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mircea_popescu: all these proteins are created, mostly in the liver, on the basis of blueprints, which are encoded genetically. which means that if your father didn't have anywhere a marker for smallpox, and he had you with a woman who also, you are immune to vaccination : it won't express anything.
mircea_popescu: (to explain the science involved : immunity works as a multi layered interplay of numerous proteins. some recognize specific bits of cells - hopefully, pathogens only, or else autoimmune response - some mark these recognitions, some others further mark, it's a whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: the indians didn't stand a chance. if you think vaccination works in aboriginal population you're a very special sort of lovely.
asciilifeform: there is a fundamental (and solidly boecktronically-supported and propagated) misconception about what cryptography even IS
mircea_popescu: a well.
shinohai: <asciilifeform> i cannot parse this document. it is output of a shannonizer. <<< kek
asciilifeform: i cannot parse this document. it is output of a shannonizer.
asciilifeform: 'Third, develop a capability to eliminate unwanted engineered genes from environments and restore systems to their genetic baseline state.' << wat.
asciilifeform: and a result of a weapon firing.
mircea_popescu: guess what ? it turned out 30 years of research and a whole discipline was... stillborn.
asciilifeform: if 1,000,000,001 do - it is a proper subject of epidemiology
mircea_popescu: back in like...2005 iirc ? 2008 maybe ? a guy used foia to get ALL the studies on antidepressant medicine. because you know, everyone had to file them with the fda.
asciilifeform: epidemiology is not canceled simply on account of inability to point finger to a physical agent.
asciilifeform: and cannot see how anyone with half a brain could conceive of this.
asciilifeform: i do not believe that it was a natural occurrence.
asciilifeform: witness the stillbirth of cryptography as a scientific discipline.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect i should prolly have said mole, but a well.
mircea_popescu: you ready to bring me a mol of "depression" gas ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every time some dude goes 'i could try and spend 20yr and maybe come up with a sane basis for crypto --- or there's that bottle of whisky. and it looks moar like a deal' hitler wins.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude gtfo. "hitler maintains". tell you what, if i fill a room with depressive thirty-yo-crisis chicks it's gonna be that "the room" has "an atmosphere". then if i kick them out and in the same atmosphere introduce happy-go-lucky nineteen year olds, suddenly the same room "has an atmosphere" of juvenile enthusiasm.
PeterL: Guy in prison uses a spoon to dig tunnel out, pops up in a playground, jumps up and down shouting "I'm free, I'm free." A little girl walks up to him and says "So what? I'm four!"
asciilifeform: the occasional prisoner does dig the proverbial spoon tunnel and makes a break for it.
mircea_popescu: odds are that most of those "susceptible to sanity" are more or less caught in a prison of their own making, elliot style. would you blame isla vista for the guy's issues ?
asciilifeform: 'people suck but for a few ppm'
mircea_popescu: ie, the dumb and deaf scion of a drunk and a whore.
mircea_popescu: the pretense that they may start any minute now is broadly speaking that - a pretense. who knows, maybe you send the advance fee.
mircea_popescu: "we control the vertical and the" "how come i can't have a fucking gallon of gas ?" "oh sorry about that... nothing we can do."
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, there is a population of folks susceptible to sanity. who, were they to show up here, by same happenstance, e.g., asciilifeform , did, would stand constructively on tmsr side.
mircea_popescu: it barely holds together as a thing, and adversarially only.
asciilifeform: this leads into the sacramental question of why 'control the vertical and the horizontal! gott mit uns!111' is a thing at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may find power analysis a useful tool in this discussion. what exactly CAN any of these do ?
mircea_popescu: verty until I saw an opportunity to be a member of the great Illuminati brotherhood and I took my chances and I have been a member for close to three years now and the higher you get the richer you become." whereas gavin started life pretending to be in charge of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the only difference being that khaleed started life pretending to, and here i quote, "I am one of the agents sent by the high priest to bring as many of those who are interested in becoming a member of the Illuminati to the great Illuminati temple,am a traditional herbalist healer and no problem without a solution to me but I was ones like you I could not evening feed my family what kind of life was that to live I lived in po
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 18:32 mircea_popescu: aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary).
