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asciilifeform: (in ~unrelated noose, asciilifeform went looking to buy a box of proximity switches, for cnc box. they are sorta like thumb-sized metal detectors with 1 bit of output. and ALL OF the extant offers come with 'this is chinese turd, randomly fails.' and consider, these exist SOLELY to keep large, expensive iron from colliding with itself...)
mircea_popescu: and it even includes the "strong" female by scriptorial diktat, who otherwise behaves exactly like a little etsy bitch.
mircea_popescu: it's a good yarn, especially for the people nostalgic for the soviet 70s.
mircea_popescu: i recently watched fracture, which has all the might of a. hopkins and all around decent acting + good screenplay. except, of course, produced by the same people who keep pushing the same old stakhanovist retardation, as in eg http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:35/to:35#35
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 16:37 mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535099 << (probably on some superficial level) this reminded me of a film i recently watched at airport: "elena" (2011, zvyagintsev). it's a pretty good film (nothing extraordinary), i think, and i recommend it. i don't have a particular intuition but i suspect that elena's relationship to her husband may pique mircea_popescu's interest, and he'd have words about elena ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him. ☟︎
asciilifeform: lel, and i dun even yet have a bot!11111
mircea_popescu: lol! review the history. the bar in 2016 is "make a bot" ; the bar in 2014 was "get a gpg key". ☟︎
asciilifeform: and not simply a matter of 'no one tried hard enough to piss in our particular soup'
mircea_popescu: oh. well, the same way everything else is done, you match against the structure and increment a counter.
mircea_popescu: and to revisit <asciilifeform> fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost. : please watch the news sometime.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the "suffices" thing is all a matter of who's attacking you and why. keeping each other's balances in excel spreadsheets also "Suffices".
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes asciilifeform has a point in that penis makes for a fine way to make friends. the thing is that as i near 40, i'd dearly love some alternative method. this thing won't last forever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't grasp the need for a global 'humanity filter.' working wotronics implies that folks will assortively peer by degree of muppetry, and this imho suffices.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now there is a 'complicated' 'let's talk for five minutes'.
mircea_popescu: prior to the sedol debacle, there was a simple "let's play go" solution to human vs machine
asciilifeform: there is no risk of a mechanical mircea_popescutron.
asciilifeform: it works on a narrow and well-defined toy problem.
mircea_popescu: fuck that. i been there, done that, it's enough to run a smallish trown and no more.
asciilifeform: fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost.
asciilifeform: which does not have such a thing as 0-cost sybilmaking.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you feed your horse with your own hand, even if you don't have to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~entire point of wotronics is to eliminate 'field of worms as far as the eye can see in all directions' as a thing of this world.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1534898 << i guess that *would* then be a truly single point of failure, in terms of historical reliability, hm. not an easy problem ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about him.
mircea_popescu: the weakness of this scheme is exactly as described : fuzzing and the binary tree propagates a few through it all the way to you.
asciilifeform: spam raises the bar to 'i want to be a man', yes. but cannot raise it infinitely high.
mircea_popescu: your brain will pick patterns, and now i managed to get a few inside through fuzzing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 << re-read this, and think about it. if i want to attack you, i make literally a trillion names ; then i sort them in binary tries like that ; then i send them to chatter at you. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 14:04 mircea_popescu: similarily, the ACTUAL order of message, and the presence or absence of "j/k" messages in there can a) never be established beyond reasonable doubt and b) can only be usefully guessed by people. which is to say, well connected, intelligent nodes.
asciilifeform: i am speaking of 'mining' in the bitcoin sense, where a stranger can connect and shoot your difficulty to pluto and leave, etc.
mircea_popescu: "mechanized" is stupidified, generally. careful with mecanizing stuff for the sake of feeling like you just came out of a us college.
asciilifeform: with wot, it is, at best, a mechanized version of how banking worked pre-1700s or so.
asciilifeform: a la 'ripple' etc.
