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mod6: essentially, i've taken all the buildroot deps (typically collected from the wan), along with the trb deeds, placed them in a local dir with the build script (modified to suit this process) and launched.
mod6: So in test-land news; I've created a working totally off-line build for trb.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 17:29 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
thestringpuller: Framedragger: in regards to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521475 << I was trying to make a point in regards to Ver's idealism. Currently if 1993 AOL "mass adoption" occurs, the underbanked will inevitably be left out due to lacking infrastructure of the sovereign nature. Ver despite calling himself an anarchist is still willing to suck the USG dick, which helps no one. The fact he responded with "You found a new business opportun ☝︎
znort987: so IIUC this is a unalterable log of "things stated by GPG key owners" that are somehow shoehorned into the blockchain ? How does the shoehorning actually work ? Do it cost coinz ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:36 znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
znort987: like I said earlier, the fact I had never sent email that wasn't encrypted nor signed during the bitbet auction should have been a dead giveaway that it wasn't me talking.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : set up your own mailserver if you're going to use email as a security token.
asciilifeform: bankrupt in a week.
asciilifeform: one melamine biscuit at a time.
asciilifeform: one motherfucking broken hand tool at a time.
asciilifeform: and yes, 'let's make this part that takes 100kg of tension out of plastic' is a specifically chinese practice.
asciilifeform: bonus fact is that it crumbled ~while sitting on a shelf~
asciilifeform: meanwhile mircea_popescu , i have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/saw.jpg to match your http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-2.jpg .
mircea_popescu: "oh but i don't want to run a node" "fu"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521589 << it's ridiculous anyway, you're not supposed to use usg.scam as a fucking wallet in any case. withdraw funds to own wallet first, problem solved. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: really, time usg got a brian armstrong v2.0, this one's stale.
mircea_popescu: check out who suddenly grew a pair of balls! the perambulating dickhead "entrepreneur"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:12 phf: it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
phf: right, exactly, the sentiment was "these cars consistently kill the driver and a dozen of people on the roade, bicycles sound not half bad now"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:50 phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:47 phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
mats: danielpbarron: i don't follow this bit about taint only being a thing when used against usg
danielpbarron imagines the lulz one might farm from laundering bitcoin first through ethereum or a similar scam, as a step between coinbase and bitbet, to see if someone else gets stuck with the 'blacklisted' coinz
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah but I'm a sucker for making user's life easier/better, my bias I guess.
znort987: mats: nope. wallet used to send payouts has all kinds of addies in it. it has a lot of 1X* because when I rebuild the cold wallet I pumped 20K addies in it at once, and they all came out that way.
znort987: on the other hand, if we hide them behind - say - a user account, or hash, or encrypt them with a user public key, we remove transparency
danielpbarron: mats, there's also the point that bitcoin taint is only a thing when it can be used against the USG and other enemies of the republic
mats: my understanding of his point is that proof-of-solvency is a monkey patch that attempts to paper over defects in human relations with technical solutions
asciilifeform: znort987: what, then, is the issue? if you ran a winery that took btc, and found out that saudi arabia chops off noses of folks who were found with tx buying your wine, you would do what?
danielpbarron: znort987, that coinbase bans you should be seen as a feature rather than a bug
znort987: danielpbarron: understood but ... crypto-hard proof of solvency would be a very nice feature I think.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519996 << this is altogether unclear. this "the people have the right to trace the coins" is a) still nonsense, bitcoin is not traceable ; b) still nonsense, forget the "dao" bullshit ; c) still nonsense, you trust the operator or you don't trust the operator.
znort987: mats: yeah, agreed, but easier said than done. assembling payout tx's by hand from deposit addies exclusive to bet is a PITA
asciilifeform: mats: mircea_popescu will drill you a new arse for this contention (though i still do not grasp why) ☟︎
znort987: wrt bitbet solvency in general ... not an easy problem. would love to be able to provide a crypto-hard "proof-of-solvency", but ...
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. a bet was paid 72 hours late. RL got in the way. Unfortunate, but nothing to do with solvency.
znort987: second statement, likely not needed for this crowd bu has to be in the log: znort987@yahoo.com is a compromised email, please ignore anything coming from there unless gpg-signed
asciilifeform: znort987: iirc original rumblings came from a recent payout delay, co-inciding with bitfinex incident
znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...) ☟︎
mats: the o-noes-i'm-a-victim bit is played out.
mats: besides the ol' 'mp is a scammer!1', of course
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. and I sent him a private email (properly gpg'd) this morning. he said he had smelled something funny.
znort987: including a doxx threat if I didn't pay 5 BTC lol
phf: danielpbarron: jerkcity just came up in a conversation with some oldfags. it doesn't really translate and is part of a now dead culture. there's also http://yellow5.com/pokey/ and some others that i will probably go "oh man i remember thaaat one." if i were to see it. it's back when absurd non sequiturs typed in all caps was a thing, somehow it's part of hacker culture, which i think goes back to zippy the pinhead
znort987: should have been a hint.
znort987: thing is: I never, ever sent an email to either of these 3 that wasn't a) encrypted b) signed
ben_vulpes: what's all this about a bridge loan, znort987 ?
znort987: I gues that's a yes. will try
danielpbarron on edge of seat for a +v znort987 ..
phf: it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf ☟︎
phf: main reason i avoided bitcoin news for years, because it was altcoins mixed with a bunch of ~obviously~ idiotic ventures.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 17:29 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
asciilifeform: phf et al: did i ~and~ the log somehow get netsplit, and miss a thread, or is the hawala thing a continuation of pm or whatever
phf: but if the question is, why can't reddit produce hawala, the answer is so obvious it's kind of a "no shit". you need http://glyf.org/socdarw.jpg for hawala, which reddit doesn't have, can't produce and wouldn't recognize when given.
phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked ☟︎
phf: probably what thestringpuller means is that "we" (he's speaking to a bunch of reddit anons, so i assume it's purely rhetorical) don't have a wot based market.
phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls. ☟︎
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course.. ☝︎☝︎☟︎☟︎
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521460 << this to me seems to be a confusion between metaphysical and epistemological relativism. "what green is to me" is more to do with the latter, and cannot be used to support full-blown idealism (as in berkeley), or "there are multiple universes", or anything else which has specific *metaphysical* commitments. ☝︎
danielpbarron: i don't even care for the term universe; it's usually used as a replacement for God, personified and everything ala "the universe did X"
mircea_popescu: covertress also, your image depicts a collapsed eigenstate.
mircea_popescu: covertress traditionally theories are not believed or disbelieved ; that's more of a religious practice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, i get a pictogram response.
danielpbarron: multiverse is a contradiction in terms. a universe is already one everything. whatever you call a "multi"-verse is really the whole "uni"-verse redefined
asciilifeform: covertress: what does this question even mean? believe-in as a place to which you can walk in, via some yet-undiscovered magic door ?
covertress: mircea_popescu, do you believe in a multiverse?
asciilifeform: and holy shit, i broke a chinese centerpunch.
mircea_popescu: on't add me. Thanks for your corporation.. Your satisfaction is what we want. I will be expecting your reply. Just add and inbox me and I will help you to become a member of the great Illuminati.Thanks once again I am Bella Wilfred and your happiness is what we want."
mircea_popescu: on just add and message me..and if you are in Kenya, south Africa, Tanzania,India,Zambia, Ghana, don't add me... Because I can't help you. I can't help you if you are from those country. But if you are in the USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, NIGERIA,Nether land, Poland, and if you are in European and Asia country and so on you can also add me let's talk and I will help you be a member... Once again if you are not serious d
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "I am here to help you become rich and famous.. If you are not serious in becoming a member please don't even think of adding me or sending me a message because I won't be happy with you.but if you know you are serious and ready to become a member just add me now let's talk and let's get to know each other more better. If you wanna be famous like rihanna, jazzy, Eminem,rick Ross, Lil Wayne, bey once and so
mircea_popescu: nah, i'm a very mild hotness sort of guy.
covertress: try a trad red bell pepper next to a ghost chili. ;)
mircea_popescu: that's a thought.
mircea_popescu: ~the only thing i liked about it was that the meat was cut very thin and you could hold-cook it to a very fine degree.
mats: 'hot pot' is a thing, but i've not seen a chinese place with hot plates unless they're also korean fusion or something
mircea_popescu: granted, more of a yi thing.
covertress: Japanese do this also, with a central-table soup pot everyone shares.
mircea_popescu: this is everyfucking where heh. but sure, in the coupla blocks of ba that constitute the "china town", between a kitchy gate and two dragon statues.
mircea_popescu: there's a hot plate built in the table to cook your own meat
mircea_popescu: in any case it is much better to have food, kill you slowly and the quod me nutrit bridge than just repeat 餐飲 until you fall down and then be worshipped as a very wise man - hey, 5k yo wisdom "directly applicable" today.
mircea_popescu: anyway. a large part of the problem with "i think better in symbols" is exactly evident here : sure, you think you do, much like dude in bathtub feels he's going faster. nevertheless YOU CANT FUCKING EXPLAIN WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
mircea_popescu: that's hardly a problem anywhere.
asciilifeform: thing is, i know a bit about orcish 'ip theft' business, father spent most of his life doing just it.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, this is chinese restaurant. they don't do al a carte, they just bring you stuff.
asciilifeform: not to mention pulling in a multi-GB closed turdball x86 toolchain.
mircea_popescu: sure. it'll take a while to dissolve. maybe even... a coupla decades ?
mircea_popescu: it's a much larger and more complex task like that ; best get the small discrete tip sorted out first.
shinohai: it's a juggernaut for sure
mircea_popescu: (but yes, the fact that the dos did NOT put into obama's files the observation that the "labour" dispute in silicon valley was chinese driven test run is exactly the sort of thing that feeds my spite for the whole of usg as a "state". it's a state like a collection of mahjongg players is a state.)
mircea_popescu: these forces may well combine into a major trend.
asciilifeform: (in fact it was the example i gave in the original thread concerning it, re a 'final solution' to subj.)
asciilifeform: anyway metal fpga is great, i'll take ten right now if it's a dime.
mircea_popescu: look, it's not a value judgement on you. i'm interested in the process.
mircea_popescu: which is the problem with your clue - it is an anticlue, fed by delusional notions of design purism with no practical exposure whatsoever. in meta-world "nobody buys" metallization fpga for miner asic. in real world, it makes a billion dollars in sales over 5 years, ie, more than ~any "proper" chip class.
asciilifeform: re fpga, largest buyer (not a mega-seekrit) is usg.
asciilifeform: well i have the elementary clue re what device is used for, who buys, where it is a physico-economical win and where - not, etc.
mircea_popescu: whether you have or don't have a clue as to the economic process involved isn't related to my having or not having one. you can't simply run around turning any statement into any random converse, what sort of javascript is this!
mircea_popescu: the bar for having a clue is owning and operating foundry, not being one of the monkeys foundry may at its leisure employ
asciilifeform: thing is that i actually have a clue here.