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537491 << you can say somebody was instituted into a position when they are given a job ☝︎
asciilifeform: and there's a chair up YOUR arse
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like how a train wreck is just another train wreck, unless it's ~YOUR~ train wreck
mircea_popescu: gavin is ~a used cumsock. ☟︎
asciilifeform: there is certainly a wide 'gray zone' of buterinade between gavin and covertress .
mircea_popescu: then mp is all fucking annoyed, "wtf is with these idiots, they rip out some bit off culture, give it a name and strut around". doh. this is what the fucking language trains them to do in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure there is a cure. "oh foreign languages are hard." "well of fucking course they're are, you frittered away your 3-5yo interval of brain plasticity on learning adspeak."
asciilifeform: and resist any attempt at a cure.
asciilifeform: it is a brain-melter to the poor natives, most of'em never get past own initial 'la la can't hear you' reaction
asciilifeform: even orlov had a series re subj
mircea_popescu: and then ends up predictably stupid in a certain way. /me thinks "environment" is not properly said to be a large factor - other than poor genetics of being sheepfuckers in the first place - in the apparition of SUTO.
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol. it's "you've been destituted" though. because you know, there's a functioning of past participle
mircea_popescu: aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary). ☟︎
trinque: Framedragger: freenode rate limits messages; how am I going to ddos a bot
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:798/to:798#798 << yeah i have! it's really neat. have you? :) the larger part of the code is in trinque's *ircbot*, btw. logbot plugs in very nicely. but fact of the matter is, http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt would be orthogonal, i.e. the two can be devleoped independently, to a degree
trinque: but on the subj, I didn't put together a bot and the wot mechanics to like, run in there and make my name!
asciilifeform: phf: five bucks and a soldering iron buys you a very acceptable rng.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like they're going for a 'догоним и перегоним' tack re phuctor etc.
asciilifeform: ly as it allows global adversaries to exploit this vulnerability class on a large scale. However we think that any determined attacker can repeat our research and get the private keys from publicly available firmware with ease.'
asciilifeform: the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: and meanwhile, '"The Web-of-Trust is a geek's instrument", "Hard to explain" says Werner Koch'
asciilifeform: a while ago i briefly considered showing up at the 'pgp conference' but decided against. there is a difference between entomologist and those fellas who fuck wasp hives
mircea_popescu: sure, butthat's somewhat of a different kettle of fish.
asciilifeform: haven't yet sawed open a set of these.
asciilifeform: and also: 'The beauty of the headphone cable is just like the beauty of a tampon string: it is there to help you keep track of a very important item, and help you fish it out of whatever nook and cranny it might have fallen into.'
asciilifeform: 'By this time the smell of any other food gave me hunger pangs; I walked past a pizza place and nearly cried.'
Framedragger: ah damn i must have heard of him in a lithuanian context but i probably know nothing of him, even though evidently i should. /shame
mircea_popescu can readily see how the "african warrior" idi amin mentality would pay to fuck a lioness.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'd be unsurprised if there's a market in africa for lion prostitution.
mircea_popescu: for the curious, leucrota is what happens when a hyena fucks a lioness.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, if you don't want ground ammo just don't keep crates of ammo in your kitchen" "o ya ? how about i don't keep a grinder."
asciilifeform: a c-grinder will also, should its lid come off, happily continue to fly (yes) around the kitchen, grinding whatever ends up in its path, drywall, chairs, people, van goghs, stradivaris, crates of ammunition, dogs, dildos. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "well... here's a list." "fuck you."
asciilifeform: because it is a pretty obvious and sane thing.
mircea_popescu: young mps idea of what a compiler does was, "well it basically completely unwinds the code, so it's all flat, and then checks everything". then young mp saw the first "runtime error" and locked. then told teacher this isn't real programming and he's not interested.