asciilifeform: without wot it devolves into a not very funny joke
asciilifeform: Framedragger: for some reason i cannot turn up the thread. but idea was something like a crackpot generalization of the idea of altcoins, i.e. every node can issue obligatory notes, if you will, in whatever qty, and their worth rests wholly on wot graph relations of that node, and strictly to his peers
mircea_popescu: apparently this is a phase.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i want to send penny wtihout bank" "bitcoin" "oh, without blockchaion, maybe little bank" "use little bank" "no, all these things have the disadvantage that they don't include my 3yo self in a central manner sufficiently"
PeterL: I was just trying to think of a way to standardize between multiple nodes
thestringpuller: yes lets put on our VR headset to send my bff 5 bucks for a beer :D
PeterL: well, yes, eulora could be one of the nodes in such a network
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:161/to:161#161 << try moving to a cold, desolate place. almost always fixes this.
asciilifeform: (and that it is a 'solution in search of problem')
asciilifeform: PeterL: we had a 'what if gossipd also had a multidimensional hawala thing' thread
asciilifeform: PeterL: we had a thread...
PeterL: so I was thinking about hawala/wotcoin, would it be reasonable to make some sort of client that eats RSA messages in a sort of [date amount unit RSAkeyIssuer FromRSAkey ToRSAKey] set protocol? each Issuer would have a DB with balances they see, and using WoT could connect multiple issuers?
thestringpuller: best way to move cash is to put it in lock box, and ship it with a tracking number to wherever you're gonna show up
PeterL: http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/06/cash-means-freedom-which-is-why-so-new -- Not really news, just a good summary of the current situation
asciilifeform: since when did they even have a net pipe.
Framedragger: my english is not sophisticated enough to mediate a genuine point of curiosity *without* any implied frustration whatsoever
Framedragger: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/221218755BB59C166BD88435267638C04F757D5630064CA207D228B4A7520F57 << phuctored through a known factor with e being prime - pretty neat
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a reason india amounted to ~nothing throughout its lengthy history.
mircea_popescu: iirc the sikh thing is a few centuries old.
mircea_popescu: "oh, because group A failed to repress groub B because they thought they had a deal with the government".
mircea_popescu: "the government" should intervene to make sure that calais looks like what group A would, rather than what group B would ? da fuck is this ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: they're savvy enough to know how alt-left media will frame them. "oh you don't want to date shaniqua because you don't like her as a person ? racist!"
BingoBoingo: trinque: You ought to know danielpbarron's leather couches have a buckskin finish
mircea_popescu: ahahaah these people are so cute, "“We are not racist and we are not Front National [the far-right party of Marine Le Pen]. We understand there is a humanitarian question here, that there are people living in misery, but we are living with incivility and a growing feeling of insecurity,” Jean-Pierre Clipet, of the FDSEA farmers’ union, said."
trinque: ye gods, danielpbarron's couch has a rat king
pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/oaF_NwVbIgo?t=1h2m37s << also related if you're a 'criminal alien' stateside. watch out come november.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-19 09:35 mircea_popescu: in a world created of tailored punishment and precision strikes, the incentive is for the bullshit you see.
pete_dushenski: that being said, a clearer explanation (if there is one) would make a solid trilema piece. there might not be a formula for this process in these early days of the republic, but i'm not one to underestimate mp's fertile mind.
pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:45/to:45#45 << why wouldn't you still be welcome ? i dunno if i've been skimming the logs too lightly but i don't recall a part where mp said that having bots/services go down/be replaced meant out-and-out excommunication. afaik mike_c, for example, is still welcome.
