.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:14 zx2c4: i'd be wary of any 'deal' that's different from: 'i'm given money. you're given warm feelings of having helped the internet.'