asciilifeform: nor does c-machine enable restarts (how many programming folk even ~CONCEIVE~ of the notion of meaningfully RESUMING a crashed proggy ?)
mircea_popescu: needless to say, the only thing that occurs through osmosis is an unwarranted conviction that she knows how to do it, and a block towards examination.
mircea_popescu: it's a skill, she can learn that like anything else.
mircea_popescu: but yes, part of hte problem with extant c, as a language but more importantly as a paradigm and society, is that there's no way to build trust.
asciilifeform: and so even a simple c proggy by a competent pair of hands is a MASSIVE ball of check-and-fail-as-such-or-such-or-such...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537207 << mircea_popescu when the girls bring you a cup of tea, how would you like to ALWAYS have to sniff first to make sure that it is tea and not liquishit or piss ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: aand in other lelz, "I can't imagine any foreigner writing down 3 lines of non error text for my life of it. Greeks are not easy to be mastered and he is using them without a mistake. what is considered to be an exception even in between Greeks."
Framedragger: itch for over-machineering is a dangerous one
asciilifeform: more interestingly, https://archive.is/78NoN : 'Jund al Aqsa, an al Qaeda front group in Syria, has released a video showing one of its small drones dropping a bomb on Syrian regime forces in Hama province. The unguided bomb doesn’t appear to have been especially effective, but the video is noteworthy because it documents the Sunni jihadis’ further experimentation with explosives....'
asciilifeform: elsewhere, https://archive.is/oypYD << dude does 16y in american prison, let out, wants (yes) back in, they won't take him, so he shoots a few cops
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/pibt2 << in other noose. (stein is a crackpot pres candidate in usa)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> tell you what, if we're ever shipwrecked on a deserted island with hillary, we'll fuck hillary. << think she coughs now? wait until she chokes on all that dick!
asciilifeform: 'the problem is that neither Unix nor Windows _actually_ support either C or C++, but they manage to make them work, with downright incredible effort. if you look inside the libraries and see how a system call actually works and how much it differs from the C calling convention and usage, you'd be a fool not to revise your opinion. and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating syste
asciilifeform: because ain't nobody gonna read the WHOLE THING just to audit a stylemorphed copy.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 13:35 mircea_popescu: it is prolly best practice to have all serious V projects include a "conventions" file where to list all this. "1. tabs not spaces, bitch!" etc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537093 << we had a mega-thread. ☝︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: "Everything pertaining to Automake was nuked" - so nice. i used to doubt (or maybe i still do - in itself a healthy habit, perhaps) whether i didn't *get* something fundamental in modern s/w development. (maybe i still don't, of course). "shitloads of build targets and convoluted build chain? maybe there's no way more elegant? i must be a truly stupid person."
Framedragger: that does sound like a plan. total failover scenario #1 recorded, then
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if we're ever shipwrecked on a deserted island with hillary, we'll fuck hillary.
mircea_popescu: "this is the tyre store" "do you have tyres ?" "yes, here's an apple audio jack" "this is not a tyre" "allegedly."
mircea_popescu: it may be a SHIB, but that's all.
mircea_popescu: here's a stray thought : if i can't implement EC in a page on your cryptolib IT IS NOT A LIB!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the very notion of a cryptolib being cryptoimplementation shows stupid at the seams.
Framedragger: dude, a first-on-the-planet decent cryptolib would be nice
mircea_popescu really has little use for the shit currently shipping with c as a stdlib.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, asciilifeform : we'll end up with a v-stdlib won't we ? prolly starting with v-cryptolib as a nucleus.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 13:16 Framedragger: right. perhaps it's a matter of writing scripts to automate this stuff for V.
Framedragger: oh yeah that's a decent quote. quotebot?
mircea_popescu: you're a bad seed alfie.
asciilifeform: 'One could even sync via 'netcat' from a trusted phriend...'
mircea_popescu: i have a flag about it but it doesn't link to anything apparently so i dunno what i was thinking.