mod6: is there a way to search the logs from one of these bot?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> openbsd plot bickens with the inclusion of llvm: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=147294297501630&w=2 << Supposedly they wanted it for a while to make Graphix wurk, but who knows anymore how far it will be taken now that it made the CD cut
phf: trinque: i think that the timing is just overlapping, i'll have to grep for you wget's specifically, but the day is basically an endless stream of /log/2016-05-22&docid=nDn56WVkvV-86M&tbnid=wQqrCY5i08s2qM:&w=245&h=244&hl=en-US&source=sh/x/im and /log/?date=01-05-2014%27%20or%20(1,2)=(select*from(select%20name_const(CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114),1),name_const(CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114),1))a)%20--%20%27x%27=%27x
trinque: after it went away for a while I did a wget -R on the www as a backup, hoping the www wouldn't also disappear.
phf: hmm, just returned into civilization. so before leaving for my vacation i replaced the bot with trinque's reconnecting version, i haven't touched the server since, so obviously reconnecting worked. for 29th specifically i see a flooding spike of bogus http request, which presumably saturated the digitalocean connection, because ping/pongs were still going through, until only pings were being sent, until bot would timed out. then it
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : one of their latest episodes was sheer genius. they completely deconstructed the sjw + advertising bullshit. and their conclusion ? you know what it was ? WE WILL HAVE TO DO A BETTER SJW!!!!
asciilifeform: i have nfi, trinque , but 'read and understood the complete c stack' is a proposition on the scale of 'built undersea cities and no one noticed.'
mircea_popescu: or bake him a pie.
mircea_popescu: it's usually a safe bet.
mircea_popescu: whether they find a real root in between these or not is up in the air.
asciilifeform: again who the fuck needs a rustbucket that costs a dollar per metre to move??!
mircea_popescu: trinque i discussed all sorts of things ; including "buy a boat" about a month before the world was "shocked" by a certain bankruptcy. not that anyone notices, to my eternal amusement.
trinque: mircea_popescu: iirc you discussed this area denial strategy a year or two ago
mircea_popescu: this is a project roughly of the style that created the us bomber command after ww2 victory.
mod6: ya. but alas, not a different computational model; just new hardware. non-usg shit.
mircea_popescu: it's just that little meaningful can be said about any of them. and im sure not a complete lsit.
mod6: well, they probably don't need a new model of computation.
mircea_popescu: even if i could spend a million engineer hours a second, brought from another galaxy, i would not commit them to making me a sane compiler+kernel by friday.
trinque: asciilifeform: lemme restate that the "stuckness by sheer mass, age, etc" of gcc brings to mind a giant's dead body that, before it decomposes, maybe serves as shelter or warmth
mircea_popescu: but the worst part about all this, and the true reason i'm inert on the topic, is this : the situation is evidently unhinged, and changing much faster than the sort of process which is involved in making a software stack, compiler kernel et all.
trinque: coupla forth-a-trons about
mircea_popescu: for a definition of "works" you'd accept today
mircea_popescu: the problem here (as well as above, with llvm) is that without the strongarm to kill sipa / force obedience from hardware vendors etc, you will never be able to make a compiler that works
asciilifeform: do you own a copy of the standard? obtain one and see.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-05 20:28 mod6: not that I'm saying "i'm going to write a tmsr compiler this year."; however, seeing the need for this years ago, having one written by us that we can trust, is a worthwhile project. i've taken steps in this direction by doing some very much required reading on the subject.
asciilifeform: the last thread had a quite complete summary of the history.
mircea_popescu: evil is not actually a theological category.
asciilifeform: it is a work of evil, what.
trinque: asciilifeform: also not a damned argument! obviously I cannot reason about "work of evil"!
asciilifeform: llvm is a work of evil and i will actively avoid any project that rests on it.
mod6: not that I'm saying "i'm going to write a tmsr compiler this year."; however, seeing the need for this years ago, having one written by us that we can trust, is a worthwhile project. i've taken steps in this direction by doing some very much required reading on the subject. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well, "better". a comparator being defiend first would also help.
mod6: that seems more like a condemnation to me. they make a lot of things that "work". what of it?
trinque: and RMS is an ally? looks like a communist to me.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:35 asciilifeform: Framedragger: because it is a political instrument of the enemy.